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00:43 < justanotheruser> Would you recommend any CNC machine under $500?
00:43 <@kanzure> no
00:44 <@kanzure> buy a cnc-converted bridgeport and don't worry about paying $500-$2000
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00:55 < justanotheruser> kanzure: what's the advantage?
00:58 <@kanzure> most of the cnc kits that i see for under $500 tend to be wood-cutting only
00:58 <@kanzure> unfortunately the only way to buy something that is able to cut metals is to pay for lots of mass at the moment
00:59 <@kanzure> unless you go with lasers, but then you might as well go with laser sintering anyway
00:59 <@kanzure> and those will cost more too in both cases (subtractive/sintering)
01:01 < justanotheruser> so bridgeports converted to cnc can cut metals is the advantage?
01:02 <@kanzure> well cnc should be an obvious advantage i would think?
01:02 <@kanzure> unless you want to go to punchcard
01:03 <@kanzure> oh wait
01:03 <@kanzure> yes metal cutting is useful
01:03 <@kanzure> i don't think that qtfireball thing is going to cut anything harder than cardboard
01:04 < justanotheruser> kanzure: How is a CNC machine measured? What are its characteristics (i.e. degrees of freedom, accuracy, materials it can cut, etc)
01:05 <@kanzure> poorly
01:05 <@kanzure> i'm going to sleep, so either wait to bug fenn or ask in #reprap or #linuxcnc
01:05 < justanotheruser> okay, thanks
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08:38 <@kanzure> i have been invited to speak at a conference in phnom penh, cambodia
08:38 <@kanzure> should i go?
08:40 < bkero> kanzure: FOSS-Asia?
08:40 < bkero> kanzure: Phnom Penh is a great city, you should go!
08:41 < bkero> There's a local hackerspace there with a bunch of cool expats doing interesting projects.
08:47 < JayDugger> Yes.
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08:48 < JayDugger> Rather, "Yes, I suggest you accept the invitation and speak at the conference."
08:56 < entelechios> yea i got a buddy who was invited to there too
08:57 < entelechios> to work on some kinda renewable energy project
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10:55 < ParahSailin> what conference?
10:56 <@kanzure> bkero guessed it, foss-asia
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11:44 < bkero> kanzure: I might be speaking there as well
11:44 < bkero> Mozilla's rep coordinator invited me
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19:38 < frege> paperbot: http://www.news.wisc.edu/22370
19:38 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/599c235bf2222901b53e88e25bd458f0.txt
19:39 < frege> paperbot needs some nootropics
19:42 <@kanzure> frege: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues
19:42 <@kanzure> frege: are you fmap?
19:42 < frege> kanzure: no I'm not
19:44 <@kanzure> alright
19:47 < frege> but I definitely want to be someone else tonight so perhaps we can role play
19:48 < frege> kanzure: do you wanna work on each issue tonight and get it done?
19:48 < frege> people need this
19:48 < frege> I know python better than my mom's breast
19:48 <@kanzure> most of the improvements that need to be done on paperbot are related to deleting terrible code
19:49 < frege> kanzure: I had a look at that code a couple of weeks ago; it's fucked
19:49 <@kanzure> yes, i know
19:49 <@kanzure> i'm fine with deleting it
19:50 < frege> kanzure: if you got all the accounts and shit; I can rewrite it tonight
19:50 <@kanzure> paperbot runs exactly as it is shown there without accounts
19:50 < frege> just need to know about the apis or how to login and grab the article from those accounts; if you have a list of links for that and all the accounts then it's easy
19:50 < frege> srsly?
19:51 <@kanzure> publisher html parsing happens mostly through zotero translation-server and uses the zotero translators (javascript)
19:51 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot#README
19:51 < frege> why do you use zotero translation?
19:52 <@kanzure> because they have 8 active developers and 1000s of users that keep their translators.git repository updated against publisher website changes
19:52 < frege> would you just explain to me in high level what this bot does
19:52 < frege> ah I see to zotero translator grabs the links
19:52 <@kanzure> it asks zotero translation-server to parse the publisher's page for an article and then based on translation-server's response it gets the pdfurl key and then fetches that document
19:53 < frege> pdfurl key? what do you mean by key?
19:54 <@kanzure> zotero translation-server responses are just json dictionaries with keys and values
19:54 < frege> oh cool that's easy; thanks it's not xml
19:54 <@kanzure> these json blobs include other metadata about the paper like authors and title. and also the pdf url.
19:55 < frege> right
19:55 < frege> would you link me an example
19:55 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/zotero-translator-server.output.json
19:55 < ParahSailin> bkero: what do you do at mozilla
19:56 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: boot to gecko
19:56 < bkero> ParahSailin, kanzure: I manage all the version control servers (job title says BOFH/Sysadmin), I contribute to FirefoxOS, and I evangelize an open and universal internet.
19:56 < frege> kanzure: and what was the query to get that?
19:59 < frege> kanzure: do you wanna work on it or you don't care, if you want we can get it done tonight
20:01 <@kanzure> zotero translation-server makes it pretty easy to figure out what query to send
20:01 <@kanzure> you can also look at the paperbot source code
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20:03 <@kanzure> that file is from 9 months ago or something so i don't remember the exact incantation at the moment
20:03 < frege> okay which file?
20:03 <@kanzure> uh, the one we're talking about try to keep up
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20:06 < frege> kanzure: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py ?
20:07 <@kanzure> no, we were talking about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/zotero-translator-server.output.json
20:08 <@kanzure> you asked me "and what was the query to get that?"
20:08 <@kanzure> so i said "that file is from 9 months ago or something so i don't remember the exact incantation at the moment"
20:09 < frege> kanzure: gotcha
20:09 <@kanzure> papers.py has the vast majority of code worth deleting
20:09 < frege> but it should be in the code somewhere right?
20:10 <@kanzure> what should?
20:10 < frege> kanzure: what's this? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/
20:10 <@kanzure> files
20:11 < frege> kanzure: what files/
20:11 < frege> ?
20:12 < frege> pdf_url = "http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/" + document_id + ".pdf?acceptTC=true"
20:12 < frege> where do you get the document_id from?
20:13 < frege> that code isn't maintainable
20:13 <@kanzure> document_id is extracted from the pdfurl that zotero-translator returns when asked about a certain jstor paper's page
20:13 <@kanzure> yes i agree it's not maintainable that's why i told you to delete it
20:13 <@kanzure> it's almost as if i say things intentionally
20:14 < frege> kanzure: yeah but I need to know the highlevel logic of getting pdfs inorder to write something that's more generalized and rule based
20:14 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/papermonk
20:16 <@kanzure> papermonk is a rewrite of paperbot and zotero that uses event streams and pipes for streaming html parsing and streaming pdf pirating. pdfparanoia isn't implemented yet..
20:17 <@kanzure> given a url to a publisher's page describing a paper the output should be a link to the pdf and possibly extra metadata. that's the only "high level logic".
20:18 <@kanzure> where the pdf gets stored is completely irrelevant and meaningless to me
20:21 < frege> kanzure: okay but that works only for free papers right?
20:21 <@kanzure> no
20:22 < frege> how do you get the ones that aren't free from a publisher?
20:22 < frege> such as IEEE
20:22 <@kanzure> please don't ask me that
20:23 < frege> what do you mean?
20:23 <@kanzure> you are welcome to make wild guesses... but it should be obvious.
20:23 < frege> you look in torrent? do google inurl:pdf?
20:23 <@kanzure> it took eudoxia 3 hours to guess and it took ParahSailin like 5 seconds
20:23 <@kanzure> no
20:23 < ParahSailin> what did?
20:24 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: 20:22 < frege> how do you get the ones that aren't free from a publisher?
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20:24 < frege> kanzure: http://libgen.org ?
20:25 <@kanzure> no, although paperbot is supposed to upload to library genesis
20:25 < frege> sci-hub.org?
20:25 <@kanzure> haha, definitely not
20:25 <@kanzure> well, scihub is used as a fallback
20:25 <@kanzure> but, no
20:25 < frege> libgen lets you get the db
20:25 < frege> and it has papers
20:25 <@kanzure> libgen has papers because paperbot puts them there
20:25 < frege> so tell me
20:26 < frege> ah gotcha
20:26 < frege> well I guess you need to hack those publishers to get that
20:26 <@kanzure> nope
20:26 < frege> unless they put it in a public place
20:29 < frege> kanzure: can't you just tell me?
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20:31 <@kanzure> sorry but if i tell you, paperbot will poof out of existence
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20:33 < juri_> paperbot is awesome.
20:34 < frege> well then I don't know how to help
20:41 < ParahSailin> theres plenty of work that paperbot could use
20:45 <@nmz787> yashgaroth: hey you know anyone hiring a person with an associates? a local guy is moving down there
20:45 <@nmz787> to sd
20:45 <@nmz787> planning to hang out in a hostel
20:45 < yashgaroth> will he accept dishwashing work? science dishes
20:46 < yashgaroth> also, no not really
20:47 < yashgaroth> there are plenty of people here with BSs in bio or chem that fill vials in a cleanroom all day, sad to say
20:48 < ParahSailin> sucks to be a wetlabber
20:49 < yashgaroth> well I mean most of them aren't good at bio/chem, but an AS won't get you many places here except fill/finish or clean dishes...maybe you get lucky and make buffers
20:56 <@kanzure> http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/07/health/cohen-cancer-study/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
20:56 <@kanzure> who do we know that was reprogramming t cells? was that derya?
20:57 <@kanzure> https://medschool.mc.vanderbilt.edu/facultydata/php_files/part_dept/show_faculty/show_partigp.php?id3=915
20:59 <@kanzure> let's see.. http://www.crunchbase.com/company/juno-therapeutics raised $120M
21:02 <@kanzure> blah i hate that this is the only link i can find, but here is something derya wrote about t-cell reprogramming http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/02/02/re-engineering-human-immune-system/
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22:43 <@kanzure> laser projection keyboard http://www.robopeak.com/blog/?p=282
22:44 <@kanzure> but no details about characters per second or how many keys it supports..
22:44 <@kanzure> "up to 10 keys" fuck that
22:44 <@kanzure> https://github.com/robopeak/laserkbd
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23:19 < entelechios> lol yea those have been around since i've been a kid
23:19 < entelechios> at least 10yrs
23:19 < entelechios> they've always been a gimmicky yet imperfect thing
23:20 < entelechios> as far as i know
23:20 < entelechios> guess the question is less how to build one and how to improve on one
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23:23 < JayDugger> I'll say it: Fingerworks, ebay.
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