--- Log opened Wed May 21 00:00:11 2014 00:08 <@fenn> markdown bullet points are so ugly 00:09 -!- rayston is now known as Rayston 00:10 -!- Adifex is now known as night_ 00:11 <@jrayhawk> Asterisks, or dashes? 00:11 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o jrayhawk] by jrayhawk 00:12 -!- night_ is now known as Adifex 00:13 -!- Auctus [~Auctus@unaffiliated/auctus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:15 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:15 -!- Adifex is now known as night 00:20 <@fenn> asterisks. how do you do dashes? 00:21 < jrayhawk> Same way. 00:22 <@fenn> do they render differently? 00:26 < jrayhawk> Nope. 00:26 < jrayhawk> If it's the rendering you hate, you can feel free to throw css at either me or the repository. 00:28 < jrayhawk> https://antportal.com/wiki/ has CSS I was reasonably impressed by. 00:28 <@fenn> gah 00:29 <@fenn> apparently paperbot is dumping its debug into my shell on gnusha :\ 00:29 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-147-237-19.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:29 <@fenn> i hate how it renders two bullet points for a double indent and three bullet points for a tripled indent 00:29 <@fenn> in fact i hate bullet points 00:30 <@fenn> fuck markdown 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=154d7cd2 fenn: init >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/.gitignore 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=801ea910 fenn: scratchings >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/draft 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=035cccb5 fenn: preamble >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/draft 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=02919ed7 fenn: more sorting categories >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/draft 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b8282366 fenn: more words; increase verbiage! >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/draft 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=eddc7b86 fenn: effectiveness definition >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/draft 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=de833d64 fenn: %s/ \(\w\)/- \1/ and yamlify in general >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/draft 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e44cc84f fenn: rename >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/goals.yaml 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=9235deb1 fenn: Revert "yank hplusroadmap.draft content" >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/declaration/ 00:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=6b750cbb fenn: pull in goals.yaml >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/.gitignore 00:45 <@fenn> oh, the magic "git filter-branch --subdirectory-filter" 00:46 <@fenn> some day i'll remember how to do this stuff 00:49 <@fenn> wtf markdown, _this_ is the same as *this*? 00:52 < jrayhawk> http://wiki.freedesktop.org/testrepo/ https://secure.freedesktop.org/cgit/testrepo/tree/index.mdwn maybe this helps clarify the indenting situation? 00:53 < jrayhawk> i am not really sure what you're complaining about where 00:53 <@fenn> not really? what is doing on with 1. test translating to 1. 2. 3. 4.? 00:53 < jrayhawk> that's really the browser's doing 00:54 < jrayhawk> Just how numbered lists work. 00:54 < jrayhawk> er, ordered lists. 00:54 <@fenn> but a) there are 13 different levels of indentation, but it gets transformed into 5 because why? and b) they're all separate levels of indentation 00:55 <@fenn> anyway the bullets are distracting 00:56 < jrayhawk> Markdown has heuristics for what ranges of textual indentation apply to what sort of HTML sublisting. 00:56 < jrayhawk> That page was to partially clarify the simple cases for me. 00:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:57 <@fenn> why doesnt ---- 00:57 <@fenn> render as a horizontal rule? 00:57 < jrayhawk> Hmm? 00:57 < jrayhawk> says
right there 00:57 <@fenn> oh it is invisible here nm 00:58 < jrayhawk> oh, maybe I fucked up that bit of the CSS. 00:58 < jrayhawk> Too lazy to look. Fuck CSS. 00:58 <@fenn> CSS beats markdown 00:58 <@fenn> at least i can override CSS if i want 00:58 < jrayhawk> You know you can override markdown, right? 00:58 <@fenn> er, no? 00:59 <@fenn> there's the [!format] directive which i haven't looked at yet 00:59 < jrayhawk> Support for HTML mixing is a required part of the markdown specification. 01:00 < jrayhawk> Vitriolic attacks on how difficult it is to use are rather ironic when it is readily apparent you have never read the documentation for it. 01:01 <@fenn> i feel justified since it's supposed to be "intuitive" and "easy to use" 01:01 < jrayhawk> Is it? 01:01 <@fenn> "Markdown is intended to be as easy-to-read and easy-to-write as is feasible." 01:02 < jrayhawk> "intuitive" 01:02 < jrayhawk> is more what I am not finding. 01:02 < jrayhawk> "easy" as a lot more potential connotations. 01:03 <@fenn> there are so many wiki syntaxes and things like asciidoc and simpledoc that i've had to learn over the years and they all vary by tiny amounts in ways that are mutually incompatible some of the time 01:04 <@fenn> see i cant even remember what they're called 01:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:09 < jrayhawk> s/ as a lot/ has a lot/ 01:14 < jrayhawk> also if you're associating markdown with the concept of "wiki syntax" you're projecting motivations the authors never intended again 01:17 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d205-250-248-42.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:18 <@fenn> it's the same thing 01:18 -!- night is now known as Adifex|zzz 01:18 <@fenn> they never would have used [] for links if it weren't descended from wiki syntax 01:18 < jrayhawk> https://secure.piny.be/cgit/piny-hosting/tree/index.mdwn this is the primary intended link format. 01:22 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22 < jrayhawk> If I were a better person, I would be doing 72 or 80 column linebreaking on those paragraphs. 01:26 < jrayhawk> Reversed Mediawiki links do not make for smoothly readable READMEs. 01:29 <@fenn> The bikeshed color should be ... 01:29 <@fenn> ...blue of course 01:40 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:51 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-147-237-19.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5c7ecb26 fenn: test inline declaration syntax >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/declaration/ 01:58 < paperbot> ConnectionError: [Errno 111] Connection refused (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) 01:58 <@fenn> uh oh i broke everything 02:00 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-91.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:32 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:33 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:48 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:01 -!- ParahSailin 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http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/declaration/ 06:45 < eudoxia> i should move the cryopatients list from the transhumani wiki to a YAML file 06:49 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b7e7f33d fenn: test format directive >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/goals.yaml 06:49 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8f9dda50 fenn: Merge branch 'master' of /srv/git/diyhpluswiki >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ 06:50 <@fenn> weird it deleted the link 06:52 <@fenn> ikiwiki doesn't seem to like nesting directives inside other directives 06:52 <@fenn> maybe i should be using templates instead? 06:53 <@fenn> it seems like you should be able to inline a file (transclude it) but also get code highlighting 06:54 < gradstudentbot> Where's my pellets? 06:54 <@fenn> and then "toggle" collapse/expand it 06:54 <@fenn> you can do all these things separately but not together 06:57 < gradstudentbot> Did you do that pset? 06:58 -!- ebowden 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https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4c8b9204 fenn: remove non functioning directive code >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/goals.yaml 07:13 <@fenn> what the bloody fuck 07:15 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8a7ed8fe fenn: attempt to appease our bullet-point gods >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/goals.yaml 07:16 <@fenn> huh adding whitespace after the list worked 07:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:38 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:56 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:21 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-227-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:28 < kanzure> what was wrong with bullets? 08:28 < kanzure> or the way the file was 08:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined 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A bunch of those sites haven't published a new post in more than 6 09:38 < nmz787_i> months... what is your limit for considering a blog active? 09:38 < nmz787_i> (amplino, openpcr) 09:38 < nmz787_i> How about non-self-published blog noise (most posts on glowingplant 09:38 < nmz787_i> aren't actually about their own project)? 09:38 <@fenn> when you expect flutes it's whistles 09:40 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:57 < kanzure> i dunno if it matters if they are active or not, the internet does not discriminate the age of your content 09:59 < kanzure> it's unfortunate that mac has hired a blogger for diybio.org 09:59 < kanzure> why not hire someone to, i dunno, build things 09:59 < kanzure> instead of reading rss feeds and an inbox 10:00 < kanzure> it's not like labor is dramatically more expensive than rss labor 10:00 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:16 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-91.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:27 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 < chris_99> am i right/wrong in thinking scientists 100 yrs or so ago, had a broader range of interests than those now 10:28 < chris_99> *scientific interests 10:28 < ParahSailin> probably right 10:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-227-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 < FourFire> chris_99, there's much more specialization, sure 10:29 < FourFire> There's more things to learn about a given field and more fields, period 10:30 < chris_99> i quite like the idea of having a broader range of knowledge, as you could maybe find connections between different areas, that you wouldn't if you specialized very deply 10:30 < chris_99> *deeply 10:31 < kanzure> having a broader range of knowledge these days is harder to demonstrate because it sounds like you're just regurgitating content 10:32 < chris_99> hmm, not if you actually practice in those areas too though 10:32 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:37 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-91.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:43 < chris_99> i would like to become a gentleman scientist ;) if i could just win the lottery... 10:43 < kanzure> why would you need to win the lottery? 10:44 < chris_99> just for the funding, then one could do it full-time, without needing to worry about subsidising it 10:44 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 10:44 < kanzure> there are other ways of accumulating piles of money besides lotteries.. entirely more efficient methods too. 10:45 < eudoxia> yeah like kanzure's script that mines new cryptocoins 10:46 < chris_99> hmm i wonder if you can apply to funding bodies like the EPRSC without belonging to a uni 10:48 < kanzure> eudoxia, all my other income comes from software consulting and software contracting 10:49 < eudoxia> kanzure: i noticed there isn't a link to heybryan.org/resume.pdf on your page, is that intentional? 10:50 < kanzure> it's because of this epic struggle between (1) the fact that i am bombarded with more offers than i can deal with and (2) my interest in being paid large amounts of money and (3) how much i dislike working 10:50 < kanzure> i'm afraid that if i actually put effort into marketing my work, i might have to do even more work 10:51 < kanzure> and who the fuck wants that? 10:51 < eudoxia> i assumed (1) 10:51 < juri_> :) 10:52 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:54 < kanzure> world's pretty crazy out there at the moment 10:54 < kanzure> degree holders with 4 years of education and 0 years of experience getting $100k offers.. so what do you think people with 3, 5, 10 years of experience can nail? etc 10:54 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:57 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.101.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.101.74] has quit [Changing host] 10:57 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:00 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:22 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:26 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@216.64.169.10] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@216.64.169.10] has quit [Changing host] 11:39 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:46 < heath> contacts in phoenix? 11:46 < heath> does anyone have contacts in phoenix?* 11:47 < heath> it's strange when you're talking to a higher up in government 11:47 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 < heath> ~2 contacts away from the president of the US 11:48 < heath> well..1 11:48 < heath> pres -> advisor -> person i talk with 11:48 < kanzure> heatsync is in phoenix i think? 11:48 < heath> right 11:48 * heath is idling in the room 11:48 < kanzure> their resident transhumanist is Jacob Rosenthal 11:48 < heath> not as much activity as the hackerspace in hsv (huntsville) or even bna (nashville) 11:49 < kanzure> why do you only have villages 11:50 < gradstudentbot> Who the hell stole my pipette? 11:57 < Mokstar> yay, my 23andme results are back 11:57 < chris_99> do they give you raw DNA data now, i forget 11:57 < Mokstar> oh neat, I'm related to jimmy buffet 12:00 < Mokstar> chris_99, yes, but no health analysis 12:01 < chris_99> how much does that cost ye 12:01 < Mokstar> ooh, I've got 3.1% Neanderthal 12:01 < Mokstar> 23andme doesn't sell that anymore 12:01 < Mokstar> I'll have to get it done on my own 12:03 < chris_99> i think i'd rather not know if i've got disease X though 12:03 < Mokstar> what's a good service to analyze this data? 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19:38 < kanzure_> no 19:38 < QuantumG> it's not bad 19:45 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:47 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:49 < kanzure_> if you wanted an efficient government system of granting time-limited commerce-limited monopolies, why should it have anything to do with "technology disclosure"? 19:50 < QuantumG> you shouldn't :) 19:50 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:51 < kanzure_> i'm just contemplating ideas about abolishing the patent system; really i seem to care more about the patent system leaving technology alone more than anything 19:51 < kanzure_> you will not be able to convince everyone to give up their patents because "you will be destroying trillions of dollars" 19:52 < kanzure_> but you could possibly convince them to get rid of the technology component to patents 19:52 < kanzure_> (disclosure of technical machines can happen some other way, like through the public domain or something) 19:52 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:52 < QuantumG> so, do you agree with me that trade secrets are better than patents? 19:52 < QuantumG> (because at least trade secrets can be busted by interested reverse engineers) 19:52 < kanzure_> i'm not sure, what are the trade secrets keeping secret? 19:53 < QuantumG> how to make stuff, probably 19:53 < kanzure_> i don't think that trade secrets are better or worse than patents for disclosing technology 19:53 < kanzure_> at least with a trade secret you can choose whatever representation of the data you want 19:53 < kanzure_> so it's probably better 19:55 < kanzure_> (rather than "serialize to legalese" as the de facto mandatorial standardo) 19:56 -!- nmz787_i1 [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-ysxzafgjqiuzwcfk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:56 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:58 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:58 < kanzure_> and if patents lose their technology component, you could possibly shift them to be more about dividing up legal protection regarding commerce revenue or something for different industries... it sounds preposterous, but it's just a more efficient way of saying what the current system is trying to say anyway. 19:59 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- Qfwfq_ [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:02 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.55.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:03 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:03 < kanzure_> not sure how to make that seem less ominous. the current situation has a bunch of advantage by way of obfuscation and indirection. 20:03 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: yoleaux 20:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: yoleaux 20:06 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:07 < QuantumG> then you'll get secrecy and protectionism 20:07 < QuantumG> current situation: I won't bother reverse engineering this because I could just go read the patent, and even when I know how, the government will stop me from using that knowledge 20:07 < QuantumG> your situation: I won't bother reverse engineering this because even if I succeed the government will stop me from using that knowledge. 20:07 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:07 < QuantumG> my situation: the government protects no-one, there's a lot more secrecy, but also a lot more reverse engineering. 20:07 < kanzure_> no, in "your situation", the government would not stop you from using the knowledge 20:08 < QuantumG> apparently this is bad because only big companies can do reverse engineering.. little companies need to be protected. I've never seen any proof of this assertion. 20:08 < kanzure_> (or could you explain how/why it would? remember, in "your situation", patents have lost their technology component) 20:08 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Qfwfq, xmj 20:08 < QuantumG> yeah, so instead they're carving out markets 20:09 < QuantumG> right? 20:09 < kanzure_> yes, probably some additional tax revenue or some shit, i have no idea 20:09 < kanzure_> "participatory patent tax" 20:09 < QuantumG> Microsoft gets the software market (or some bit of it), so what's the point of trying to make a better word processor now? 20:09 < kanzure_> rate-adjusted by industry or some crap haha 20:10 < kanzure_> that "the point" was never the point 20:11 < kanzure_> there was a fairly fascinating empirical study that shows that patents actually reduce innovation 20:11 < kanzure_> the study was done by someone who was pro-patents, and then he looked at his data and frowned 20:11 < kanzure_> *innovation and related incentives 20:11 < QuantumG> compared to what? 20:11 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:11 < kanzure_> http://archive.mises.org/18812/andrew-torrance-patents-and-the-regress-of-useful-arts/ 20:12 < QuantumG> I remember reading this a while ago.. but I'm not reading it again, so help me out 20:12 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:12 < kanzure_> yeah i don't remember that detail, sorry 20:13 < kanzure_> at the moment if you have a word processor patent, you can reasonably get it in front of a judge and extract some revenue 20:14 -!- brownies [~brownies@unaffiliated/brownies] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14 < kanzure_> (patent licensing revenue is the name of this particular game) 20:20 < QuantumG> .. and? 20:20 < kanzure_> huh? i was responding to your microsoft point 20:21 < kanzure_> heh what if it was a guessing game, where you had to come up with some n-digit number, and the closest guesses get the patents/markets awarded to them, based on some distance or something 20:21 < kanzure_> and then it's some weirdo "monopoly lottery" 20:24 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 20:26 < kanzure_> hrm i suppose that's more random than "have a bunch of wizards show up in court and say things about magic that nobody understands" 20:27 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:28 < QuantumG> that's gunna be around no matter what you do 20:28 < QuantumG> if there's no patent system, the court cases will be about whether or not Bob violated his employment contract when he left to go work for a competitor 20:29 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:29 < kanzure_> yeah but if the courts are just going to end up in a wishy-washy interpretation battle (like the same one that happens over the constitution), you might as well have the USPTO settle the argument ahead of time by doing its job (granting monopolies, definitively or something) 20:29 < QuantumG> see, for example, John Carmack and the Occulus Rift. 20:29 < kanzure_> if you're not going to write down what you're actually granting the patenteeor, then you're really just deferring it to the court case, and for sufficiently magical things, it's more or less random either way too 20:29 < kanzure_> because often legalese is either too specific or overly general 20:29 < kanzure_> and you can't figure out what parts the uspto was really intending to grant 20:30 < kanzure_> QuantumG: is there a court case about that particular one? 20:30 < QuantumG> http://popcultureblog.dallasnews.com/2014/05/zenimax-and-id-software-have-filed-a-lawsuit-against-oculus-vr-and-dallas-based-john-carmack-is-in-the-middle.html/ 20:30 < QuantumG> .title 20:30 < yoleaux> Zenimax and Id Software have filed a lawsuit against Oculus VR, and Dallas-based John Carmack is in the middle 20:31 < kanzure_> i knew there was something problematic about his job switch, didn't know it was a lawsuit yet 20:32 < QuantumG> almost every announcement of a company with deep pockets acquiring a smaller outfit is accompanied by them. 20:34 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:42 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:43 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:59 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:02 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:07 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:09 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:12 -!- pilenin [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:15 < QuantumG> http://quantumg.net/aprt-short.gif because animation 21:16 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 < kanzure_> QuantumG: can you render that using electrostatic potential maps instead? kthx 21:17 < kanzure_> and if transparency is an option then enable that 21:17 < kanzure_> mayavi2 might have this 21:17 < QuantumG> doing that now (no transparency) 21:18 < kanzure_> it's pre-computed, so rendering is fast, right? 21:18 < QuantumG> it's reasonably fast, yeah 21:18 < QuantumG> ~15 sec per frame 21:22 < QuantumG> http://quantumg.net/aprt-short-surface.gif 21:22 < kanzure_> hrm 21:22 < kanzure_> cool 21:23 < QuantumG> purple = PRPP binding site, blue = adenine binding site .. this is 7 different homologs 21:23 < QuantumG> I have two more, but I dropped them cause they're long form, not short form, so they look too out of place 21:25 < QuantumG> http://quantumg.net/both.html 21:26 < kanzure_> do you have any good papers on rational protein design? 21:28 < QuantumG> Beyond directed evolution—semi-rational protein engineering and design, Directed evolution made easy, Microfluidic Compartmentalized Directed Evolution, Protein Design by Directed Evolution, Recent trends in biocatalysis engineering 21:29 < kanzure_> yes microfluidic compartmentalized emulsion stuff is fun 21:29 -!- justanotheruser is now known as justanotheruser1 21:29 < kanzure_> but iirc there are some people that know how to get specific holes and arms on proteins these days? 21:29 -!- justanotheruser1 is now known as justanotheruser 21:30 < QuantumG> so that first paper tells me 21:31 < kanzure_> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982887/pdf/nihms235064.pdf 21:31 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:31 < kanzure_> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982887/pdf/nihms235064.pdf 21:31 < paperbot> ConnectionError: [Errno 111] Connection refused (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 625, in send) 21:31 < kanzure_> o_____o 21:32 < kanzure_> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982887/pdf/nihms235064.pdf 21:32 < paperbot> TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 825, in text) 21:32 < kanzure_> back to the drawing board.. 21:32 < kanzure_> did people used to have drawing boards to go to? 21:33 < QuantumG> yeah, gimme 3 minutes 21:33 < kanzure_> nah, ncbi has it 21:33 < kanzure_> i just wanted paperbot to archive it 21:33 < kanzure_> it is usually capable of archiving a public access pdf 21:36 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36 < QuantumG> http://quantumg.net/both.html added links 21:39 < kanzure_> in the ncbi-hosted pdf, there's a reference to a study where tunnels in proteins were improved by a handful of different amino acid residues 21:40 < kanzure_> prolly applies to every protein-with-a-hole in that protein family 21:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:45 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-80-203-231.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-235-239-238.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:46 < QuantumG> "Directed evolution made easy" is about PACE. You've heard of that? 21:46 < kanzure_> yes 21:47 -!- Mokstarboush [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:47 < kanzure_> wait.. acronym overload. 21:47 < kanzure_> is it this one? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/A%20system%20for%20the%20continuous%20directed%20evolution%20of%20biomolecules.pdf 21:47 < QuantumG> yup 21:48 < kanzure_> the t7 rna pol one 21:48 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:49 < kanzure_> i don't remember the details of this method. did they have a library of different phages? 21:51 < kanzure_> aha, accessory plasmid and mutagenesis plasmid 21:52 < QuantumG> "First, a crucial gene for phage replication is removed from the phage’s genome and placed in an ‘accessory plasmid’ in E. coli. Expression of this gene can then be tied to a wide range of biological activities," 21:53 -!- Qfwfq_ is now known as Qfwfq 21:54 < QuantumG> "Engineered bacteria and phage are then placed in vessels called lagoons, such that a continuous stream of E. coli move in and out of the vessel. The E. coli only stay in the lagoon for about 20 or 30 minutes, just long enough for phage infection and replication to occur. Only phage that activate 21:54 < QuantumG> the essential gene in the E. coli plasmid can reproduce and infect incoming bacteria. The better the phage is at inducing gene expression in the accessory plasmid, the more phage are produced." 21:57 < QuantumG> .. and, ya know, it's all glassware. 21:57 < kanzure_> their transfection method doesn't seem to require calcium chloride what's going on 21:57 < kanzure_> is that legal 21:58 < QuantumG> (if that's a joke, I missed it) 21:58 < kanzure_> "by heat shock" 21:58 < kanzure_> "NEB Turbo competent cells" 21:59 < kanzure_> oh, electroporation too 21:59 < kanzure_> electroporation sort of counts as glassware 22:00 < sheena> someone is putting new DNA markers in Ecoli? 22:00 < sheena> i heard it on the radiooo 22:00 < nmz787> hi didly ho 22:00 < kanzure_> nucleotides 22:00 < nmz787> nuculartides 22:00 < nmz787> its pronouced nucular 22:01 < gradstudentbot> I am busy researching. 22:04 < Mokstarboush> New cule-air, Ms. Aisles. 22:04 < kanzure_> .ety nuclear 22:04 < yoleaux> nuclear (adj.): "1846, "of or like the nucleus of a cell," from nucleus + -ar, probably by influence of French nucléaire. Use in atomic physics is from 1914; of weapons, from 1945. Hence nuclear physics (1933), nuclear energy (1941), nuclear war (1954)." — http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=nuclear 22:04 < kanzure_> .ety nucléaire 22:04 < yoleaux> Sorry, I couldn't find the etymology of that. 22:05 < Mokstarboush> .ety jazz hands 22:05 < yoleaux> Sorry, I couldn't find the etymology of that. 22:05 < kanzure_> .ety nucleus 22:05 < yoleaux> nucleus (n.): "1704, "kernel of a nut," 1708, "head of a comet," from Latin nucleus "kernel," from nucula "little nut," diminutive of nux (genitive nucis) "nut," from PIE *kneu- "nut" (cognates: Middle Irish cnu, Welsh cneuen, Middle Breton knoen "nut," …" — http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=nucleus 22:05 < kanzure_> "little nut" :) 22:08 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:09 < Mokstarboush> yay! 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