--- Log opened Sat Jan 18 00:00:40 2014 00:06 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:15 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:27 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:37 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:40 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:58 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:58 < juri_> does anyone here have a dwavesys.com account i can use? 00:59 < gradstudentbot> Can I get Saturday off? 01:01 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:05 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:09 < JayDugger> No and no. 01:13 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:59 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:00 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:00 -!- venturecommunist [~ventureco@unaffiliated/venturecommunist] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:02 -!- sivoais_ [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:03 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07 < aelinoea> http://psychedelicfrontier.com/2014/01/maps-completes-first-new-therapeutic-lsd-study-in-40-years/ 02:25 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@117.254.218.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:39 -!- venturecommunist [~ventureco@unaffiliated/venturecommunist] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:56 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:20 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@2001:67c:2190:c0de:8187:7a1f:6f79:327f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 03:50 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:54 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Client Quit] 04:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02 -!- oblique [~oblique@unaffiliated/oblique] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-158-75-73.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:18 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@117.254.218.33] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:29 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- pads is now known as Guest69545 04:33 -!- Guest97794 [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:50 -!- sivoais_ [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:50 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:55 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:00 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@111-98-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:20 < FourFire> http://www.enn.com/energy/article/46872 06:21 < FourFire> this was a surprise, I admit I didn't think this was going to happen for another few years 06:23 < aelinoea> woot! this is good news! 06:23 < aelinoea> soon there is no excuse for shitty energy 06:24 < aelinoea> and the assholes running the whole oil thing start to sweat out of the stress :--D 06:24 < aelinoea> hopefully 06:24 < aelinoea> would be fucking amazing to live in a ecovillage with high tech, combining these clean technologies in a nice way without all the hippie pseudospirituality dogmas 06:25 < aelinoea> it is truly gross how much resistance there is for change for the better 06:26 < aelinoea> makes me pissed off just thinking about it 06:26 < aelinoea> "hey why not live in peace without any work as we can already automatize most of the things here" "NO WE WANT WAR AND NASCAR MOTHERFUCKER" 06:29 < JayDugger> Wow...does the article say what prices they pay? 06:55 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@184.75.213.66] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:02 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06 < FourFire> aelinoea, resistance is based partially on fear of the unknown, and lack of proof for such a system working, ever 07:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 07:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 < FourFire> "You don't really want to take the leap of faith from your sinking ship if all you see is cold, water beneath you" 07:14 < superkuh> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=6565879 07:14 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/89a4af7859d6de039cf945e3067c548.pdf 07:15 < aelinoea> FourFire: yes and ridiculous deathgrip on control because of accumulated petrodollar 07:16 < FourFire> oh yeah, and there's also a minority which has political power and wants to keep it 07:18 < superkuh> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=6018264 07:22 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FTAP.2011.2167916 07:24 < aelinoea> yeah that too, the rich has gotten stinking rich >_< 07:24 < aelinoea> mainly because of exploitation and war+petrol income me feels 07:24 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:24 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 07:24 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:25 < aelinoea> such a nice thing that solar and wind are getting cheaper all the time =) 07:25 < aelinoea> plus 3D printing is democratizing the means of production 07:26 < FourFire> aelinoea, yeah, the rich; people like Bill Gates 07:26 < aelinoea> and guy is either really fucking evil or truly an impotent 07:27 < aelinoea> that* 07:27 < FourFire> yeah... I'm going to say a few more sentences, and then /ignore you 07:28 < FourFire> Check the statistics, the truth for yourself instead of just blindly agreeing with your current in crowd's memetic BS 07:29 < aelinoea> :D 07:29 < FourFire> People who are rich are either inheritants of wealth and/or wealth gathering systems, or they were intelligent, hardworking, and determined enough to actually build those systems for themselves, thus leveraging everyone else's convenience to their own benefit 07:29 < aelinoea> you haven't seen the stats saying that only few percent of worlds population has majority of worlds health have you? 07:29 < aelinoea> yes that is what I mean, bill gates never built a good system 07:29 < FourFire> Yes I have, and now we can argue about that brought about the situation 07:30 < aelinoea> it is a shitty one, thus he is either evil or impotent 07:30 < FourFire> ... 07:30 < aelinoea> as he is not able to pull anything better out of his head 07:30 < aelinoea> like... umm linux? 07:30 < FourFire> You must be using a computer right now... 07:30 < aelinoea> which is something that majority of worlds supercomputers work with XD 07:30 < aelinoea> nowdays 07:30 < aelinoea> yes like bill was the only one ever that thought about computers? XD 07:30 < FourFire> you may or may not be running Linux or Apple's OS on it 07:30 < aelinoea> yes I am running linux 07:31 < aelinoea> obviously, I changed after got pissed off at windows being such a buggy piece of shit os 07:31 < FourFire> but the fact is, that without whatever bill gates' work, that computer would not exist for you to run your pet distro on 07:31 < aelinoea> and so did majority of the admins running all the super computers of the world... 07:31 < aelinoea> hahaha yeah right 07:31 < aelinoea> but why did he not improve but decided to stay on his shitty path? 07:31 < aelinoea> can you pull an answer to that 07:31 < aelinoea> mr I am so intelligent 07:32 < FourFire> consumers purchases subsidize things like supercomputers 07:32 < FourFire> the things would not exist without a vast array of standardized components and technology standards to choose from 07:32 < FourFire> for cheap 07:32 < FourFire> at the start, any computer was a supercomputer, and they sucked 07:32 < aelinoea> sorry, you must explain things more simple as I am not a native english speaker 07:33 < FourFire> the existence of windows as an operating system let normal people buy "PCs" 07:33 < FourFire> when lots of people bought PCs then economies of scale kicked in 07:33 < aelinoea> sorry, you are not making any sense to me 07:34 < FourFire> and mass production of things which computers are made of became relatively cheap to produce and buy 07:34 < aelinoea> it is pointless to keep discussing if you are not able to write to a person which is not a native speaker of the same language 07:34 < gradstudentbot> I have to order new primers. 07:34 < FourFire> it is pointless for you to start a discussion with a person in a language which you are incompetent in 07:35 < FourFire> now, let me try to answer your question in simple words 07:35 < aelinoea> and how many languages do you speak? 07:35 < FourFire> Using: http://splasho.com/upgoer5/ 07:35 < FourFire> three 07:35 < aelinoea> and you feel rather nice when someone fluent in them says you suck at speaking to them? 07:35 < FourFire> though I'm hoping I will be able to speak four soon 07:36 < FourFire> nope, but i didn't claim you were nonfluent in english, you did 07:36 < aelinoea> you understand that arguing does not work like that, if you keep making low blows you come off as an idiot who has nothing better to say 07:36 < FourFire> I think your writing in the english language is passible, and thus I am expectant that you can understand what I am writing to you 07:37 < aelinoea> and as a fluent speaker I presume, you should be able to speak it simple too 07:37 < aelinoea> otherwise you are not that good communicator 07:37 < aelinoea> in communicating 07:37 < FourFire> yes, I'm not a very good communicator, but I didn't claim to be in the first place. 07:38 < aelinoea> yes, I was trying to point that out for you earlier by saying I did not understand what you were saying 07:40 < FourFire> ok, lets go back to the start, forget about bill gates, forget about super computers for now 07:41 < FourFire> you said:"yeah that too, the rich has gotten stinking rich >_<" " mainly because of exploitation and war+petrol income me feels" 07:41 < FourFire> I then pointed at the example of the currently richest person on the planet 07:42 < FourFire> I then said " People who are rich are either inheritants of wealth and/or wealth gathering systems, or they were intelligent, hardworking, and determined enough to actually build those systems for themselves, thus leveraging everyone else's convenience to their own benefit" 07:42 < aelinoea> then I pointed out that windows sucks as an operating system and that there are better ones out there and but they did not make anyone that rich, why is that? well because they work so well that no need for any tech support or anything like that 07:42 < FourFire> this is the only thing I have claimed, and the only thing I need to back up, you're trying to put claims on me, to divert the argument into something against my character, and that is something i disagree with 07:43 < aelinoea> and those guys probably worked harder than bill and his crew to perfect that os 07:43 < FourFire> I actually agree, windows does suck for certain applications 07:43 < FourFire> and it could be a lot better 07:43 < FourFire> I'm currently running Linux myself, actually 07:43 < aelinoea> did they switch into windows in the ISS? no, they use linux 07:43 < FourFire> but, back to the main point: 07:43 < aelinoea> why does the people who go to space use linux and not windows? 07:44 < FourFire> because of viruses 07:44 < FourFire> and malware infection 07:44 < FourFire> but what is more to the point: the reason there is so much malware targeted at windows (and now android) 07:44 < FourFire> most people USE windows, regardless of whether it sucks or not 07:44 < FourFire> and bill gates Made that 07:45 < aelinoea> yes and thus coming to my point, windows is exploitation 07:45 < aelinoea> they advertise like fuck 07:45 < aelinoea> and push it everywhere 07:45 < aelinoea> thing that linux does not 07:45 < FourFire> he caused by his lifetimes of actions for something he initally created to be bought by the majority of people on the planet 07:45 < aelinoea> yes, he could have played it right and made a great leap 07:45 < aelinoea> think of the world if every fucking machine would run linux? 07:45 < aelinoea> huh, a different world all together 07:45 < aelinoea> open source vs. closed source? 07:46 < FourFire> returning to my inital point: "rich people are either rich because of inheritance (rich kids) or they Worked Hard and Smart to leverage the state of the world in their favour 07:46 < FourFire> " 07:46 < gradstudentbot> I think using the laser is making me sterile. 07:46 < FourFire> now tell me what about that statement is "wrong" in the correct/incorrect sense 07:47 < FourFire> I'm not claiming that it is morally correct 07:47 < aelinoea> well thus coming to my statement that the guy is impotent 07:47 < aelinoea> because he was not able to pull it right 07:47 < aelinoea> ;D 07:47 < aelinoea> maybe you just dig the exploitation gig 07:48 < aelinoea> wasn't transhumanism about helping to better the human condition? 07:48 < FourFire> ok, can you be serious and tell me what you mean by impotent, with other words 07:48 < aelinoea> and not to fuck it up 07:48 < FourFire> well I argue that computers everywhere is "improving the human condition" and he played a major part in that 07:49 < aelinoea> well sure but I am not going to answer to a retard 07:49 < FourFire> not that he didn't make mistakes along the way, but I think he improved the human condition a great deal more than you or i have ever done 07:49 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: sivoais, lupfantomo, _Sol_, nsh, drewbot 07:49 < FourFire> ok, so again, you are just baselessly insulting me because you disagree with me 07:50 < aelinoea> well I am just stating that you are not seeing the big picture, you just think that having a computer is improving your own condition 07:50 < aelinoea> having a computer that is not attached to your body 07:50 < FourFire> care to explain exactly why you disagree with me, or shall we just mutally /ignore eachother? 07:50 < aelinoea> sure you can read and access alot of information but that does not mean that you are automatically getting improved at the same time 07:51 < aelinoea> for example, the kids at where I live in Finland have phones since very early age that have internet in it 07:51 < FourFire> I'm not thinking about the future in this context, I'm thinking of the state of the world, comparing 1950s to now 07:51 < aelinoea> but they still use it for watching caturday shit 07:51 < aelinoea> thus having a computer did not improve their condition really 07:51 < FourFire> and how much improvement has happened and Which people Caused that improvement to happen 07:51 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:52 < FourFire> the next people who make the next great improvements in the human condition are also going to be stinking rich 07:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: sivoais, nsh, _Sol_, drewbot, lupfantomo 07:52 < FourFire> of course it depends on your exact definition of improvement 07:52 < FourFire> you could think that facebook is net negative, but Zuckerberg is a billionaire 07:52 < FourFire> and he Made That happen 07:52 < aelinoea> Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities. 07:53 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-108-39-210-212.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 < aelinoea> see the word fundamentally 07:53 < FourFire> who ever makes popular whatever futuristic tech you are looking forward to using is going to become really wealthy as well 07:53 < aelinoea> Transhumanist thinkers study the potential benefits and dangers of emerging technologies that could overcome fundamental human limitations, as well as study the ethical matters involved in developing and using such technologies. They predict that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label "posthuman".[1] 07:53 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 07:53 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 < FourFire> aelinoea, and is the creation and maintained existence of the internet along the direction of that goal? 07:55 < aelinoea> obviously something like windows is greatly limiting the possibilities of the computer or the community working on the computer thing as it is closed source 07:55 < FourFire> because the internet wouldn't exist as it does today without everyone having computers 07:55 < FourFire> of course it is 07:55 < FourFire> but it's not 100% negative 07:55 < FourFire> and you seem to be implying that 07:55 < FourFire> as if it is stupidly obvious 07:56 < FourFire> and it seems obvious to me that this view is stupid 07:56 < aelinoea> I am just stating that in the longer run no-one wants to live in a proprietary reality except the slaves 07:56 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: sivoais, lupfantomo, _Sol_, nsh, drewbot 07:56 < FourFire> of course not! I agree with you 07:56 < gradstudentbot> The paper got rejected. 07:57 < FourFire> but again, no single person is apparently smart enough to come up with some grand system that will work which completely replaces what we have today 07:57 < FourFire> or if they are they are being ignored by everyone else 07:57 < aelinoea> dude you understand how much advertising plays in this all? 07:57 < FourFire> and this state of affairs is due to the reasons I said at the start 07:57 < aelinoea> with big enough ad budget you can run over anything 07:57 < FourFire> yes, certainly 07:57 < FourFire> just look at Coke 07:58 < aelinoea> thus those who don't care just go with the first thing that comes to their mind 07:58 < aelinoea> yea 07:58 < gradstudentbot> I don't know whether I am Turing dreaming that I am a machine, or a machine dreaming that I am Turing! 07:58 < FourFire> but you know where big enough budgets come from? 07:58 < FourFire> Being rich? 07:58 < aelinoea> well coke had cocaine in it at first :D 07:58 < FourFire> and you know where being rich comes from? 07:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: sivoais, nsh, _Sol_, drewbot, lupfantomo 07:58 < FourFire> you got it. exploitation 07:58 < FourFire> and you know why rich people are rich 07:59 < aelinoea> because they want to hold their status of being rich? 07:59 < aelinoea> and their funds 07:59 < FourFire> it's because they are smart enough and not too lazy to build and maintain exploitive systems 07:59 < FourFire> or they are just the kids of people who are 08:00 < FourFire> my point is, that to be a rich, exploitive person, you have to be hard working, smart and perseverance 08:00 < FourFire> so even if rich people are "evil"* they are certainly not stupid and lazy 08:00 < aelinoea> well if intelligence is measured in the amount of money that you generate then yes they are not stupid 08:01 < aelinoea> but there are plenty of hard working people who never ask anything for their services 08:01 < FourFire> *a word which has too many built up connotations for me to use it in a serious discussion 08:01 < FourFire> yes, and they are great people 08:01 < FourFire> like the contributors to the open source community 08:01 < FourFire> but we never hear anything about them 08:02 < FourFire> or if we do, they are severely criticized as much as praised 08:03 < gradstudentbot> Where are the hot plates? 08:04 < FourFire> intelligence is hard to measure, IQ tests and other tests only measure a persons ability to score high in those specific tests. evolutionary success and memetic success are other ways to measure intelligence or how much a person is worth 08:05 < FourFire> by memetic success I mean "% of humanity which has heard about this person" 08:05 < FourFire> Loads more people have probably heard about Bill Gates than Linus Torvalds 08:06 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 08:06 < FourFire> so even when a lesser know person, like Linus comes up with some amazing revolutionary idea, fewer people will hear, and go "yes, let's do this" 08:06 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:06 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 08:06 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:07 < FourFire> aelinoea, I'm going to leave now, and next time, be more charitable and understanding. 08:07 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@111-98-15.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 08:10 < aelinoea> charitable as in charity? does he want money? 08:10 < chris_99> no 08:10 < aelinoea> no excuses for creating proprietary futures 08:17 -!- entelechios [~elysium@mail.2bett.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 -!- entelechios [~elysium@mail.2bett.com] has quit [Client Quit] 08:27 < kanzure> "split ergonomic keyboard" http://ergodox.org/ 08:28 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:33 < kanzure> thta conversation was completely boring and i think we should ban both FourFire and aelinoea 08:38 -!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 08:38 -!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 < aelinoea> kanzure: sure bring it on, I have nothing to loose 08:39 < aelinoea> by being banned from this channel 08:40 < kanzure> btw why are you here or how did you find this place? 08:40 < aelinoea> sure sure, this is such an inside channel that there are no traces outside of it 08:42 < aelinoea> https://encrypted.google.com/#q=%23%23hplusroadmap 08:42 < aelinoea> beware, anyone could come in! 08:42 < aelinoea> this channel is not even +s 08:43 < aelinoea> or do you want to know the people who made the mistake of telling me XD in which case I will not tell 08:43 < superkuh> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel6/8258/25864/01149588.pdf 08:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2df69781d09aad454f6f1554e4ea7ba4.pdf 08:49 < kanzure> aelinoea: i don't understand at all, please be more clear 08:49 < kanzure> aelinoea: yes i am aware that this is a channel that other people are capable of knowing about, but that's not what i was asking you about? 08:49 < aelinoea> when being threatened do you really think I would give you further information to identify the people who told me about this channel 08:50 < aelinoea> as I said, you can exercise your internet powers all you want by banning me 08:50 < kanzure> okay, so someone told you about the channel, and then you joined because ?? 08:51 < aelinoea> "at last I can exert my power over someone else, even if it is in the internet!" 08:51 < kanzure> or, you left around because ?? 08:51 < aelinoea> because I am interested in the topic 08:52 < aelinoea> and as I can see, the channel has total of 74 people in it and most of them have not really talked anything during the time I have been here and I don't see any sign saying idling is not allowed 08:52 < kanzure> my complaint about you is not about idling :) 08:53 < aelinoea> well yes I understand, if you want to have an quiet channel the be my guest 08:53 < aelinoea> n 08:53 < kanzure> huh? 08:54 < aelinoea> well once upon a time people were talking to each other 08:54 < aelinoea> right? 08:54 < aelinoea> not idling 08:54 < aelinoea> those times were glorious 08:54 < aelinoea> people interacting! 08:54 < aelinoea> nowdays noone talks in irc 08:54 < aelinoea> except for some personal few people klicks 08:54 < kanzure> are we talking about a new topic, or are you still trying to guess why i wanted to ban you? 08:55 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-108-39-210-212.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:55 < aelinoea> iirc you have not said why you wanted to ban me 08:55 < kanzure> i didn't say that i did 08:55 < aelinoea> you have a strange way of communicating to people 08:55 < kanzure> i say things that i mean and then you totally ignore what i write 08:56 < gradstudentbot> Don't mess with me, I'm a world pipetting champion 14 years running. 08:56 < aelinoea> dude seriously, do you enjoy being all alone? 08:56 < aelinoea> having an empty channel? 08:56 < kanzure> this channel is not empty or lonely :) 08:56 < aelinoea> you started exerting your power by threatning to ban people 08:56 < kanzure> don't worry about that 08:56 < aelinoea> haha well seems to be so, there has not been a lot of talking for few weeks 08:57 < kanzure> you should double check the logs 08:57 < aelinoea> considering the fact there are 73 people here 08:57 < kanzure> are you entelechios? 08:57 < aelinoea> and now when there are talking it is only some angry op wanting tho show his/her power 08:57 < aelinoea> oh someone else has been a heretic? 08:58 < aelinoea> if entelechios is a person who parted the channel for whatever reason you must be a real paranoid guy believing that I would be entelechios :D 08:58 < aelinoea> or just still attached to the person 08:58 < kanzure> he's just really bad at running a stable irc client 08:58 < kanzure> so he reconnects whenever his laptop opens or some shit 08:58 < aelinoea> "maybe ent came back but with a diff name!!!" 08:58 < aelinoea> sorry, I am not that person 08:58 < kanzure> no that's not what i said at all 08:59 < kanzure> i am aware of the possibility of multiple irc connections initiated by the same person 08:59 < kanzure> i didn't say he came back 08:59 < aelinoea> just joking on your behalf, I don't see how this is related to transhumanism at all 08:59 < kanzure> i hate you for the way you misinterpret literally everything i say 08:59 < aelinoea> do you want to talk about improving the human condition? 08:59 < aelinoea> if yes, then you may be on the right channel 08:59 < aelinoea> if not then I guess there is offtopic channel for general chat 09:00 < kanzure> actually, improving humanity's condition is sort of off topic, in a vague sense 09:00 < aelinoea> if you want to exercise your internetpowers then I suggest you go to the gym instead 09:00 < kanzure> all of that democratic-transhumanism stuff is a pile of garbage perpetuated to sell more of james hughes' books 09:01 < aelinoea> :D well creating proprietary futures is only slaving the people involved so I am not really interested in being part of trapping myself 09:01 < aelinoea> to any junk that is not open-ended 09:01 < kanzure> slaving people? 09:01 < kanzure> proprietary futures? 09:01 < aelinoea> well if you dig limitations.... 09:01 < kanzure> you are just incomprehensible please fuck off and leave 09:01 < aelinoea> what a dirty fetish though 09:01 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 09:01 < aelinoea> cya :D 09:01 <@kanzure> thanks. 09:02 < aelinoea> I suggest you start exercising irl, pressing a button does not require really anything and everyone can do it :) 09:03 < aelinoea> yeayeayea I know, facing your own weaknesses sucks eh? and it requires hard work to gain results 09:03 < aelinoea> even with steroids 09:03 < aelinoea> so better just talk about tech in the internet as it is far more easier and gain that lost feeling of authority by opping yourself :D 09:03 <@kanzure> you're really boring can you please troll better 09:04 < aelinoea> so what is so interesting to you eh? 09:04 < aelinoea> what kinda topic makes your juices flow 09:04 <@kanzure> please talk about how i am power tripping and how i am "enslaving humanity" with my "nanotech wizardry" 09:04 < aelinoea> not the whole humanity, but creating limits to you and someone else is kinda against transhumanitys principles at least according to the wikipedia article 09:05 < aelinoea> so I guess what you are doing is just general nerdiness 09:05 < aelinoea> Transhumanist thinkers study the potential benefits and dangers of emerging technologies that could overcome fundamental human limitations, as well as study the ethical matters involved in developing and using such technologies. 09:05 < aelinoea> didyou read that part about "human limitations" 09:05 < aelinoea> I seeyou did not 09:05 < aelinoea> by creating proprietary futures and proprietary code you are creating limitations 09:05 < aelinoea> not open-ended possibilities 09:05 < aelinoea> :) 09:06 < gradstudentbot> Hey, let's write a paper about that. 09:06 < aelinoea> of maybe you want to edit that part out of the wiki? 09:06 <@kanzure> btw the wikipedia article has been under the control of a single person for about five years now and suffers greatly from editorializing 09:06 < aelinoea> hahaha sure try to bend that to your own advantage all you want, but I would think majority of transhumanists would agree about the ridding of human limitations part 09:07 < aelinoea> and creating something as closed source is a limitation by definition 09:07 <@kanzure> i am not trying to bend anything, you're fucking impossible to talk with 09:07 < aelinoea> yes, good luck starting conversations by threathening people :D 09:08 < aelinoea> try that with someone outside of your room will you? 09:08 < aelinoea> see if they dig that "hey how about I punch you to your face?" 09:09 < aelinoea> either they will ignore you, call the cops or punch you to your face for starting it 09:10 < aelinoea> if your idea of talking is threathening others then you are not a good person and able to really communicate, and if you think that the conversation was so boring then maybe tell me why it was boring? 09:10 < aelinoea> that would have been talking 09:10 < aelinoea> also I think these discussions are logged and published in the net so everyone searching for kanzure might be able to read this :D 09:11 < aelinoea> good rep 09:14 < aelinoea> and if it was so boring, people are not here to entertain you 09:15 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 < aelinoea> if you want to be entertained then I suggest you watching some show designed to numb your brain 09:18 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@74.45.120.5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- justanotheruser2 [~justanoth@74.45.120.5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:25 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@74.45.120.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:32 -!- justanotheruser2 [~justanoth@74.45.120.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:33 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.138.225] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.138.225] has quit [Changing host] 09:33 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:42 < pasky> yay, https://github.com/brmson/blanqa got to the point of "This was the last missing bit to achieve a fully working (though very basic) NLP pipeline for question answering. Many improvements remain, but in principle, BlanQA can now answer a general question on an arbitrary text file snippet." 09:42 < pasky> (not that it'd be very good at it) 09:51 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@111-98-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-0-244.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-0-244.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 10:16 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b2c0:ab00:f96b:701a:a97d:dad9] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:34 -!- hehehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:36 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ is now known as kuldeepdhaka 10:37 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:45 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- cthulu [~tpi@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:29 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:32 -!- FourFire is now known as Fourout 12:39 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 12:39 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:50 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:50 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 < n_bentha> kanzure, you slaver! :P 13:07 -!- ascendancy [~ascendanc@199.44.250.219] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:07 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:09 <@kanzure> indeed, for as long as i can remember my true goal in life was to enslave the human race and force them to upload their brains into /dev/null or something 13:11 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:14 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ivan`, klafka, Fourout, ThomasEgi 13:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: klafka, Fourout, ThomasEgi, ivan` 13:21 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:22 -!- ivan` [~ivan@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- ivan` [~ivan@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:22 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm189.sigma236.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 13:39 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- Fourout is now known as FourFire 14:18 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:18 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@74.45.123.185] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@74.45.123.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:24 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.138.225] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:29 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.138.225] has quit [Changing host] 14:29 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 < jrayhawk> to be fair, having consciousness makes us harder to harvest for meat 14:39 <@kanzure> definitely an inconvenience 14:40 < nsh> but easier to harvest for ad revenue 14:41 <@kanzure> nsh: still a free man? 14:41 < nsh> for some value thereof 14:41 <@kanzure> "large and in charge" is the only acceptable answer 14:42 * nsh smiles 14:42 <@kanzure> show me cool things? 14:42 < jrayhawk> are court filings cool things? 14:42 < nsh> some of them 14:43 < nsh> e.g. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/chicago7/chicago7.html 14:44 <@kanzure> "the 1969-70 trial of seven radicals accused of conspiring to incite a democracy at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago" 14:44 < jrayhawk> "arrested by British police in Suffolk and released on bail until February." 14:44 < jrayhawk> ah, okay 14:44 < jrayhawk> very limited value thereof indeed 14:45 * nsh smiles 14:46 <@kanzure> once they rule in your favor maybe they will slap some really cool novelty judgement on you, 14:46 <@kanzure> like "can't use the number 7 for the rest of his life" 14:46 <@kanzure> or that poor guy who couldn't use "encryption" 14:47 < FourFire> kanzure, what? 14:47 < nsh> lysobit (tflow). he also has to report the "serial numbers" of any computers he uses 14:47 < nsh> under a Serious Crime Prevention Order 14:47 <@kanzure> so is that a serial number of each part? 14:47 < nsh> (ie, do what we say, because...) 14:47 < nsh> just "the computer" 14:48 < nsh> so he was trying to figure out what to tell them for a VPS today 14:48 < nsh> which reports no serials via the software 14:48 < nsh> or maybe it's a dedicated server, but in any case 14:48 <@kanzure> if he starts a company that spins up a thousand VMs, does he have to print out numbers on paper? 14:49 < nsh> good question. might be a fun experiment... 14:49 < FourFire> who is this referrng to and why must they report the "serial numbers" ? 14:50 <@kanzure> do they count phones as a computer that must be documented? 14:50 < nsh> FourFire, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Al-Bassam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serious_Crime_Act_2007#Serious_crime_prevention_orders 14:51 < nsh> maybe smartphones 14:51 < FourFire> give him a rpi? 14:51 <@kanzure> any judge would definitely consider an rpi to be a compuster 14:51 <@kanzure> computer 14:52 < nsh> they stole my rpi :( 14:52 < nsh> i hadn't even started to play with it 14:52 -!- alonso_ [~alonso@210.Red-79-153-16.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:52 < FourFire> "Conducted himself in a way that was likely to facilitate the commission by himself or another person of a serious offence, whether or not such an offence was committed." is way too slippery for me to want to live in england 14:53 < FourFire> "you were on halmstreet the day before the bank robbery, correct?" 14:54 < nsh> technically, the US could demand my extradition on the basis of made-up evidence (hearsay) for a made-up crime (conspiracy) 14:54 < FourFire> oh, nsh you are awaiting judgement? 14:55 < nsh> fortunately, they're not in the mood to push their luck yet 14:55 < nsh> i'm awaiting.. something :) 14:55 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 14:55 < nsh> either rebail (kick the can), reinterview, charge, or some combination 14:55 <@kanzure> what? you haven't been charged? 14:56 < nsh> nope 14:56 < nsh> well, not in the UK 14:56 <@kanzure> ah got it 14:56 < nsh> i've been charged in some stupid totalitarian regime the best response to which i can muster is "lol" 14:56 < FourFire> what's all this about? 14:56 <@kanzure> just a bunch of drama 14:56 <@kanzure> it will pass in time 14:56 * nsh nods 14:56 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by kanzure 14:57 < FourFire> I look forward to one perk of brain enhancement: you will be able yo *know* every single law in every place without being a laywer 14:57 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57 < kanzure> uh.. unlikely. 14:57 < kanzure> in many places there is an incomplete written record 14:57 < FourFire> I mean, like exocortex enhancement 14:57 < kanzure> so how would you *possibly* know things that are not documented 14:58 < FourFire> oh, well if They don't know, then they can't charge you for it 14:58 < kanzure> oh my :) 14:58 < kanzure> well okay 14:58 < FourFire> that would be crazy, like making up stuff just to 14:58 < kanzure> go on... 14:58 < FourFire> if this happens it is Wrong! 14:58 < FourFire> if this happens to me, I will make a very big noise about it and people will get in trouble 14:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-140-20.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:59 < eudoxia> i seriously doubt that 14:59 < kanzure> which part? 14:59 < eudoxia> the second one 14:59 < eudoxia> not the first one 14:59 * FourFire one moment, needs to go fix their brain a bit 15:00 < kanzure> sorry, i don't know what you're numbering :) 15:00 < eudoxia> the part where people get in trouble 15:00 < eudoxia> what fourfire said right after i logged in 15:00 < eudoxia> s/after/before 15:01 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@74.45.123.185] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:01 < FourFire> please specify exactly what you were implying when you said "in many places there is an incomplete written record" 15:01 < gradstudentbot> The paper was rejected. 15:01 < eudoxia> hahahaha oh gradbot 15:02 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02 < kanzure> well, secret courts come to mind 15:02 < FourFire> eudoxia, sorry I'm suffering som mild mental instability, be better soon 15:03 < kanzure> uhuh.. 15:03 < kanzure> eudoxia: what have you been playing with lately? 15:03 < eudoxia> i've been writing an ORM, but nothing transhumanism-related :c 15:04 < kanzure> which language is the ORM targeted for? 15:04 < eudoxia> do you mean, does it output SQL or something else? 15:05 < kanzure> i mean which language do i have to use to use your orm 15:05 < eudoxia> Common Lisp 15:05 < kanzure> have you ever used sqlalchemy? 15:05 < kanzure> it's not for lisp mind you 15:05 < eudoxia> i know it's python 15:05 < eudoxia> no i've only used the Django ORM, but one of the guys at work gave us a talk about SQLAlchemy 15:06 < eudoxia> i'm guessing you are asking to make sure I implemented all the ORM best-practices from sqlalchemy? 15:06 < kanzure> my main complaint about django's orm is that it's tied to django. so if you want to use any of your models in a non-web-context you're fucked. 15:06 < kanzure> eh, sort of 15:06 < kanzure> there's some things in sqlalchemy that could probably be dumped 15:06 < kanzure> the session pooling could be simplified dramatically 15:06 < kanzure> and the concept of "metadata" 15:07 < kanzure> (metadata seems like this bucket where everything was dumped.. what's so meta about that?) 15:07 < eudoxia> well, i haven't played with it much so i can't really say 15:08 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@74.45.123.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:08 < kanzure> are there any good orms for lisp? 15:08 < eudoxia> "non-web-tied Django ORM for Lisp" was kind of what I was going for anyways 15:08 < kanzure> by good i mean: decoupled from the database, not deep-tied into a web framework 15:08 < eudoxia> no, none really (otherwise I wouldn't have written this) 15:08 < eudoxia> there's CLSQL, which has terrible threading, and Postmodern, which is Postgres specific 15:08 < eudoxia> and none of them have migrations :c 15:08 < kanzure> so most lispers just pass around dictionaries? 15:09 < kanzure> migrations are probably out-of-scope though- what if you're using some nosql thing where you don't need to migrate data? 15:09 < eudoxia> i guess most just do raw SQL, and in any case there aren't many web dev projects using Common Lisp 15:09 < kanzure> even sqlalchemy dumps it on other tools (sqlalchemy-migrate, alembic) 15:09 < eudoxia> well, sure, unless you only want to target SQL databases 15:10 < eudoxia> i wrote mine with migrations out-of-the-box, which i suspect will bite me in the butt one day 15:10 < kanzure> will already bite you if you attempt to support sqlite 15:10 < eudoxia> yeah 15:11 < kanzure> dunno why i ever bothered with sqlite 15:11 < eudoxia> i think i can work around it by doing a CREATE TABLE FROM, destroying the old table, and renaming the new table 15:11 < kanzure> "yeah making my development environment unlike my production environment sounds like a barrel of fun" wrong 15:11 < eudoxia> i mean it's useful if you're writing a desktop application 15:11 < eudoxia> but yeah, for server environments, just use postgres 15:11 < eudoxia> or whatever else that isn't sqlite 15:11 < kanzure> you could still use postgresql in that situation.. firefox had sqlite (still does?) and they have to do dumb workarounds consistently. 15:12 < eudoxia> i think FF still has sqlite 15:12 < eudoxia> i guess it's for the windows crowd? 15:13 < nsh> both FF and chromium/chrome use sqlite still 15:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.149.213] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:29 < FourFire> alright, I think I might be better now 15:29 < FourFire> yeah so as I was saying, little lump of fallacy there, also naiveté 15:30 < FourFire> so in which cases is it applicable for a court to invent new laws? 15:30 < FourFire> and tell me about secret courts as I have never heard of those before today 15:32 < eudoxia> NSA warrant mills 15:36 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.149.213] has quit [Changing host] 15:37 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:49 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:50 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-140-20.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:59 < jrayhawk> And, more importantly, there are plenty of extrajudicial means of prosecution. 16:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:00 < kanzure> in some jurisdictions it costs a substantial amount per page to read case law 16:00 < kanzure> and even if you did have the data, it's mostly worthless because it's just piles of crap 16:00 < kanzure> (not that this means that i think having the data is worthless itself; just that the data is annoying) 16:01 < jrayhawk> Such as e.g. dragging cases out until defense witnesses disappear, leveraging authoritarian trust, incentivizing bad testimony, etc. etc. etc. 16:02 < FourFire> using narrow AI to compress the data into instrumental knowledge could help 16:02 < FourFire> (but then I only specified exocortexes initially) 16:03 < jrayhawk> Plus fiddling with ambiguities in the law such as 'possession' vs. 'trafficing', 'abetting', 'conspiracy', 'disturbing the peace', etc. 16:03 < jrayhawk> The law is not a programming language. 16:03 < FourFire> http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-a-Codependent-Family-Member exists 16:03 < FourFire> if this is helpful I will do a good deed! 16:04 < jrayhawk> Things are super-weird in the land of divorce proceedings. Nothing resembling law even exists. 16:05 < FourFire> in which country ? 16:05 < jrayhawk> In common law countries. I realize now that you're in Norway and I have no idea what that's like. 16:06 < nsh> cold and socialist 16:07 < nsh> (with a great pension scheme) 16:12 < jrayhawk> International treaties are another hilarious one; typically they are criminally enforcable, but there's no requirement that they have any sort of objective standard of violation. 16:13 < jrayhawk> http://www.harveysilverglate.com/Books/ThreeFeloniesaDay.aspx is a fun read. 16:13 < FourFire> oh yeah we have socialism 16:13 < FourFire> high taxes (but you get used to it, it's normal) 16:13 < FourFire> and great things like being paid to go to school 16:13 < FourFire> (not much mind, but paid) 16:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 < jrayhawk> "skatt" is honomynous with an English word for "shit" 16:15 < jrayhawk> homonymous 16:15 < jrayhawk> words 16:16 < gradstudentbot> Sigh, my invasive fruit flies won’t have sex for me. 16:36 < FourFire> jrayhawk, phonetically 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