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00:00 < Lemminkainen> nootropics and meditation as well
00:00 < accolade> I think sprints and squats are out for me atm, cause I have knee problems
00:00 < cpopell> noots varying from person to person
00:00 < gradstudentbot> Hey, let's write a paper about that.
00:00 < accolade> when I jog ~10mins that is.  I could try if they actually come when sprinting or squatting
00:01 < Lemminkainen> accolade:
00:01 < Lemminkainen> http://workout-essentials.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/The-30-Day-Squat-Challenge-Workout-Program.jpg
00:01 < Lemminkainen> NSFW for those at work
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00:01 < accolade> heh
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00:01 < accolade> CAN'T READ
00:01 < accolade> not user-friendly
00:02 < Lemminkainen> it doesn't take THAT much blood to read
00:02 < accolade> hehe
00:02 < accolade> her butt like doesn't even fit in there!
00:02 < accolade> looks shopped
00:04 < accolade> care to elaborate on the noots and meditation?
00:04 < accolade> I have tried meditation considerably but haven't had notable effects
00:04 < cpopell> tcds as well
00:05 < accolade> what's that?
00:05 < cpopell> trans cranial direct stimulation
00:05 < accolade> sounds intriguing
00:05 < cpopell> look it up
00:05 < accolade> already on ti
00:06 < accolade> tdcs is the same?
00:06 < Lemminkainen> noots depend entirely on what outcome you're trying to achieve
00:06 < Lemminkainen> same with meditation
00:06 < cpopell> accolade: yep
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00:06 < cpopell> tdcs is the proper term, actually
00:06 < cpopell> tdms and tdus are also things
00:07 < accolade> Lemminkainen, is that so individual?  Doesn't pretty much everyone want to be energetic, happy, productive, maybe some adventure?
00:07 < cpopell> Depends
00:07 < Lemminkainen> yes, but your means for getting there are going to be different
00:07 < cpopell> some people want to calm down/destress
00:07 < cpopell> some people don't
00:07 < Lemminkainen> cpopell enjoys his misery
00:07 < cpopell> cpopell isn't miserable
00:07 < Lemminkainen> cpopell is obtuse sometimes, however
00:07 < cpopell> he just needs to get laid more
00:09 < accolade> I think I should return some time later to pick your brains on this, when I have more motivation
00:10 < accolade> thanks cpopell, and Lemminkainen again!
00:10 < cpopell> mhm
00:18 < accolade> tdcs seems wicked :)
00:19 < Lemminkainen> that depends on your moral framework and to what ends you're using it
00:20 < accolade> oh, I meant that in a figurative way - "sweet"
00:21 < juri_> cpoppel: you're in DC as well? ever met up with the biohackers at the hacker space?
00:21 < cpopell> Nope
00:22 < juri_> you should. there's at least two that are actual hackers. and, aren't me. ;)
00:22 < accolade> do I need a doctor for tDCS?  Is it expensive?
00:22 < Lemminkainen> you need some parts and some courage
00:23 < Lemminkainen> not expensive, < $50
00:23 < accolade> cool
00:23 < Lemminkainen> you know how to solder?
00:23 < accolade> I guess
00:23 < cpopell> ...you can also buy kits.
00:23 < accolade> if there is much to know about it, I probably don't
00:23 < Lemminkainen> kits are lame
00:23 < Lemminkainen> electrocute your brain on your own goddamn terms
00:24 < accolade> courage by itself I have I guess, but do you actually mean I need to be risk-affine?
00:24 < accolade> is it dangerous?
00:24 < cpopell> if you fuck it up
00:24 < accolade> doesn't sound so much so from the WP article
00:24 < accolade> can I fuck it up with a kit?
00:24 < Lemminkainen> yep
00:24 < cpopell> no idea, haven't touched the things
00:24 < accolade> mh :/
00:25 < Lemminkainen> are the consequences that severe?
00:25 < Lemminkainen> no
00:25 < Lemminkainen> you might burn your skin slightly
00:25 < cpopell> I'm exceptionally risk averse tho
00:25 < Lemminkainen> yes he is
00:25 < cpopell> to a degree that irritates some people
00:25 < Lemminkainen> he doesn't even like his nipples touched
00:25 < cpopell> I don't like people touching me when I request they stop :P
00:25 < accolade> I get the impression we have a history here… ;)
00:25 < gradstudentbot> The paper was rejected.
00:26 < accolade> there was a 'nipple time'
00:26 < cpopell> nah, it was his business partner
00:26 < cpopell> who I've known for years
00:26 < accolade> so what should I do?  I don't want to fry my brain obviously.  Can I prevent the fuckup with due diligence or would I have to accept a certain risk?
00:26 < cpopell> and was irritating me a bit. long story
00:26 < accolade> slight skin frying is no problem at all
00:26 < Lemminkainen> due diligence is helpful
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00:34 < accolade> have you done it?
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01:16 < Lemminkainen> I haven't been in one place long enough to assemble the tools for quite a while now
01:17 < accolade> oh, how come?
01:38 < Lemminkainen> nomadism
01:41 < accolade> heh, why?  Are you a couchsurfer? :)
01:44 < Lemminkainen> nooo
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08:04 < kanzure> wtf
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08:30 < juri_> ftw!
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10:10 < kanzure> http://octopart.com/blog/archives/2014/2/hardware-hackathons-are-hard
10:10 < kanzure> https://www.firebase.com/blog/2013-12-19-electric-imp-hackathon.html
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10:19 < juri_> hackathons are hard. i went to one hoping to meet other hackers, and instead got to feel more useless (no-one needs a hardware hacker / kernel programmer?), completely out of touch (i'm 35, the rest of the atendees were still in college), and alienated when the person i was sent there to meet treated me like a pariah.
10:19 < juri_> i went home afterward, and did some rash things.
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11:09 < ParahSailin> if you run a tor node, you might be under a DoS attack
11:09 < ParahSailin> two of my boxes have been experiencing fuckery
11:11 < Tukotih_> ParahSailin: Entry node?
11:11 < ParahSailin> i run two exit nodes
11:12 < wallmani> juri_: you need to learn node.js and angular to be a true hacker nowadays
11:12 < wallmani> ParahSailin: is your ISP okay with that? or do you rent VPS'es for that?
11:12 < ParahSailin> VPS's
11:15 < juri_> wallmani: i also know a plethora of web technologies, but could care less about node.js, or angular.
11:16 < wallmani> but it's not the hacker thing nowadays
11:16 < wallmani> in all seriousness, i hate the whole "hacker" culture now
11:16 < wallmani> "oh i can write a javascript app that uses a google api to draw pictures of searches in your browser, i'm such a hacker!"
11:17 < kanzure> that is not hacker culture
11:17 < kanzure> i dunno why you would be under that mistaken impression
11:17 < juri_> because those are the #*^# *#%@#$@ @%@$@$@$@$@ people i run into at 'hackathons'.
11:18 < kanzure> that is not an answer to my question
11:18 < juri_> well, if we tried to label an event a 'hackathon' ten years ago, and had real hackers there, the police would have been called.
11:18 < wallmani> kanzure: that's what a lot of people seem to think hackers are nowadays
11:18 < juri_> and the organisers would likely be held on 'conspiracy' charges.
11:18 < wallmani> haha, yeah
11:19 < wallmani> now hackathons are recruiting events for companies
11:19 < juri_> now? its 'hip' to be a hacker. who knows maybe two languages.
11:19 < juri_> and is only able to use their mac.
11:19 < kanzure> those recruiting events are clearly marked though. why would that be a surprise..
11:19 < kanzure> wait, what's wrong with using a mac? i think i have a few of those.
11:19 < juri_> using a mac? nothing.
11:19 < juri_> ONLY being able to use a mac?
11:20 < kanzure> have you actually tested these people to see if they are incapable of using non-mac? i highly doubt this
11:20 < kanzure> i am just skeptical of your claims here
11:20 < juri_> i've seen their reaction to when someone hands them a PC, linux or windows.
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11:20 < juri_> and yes, i've had them say "cant we just pull this up on my mac? this computer is too confusing."
11:20 < wallmani> it shouldn't matter for a hacker what to use as long as it's a terminal though
11:21 < gradstudentbot> You know, I can just do consulting.
11:21 < superkuh> Unrelated: I found this technical book library just now. Alphabetically organized, but still useful. http://slib.phys.msu.ru/sl/
11:21 < wallmani> gradstudentbot: are you graduating this year?
11:21 < gradstudentbot> When is he back from sabbatical?
11:24 < wallmani> juri_: have you gone to a university hackathon?
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11:32 < juri_> wallmani: nope. i went to an openITP on or somesuch. i was pretty depresed, and was trying to go there to reach out.
11:33 < juri_> i was also sick as a dog, and was hearing voices from the fevers. i got depressed enough to attempt suicide, but the voices still took half a day afterward to go away.
11:33 < juri_> i REALLY have a low opinion of hackathons now, as a result.
11:35 < juri_> if you're going to hold a hackathon, please make sure you're ready for real hackers to show up. we're an abused enough section of society as it is.
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11:47 < wallmani> i went to two university hackathons
11:47 < wallmani> they kind of sucked
11:47 < wallmani> "oh guys look at me i can use an occulus rift api and make this thing happen, i'm such a hacker"
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11:51 < klafka> i don't think i've been to a university hackathon
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12:06 < kanzure> anyone wishing to view the upcoming and hilarious biocurious "abandon ship" meeting are welcome to do so here: https://zoom.us/j/299573824
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12:23 < kanzure> i am trying to figure out if this is spam/phishy: "Dear Mr. Bishop, I came upon your contact information while reading the Talk section in the "Unsolved problems in philosophy" page on Wikipedia.  I am a Canadian.  I am currently investigating the foundations of epistemology.  I have written a short paper (around 40 pages or so) on the subject.  I was hoping I could email it to you to get your input and feedback."
12:24 < kanzure> why would it matter that this person is a canadian? what the fuck
12:24 < kanzure> wow it is a comment from 2006
12:26 < cpopell> isn't crazy dude canadian too?
12:26 < kanzure> i have nothing against canadians in general
12:26 < kanzure> i promise
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12:27 < kanzure> welp since i actually commented on that wikipedia page 8 years ago, i guess it's not entirely unreasonable that someone would find me there
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12:49 < ParahSailin> no philosophy
12:50 < kanzure> how'd you lose ops
12:50 < ParahSailin> i got in trouble
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12:50 < kanzure> still dosed?
12:51 < ParahSailin> havent had ops in a while i think
12:51 < kanzure> nah wait you wouldn't be silly enough to run an irc client from your own tor exit node
12:51 < kanzure> 20:27 <@ParahSailin> coed is anglo for female college student
12:51 < kanzure> oh well
12:51 < ParahSailin> oh, didnt notice
12:51 < ParahSailin> cant run irc from a tor exit node anyway
12:52 < ParahSailin> freenode would block it
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13:23 < ParahSailin> uspto.gov really should not be giving http status lines like "crt0: ERROR couldn't open /usr/lib/dld.sl errno:000000023"
13:24 < kanzure> nice
13:24 < kanzure> what request did you send it?
13:25 < ParahSailin> what requests plural i guess is the more correct question
13:26 < ParahSailin> just regular crawling of some search queries
13:26 < kanzure> i recommend mitmproxy if you want to investigate
13:27 < ParahSailin> nah, im crawling with http-conduit so i have access to pretty good diagnostics
13:27 < cpopell> uspto is slow as balls
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13:28 < ParahSailin> looks like i was killing their max fd limit
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13:30 < kanzure> cpopell: i don't think that phrase means what you think it means
13:34 < jrayhawk> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slow%20as%20balls the internet says it's legit
13:34 < jrayhawk> the internet would never lie
13:35 < kanzure> what does a snail know about testicles?
13:35 < kanzure> oh wait, no philosophy
13:35 < jrayhawk> haha
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13:46 < AngriestBird> CRISPR-Cas is an efficient method for genome editing in organisms from bacteria to human cells. We describe a transgene-free method for CRISPR-Cas-mediated cleavage in nematodes, enabling RNA-homology-targeted deletions that cause loss of gene function; analysis of whole-genome sequencing indicates that the nuclease activity is highly specific.
13:47 < AngriestBird> @paperbot CRISPR-Cas is an efficient method for genome editing in organisms from bacteria to human cells. We describe a transgene-free method for CRISPR-Cas-mediated cleavage in nematodes, enabling RNA-homology-targeted deletions that cause loss of gene function; analysis of whole-genome sequencing indicates that the nuclease activity is highly specific.
13:47 < kanzure> you have to give paperbot an actual url to fetch
13:48 < AngriestBird> thanks
14:00 < kanzure> ethereum release in 2 hours
14:02 < kanzure> oh nevermind
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14:09 < timefold_> afternoon
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17:48 < Lemminkainen> cpopell 3 predictions for medical breakthroughs in 2014
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17:59 < xp_prg> check out my diybio expert system! http://plnkr.co/edit/yuZkr6VoKWswAp7KM3mt?p=preview
18:00 < xp_prg> tell me what you think :>
18:01 < Lemminkainen> this might work even better as an IRCbot
18:01 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: how do i write a paper?
18:01 < gradstudentbot> I saw that paper when it came out.
18:02 < Lemminkainen> then we can redirect FAQs to DIYBIOHALP
18:03 < kanzure> you mean http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq
18:03 < juri_> or, we could just beat people about the head.
18:03 < juri_> i like that option better.
18:03 < kanzure> oh i like that plan
18:03 < kanzure> let's choose that one
18:03 < xp_prg> well it is meant to run in a browser for now
18:03 < xp_prg> anyway, do you see its potential at all?
18:05 < juri_> No, cause i'm not looking at something as wonderfully described as an 'expert system'.
18:05 < kanzure> heh
18:05 < juri_> unless you're talking about watson style algorithms... not interested.
18:06 < juri_> and even then, for every ten people who ask me to look at their awesome web page, nine of them are trying to make money off of it, and using me as a tool to do so.
18:06 < kanzure> i have concerns about your implementation choices.. there's no reason for all the html/css, that seems tobe a separate concern from an expert system
18:06 < kanzure> *to be a
18:06 < xp_prg> kanzure look at demo_es.js
18:06 < xp_prg> that is the expert system, simple prolog statements
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18:07 < xp_prg> I am not trying to make money with it juri, it is opensource
18:07 < xp_prg> kanzure does that not impress at all?
18:07 < gradstudentbot> Are you published?
18:07 < kanzure> did you know that it's possible to make money with open source software?
18:07 < xp_prg> yes
18:07 < juri_> i try to make money with free software, all day.
18:07 < xp_prg> but is usually not designed to make money, it is an accident
18:07 < kanzure> oh yes, and free software too
18:07 < juri_> not by keeping it secret, either. most days, i fail.
18:07 < curt1s> mining doge coins?
18:08 < kanzure> curt1s: hardly necessary
18:08 < juri_> wow. i'm in a very kanzure-like mood today.
18:08 < Lemminkainen> hayo, chill now
18:08 < Lemminkainen> xp_prg has implemented a first draft of a thing that could become neat
18:08 < Lemminkainen> and I appreciate that he spent the time doing so even if it is currently of limited utility
18:09 < xp_prg> thanks Lemminkainen, I heart upon you
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18:09 < Lemminkainen> he didn't have to
18:09 < xp_prg> it is the result of like 10 years of development
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18:09 < Lemminkainen> it just needs more expert
18:10 < juri_> Lemminkainen: nods. i''m in a very bad mood today. try not to take it too personally.
18:10 < gradstudentbot> She keeps talking about her Nature paper, but she was only third author.
18:10 < curt1s> gradstudentbot: 3rd author aint bad bro
18:10 < gradstudentbot> I think I'll be done in 6 years.
18:11 < curt1s> kanzure: can we get some pseudo ai markov chain going
18:11 < curt1s> im bored with gradstudentbot
18:11 < gradstudentbot> You know they keep the mice in better conditions than us.
18:11 < kanzure> curt1s: sure why not
18:11 < kanzure> curt1s: also if he is presently annoying anyone i am happy to take him offline
18:12 < curt1s> im not annoyed
18:12 < curt1s> just bored
18:12 < curt1s> i want more
18:12 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/gradstudentbot.txt
18:12 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it's significant.
18:13 < curt1s> oh
18:13 < curt1s> just preloaded strings
18:13 < curt1s> we can do better than that
18:13 < kanzure> it is surprisingly good for random
18:13 < kanzure> yes
18:13 < curt1s> gradstudentbot: My matlab crashed.
18:13 < gradstudentbot> I don't remember the paper, but someone definitely did that.
18:13 < curt1s> :|
18:13 < curt1s> gradstudentbot: matlab
18:13 < gradstudentbot> Who's doing journal club today?
18:14 < curt1s> soo
18:14 < curt1s> random only eh
18:14 < kanzure> nods
18:14 < curt1s> ok
18:14 < curt1s> maybe i should resurrect this old guy http://sourceforge.net/projects/benzo/
18:14 < curt1s> he's long dead and the database was pure gold
18:15 < curt1s> efnet #high circa 2000-2003
18:15 < Lemminkainen> juri_ ain't taking it personally, just putting it out there that our first reaction to someone's work needn't be to tear it down immediately
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18:17 < gradstudentbot> Did you see that hack?
18:17 < curt1s> gradstudentbot: you don't learn
18:17 < gradstudentbot> Hey, I got 100% yield! Oh wait, no.
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18:17  * curt1s expells gradstudentbot 
18:17 < gradstudentbot> Guys, I just cured cancer.
18:17 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+mgr] by kanzure
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18:17 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+q gradstudentbot!*@*] by kanzure
18:17 <@kanzure> there we go
18:18  * curt1s kills gradstudentbot 
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18:18 < curt1s> nothin huh?
18:18 <@kanzure> muted him
18:18 < curt1s> dont get me wrong i am not annoyed by him
18:18 < curt1s> i just want funnier responses
18:19 < curt1s> and a bot that learns
18:19 < curt1s> and the repeats our crap back to us in silly ways
18:19 < curt1s> then*
18:20 <@kanzure> how about buttbot
18:21 < curt1s> well
18:21 < curt1s> i would like to resurrect benzo for personal reasons
18:21 < curt1s> you can do whatever you want with buttbot
18:22 < curt1s> how about madbot (python-irclib + madlib)
18:22 < curt1s> love this stuff http://toykeeper.net/programs/mad/
18:22 <@kanzure> toykeeper used to visit here
18:22 < curt1s> nice
18:22 <@kanzure> until he became someone else
18:23 < curt1s> wha
18:23 <@kanzure> (i am not sure what the story is)
18:23 < curt1s> gender or identity reassignment?
18:23 < curt1s> or something else
18:23 <@kanzure> well it might be identity theft so i dunno
18:23 <@kanzure> it's possibly one or all of the above
18:24 < curt1s> interesting, and odd
18:25 < curt1s> andy, former #high owner (after original owner died of leukemia and went out in a blaze of drug fueled glory) and the guy who made benzo went to work for akamai
18:26 < curt1s> im sure he made loads of cash and now consults for whoever
18:26 <@kanzure> ah yes because that's the first thing i wanted to do after getting loads of cash.... consulting
18:26 < curt1s> well
18:26 < curt1s> consulting for MORE loads
18:26 < curt1s> (of cash)
18:27 < juri_> Lemminkainen: notable, but describing something as a 'expert system', and offering to show it off via a web page is not a great foot to start on, if you're talking to a Free Software Developer.
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18:39 < Lemminkainen> Believe me I know that it isn't expert enough
18:39 < Lemminkainen> But the "lol that sucks, go away" reflex so prevalent in nerd culture really grates on my nerves
18:40 < xp_prg> thanks Lemminkainen for being a positive uplifting person :>
18:42 < Lemminkainen> lol that I'm uplifting
18:42 < Lemminkainen> but thanks anyhow
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18:43  * xp_prg hugs Lemminkainen *close*
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18:48  * Lemminkainen not sure about this
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19:10 < AngryBird123> paperbot http://www.genetics.org/content/195/3/1167.short
19:10 <@kanzure> pygccxml is a useful thing
19:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3a013805bf8baab9c54e8e22de0bdf64.txt
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19:54 <@kanzure> hg clone is taking forever from bitbucket
20:00 < pasky> paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10732-009-9121-7
20:00 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/847d7503f11b8b5f658a4e36513d6019.txt
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20:18 <@kanzure> pyplusplus is weird
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20:54 <@kanzure> huh, X-named headers are deprecated http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648
20:56 < uberj> the web is full of those...
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23:07 <@kanzure> ugh fucking node
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23:07 <@kanzure> PhantomJS detected, but wrong version 1.10.0 (development) @ /usr/bin/phantomjs.
23:07 <@kanzure> Downloading http://cdn.bitbucket.org/ariya/phantomjs/downloads/phantomjs-1.9.7-linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
23:07 <@kanzure> Saving to /tmp/phantomjs/phantomjs-1.9.7-linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
23:07 <@kanzure> fuck node
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23:09 < uberj> paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=320179
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23:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20Data%20Structure%20for%20Arc%20Insertion%20and%20Regular%20Path%20Finding.pdf
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