--- Log opened Sun Feb 23 00:00:13 2014 00:02 -!- Adifex is now known as God_ 00:02 -!- God_ is now known as Adifex 00:41 -!- juri_ [juri@funkykitty.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:51 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@host81-154-253-108.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:54 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:57 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@host-80-47-103-27.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- nsh__ [~nsh@host81-154-253-108.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@host81-154-253-108.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:13 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 01:31 -!- nsh__ [~nsh@host81-154-253-108.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:31 -!- nsh__ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:31 -!- nsh__ is now known as nsh 01:55 -!- wwv [~wwv@unaffiliated/wwv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:57 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-24-36-43.ppp.as43234.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- kakashi_ [~kakashi_@bumbum.lsi.upc.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- Guest90100 [~kardan@199.254.238.172] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:52 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- saurik_ [~saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:41 -!- wallmani_ [~wallmani@162.243.55.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ielo 03:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ruthie, gradstudentbot, JayDugger 03:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Vutral, saurik, catern, EnLilaSko, wallmani, 17SAAINBO 03:43 -!- wallmani_ is now known as wallmani 03:43 -!- wallmani is now known as Guest24071 03:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ielo 03:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: JayDugger 04:04 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:04 -!- 17SAAIQJX [~yourmom@c-76-105-237-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:04 -!- kinseysix [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:04 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:04 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- wwv [~wwv@unaffiliated/wwv] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:40 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:00 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@host-80-47-103-27.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:14 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@host-80-47-103-27.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- Guest24071 is now known as wallmani 06:19 -!- wallmani [~wallmani@162.243.55.16] has quit [Changing host] 06:19 -!- wallmani [~wallmani@unaffiliated/wallmani] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@host-80-47-103-27.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10 -!- Jaakko99 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:35 < kanzure> http://blahah.net/2014/02/11/knowledge-sets-us-free/ 07:35 < kanzure> "The Liberator: A web crawler that scrapes publishers websites and submits papers along with all their supplementary files and metadata to the Liberator network. The scraping uses Zotero’s community-maintained translators which already cover all the major publishers and many minor ones. It doesn’t duplicate effort - it checks whether a paper is already free before liberating it. It can securely update over-the-air to add workarounds when ... 07:35 < kanzure> ... publishers start trying to block the crawler. It can also find databases from all commonly used reference managers and anonymise and liberate their contents." 07:35 < kanzure> "A torrent tracker with features that allow effective search and display of scientific papers. It produces RSS feeds that contain random subsets of the new papers in the network, so that new papers are evenly spread out around all seeders without anyone having to host all papers. These are minor modifications to existing open source torrent trackers, like Gazelle." 07:36 < kanzure> "Browser plugins that run Liberator whenever an academic publisher’s website is visited. This is a trivial extension to the Zotero connector plugins." 07:36 < kanzure> eh this seems to be another "just use a torrent and magically a thousand people will start seeding" fallacy 07:47 < streety> I'd be interested in how they plan to anonymize the uploads 07:49 -!- Jaakko910 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:50 -!- Jaakko99 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:56 -!- pad2 [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57 -!- pad2 [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 < streety> Do we actually know how much storage space such a project would need? How many gigabytes would you need to store all scientific articles ever published? 08:05 < kanzure> about 50 TB 08:05 < kanzure> average 1 MB/pdf * 50 million papers 08:09 < streety> it doesn't seem like that much, a fairly small team with modest storage would be viable 08:10 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:11 < kanzure> yep 08:11 < kanzure> but once you have everything, how do you make other people have everything, in a way that does not compromise your safety? 08:14 < streety> a vpn to a server in a country where they don't bother with this sort of nonsense? 08:15 < kanzure> and how do you safely pay for that server? 08:19 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@host81-154-253-150.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20 < streety> would it actually matter? If you have a plausible explanation for purchasing services from the provider would it be possible to tie you to a particular server without the cooperation of the provider? 08:21 < streety> If they have that then they will know who connects to the server and the payment is irrelevant 08:22 < streety> how does paperbot get around this issue? 08:22 < kanzure> you would have to trust that the provider would not rat you out. that's a pretty big hole in the plan, you know. 08:22 < kanzure> you're welcome to hypotheize about the function of paperbot 08:22 < kanzure> *hypothesize 08:23 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 08:31 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/343/6173/857.full 08:32 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Dendritic%20Inhibition%20in%20the%20Hippocampus%20Supports%20Fear%20Learning.pdf 08:38 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.162.47.191] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.162.47.191] has quit [Changing host] 08:38 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 < streety> kanzure: My impression is that paperbot just ignores the issue. It seems very much linked to you. 08:43 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:45 < kanzure> yep, it's a pretty bad implementation 08:46 < kanzure> but also it's not downloading the entirety of the known universe 08:46 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:50 -!- Jaakko910 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 08:52 < streety> true 08:57 < kanzure> hah http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dopamine-cryptocurrency-mining-case-by-red-harbinger 08:57 < kanzure> "dopamine" 09:00 < streety> "We are a veteran owned and operated group of guys" are veterans getting into slavery now? 09:03 -!- hehelleshin is now known as Helleshin 09:04 < streety> I thought mining had moved beyond GPUs now 09:04 < streety> seems reasonably priced though 09:13 < kanzure> i was just laughing at the name really. the other stuff doesn't look interesting. 09:14 < kanzure> scrypt mining is still gpu 09:23 < streety> which currency uses scrypt? 09:23 < kanzure> litecoin dogecoin bbqcoin etc 09:24 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-24-36-43.ppp.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:28 < streety> quite a few then 09:29 < kanzure> yes 09:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 09:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:35 < chris_99> is there no FPGA implementation? 09:36 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-24-36-43.ppp.as43234.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:40 -!- kinseysix [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:46 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:48 < streety> chris_99: I think scrypt was designed to prevent easy optimization using FPGAs or custom ASICs 09:51 -!- Zhwazi [~Zhwazi@copyfree/contributor/Zhwazi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:52 < chris_99> well i'm thinking if you can run it on a GPU i can't see anything stopping you running it on an FPGA 09:52 < chris_99> as i know at least Altera supports OpenCL too on FPGAs 09:54 < streety> maybe, I don't know that much about it. Possibly it can be tuned to make GPUs, FPGAs etc nonviable but it isn't at that point yet 09:54 < kanzure> shrug, scrypt asics are being fabricated at the moment 09:56 < kanzure> here's an fpga scrypt implementation https://github.com/kramble/FPGA-Litecoin-Miner 09:57 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b2c0:ab00:f433:6436:deb0:b626] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:58 < streety> wow, the number of hashes being done for bitcoin just seems insane http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ 10:00 < kanzure> that is a good thing 10:01 < streety> in what sense? 10:04 < nsh_> more hashpower == better security 10:04 < nsh_> (assuming decentralization) 10:05 < kanzure> it increases the cost of attacking the network 10:08 < streety> fair enough, seems very unattractive for any newcomers though 10:10 < kanzure> what? a new user gets the protection of the network. 10:13 < streety> I mean in terms of successfully mining bitcoins 10:13 < streety> I'm not arguing against it as a currency 10:14 < kanzure> oh, well, if you 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