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http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8be8fda79400cb30db502c2c9a14f150.txt 00:24 < Dantespeaks> ...paperbitch... 00:30 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@184.75.214.163] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:31 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@184.75.214.163] has quit [Changing host] 00:31 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:32 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@ip70-176-210-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:32 -!- justanotheruser1 is now known as justanotheruser 00:38 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.139.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:56 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-126-118.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:59 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@166.181.83.11] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:05 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@166.181.83.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:13 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-126-118.hlrn.qwest.net] 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[lol@host86-158-73-232.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:30 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@206-248-156-17.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 14:34 -!- Zhwazi [~Zhwazi@copyfree/contributor/Zhwazi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:50 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@206-248-156-17.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:57 -!- phillyj [~chatzilla@pool-108-16-174-221.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:58 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@125-136-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:18 < FourFire> Hello 15:18 < FourFire> Dantespeaks, are you here 15:20 < Dantespeaks> I am 15:20 < Dantespeaks> What up 15:20 < FourFire> Ok, hi 15:21 < Dantespeaks> hullo... 15:21 < Dantespeaks> why do you summon me on the channel. 15:21 < FourFire> I would just like to say that I was really sleep deprived last time we spoke and 15:21 < FourFire> I probably didn't explain things very well 15:21 < FourFire> infact I probably said things which seemed to mean completely wrong things 15:21 < Dantespeaks> oh. I thought you left in frustration of realizing my ignorance. 15:22 < FourFire> I'd just like to fix up any misconceptions I might have accidently fostered 15:22 < Dantespeaks> It is quite alright, i'm a good sport. 15:22 < FourFire> Ok, so the human brain right? 15:22 < FourFire> it's got a blue print 15:22 < Dantespeaks> If you would like to redeem yourself, it is to yours, not to convince me. 15:22 < Dantespeaks> Surely. 15:22 < FourFire> in fact your whole human body has a blue print 15:23 < FourFire> and it's inside every cell of your body 15:23 < FourFire> this is the DNA 15:23 < FourFire> now, have you ever seen a glass with different layers of water and oil and things in it? 15:23 < FourFire> or perhaps a sealed vessel 15:25 < Dantespeaks> Yes I realize this, what I meant last time was, that, could there be terms/equations in physics (not in DNA) that could restore at least some portions of a person's memory from just a single cell? Even though the brain is separate from the entire coding of the body. I'm talking in strictly something like thermodynamics/mathematical physical terms, that, could A.I be able to calculate- such a pattern 15:25 < FourFire> now the DNA says what the shape of the glass is, how thick the sides are, the opacity of the bottom and sides, how tall and wide it is, and the density of the material it consists of and so on 15:25 < Dantespeaks> is there is anything to trace down to. 15:25 < FourFire> but Memories, are like patterns of the liquid contained within the glass 15:25 < FourFire> so that's exactly what I meant when I said that "brain structures don't exist in DNA" 15:26 < Dantespeaks> right, i understand you. 15:26 < FourFire> the closest thing to that are instincts, and epigenetics 15:26 < FourFire> instincts are things all people share 15:26 < Dantespeaks> yup... 15:26 < FourFire> like young babies can all swim 15:26 < FourFire> but later they forget how to and have to learn it for real 15:27 < FourFire> anyway, remembering that you've swum before is a distinct memory 15:27 < FourFire> and memories are stored insdie our brains through networks of connections, and variable strength of connections and I don't know much more about it 15:27 < phillyj> FourFire: by brain structures not being in DNA, you are referring to processes and not physical structures? 15:27 < FourFire> which is why I said "patterns" before 15:28 < FourFire> phillyj, nope, I'm referring to the way I currently understand how (long term) memories are stored 15:29 < FourFire> it's like the brain is always being reprogrammed, by physically changing it's shape every time we get a new memory, or even recall old memories 15:29 < FourFire> it's pathways for the signal stuff to travel through 15:30 < FourFire> (old memories become altered as they are accessed, which is part of the reason eyewitnesses are unreliable, and you need lots of people agreeing on the same event in order to be sure it actually happened 15:31 < phillyj> well, DNA determines the physical development of the brain and maybe you can extrapolate that to say that DNA can affect the neural processes, including the environmental interactions 15:33 < FourFire> of course everything is based of the blueprint given by the DNA 15:33 < FourFire> a glass of a given height can only contain so much liquid 15:33 < FourFire> and if the walls are too thin it might break before it is filled completely 15:34 < FourFire> but every life experience is different, and the memories and patterns of programming are all slightly (or majorly) different 15:34 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [] 15:34 < FourFire> depending on the inputs, the senses, expereinces, dreams, memories 15:35 < FourFire> it's nature and nurture occurring simultaneously to create a person, and it's an ongoing process every time we learn new things, we become, verly slightly a different person 15:36 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@125-136-212.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 15:36 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@125-136-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:40 < FourFire> is there bot service in this channel? 15:40 < FourFire> later/message/note something? 15:41 < kanzure> no 15:43 < FourFire> well, kanzure I hope that cleared things up 15:57 < kanzure> i want my money back 15:57 < phillyj> what was the original topic FourFire 15:57 < phillyj> ? 15:58 -!- nsh [lol@host86-158-73-232.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:58 -!- nsh [lol@host86-158-73-232.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:58 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:09 < Dantespeaks> how do i make some money any way... 16:09 < Dantespeaks> without getting a labour job. 16:09 < Dantespeaks> life just won't let me study in peace quietly. always running for cash... 16:09 < heath> software development 16:10 < Dantespeaks> trying to learn some programming here, and there's no time for it hardly. 16:11 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:14 < FourFire> Dantespeaks, I'm afraid I don't know 16:14 < FourFire> I have two labour jobs 16:17 < Dantespeaks> that sucks. i shudder to think going outside in this freezing snow storm in ontario. 16:18 < Dantespeaks> well, guess i'll be stuck without money for a while... 16:18 < Dantespeaks> I gotta patent my gun design somehow... 16:19 < chris_99> gun design? 16:20 < Dantespeaks> yes... 16:20 < Dantespeaks> have no idea how to penetrate that market though. 16:20 < Dantespeaks> the creator of AK-47 recently died... 16:20 < juri_> now thats someone who knew how to penetrate a market. 16:20 < Dantespeaks> he's made hundreds of millions before death. 16:21 < juri_> patent? DIAF. 16:21 < chris_99> indeed he did, i didn't think he made much from it 16:21 < Dantespeaks> not worried about design or manufacture, but rather the process of commercialization. 16:21 < Dantespeaks> hardly much info on the net. i should research on it. 16:22 < Dantespeaks> I think people still would prefer AK-47 over some of the newer weapons... 16:22 < phillyj> Dantespeaks: go sell ideas 16:22 < Dantespeaks> phillyj: usually a prototype must be made in order to sell (or gather) funding. 16:23 < Dantespeaks> and even after, a patent, or licensing. 16:23 < Dantespeaks> protecting one's assets. 16:23 < Dantespeaks> if i wasn't so lazy i'd be a multi-millionaire by now :{ 16:24 < Dantespeaks> haha nah. 16:24 < Dantespeaks> I'm assuming a lot of people here live off by loans/funding... 16:25 < Dantespeaks> anyways, back to my stuff.... 16:33 -!- drewbug [~Adium@fsf/member/drewbug] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:34 < drewbug> paperbot, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=4277708 16:34 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FTASC.2007.898258 16:35 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.169.45] has quit [Changing host] 16:35 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 < drewbug> paperbot, http://www.researchgate.net/publication/224717353_Tuned_SQUID-MRI_System_With_Resonant_Frequency_Adjustment 16:35 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/32b5fb896bccfd31da071140a6499eae.txt 16:36 -!- phillyj [~chatzilla@pool-108-16-174-221.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131206152142]] 16:37 < drewbug> paperbot, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=4277708 16:37 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FTASC.2007.898258 16:37 < drewbug> Darn. 16:37 < drewbug> Anyone have magical access to these sorts of things? 16:41 -!- drewbug1 [~Adium@pool-96-249-154-250.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:41 < drewbug1> Internet failure. 16:42 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- drewbug [~Adium@fsf/member/drewbug] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:51 < drewbug1> How feasible is building an MRI "at home"? 16:51 < juri_> isn't the neodynium prohibitively expensive? 16:52 < juri_> or do they build the thing entirely out of electromagnets? 16:52 < chris_99> i believe they're helium cooled, and use large Teslas, 16:52 < chris_99> so pretty hard 16:53 < drewbug1> https://web.archive.org/web/20070702052147/http://www.abdn.ac.uk/ims/imaging/research/novel/ultralow.php 16:53 < drewbug1> That looks like it might help. 16:53 < drewbug1> I'm still not sure yet, though. 16:53 < gradstudentbot> The autoclave smells really good. 17:06 -!- entelechios [~elysium@190.184.196.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:15 -!- rayston 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