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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22856278 07:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-58-131.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:36 < eudoxia> paperbot http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/11575801_19.pdf 07:37 < paperbot> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='link.springer.com.sci-hub.org', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: //content/pdf/10.1007/11575801_19.pdf (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 628, in send) 07:37 < eudoxia> hm 07:38 < eudoxia> paperbot http://apps.isiknowledge.com.libproxy.unm.edu/full_record.do?product=WOS&colname=WOS&search_mode=RelatedRecords&qid=1024&SID=1BFE94Ekeg2KHDJkJJ8&page=2&doc=13 07:38 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/de16e6325ac9ab99622480f7a4e0b304.txt 07:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:38 < kanzure> libproxy.unm.edu wont work 07:39 < kanzure> through paperbot 07:39 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:41 < kyknos> paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22856278 07:41 < eudoxia> what a shame 07:42 < eudoxia> well i'll just roll my own duplicate detector 07:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-58-131.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:15 -!- Nerio [~Nerio@unaffiliated/nerio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:24 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what's wrong with apt-get on gnusha? :\ i was trying to get xsltproc but i'm encountering errors with "apt-get update" related to public keys. 08:43 -!- WORLDWARTHREE 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probability gives 50% chance for WBE (if it ever arrives) before 2059, with the 25% percentile in 2047 and the 75% percentile in 2074. WBE before 2030 looks very unlikely and only 10% likely before 2040. 09:10 < kanzure> depends on what your definition of "whole" is 09:14 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:41 < jrayhawk> kanzure: you'll need to apt-get install debian-archive-keyring every once in a while 09:41 < kanzure> doh 09:41 < kanzure> thank you 09:42 < kanzure> "The following extra packages will be installed: libc6" 09:42 < jrayhawk> I think you're on a 32-bit userspace and it's probable I installed libc6-i686 instead at some point. 09:43 < kanzure> should i avoid installing libc6? 09:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 09:49 < jrayhawk> in theory it should be Provided by libc6-i686, but it's not a big deal either way. 09:51 < kanzure> hmm now it wants to restart basically everything :| 10:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:06 < Nerio> http://i.imgur.com/uXo6APY.jpg 10:06 < Nerio> replaced this today 10:06 < Nerio> its install date was 1909 10:07 < jrayhawk> ALL WILL FLEE BEFORE THE MIGHT OF FUSETRON 10:13 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:13 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-61-200.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:19 < kanzure> how is sshd restarted without impacting existing connections? 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The blood pressure claim is also dubious but it's the glucose I really don't follow 15:30 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@rrcs-24-213-201-18.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 < chris_99> haven't looked at it, but there a lots of cheap glucose meters you can buy, but iirc you need to take a small blood sample 15:35 -!- WWIII [~tpi@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 < streety> yeah a glucose reading from a drop of blood is no issue. The claim is measuring glucose through the skin by impedance 15:38 < streety> you can also get continuous measurements using a sensor inserted under the skin. I'm just not sure about the accuracy of a system that doesn't have that level of access 15:40 < cluckj> I'd say it's bogus 15:40 < cluckj> the amount of glucose in cells doesn't have much to do with how much you eat or expend calories 15:41 < cluckj> in normal bodies the level of glucose stays about the same all the time 15:42 < cluckj> there's some research into non-intrusive (i.e. doesn't break the skin) glucose monitoring, and it relies on some pretty weird science that has nothing to do with impedance 15:47 < cluckj> http://www.diabetesmonitor.com/glucose-meters/what-happened-to-the-glucowatch.htm 15:47 < streety> Yeah, the calorie intake part is nonsense. At best it might tell you when you have eaten and the glycemic load of those meals. I was more interested in the measurement of glucose. I think I have previously seen some of that research. Utilizing the rotation of polarized light if I remember correctly 15:48 < cluckj> yeah 15:49 < cluckj> I think that at best it might tell you when you've eaten...not how much or anything useful 15:49 < streety> There seems to be an increasing number of these devices making increasingly dubious claims 15:51 < cluckj> the polarized light thing kind of works 15:51 < cluckj> I was looking at their info and you have to 'prepare' the sensor site by scraping a bunch of skin off 15:52 < cluckj> then it works pretty well under extremely controlled conditions for a little while 15:53 < streety> are there other techniques you know about? That's really the only one I've come across 15:54 < kanzure> i wonder if anyone has rigged up something for saliva expression 15:54 < kanzure> hrm "Gene silencing in mosquito salivary glands by RNAi" 15:55 < kanzure> no.. "Transformation of an oral bacterium via chromosomal integration of free DNA in the presence of human saliva" 15:55 < kanzure> not quite "Robust salivary glandā€specific transgene expression in Anopheles stephensi mosquito" 15:55 < kanzure> wrong gland "GFP expression in the mammary gland for imaging of mammary tumor cells in transgenic mice" 15:56 < kanzure> welp i'm confused. i thought there would be some biomarker from the bloodstream that gets dumped into saliva output. 15:56 < cluckj> lol 15:58 < cluckj> there's the transdermal GOx stuff that's pretty common (I have one inside me right now), the IR stuff, there's experiments with immunofluorescent dyes, the creepy 'pull glucose through your skin' watch 15:58 < kanzure> that oral bacterium one is pretty cool: "These findings are discussed in relation to the potential for acquisition of DNA sequences, including genetically modified DNA, by gut and oral bacteria." 15:58 < kanzure> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11425469 15:58 < cluckj> saliva, eye juice 15:58 < kanzure> there's one for saliva? 15:59 < cluckj> I think so 15:59 < kanzure> problem solved? 15:59 < cluckj> it probably sucks because people have to like...eat 15:59 < kanzure> i could imagine a snap-on tooth cap that you could bust out of your mouth 15:59 < cluckj> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120823143745.htm 15:59 < kanzure> or just use a poorly fitted retainer 15:59 < cluckj> lol 16:06 < streety> thanks cluckj 16:06 < cluckj> no problem 16:07 < cluckj> all those glucose monitoring systems need calibration with a blood sample a few times per day to keep them accurate 16:07 < cluckj> that's why the impedance once seems like such snake oil :) 16:11 -!- yoleaux [yoleaux@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e601] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12 -!- yoleaux [yoleaux@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e601] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:17 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.172] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- kyknos_ [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-ixrjehhpkrhnspkr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19 -!- kyknos [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-veemgiftjmnomwus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37 -!- kyknos_ [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-ixrjehhpkrhnspkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37 -!- kyknos_ [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-ahrbrdqjwtnpxxvm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b2c0:ab00:35cd:9183:4df0:ed35] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- pyotr [~hrouhan@24.60.79.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 16:47 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-158-75-23.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:50 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@238-101-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-158-74-77.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:02 -!- pyotr [~hrouhan@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17 < kanzure> http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/ 17:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@238-101-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@238-101-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.172] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 17:39 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 17:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 17:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:46 < streety> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00441-014-1810-3 17:47 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Experimental%20tools%20to%20monitor%20the%20dynamics%20of%20endothelial%20barrier%20function%3A%20a%20survey%20of%20in%20vitro%20approaches.pdf 17:49 -!- yoleaux [yoleaux@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e601] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50 -!- yoleaux [yoleaux@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e601] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@71-211-196-249.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 < streety> Awesome. I really shouldn't need paperbot, but it is so incredibly convenient 17:55 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 17:55 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 < kanzure> streety: don't you have access anyway? :) 17:57 < streety> yeah, even from home access should be trivial. I'm using the wrong link for the proxy or some other issue and paperbot is right here seducing me with it's beautiful interface 18:06 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 18:08 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@238-101-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:10 < kanzure> "do one thing well" (5% of the time) 18:14 -!- augur_ [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:17 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17 < kanzure> huh my wikipedia user id is 95883 18:18 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:18 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 18:18 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:20 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@2a00:1a28:1251:46:246:93:201:1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 < streety> is that significant? 18:25 < kanzure> to be honest i'm no tsure 18:25 < kanzure> *not sure 18:25 < Adifex> how do you find that out, kanzure? 18:26 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Export User:Xyz 18:30 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:47 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-240-73.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:16 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egcjbcqkvgcfsziu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:18 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 19:27 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@71-211-196-249.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 19:27 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:07 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 20:10 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:11 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 20:11 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:19 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:21 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:21 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 20:21 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:56 < kanzure> cluckj: do you know chris kelty? 21:29 -!- pad2 [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:34 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@host-80-47-103-27.as13285.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40 < cluckj> yeah, we met a couple times 21:40 < cluckj> he was on my friends' dissertation committee 21:40 < cluckj> why? 21:46 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:46 -!- pads is now known as Guest10043 21:51 < kanzure> cluckj: just want the inside scoop on him 21:51 < kanzure> cluckj: i've run into him often but in weird ways 21:52 < cluckj> oh? 21:52 < kanzure> i used to know him because of transhumanism reasons but then he got into diybio 21:52 < cluckj> yeah 21:53 < kanzure> i don't recall disagreeing with him about anything ever, which is unusual 21:53 < cluckj> I don't know what happened to him and diy bio stuff...I haven't seen/heard anything out of him 21:53 < cluckj> haha 21:53 < cluckj> he's a good anthropologist :) 21:58 < cluckj> I think he put out an article about the biohacker conference he put together 22:01 < kanzure> i bcc'd you on an email i just sent to him 22:01 < cluckj> okay 22:02 < cluckj> is that a new article of his? 22:03 < kanzure> turns out it is an older one.. 2005 22:03 < cluckj> oh wow 22:03 < cluckj> before his book 22:03 < kanzure> yeah 22:03 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@2a00:1a28:1251:46:246:93:201:1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05 < cluckj> he seems like a good dude, my friend liked working with him 22:06 < cluckj> and his book is excellent 22:07 < kanzure> agreed, but sometimes i wonder if he just wrote it to pander to me 22:08 < kanzure> using quotes from eugen leitl? come on, i have to be like the only person on earth that likes eleitl. 22:09 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b2c0:ab00:35cd:9183:4df0:ed35] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:09 < cluckj> lol 22:10 < cluckj> I tried working through his idea of recursive publics with regard to diy bio but the stuff isn't there, yet 22:10 < cluckj> I've seen some things happening at genspace that might fit if given some time 22:10 < kanzure> recursive publics is closer to kk's idea of genetic information of civilization in libraries 22:11 < kanzure> and something about replicating libraries of tools or something 22:11 < cluckj> kk? 22:11 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2011/04/the_library_of.php 22:11 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2007/03/bootstrapping_t.php 22:11 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/03/civilizations_a.php 22:11 < cluckj> oh 22:11 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/02/the_forever_boo.php 22:11 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2009/02/amish_hackers_a.php 22:11 < kanzure> that stuff. 22:11 < cluckj> okay 22:12 < cluckj> yeah 22:12 < cluckj> it's also about replicating the social and political contents of the spaces that created them 22:13 < kanzure> nobody infected me i'm pretty sure my knowledge is entirely the result of brain damage and reading too many emails 22:13 < cluckj> infected? 22:13 < kanzure> (okay maybe not true.. hard to say.) 22:14 < cluckj> you do enough F/OSS stuff to be at least a carrier for it :P 22:14 < kanzure> eh nevermind, i don't have a good comment on "replicating the social content" 22:14 < cluckj> lol 22:15 < cluckj> well, it's like when someone uses a f/oss tool they're enrolled in its upkeep 22:15 < kanzure> if programmer culture was the zombie plague then i would expect to see very different growth curves 22:16 < cluckj> and participate in the community, even if its submitting crash reports or something 22:16 < kanzure> do you know the history of how visa came to be? 22:16 < cluckj> the credit card? 22:16 < kanzure> http://www.fastcompany.com/27333/trillion-dollar-vision-dee-hock 22:17 < kanzure> bitcoin matches a lot of those organizational ideals in that article 22:17 < kanzure> and has a much stronger growth rate than the hypothetical programmer zombie plague (it's an actual zombie plague) 22:18 < cluckj> so that's why you're dumping your cryptocurrency? :P 22:19 < kanzure> aligning incentives 22:19 < cluckj> hah 22:20 < kanzure> if you guys all die i'm fucking doomed (at least more than i might already be) 22:20 < cluckj> trying to be patient zero, or at least typhoid mary 22:21 < kanzure> "was forcibly isolated twice by public health authorities and died after a total of nearly three decades in isolation." 22:21 < kanzure> wtf is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary 22:22 < cluckj> hahahahaha 22:22 < cluckj> okay bad metaphor 22:22 < cluckj> a little aberrant 22:24 < kanzure> also i've been using this in production for some backends for various applications i'm writing, 22:24 < kanzure> http://www.serfdom.io/docs/internals/gossip.html 22:24 < kanzure> it turns out that this is a somewhat not totally broken way of managing a cluster of services 22:24 < kanzure> and is essentially infection 22:25 < cluckj> looks viral 22:27 < cluckj> yeah 22:27 < cluckj> but that's what I mean by typhoid mary 22:27 < cluckj> the more people have btc, the more will be 'invested' in it 22:27 < cluckj> (which is what really matters for a currency) 22:31 < kanzure> "currency" 22:32 < cluckj> it's not? 22:32 < kanzure> it is weird to me that everyone has very stringent definitions of currency 22:33 < kanzure> no, it's just weird that, years ago, economicists were telling me "yeah, basically everything is shit" 22:33 < kanzure> and now i see a reversal "nope; we suddenly have a collective understanding of economics, and bitcoin does not qualify for anything under economics at all, nope" 22:33 < cluckj> lol 22:33 < cluckj> that's a goofy notion 22:33 < kanzure> s/everything/everything in economics 22:34 < kanzure> whether or not it is a currency does not physically stop me from transferring it from my account to someone else.. so i guess i don't care. 22:34 < cluckj> if people are willing to trade this set of numbers with no intrinsic value for some good and services...it's kind of a currency 22:34 < cluckj> err goods 22:34 < cluckj> but I am no economist 22:34 < kanzure> bitcoinomist 22:35 < kanzure> bitcoinonomist.. something like that. 22:35 < cluckj> bitcommunists? 22:45 < kanzure> 16:36 <+sbp> call d the distance from Karpeles to your code 22:45 < kanzure> 16:36 <+sbp> d**e is the success of your code, where e is the base of the natural logarithm 22:48 < cluckj> burn? 22:48 < kanzure> his code was terrible 22:49 < cluckj> wasn't mt gox for trading magic cards to start with? 22:50 < kanzure> only in name, there's a convoluted history of source code 22:50 < kanzure> by "history" i mean hearsay because there was never any version control 22:50 < kanzure> or testing 22:50 < kanzure> or employees 22:50 < cluckj> hah 23:02 < cluckj> goodnight 23:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:26 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:28 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:41 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:43 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:43 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 23:43 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Fri Mar 14 00:00:31 2014