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03:14 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | banned by the Federal Death Administration | official paperbot fan club
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06:44 < kanzure> micropipette tihng http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:255519
06:45 < kanzure> archels: only solution is to murder the teacher
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06:53 < Ulti> ohai
06:54 < Ulti> paperbot help
06:54 < Ulti> paperbot search The Scavenger Receptor Cysteine-Rich (SRCR) domain: an ancient and highly conserved protein module of the innate immune system.
06:55 < kanzure> it only takes urls
06:55 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.dl.begellhouse.com/journals/2ff21abf44b19838,1bb92ee6322077e8,51ea496923eaf9a5.html
06:55 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d188a1b683078f247d1dc1812d3e9ab3.txt
06:55 < kanzure> damn
06:56 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.dl.begellhouse.com/download/article/51ea496923eaf9a5/02-CRI-226.pdf
06:56 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9b1cf177821a76fc75ad435dae8f096b.txt
06:56 < kanzure> you're fucked
06:56 < Ulti> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14995912
06:56 < kanzure> ncbi often doesn't host the paper itself
06:56 < kanzure> i mean pubmed
06:56 < Ulti> :/
06:57 < Ulti> what was the plan to get it?
06:58 < Ulti> as in what would paperbot do that I haven't done?
06:58 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
06:58 < kanzure> it.. does things. magical things.
06:59 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7266/abs/nature08446.html
06:59 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnature08446
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08:06 < ParahSailin> i dont quite understand the csrf attack surface that using the state parameter in oauth 2.0 defends against
08:16 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure that oauth2 is completely vulnerable
08:16 < kanzure> um also, i suddenly suck at shell? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GLREkikr
08:16 < ParahSailin> yeah i realize that oauth 2 has lots of attack surface
08:17 < ParahSailin> facebook login still requires it
08:17 < ParahSailin> what is the best practice for using the state parameter
08:17 < kanzure> apparently diybio.org now has a "board of directors"
08:17 < kanzure> h/t jojack for informing me :|
08:17 < ParahSailin> thats the mailserv?
08:17 < kanzure> right.. sort of.. diybio.org was just some sight where a lot of non-institutional bio-folks rallied around. yes mostly a mailing list.
08:17 < kanzure> *some site
08:17 < kanzure> but one of the guys running it has weird incentives regarding his job or something
08:17 < ParahSailin> i think i will unsubscribe from diybio
08:17 < ParahSailin> its like an entire community of delinquentme q&a
08:18 < kanzure> "hey everyone let's all be fucking awful!"
08:18 < kanzure> man i can do that on my own thanks
08:19 < gradstudentbot> If you help me, I'll put you on the paper.
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08:20 < gradstudentbot> Is there free food at that seminar?
08:20 < kanzure> huh that's not normal behavior
08:22 < FourFire> hey, does anyone here know what happened with that experiment to give people weak infrared vision by specially feeding them an alternate type of vitamin A which would saturate the membrane of optical receptor cells of a given type and react to different wavelengths?
08:23 < kanzure> iirc there was a paper published and then the researchers fucked off?
08:25 < FourFire> so, what. there's noone going around staring oddly at objects which give off infrared?
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10:52 < ParahSailin> so for future reference, the "correct" thing to do with the oauth2 state parameter is to set the client cookie with the state string as a key, and then check that the connection finishing the auth has that key set
10:52 < ParahSailin> still dont quite understand the particular attack vector that is defending against
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10:54 < kanzure> well, there are certain restrictions about reading cookies
10:54 < kanzure> so an attacker wouldn't have the cookie if he is trying to do that other connection
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11:10 < drazak_> any R experts in here?
11:12 < kanzure> don't ask to ask
11:12 < ParahSailin> #lesswrong is full of R people
11:12 < drazak_> I don't have a particularly succient question
11:12 < drazak_> I was hoping to find someone to open a dialogue with
11:12 < drazak_> had I had a specific question to start I would lead with it
11:12 < ParahSailin> lesswrong people like stats
11:13 < drazak_> I hate stats
11:13 < ParahSailin> presumably you are using R for stats
11:13 < drazak_> indeed, attempting to hel someone with their statistics project
11:14 < kanzure> what is the dialog that you are wishing to initiate
11:14 < kanzure> how is that not the same thing as a question
11:15 < drazak_> "if this is returning this not-specific error, what am I doing wrong, here's my code" "using knitr what's the best way to display this type of gene expression data" ... etc
11:15 < drazak_> but I don't have it infront of me, so I was hopin to find someone available for a few hours around 6:15 EST
11:16 < ParahSailin> best chance is gwern because he doesnt seem to do anything else
11:16 < drazak_> seems fair
11:16 < kanzure> i think gwern's idea of a nootropic is anything that makes him blog more
11:16 < cpopell> I've met the dude, once. he's cool.
11:17 < ParahSailin> nicotine increased sentence length in blog posts by 20.0333%
11:17 < kanzure> subject unresponsive to schizophrenic threatening
11:17 < kanzure> guess that's not true
11:18 < drazak_> lol
11:18 < kanzure> (since he posted about it)
11:18 < kanzure> (which is a response)
11:19 < ParahSailin> gene expression data?
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11:21 < cthulu> and the nsa takes everyones gene expression data and coorelates it with all the other information theyve gathered
11:22 < kanzure> um?
11:22 < cthulu> suddenly psychograpic profileing
11:22 < kanzure> what provoked this
11:22 < cthulu> ParahSailin> gene expression data?
11:22 < kanzure> get the fuck out
11:22 < cthulu> lol
11:23 < cthulu> theyve been working on it for years
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11:23 < cpopell> Wat
11:23 <@kanzure> i don't care
11:23 < cpopell> The NSA doesn't give a shit about your psychographic profiling
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11:24 <@kanzure> "gene expression data, therefore nsa" is a terrible reason to give me
11:24 <@kanzure> probably intentionally bad
11:24 < drazak_> lol
11:24 < drazak_> people creating non-sequitors = persona non grata
11:25 <@kanzure> maybe, it depends
11:25 <@kanzure> one of the factors it depends on is how you explain yourself
11:26 < drazak_> heh
11:27 < ParahSailin> non sequitur and not funny = noise
11:27 <@kanzure> i wouldn't say it's just a non-sequitor either, but i'm lacking a word to identify that behavior
11:27 < ParahSailin> monomania?
11:28 <@kanzure> yes, but i wouldn't kick you if you happened to really like petri dishes and nothing else, i think
11:28 <@kanzure> i would probably kick you if you tried to associate any sentence with petri dishes, though
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13:57 < ParahSailin> nmz787: shame on you, telling him to do weird things instead of using qiagen gel extraction kit
13:58 <@kanzure> it is hilarious to hear jojack talking about "incestuous VC"
13:58 <@kanzure> (been on the phone with him for an hour)
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14:08 <@kanzure> http://jetpress.org/v19/jackson.htm
14:10 < ParahSailin> no philosophy
14:12 < ParahSailin> i always forget the scoping of closures in python is strange and unpredictable compared to javascript
14:12 <@kanzure> example?
14:13 < ParahSailin> def derp() { bla = None; def derp2() {bla = "NotNone"}; derp2(); return bla}
14:14 <@kanzure> strings are immutable, so you're creating a new string and assigning it to a a variable called bla in the derp2 scope
14:15 <@kanzure> oh, bla wasn't a string originally
14:15 <@kanzure> nope, still conforms to my expectations
14:16 < ParahSailin> kanzure: closures in python are only allowed to read from outer scope, not write
14:16 <@kanzure> tbh i don't know whether the global keyword in python can be used to refer to only the local outer scope and not the global global scope
14:17 <@kanzure> did you run into a situation where you were trying to override the outer scope's definitions and if so what is the situation
14:18 < ParahSailin> whereas (function() {var bla = null; var derp = function(){bla = "notnull"}; derp(); return bla})()
14:18 < ParahSailin> yields the sane behavior
14:20 < ParahSailin> there are lots of times where i would want the closure to mutate a value it has scope to
14:20 <@kanzure> ah his true motives "I want to be the most beneficent, wisest, holiest, person alive"
14:20 <@kanzure> as far as philosophy goes his article is not total shit
14:22 < ParahSailin> like whats the point of closures at all if you dont get to use the local scope you create it in
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18:03 <@kanzure> http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763
18:03 <@kanzure> so he just detected scigen stuff i guess, and then looked at a bunch of papers.
18:03 <@kanzure> http://scigendetection.imag.fr/main.php
18:04 <@kanzure> "Labbé is no stranger to fake studies. In April 2010, he used SCIgen to generate 102 fake papers by a fictional author called Ike Antkare [see pdf]. Labbé showed how easy it was to add these fake papers to the Google Scholar database, boosting Ike Antkare’s h-index, a measure of published output, to 94 — at the time, making Antkare the world's 21st most highly cited scientis"
18:04 <@kanzure> aha so it was this guy. damn i knew someone did it.
18:05 <@kanzure> "Last year, researchers at the University of Granada, Spain, added to Labbé’s work, boosting their own citation scores in Google Scholar by uploading six fake papers with long lists to their own previous work2."
18:06 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://hal.inria.fr/docs/00/71/35/64/PDF/TechReportV2.pdf
18:07 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1c521e4247bf6f0f148e3c6d76959d36.pdf
18:07 <@kanzure> http://membres-liglab.imag.fr/labbe/Publi/IkeAntkare/Ike_AntKare_index.html
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18:13 < ParahSailin> damn, why doesn't itertools have concatMap/bind?
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18:18 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v45/n10/full/ng.2775.html
18:18 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fng.2775
18:20 < ParahSailin> right, i guess itertools.chain composed with itertools.imap would work
18:25 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: consider using https://github.com/kachayev/fn.py
18:31 < ParahSailin> now all i need is algebraic data types and im set
18:31 <@kanzure> pyskell might be an abomination
18:35 < ParahSailin> i guarantee you this fn.py was written to spite a boss who told him he had to write it in python so that he is easier to replace; now he is punishing his boss with hideously unidiomatic python
18:36 <@kanzure> yes
18:36 <@kanzure> that's actually the context from which i know this library
18:36 <@kanzure> someone was trying to sneak it in as a dependency
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18:38 < ParahSailin> i saw something really evil the other day, someone actually did make ADTs for python in something called macropy
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20:43 < nmz787> ParahSailin: well I've done it before, knew it would work for sure, potentially a bit gentler than a spin-column
20:44 < ParahSailin> whats ungentle about a spin column
20:52 < nmz787> Gs I guess is all
20:52 < nmz787> physical ... shear?
20:52 < justanotheruser> MtGox is dead. RIP
20:54 < ParahSailin> its high force sure, but the liquid doesnt flow all that fast through the column
20:54 < nmz787> well there ya go, it would be a 'bit gentler'
20:55 < nmz787> and it is the kind of answer that comes to mind, in addition to spin columns, so I put it out there for completeness
20:56 < nmz787> (though I didn't mention spin columns as I didn't know for sure if they made Mb specific protocols with them, just had never looked for that)
20:57 < gradstudentbot> I am busy researching.
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