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02:02 < AshleyWaffle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HizVeUHZVy0
02:02 < AshleyWaffle> ^music
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02:20 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.genengnews.com/gen-news-highlights/epigenetic-tickling-may-stimulate-cns-repair/81249699/
02:20 < Lemminkainen> shit
02:20 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v9/n8/abs/nrg2386.html
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09:13 < kanzure> http://p2pfoundation.net/Therapy_Futures
09:14 < kanzure> http://www.pccs-books.co.uk/products/regulating-the-psychological-therapies-from-taxonomy-to-taxidermy/#.Uz2IyVRDs-P
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09:39 < ParahSailin> "I'm hacking my microbiome" i hate this shit
09:40 < ParahSailin> you derped around and got statistically insignificant bullshit data
09:42 < kanzure> poop transfer is a perfectly valid way of microbiome hacking
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10:21 < FourFire> kanzure, I've heard of that type of medical treatment
10:24 < kanzure> uh yeah, medical treatment sure
10:25 < EnLilaSko> lol
10:25 < EnLilaSko> I love how some people are doing it at home
10:26 < EnLilaSko> "We collect poop, run it through a mixer, then give you a poo enema"
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10:50 < cluckj> there's an FDA hearing on fecal transplants soon
10:51 < dingo> thats one hearing i'd watch
10:51 < cluckj> one of my friends is involved
10:51 < cluckj> it should be a hoot
10:51 < FourFire> EnLilaSko, yeah, microbiome does stuff for obesity and some allergies or somethign
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12:15 < kanzure> pretty dumb method but here's a dump of p2pfoundation: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/p2pfoundation/xmldump/
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12:19 < kanzure> page titles are pretty weird "Anti-Semetic Distributed Libraries"
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12:24 < jrayhawk_> http://chriskresser.com/all-about-fecal-microbiota-transplants
12:25 < kanzure> i don't think there's any backups of p2pfoundation's wiki
12:26 < kanzure> also based on all these titles, i'm not convinced these pages are linked together at all
12:26 < jrayhawk_> http://github.com/mithro/media2iki if'n you care
12:27 < kanzure> yep i know of it, but iirc it doesn't have a method of exporting the full set of page names
12:27 < kanzure> so i wrote my own script to do that part
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12:28 < kanzure> also Special:Export breaks when exporting too much content on an over-utilized server
12:28 < kanzure> so i had to get each set of pages in chunks :|
12:28 < kanzure> but yes it should be converted to git shouldn't it
12:29 < kanzure> sort of stupid to run a wiki about p2pstuff on mediawiki
12:29 < jrayhawk_> haha
12:29 < jrayhawk_> man, we should shoot for maximum irony by trying to fork that shit to git and having them complain about it
12:30 < kanzure> michel bauwens is very accepting
12:30 < kanzure> it would take a very huge amount of irony to phase him.. hrm.
12:32 < kanzure> if you are bored would you be interested in running media2iki over the xml files and preparing a git repo?
12:32 < jrayhawk_> probably not today, but i should learn the ins and outs of that at some point
12:33 < kanzure> there's about 23,000 articles
12:33 < kanzure> all in the same namespace
12:33 < jrayhawk_> well that's convenient
12:33 < jrayhawk_> certainly a lot more convenient than the damned freedesktop.org wikis were
12:34 < kanzure> oh yeah and then there's the stupid formatting conversion?
12:34 < jrayhawk_> not necessarily; ikiwiki has a plugin for the mediawiki markup.
12:35 < kanzure> i can't decide whether to interpret that as good or bad news
12:36 < kanzure> "Evgeny Morozov on the Spinternet" ughhhh
12:36 < kanzure> "Evolving from Egocentric Competition via Sociocentric Collaboration to Worldcentric and Kosmocentric Collaboration"
12:36 < kanzure> are these people 4real
12:36 < kanzure> "Extreme Energy Initiative"
12:40 < cluckj> are these randomly generated page names...
12:40 < kanzure> nope, they are straight from a dump of http://p2pfoundation.net/
12:40 < kanzure> "Ian MacKenzie and Pravin Pillay on the Epistemology and Spirituality of Occupy Wall Street"
12:41 < kanzure> "Michel Nielsen and Michael Vassar on the Epistemology for Online Science"
12:41 < kanzure> aaahhhh fucking vassar
12:41 < kanzure> he is everywhere
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12:41 < kanzure> in my wikis, in my ircs, in my car, etc.
12:41 < cluckj> http://p2pfoundation.net/Ian_MacKenzie_and_Pravin_Pillay_on_the_Epistemology_and_Spirituality_of_Occupy_Wall_Street
12:42 < kanzure> "and how your mind has become occupied"
12:42 < kanzure> well it's become something
12:43 < cluckj> hah
12:43 < cluckj> filled with a bunch of garbage links?
12:43 < cluckj> like that wiki...
12:44 < kanzure> "Mutually Assured Production"
12:44 < kanzure> "brought to you by the paranoid schizophrenic that put kanzure in charge of some mailing list"
12:44 < kanzure> (nathan cravens)
12:44 < kanzure> http://p2pfoundation.net/Mutually_Assured_Production
12:44 < cluckj> hah
12:45 < cluckj> seems legit
12:45 < kanzure> there's no accounting for dupes,
12:45 < kanzure> http://p2pfoundation.net/Nathan_Cravens
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12:46 < kanzure> oh good they are redirects nevermind
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12:47 < kanzure> i think the entire namespace is repeated under the "Open" prefix
12:48 < kanzure> "Open-Source Decentralized Personal Semantic Web Database Communicator"
12:49 < cluckj> lol the anti-semetic distributed libraries is anti-systemic
12:50 < cluckj> :P
12:50 < kanzure> whoops
12:50 < cluckj> freudian slip?
12:50 < kanzure> i was trying to go for comedy value
12:53 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: interesting to note that the main piece of evidence one might use to guess whether or not i've seen media2iki is to note that apparently i was the last committer
12:53 < cluckj> well it has to do with the semitic web, apparently
12:55 < jrayhawk_> haha, d'oh
12:55 < ParahSailin> @diybio thread: false, geological co2 sequestration diminishes the heat rate of a coal plant by 6-8%
12:56 < kanzure> geeze the media2iki steps are annoying
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14:28 < kanzure> so the flattening that media2iki wants doesn't seem to work on this xml dump
14:28 < kanzure> juri_: it uses xsltproc. is this something you're still aware of and could poke at?
14:29 < kanzure> maybe it's a lie and the "flattening" isn't required. i don't see why formatting it like this makes it easier for xml parsers to handle: <revision> <title>first page</title> <id>1</id> <text>bla</text> </revision> (without newlines)
14:29 < kanzure> (besides, what happens when there's a newline in the text content?)
14:41 < kanzure> if i happen to stupidly use https authentication when i git push somewhere i haven't configured my agent to work yet, does git cache the https authentication stuff anywhere?
14:42 < kanzure> oh right, well, the ssh agent wont wokr with https authentication anyway. but the point is that i would use git+ssh if i did.
14:42 < kanzure> *work
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15:07 < kanzure> have i mentioned how much i dislike mediawiki
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16:22 < jrayhawk_> there's no 'caching' to speak of, but you can staticly configure stuff (see: git-config(1) ) and set up authentication daemons (see: gitcredentials(7) )
16:23 < jrayhawk_> i don't think you can agentize SSL authentication securely for use with git
16:24 < jrayhawk_> actually, i guess that's not true. you can fake it with stunnel or socat or something.
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17:35 < eudoxia> i really don't get these wikis that are full of (1) three sentence articles that are usually just an external link and (2) massive walls of text copypasted from blogs
17:35 < eudoxia> i mean, external links are not forever, but there's the archive for that. come on
17:36 < eudoxia> the p2p wiki and the OSE wiki suffer from those two exact problems, ugh
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20:19 < kanzure> #2 is because nobody trusts internet archive
20:19 < kanzure> "you are what you cache" (or what you don't cache)
20:19 < kanzure> #1 is probably because all of the articles are all created by michel bauwens applying the process of "take email, convert to mediawiki wiki article page entry"
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20:21 < kanzure> Server is slow... Waiting some seconds and retrying...
20:21 < kanzure> An error has occurred while retrieving "P2P_Energy_Economy"
20:22 < kanzure> Please, resume the dump, --resume
20:22 < kanzure> argh once again marc fawzi strikes again
20:22 < juri_> kanzure: certainly.
20:22 < juri_> however, i'm past up to my eyeballs. bitca.mp + about ten new people joined my fosscar project.
20:22 < juri_> AKA, its a project, not just a couple of people wihing its a project. and they're looking to me for leadership.
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22:35 < ParahSailin> http://libgen.org:8080/scimag/?s=10.1126/scitranslmed.3008002
22:35 < ParahSailin> http://libgen.org:8080/scimag/?s=10.1126/science.1250161
22:41 < juri_> so, make your case for why you're more important than implicitcad, linuxpmi, fosscar, createvm, and gnugift. :)
22:41 < juri_> or, as i've started calling it, "the tachikoma project".
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