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[J Vis Exp. 2013] 07:33 < archels`> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2014.58.html 07:36 < paperbot> ConnectionError: [Errno 110] Connection timed out (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) 07:37 < kanzure> hmph. 07:37 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38 < archels`> http://turingbirds.com/temp/nnano.2014.58.pdf 07:41 < archels`> http://turingbirds.com/temp/nnano.2014.58-s1.pdf 07:42 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-141-90-28.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:15 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.91.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.91.3] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:44 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:00 -!- strages_ is now known as strages 09:01 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:22 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-141-90-28.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:22 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:24 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:27 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:30 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.91.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.55.39] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 09:49 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:49 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:08 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.55.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:21 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.91.3] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:25 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:28 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh 10:36 < kanzure> maybe a giant whiteboard is not the right metaphor or model for working memory 10:36 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39 -!- snuffeluffegus [~John@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 < eudoxia> apparently my boss wrote a patch that would have disabled heartbeat in 2002 10:40 < eudoxia> but the pull request was not accepted 10:41 < kanzure> in 2002 there was no dcvs in common use so i bet it was more like a patch he submitted 10:41 < kanzure> instead of a pull reqest 10:41 < kanzure> request 10:41 < eudoxia> probably. i used pull request in an abstract kind of way 10:42 < kanzure> *dvcs 10:44 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:49 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49 -!- snuffeluffegus [~John@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:51 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:55 -!- nsh [~nsh@host217-43-194-94.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- nsh [~nsh@host217-43-194-94.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 11:05 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:14 < jrayhawk> does linux count as "common 11:14 < jrayhawk> " 11:15 < eudoxia> no 11:15 < kanzure> pushing a patch to a mailing list isn't the same thing as pls pull my diffs i think 11:16 < jrayhawk> linux was using DVCS in 2002 11:16 < kanzure> bitgater? 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13:48 < kanzure> there was some concept regarding everyone praticipating in a prediction market 24/7 (even if they choose to participate to very limited extents) 13:48 < kanzure> and that this was supposed to smooth out the actual results or something? i really forget 13:56 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58 < FourFire> kanzure, used to be? 13:58 < kanzure> well i think most of them are dead 13:59 < FourFire> kanzure, http://www.gwern.net/Prediction%20markets 13:59 < FourFire> I've heard that some of them have died 14:00 < FourFire> kanzure, I think I read some futurist fanfic involving that concept 14:00 < kanzure> extropians? yes. a lot of them were alive in the 80s, which makes them less likely to be alive now. 14:10 < FourFire> That's something which I find odd, if extropians are sort of extinct, what replaced them? 14:10 < FourFire> What is it which people who otherwise would have grown up into extropians, at this point in time label themselves? 14:11 < FourFire> is it because of the "great winter" for AI that there is a deficit of people in this culture, or has it just got a different name, and slightly different direction because of shifting values? 14:12 < FourFire> And why do I think you might know the answers to these questions? 14:17 -!- nsh [~nsh@31.55.100.115] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:18 -!- nsh [~nsh@31.55.100.115] has quit [Changing host] 14:18 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:37 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:39 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betfair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BETDAQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HedgeStreet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The%20Iowa%20Electronic%20Markets 14:40 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41 < jrayhawk> and http://www.predictionbook.com/ as a practice resource 14:41 < jrayhawk> more for training confidence levels 14:43 < kanzure> FourFire: most of the original extropians are just off doing other things now that their information well has dried up 14:43 < FourFire> Which information well is this? 14:43 < jrayhawk> http://www.gwern.net/Prediction%20markets gwern has pretty good notes on the subject 14:43 < kanzure> FourFire: there was a mad dash when the internet was first introduced to these types of people to quickly write down all of their observations, and then i think they just collectively stopped thinking about those issues in that way because they figured the internet would do it for them, or something. 14:44 < FourFire> yeah, reading old sites and archived copies of sites which don't exist any longer give me the impression of implied hastiness 14:45 < FourFire> like shit was happening at the time, or something, it gives me an odd feeling, like "well what came of all this stuff that happened 10-15 years ago?" 14:46 < FourFire> instead we have reddit, and circle jerks 14:46 < FourFire> and a handful of players who are actually visibly progressing the state of the world, and a whole bunch of hidden people silently doing so 14:47 < FourFire> I hope I can join in the latter grouÄ 14:47 < FourFire> Group* 14:47 < kanzure> uh, how would you know if there are hidden people or not? 14:47 < FourFire> well, there's different layers of "hidden" 14:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:48 < FourFire> you can find things on the internet, interesting things, if you look hard and smart enough, so many of the things I've seen are probably hidden from most redditsphere people 14:49 < FourFire> but I doubt I've seen even 5% of what's happening 14:49 < FourFire> I get the general impression that there are lots of things going on behind the scenes, so to speak 14:50 < FourFire> and from time to time, a scientific paper is released, one which suprises me because I wasn't expecting that particular advancement, and I don't go out of my way to read the titles of new papers, so I know I'm not nearly searching as hard or smart as I could 14:51 < FourFire> kanzure, would you like to add anything to that? 14:52 < kanzure> you have a very strange understanding of the world, it seems to be something like "wait for announcements of pdfs on reddit" 14:52 < FourFire> Nope, I've just got a vague grasp on how limited my mind is 14:52 < FourFire> but, sure, my understanding of the world is strange, if not for that reason 14:58 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:09 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 -!- Grool [~tpi@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-64-62.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:21 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-141-91-152.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:25 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-141-91-152.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:25 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:31 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-226-5-167.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-107-21-184-191.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:18 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjwcbkgmtvvivsxq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:28 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:28 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 < kanzure> i always feel bad about making lists in text files with - as the list item delimiter 17:44 < kanzure> because of the possible negative value connotation 17:44 < kanzure> of course i sometimes use * and [ ] but for some reason rarely + 17:48 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:56 < eudoxia> i hadn't thought about that 17:56 < eudoxia> i usually use * but sometimes - because YAML 18:05 < kanzure> ugh markup 18:06 < kanzure> often i'm not writing (in that context) to render into some other format (like html), so restructuredtext/markdown is not really a good idea 18:06 < kanzure> it's more about organizing the text itself for easy manipulation 18:06 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 18:07 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:13 < pasky_> meh (after trying out flexbot, just came by post), why is it so hard to build a (cheap) *copter that is easy to control? 18:14 < eudoxia> god markup is terrible 18:14 < eudoxia> i want something i can both exchange data and write documents with 18:15 < eudoxia> JSON and YAML only do the former, XML does both (you don't have to quote strings, so you can write docs eg DocBook with it) but it's too verbose 18:15 < eudoxia> and all the other markup formats are too limited and require extensions like pandoc's markdown 18:15 < eudoxia> ugh i'm gonna end up rolling my own 18:27 < kanzure> pasky_: i think someone dumped some of the firmware from the ardrone2 somewhere.. maybe go figure out which algorithms they are using. 18:28 < kanzure> pasky_: they seem to have a philosophy of exposing their api to their users for controlling the quadcopter 18:28 < kanzure> pasky_: so presumably this means a somewhat-easy api for maneuvering 18:30 < drazak> kanzure: were you a fan of swartz? 18:30 < kanzure> there's lots of compromising emails from me to him in his inbox 18:31 < drazak> he reply ever? 18:31 < kanzure> once or twice. nothing exceedingly interesting. 18:32 < kanzure> ooh https://github.com/musalbas/heartbleed-masstest/blob/master/ssltest.py 18:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35 < pasky_> kanzure: maybe the firmware here is even opensource.. but sadly I don't have the time :( 18:36 < pasky_> i was looking forward to just some fun flying, but taglines like "a copter anyone can fly" never come true :) 18:38 < kanzure> i don't think the firmware is open source for ardrone2 18:39 < kanzure> but, i would say it's highly flyable 18:39 < kanzure> out of box 18:39 < kanzure> here are some videos i put into a playlist about it: 18:39 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoAp0pzqLY4&list=PLgO7JBj821uHkFJYEfq2UX06Ob1bQ2JLm&feature=mh_lolz 18:40 < kanzure> first one isn't ardrone, oops 18:40 < kanzure> this is a fun talk: 18:40 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl5v3bsMH_E&list=PLgO7JBj821uHkFJYEfq2UX06Ob1bQ2JLm 18:40 < kanzure> (about programming ardrone2 with javascript/nodejs/stuff) 18:50 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-64-62.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:55 < kanzure> "Really it means (as everyone assumed in the first place) that anything a web server might have in its heap needs to be totally thrown away. Private keys. Passwords. Credit card numbers. Security questions/answers. Sessions. Anything you'd send to a web server or receive from a web server is presumed compromised." 18:56 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@33-211-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56 < kanzure> wheee "If the passwords were POSTed over and left on the heap, then they were vulnerable to being scooped up via Heartbleed, even if they are stored hashed in the database." 18:57 < kanzure> this is the best xmas for me ever 19:22 < dingo> indeed 19:22 < dingo> dynamic languages make this difficult 19:22 < dingo> in C you can just memset() the address to 0 before free() 19:22 < dingo> and w/openbsd's malloc() it just does that for you 19:22 < dingo> to 0's, rather 19:23 < dingo> but in python or ruby or java... you have no choice 19:23 < dingo> you're removed from the heap 19:23 < dingo> very few web apps are written in C :-) 19:27 < jrayhawk> diyhpl.us has an awful lot of binary CGIs; i don't actually know how most of those even get made 19:35 < kanzure> do you mean .cgi files themselves? 19:36 < jrayhawk> Yeah. 19:36 < kanzure> which ones are you thinking of? 19:36 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ file /srv/www/secure.diyhpl.us/write/*/*.cgi | grep ELF | wc -l 19:37 < jrayhawk> 43 19:37 < kanzure> oh, ikiwiki.cgi 19:37 < jrayhawk> Staticly compiled, but I never actually looked into how. 19:37 < jrayhawk> I guess it's probably just using the perl runtime...? 19:39 -!- Adifex|zzz is now known as Adifex 19:47 < dingo> could be, for speed, some people have written true C-languaged CGI's 19:47 < dingo> you could run strings on them and | grep for perl-like things 19:50 < jrayhawk> No, it's not for speed; it's due to setuid/setgid. 19:51 < jrayhawk> we're also running cgit, which is definitely the latter 20:19 < kanzure> distributed constraint satisfaction in the context of the ALICE module of the LHC http://cds.cern.ch/record/677286/files/thesis-2003-029.pdf?origin=publication_detail 20:19 < kanzure> in the project coordination sense 20:20 < kanzure> "Problem size: The size of the coordination problem is massive. The estimated number of tasks that will be executed within the 15-year project horizon, is 30,000. If we represent each task by only one variable, keep the duration fixed, and assume for each variable a temporal domain of 15 years with a resolution of 1 hour, the theoretical number of complete variable assignments would be astronomically large, (24*365*15)^30000 = 131400^30000. ... 20:21 < kanzure> ... Even if we centralise the problem and apply domain pruning and all kinds of consistency techniques, the problem remains intractably massive." 20:21 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25 < kanzure> figure 7.1 is intense 20:25 < kanzure> lots of arrows 20:28 < dingo> lol thats an enourmous figure 20:28 < dingo> echo '131400^30000' | bc | wc -l 20:28 < dingo> 2259 20:28 < dingo> like 20 pages of numbers followed by 20 pages of 0's 20:28 -!- Adifex is now known as Adifex|out 20:28 < dingo> thats like, a lot, dude. 20:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.91.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:49 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/9/1594.full 20:49 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Fpcp%2Fpcq103 21:02 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03 < kanzure> ouch there's a fun name, krzysztof 21:14 < kanzure> "A model for quantifying information leakage" aka "one weird trick for stalkers" http://ilpubs.stanford.edu:8090/1046/1/VLDB_SDM_CameraReady.pdf 21:15 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:18 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:18 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 21:22 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.91.3] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:26 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:25 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:33 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:37 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45 < kanzure> someone sent me a takedown request of http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1303/1303.6739.pdf 22:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:02 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:05 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:10 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:13 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:26 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:27 -!- xenu [~tpi@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:27 -!- xenu is now known as Guest35794 23:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:34 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:39 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:46 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:53 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:56 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Apr 12 00:00:37 2014