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02:45 < eleitl> Can anyone download http://www.jove.com/video/51075/aplysia-ganglia-preparation-for-electrophysiological-molecular ?
02:46 < eleitl> Jove seemed to have changed something on their end, so bypassing the paywall doesn't work anymore.
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03:13 < archels> paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1017164
03:14 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2f1d7227fb9ce79b37a06b3f8fce4aad.txt
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03:17 < archels> paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=1017168&jid=CQH&volumeId=16&issueId=03&aid=1017164&toPdf=true
03:17 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/15705fc69b1ccdd15b005334728e1486.pdf
03:17 < archels> <3
03:18 < archels> ("Becoming Borg to Become Immortal: Regulating Brain Implant Technologies")
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03:44 < archels> www.biofag.com <- what the fuck?
03:57 < eleitl> paperbot: http://www.jove.com/video/51075/aplysia-ganglia-preparation-for-electrophysiological-molecular
03:58 < eleitl> howdy archels
04:03 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2dd7fb4fb80510c0673ce53801fec360.txt
04:04 < eleitl> anyone a Jove subscription?
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06:12 < archels> hey eleitl, how goes it?
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06:24 < dpk> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-968X.1965.tb00318.x/abstract
06:24 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9574031370aeacd38134319aeec2d4ca.txt
06:25 < dpk> sadneſs
06:25 < dpk> PUBLICATION_OUTSIDE_OF_LICENSE_PERIOD?
06:27 < dpk> Wiley Online Library is not a library, i'm coming to learn
06:27 < dpk> if the principal function of a library is to allow access to information, Wiley Online Library is in the business of hiding information
06:29 < dpk> University of York apparently doesn't feel that Wiley Online Library is worth paying for, so i can't access that article
06:32 < eudoxia> http://lesswrong.com/lw/343/suspended_animation_inc_accused_of_incompetence/2yv5
06:33 < eudoxia> ,--8<-
06:33 < eudoxia> |>
06:33 < eudoxia> |
06:33 < eudoxia> |If CI were trying to just look good wouldn't they hire someone to make their website better?
06:33 < eudoxia> `-->8-
06:33 < eudoxia> whoah irssi calm down
06:37 < dpk> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cpe.1722/abstract
06:38 < dpk> nope?
06:38 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1f003ecec728727cd0bece4e06d3c3bd.txt
06:39 < dpk> right, so it can't get Wiley articles at all?
06:39  * dpk farts in Wiley's general direction
06:40 < gradstudentbot> My matlab crashed.
06:40 < eudoxia> http://www-hagi.ist.osaka-u.ac.jp/research/papers/201201_ino_ccpe.pdf ?
06:44 < dpk> eudoxia: i wasn't interested in the particular paper, i just picked it at random to see if paperbot could get it from Wiley, since i run into this problem quite often (need an article, it's only available from Wiley)
06:44 < eudoxia> ah, ok
06:44 < dpk> i used to have the same problem with Oxford Journals but i now have access to a proxy for that
06:44  * dpk wonders if paperbot can do those
06:46 < dpk> paperbot: http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/content/61/1/1.full.pdf+html
06:47 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20Severn%20Sea%20Islands%20in%20the%20Anglo-Saxon%20Chronicle.pdf
06:47 < dpk> yay, apparently do
06:47 < dpk> *so
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06:49 < gradstudentbot> Oh that's interesting, do you want to write a paper together?
06:49 < archels> eleitl: got that jove video if you want it
06:49 < dpk> gradstudentbot!
06:50 < gradstudentbot> Grant submitted.
06:50  * dpk pokes gradstudentbot suspiciously
06:50 < gradstudentbot> I am busy doing science, go away.
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06:52 < dpk> paperbot: http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/content/s7-IV/84/109-j.full.pdf+html
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06:52 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c28c50f41166d1ee6830314b0c07bb0e.txt
06:52 < dpk> hmm, not always though
06:52 < dpk> that's a particularly egregious failure as that paper should be out of copyright now
06:53 < dpk> but probably a policy stupid rather than a paperbot stupid
06:56 < gradstudentbot> Let's pour a bunch of chemlights into a spinner flask and claim it's luminescent e.coli.
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07:02 < eleitl> archels: download earl plox
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07:03 < eleitl> it hangs quite nicely, thanks for asking
07:05 < archels> http://itfromb.it/51075.mp4
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08:16 < eleitl> thanks, archels
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09:38 < kanzure> gah please tell me someone else in here archived all the jove videos when we had the chance
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09:39 < kanzure> eudoxia: hah! "FWI, I'm considering cryonics and one thing that has set off warning bells is how bad the CI and Alcor websites are (CI is much worse of the two)."
09:41 < kanzure> dpk: yes, it's often not clear whether paperbot failures are access problems, parsing problems, or the subclasses of each type of problem domain..
09:42 < dpk> oh hey kanzure
09:42  * dpk nods
09:43 < kanzure> so, i've offloaded a lot of work by just using zotero translators, but that's a schlep for me not having to rewrite all of them
09:43 < kanzure> ultimately i think that zotero could be better served by using translators/scrapers/parser-things that are *not* zotero-only, so that an even larger community can help maintain them
09:43 < kanzure> erm, "not zotero-only" meaning "can be used outside the context of xulrunner, gecko, firefox"
09:44 < dpk> right
09:44 < dpk> so you were looking at rewriting paperbot with Node so you could use the scrapers directly?
09:44 < dpk> or did i misunderstand
09:44 < kanzure> well... sort of correct. i was thinking i'd provide javascript modules that zotero could consume down-stream.
09:45 < dpk> i see
09:45 < kanzure> the existing zotero translators are very browser-specific
09:45 < dpk> right
09:45 < dpk> well, that can be worked around
09:45 < kanzure> it could, but i have to decide if that's something worth doing, versus the temporary pain of me spending a day rewriting all of them
09:45 < dpk> can you give me an example of somewhere it's browser-specific?
09:45 < kanzure> one of the advantages of rewriting all of them is that i can apply consistency and debuggability to the mix
09:46 < dpk> i mean, it's not hard just to work around them, heh
09:46 < kanzure> sure, let me randopick https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/ACM.js
09:46 < dpk> you can easily make a DOM in Node and then run JS in the context of that. you can even run jQuery on the server doing that
09:46 < kanzure> *randpick
09:46 < kanzure> yep i agree about DOM stuff
09:47 < kanzure> there's lots of Zotero.debug and Zotero.Utilities.HTTP.doGet stuff, so you'd have to write an interface for those things
09:47 < kanzure> var translator = Zotero.loadTranslator("import"); <--- this should be replaced with commonjs-type stuff
09:47 < dpk> hmm, i see
09:48 < kanzure> the testcases in the file are also a little wonky... you should commit the html of the page so that you can test offline
09:48 < kanzure> but instead they have urls to active content
09:48 < dpk> what is the Zotero object? is that just a common suite of utility functions?
09:48 < kanzure> it's their entire library i thinks
09:48 < kanzure> https://github.com/zotero/zotero/blob/4.0/components/zotero-service.js
09:49 < kanzure> possibly makeZoteroContext or ZoteroService in here
09:49 < gradstudentbot> You used the wrong formula.
09:49 < dpk> i see
09:50 < kanzure> ugh i dunno if i want to dig through this at the moment https://github.com/zotero/zotero/tree/4.0/chrome/content/zotero
09:51 < dpk> eek, yeah, that's a lot of stuff
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09:52 < kanzure> so the advantage is that they have 200k users, and they fix their translator-parsers when they break, and the developers like my idea of abstracting away the parsers from xul-stuff
09:52 < kanzure> so if i actually presented them with a working alternative they would probably implement
09:52 < dpk> right
09:52 < kanzure> i mean, they would probably merge or dump their current junk
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10:13 < ParahSailin> does excel somehow know i pirated it and punish me by using 100% cpu whenever i have something on clipboard?
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10:20 < delinquentme> kanzure, /.join #git
10:20 < delinquentme> lulzzzzzzzz
10:22 < kanzure> what do you want
10:23 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you want to merge that without the 'passwords' being scrubbed?
10:23 < kanzure> i am still deciding
10:23 < delinquentme> or do you want me to wipe them from history
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10:29 < delinquentme> we've got 4 forks out already with the passwords in them.  If we scrub the passwords from history it would be useless unless those guys rebased.
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10:33 < kanzure> it was already merged
10:35 < kanzure> "In 2014, there are still hospitals that are not totally converted to electronic medical records [in the United States]."
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10:44 < archels> http://cs.nyu.edu/~zaremba/docs/understanding.pdf
10:44 < archels> bit of an oh noes for artificial neural networks
10:45 < delinquentme> wasnt there a startup whos claimed they're approaching whole blood manufacturing?
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10:47 < kanzure> "In addition, the specific nature of these perturbations is not a random artifact of learning: the same perturbation can cause a different network, that was trained on a different subset of the dataset, to misclassify the same input."
10:47 < kanzure> that sounds like magic?
10:48 < delinquentme> LEVAN?
10:49 < archels> well, the adversarial examples were generated in input space
10:49 < kanzure> it was something madras
10:49 < archels> it might mean that these different architectures transform the input space in a similar manner
10:49 < kanzure> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IIT-Madras-ready-for-mass-production-of-artificial-blood/articleshow/17990139.cms
10:49 < kanzure> "IIT-Madras scientists have blood on their hands — and nobody is complaining. A team of scientists from the department of engineering design has been successful in creating enough red blood cells from stem cells to be used as 'artificial blood' in people who need transfusion"
10:50 < kanzure> and that one called arteriocyte
10:51 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2010/08/04/arteriocyte-produces-artificial-blood-sends-to-fda-for-approval/
10:53 < kanzure> archels: oh, over the same dataset. well ok. the same inputs can cause the same sorts of vulnerabilities/errors.
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11:14 < delinquentme> http://www.compassbiomed.com/nanextrade-expansion-kit.html
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11:15 < delinquentme> so they're expanding on umbilical cord blood.
11:15 < delinquentme> How the fuck do we get to WORKING synthetic nano / micro / macro structures faster?
11:17 < delinquentme> the more macro the structure the easier it will be
11:17 < seba-> Trans Universe Zombie Church of the blessed ringing will perform same-sex weddings, as the first officially recognized religious community in Slovenia.
11:17 < FourFire> delinquentme, build shit which can build shit which can build them?
11:17 < delinquentme> so I supposed thats a starting point.
11:17 < FourFire> theoretical blueprints?
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11:17 < FourFire> "I just invented this large molecule, it's a nanobot grabber arm"
11:18 < delinquentme> Ok I gotta go grab lunch ... but like
11:18 < delinquentme> How do we find out whats the sufficient "module" which we can implant hepatocytes into ... and get useful cells
11:19 < delinquentme> like clearly my femur is a working module as I'm typing
11:19 < delinquentme> how do we extract it :D
11:19 < delinquentme> lol not mine ... but like that working module
11:19 < delinquentme> OK OUT!
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12:15 < kanzure> http://cryptome.org/2014/05/monsegur-sentencing.htm
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12:41 < kanzure> ParahSailin: so here's an idea for why lab equipment is still expensive,
12:41 < kanzure> suppose you have someone that makes a super cheap piece of equipment
12:41 < kanzure> often in molecular biology you really need the full set of tools to do anything productive
12:41 < kanzure> and if the other tools in the set still cost a crapload, the utility to your customer of just buying one cheap thing is less because they need the other devices anyway
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12:48 < ParahSailin> wouldnt that same behavior predict high prices at a grocery store as well?
12:49 < kanzure> grocery store has other dynamics at play, like "people have been cooking for a very very long time, and families didn't pricejack each other, and this trend continues to this day"... maybe.
12:49 < kanzure> alternatively, how much does an electric stove cost?
12:49 < kanzure> nvm electric stove would be competing with the other low-priced items in cooking/food
12:50 < kanzure> iirc commercial kitchen equipment may be expensive, though
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14:10 < kanzure> fenn: ah here's the gyro thing i was talking about, http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/high-end-cnc-machines-cant-b.html
14:10 < kanzure> .title
14:10 < yoleaux> High-end CNC machines can't be moved without manufacturers' permission
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14:19 <@fenn> are you kidding.. they can make nuclear bombs but they can't figure out how to disable some flunky GPS tracker
14:20 < kanzure> i bet you could make money selling a service to disable them hah
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14:22 < ParahSailin> i dont think it is saying that iran had these machines
14:22 < kanzure> cnc machines can make nuclear bombs
14:22 < ParahSailin> just that a similar attack to stuxnet could be done on these machines
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14:23 <@fenn> speaking of commercial kitchen equipment, this is about 6 times cheaper than the equivalent consumer grade version (it seems to be cheaply made tho go figure) http://www.webstaurantstore.com/8-light-tin-springform-cake-pan/407CPSF8.html?utm_source=Amazon#reviews
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14:23 < ParahSailin> ah, read that as present tense, not subjunctive
14:23 < kanzure> congratulations you're now my go-to grammar person
14:23 < kanzure> .wik subjunctive
14:23 <@fenn> it's not necessarily that "commercial is more expensive"
14:23 < yoleaux> "The subjunctive is a grammatical mood found in many languages." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive
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14:24 < kanzure> maybe it's one of the four humors
14:24 <@fenn> subjunctive is like "if i were rich,"
14:25 < kanzure> i think it may be just a gyro + software lock
14:25 <@fenn> there's no real good examples in english
14:25 <@fenn> ok whatever, either way they can disable the stupid thing
14:25 <@fenn> the DRM of the machine tool world
14:26 < kanzure> i bet they come with key dongles
14:26 < ParahSailin> subjunctive tense is a thing in english, just for most verbs the conjugation is the same as past tense
14:26 < kanzure> "for security reasons, this cnc machine can only be used when the dongle is inserted"
14:26 <@fenn> that's what those blue jumpsuit guys were
14:26 < kanzure> "on a related note, the cnc cad software can also only be used with a dongle, and there's only one usb slot that doesn't work with other usb devices, so you can only use one dongle at a time"
14:27 < gradstudentbot> I think I'll be done in 4 years.
14:27 <@fenn> can't you just open softICE and delete that crap
14:27 <@fenn> am i missing something here?
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14:27 < kanzure> huh, that would have come in handy
14:27 < kanzure> i was just using ollydbg and stuff
14:28 < gradstudentbot> The smell of e.coli is so very rewarding.
14:29 <@fenn> mmm smells like a parisian sewer
14:29 < kanzure> "other lab equipment is also expensive, so none of the manufacturers have an incentive to optimize the price downward" makes sense, but i dunno about cnc stuff
14:30 <@fenn> huh softICE is patented? wtf
14:30 < kanzure> you need to pay for land and a building to put the machine in, which is often >$10k
14:30 < kanzure> and then you have to pay for tooling (from the same manufacturer?)
14:33 <@fenn> only if you're stupid
14:33 <@fenn> no sense in buying a machine with a proprietary spindle
14:33 < kanzure> they don't do proprietary spin-- yeah
14:34 < kanzure> do they make those? and are people stupid enough to buy those?
14:35 <@fenn> there were a variety of quick-change lathe chuck mounts
14:35 < kanzure> btw, what about shopbot's stuff? why are those all >$20k
14:35 <@fenn> i have no idea
14:35 <@fenn> shopbot started out as "why are cnc routers so expensive, let's make an open source project"
14:36 <@fenn> and for a while, it was.
14:36 <@fenn> cheap*
14:36 < kanzure> why are there still wood-only cnc routers? it's not like the cuts are better..
14:36 <@fenn> there's no such thing as a "wood only" tool
14:36 < kanzure> oh they used to be cheaper?
14:37 < kanzure> maybe they had to price-differentiate themselves from all the $300 lego cnc stuff
14:37 < kanzure> lego-spindle heh
14:37 <@fenn> any machine tool has a given range of stiffness, damping, power, precision, speed, and control
14:37 <@fenn> if you mount a cutter with a smaller cutter face area, it will produce less force (and probably cut less material per pass)
14:38 <@fenn> so for example you can drill through steel with a dremel tool
14:38 <@fenn> even though it's a tiny thing with only high speed range and low torque and practically zero stiffness
14:39 <@fenn> so, 80/20 is basically lego for big boys, and it makes a decent router
14:40 < kanzure> it's interesting that none of the low-price cnc people have done demonstration videos of something like, "this part on our machine vs done on a bridgeport"
14:42 <@fenn> http://makerslide.com/ meh
14:42 <@fenn> i hate when you remember having an image on your hard drive but then its not actually there
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14:46 <@fenn> well i cant find the image but i can describe it pretty easily. take a 2x1 rectangular 80/20 beam, and bolt a round rod into the groove in both short faces. now pinch the two rods with v groove rollers and voila, stiff, relatively accurate, wear-resistant, low friction
14:47 <@fenn> i saw this back before all the makerslide crap
14:47 < kanzure> y7es before makerslide it was openbeam.. or something.
14:47 <@fenn> you can probably just glue it in, the forces are entirely compressive
14:47 <@fenn> openbeam is cool
14:48 <@fenn> i just mean, a steel rod will wear longer than a soft piece of aluminum
14:48 <@fenn> you can order hardened rods
14:49 <@fenn> also it can use sliding bearings, just cut a bronze bushing in half
14:49 <@fenn> or hydrodynamic bearings or whatever
14:49 < delinquentme> This is wild: female to male transition http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/220/testosterone?act=2#play  and the effects of testosterone
14:50 <@fenn> what do you need to do for a male to male transition with testosterone
14:51 < kanzure> if these machines are $500-$700k, why is it that they still all only use gcode
14:51 <@fenn> they don't all only use gcode, in fact most manufacturers have their own proprietary high level language
14:52 <@fenn> supposedly there is step-nc but i don't know if anyone actually uses it
14:52 < kanzure> oh how lovely
14:52 <@fenn> yes even g-code has fake-propietary incompatibility for no reason
14:53 <@fenn> stupid shit like "must use 6 leading zeroes and a decimal point" or "G81 is peck drill"
14:53 < kanzure> do they at least give out documentation on their incompatibilities freely?
14:53 <@fenn> sort of
14:54 < kanzure> an open source cnc producer could probably trick all of the cam software people into cross-marketing
14:54 <@fenn> they document what the machine expects, and you have to write programs to the spec
14:54 < kanzure> (assuming the cam software people hate the current situation)
14:54 <@fenn> there are "post processors" that take generic machine code and transform it into pseudo propietary crap g-code
14:54 < delinquentme> fenn, thats not novel research . You'd know this just by where you live
14:55 <@fenn> novel research?
14:55 <@fenn> i was just whining about steroids being "controlled substances"
14:56 < kanzure> you have to remember he's bad at reading and you have to adjust
14:56 <@fenn> delinquentme: bad reader, bad!
14:56  * fenn smacks delinquentme with a newspaper
14:56 < kanzure> no you have to adjust by using lots of
14:56 < kanzure> quick short
14:56 < kanzure> exciting messages
14:56 <@fenn> how exciting
14:56 <@fenn> am i doing it right
14:56 < kanzure> i believe you mean "very excitement"
14:57 <@fenn> such message
14:57 <@fenn> very quick
14:57 < kanzure> "very quick" doesn't work
15:00 < kanzure> "cnc equipment should be kept expensive so $ENEMY can't buy one"
15:01 < kanzure> "In 2002 Hardinge Inc. moved the production of the famous Series I and EZ Vision Bridgeport knee mills to its headquarters' in Elmira, New York, under a licensing agreement. Two years later Hardinge Inc. acquired the Bridgeport brand and took over design and development of the entire line of CNC machining centers and mills."
15:02 <@fenn> this is a weird happy coincidence http://reprap.org/wiki/File:CheapSkate_profile_bySeeMeCNC.JPG
15:03 <@fenn> they make new bridgeports? why?
15:04 < kanzure> their SEC filings might say why, http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/HDNG/3199845245x0xS1047469-14-2321/313716/filing.pdf
15:05 <@fenn> i'm not reading that
15:05 <@fenn> it was a rhetorical question
15:05 < kanzure> $9M/year revenue only
15:07 <@fenn> ok i found a thing that shows what i was talking about http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc-router-table-machines/91481-8020-mill-long-winded-post-56k-killer-2.html
15:07 < kanzure> "The products are considered to be capital goods with sales prices ranging from approximately sixty thousand dollars for some high volume products to around $1.5 million for some lower volume grinding machines or other specialty built turnkey systems of multiple machines. Sales are subject to economic cycles and, because they are most often purchased to add manufacturing capacity, the cycles can be severe with customers delaying purchases ...
15:07 < kanzure> ... during down cycles and then aggressively requiring machine deliveries during up cycles."
15:07 <@fenn> except use real V groove rollers instead of that rusty garage door thing
15:09 < kanzure> "There are thousands of
15:09 < kanzure> machines in operation in the world for which we provide those repair parts and in many cases the parts are available exclusively from us. "
15:10 < kanzure> there are only thousands of bridgeports?
15:10 <@fenn> thousands of hardinge bridgeports maybe
15:11 <@fenn> hardinge is not for production, it's to make tools and dies
15:11 <@fenn> super high accuracy fetish-level equipment
15:11 <@fenn> ask me if i give a shit
15:12 < kanzure> hardringe bought bridgeport
15:14 < kanzure> "In our industry, the barriers to entry for competition vary based on the level of product performance required. For the products with the highest performance in terms of accuracy and productivity, the barriers are generally technical in nature. For basic products, often the barriers are not technical; they are tied to product availability, competitive price position, and an effective distribution model that offers the pre and post sales ...
15:14 < kanzure> ... support required by customers. Another significant barrier in the global machine tool industry is the high level of working capital that is required to operate the business"
15:15 <@fenn> sales support requirement: don't install a fucking GPS tracking chip
15:16 <@fenn> "He also confessed to conduct that the government was unaware of and, likely, never would have been able to prove.
15:16 <@fenn> This of course dramatically increased his sentencing exposure"
15:16 <@fenn> they say this like it was a smart move?
15:18 < kanzure> "We deliver many of our machine products within one to two months after the order. Some orders, especially multiple machine orders, are delivered on a turnkey basis with the machine or group of machines configured to make certain parts for the customer. This type of order often includes the addition of material handling equipment, tooling and specific programming. In those cases the customer usually observes and inspects the parts being made ...
15:18 < kanzure> ... on the machine at our facility before it is shipped and the timing of the sale is dependent upon the customer's schedule and acceptance. Therefore, sales from quarter-to-quarter can vary depending upon the timing of those customers' acceptances and the significance of those orders."
15:19 < kanzure> fenn, it depends on the deal he was being offered
15:19 < kanzure> fenn, the prosecutors might have been going easy on him
15:19 < kanzure> prosecution is prolly happy about capturing everyone else or something- they already made their careers
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15:20 <@fenn> i still think volunteering extra leverage over your personal freedom is a bad move in any situation
15:21 <@fenn> "yes please enslave me further! pant pant"
15:21 < kanzure> submission is often rewarded to demonstra-- bleh who cares
15:22 <@fenn> also this doesn't make any sense, "the government ... then decided to publicize his cooperation to capitalize on the deterrent effect of announcing his cooperation."
15:23 <@fenn> "all of the co-conspirators pled guilty without a trial" jeesh does nobody have a spine at all
15:25 < kanzure> "look how efficient we are, no trials, no wasted resources, etc., please give me an office with a window :("
15:25 < kanzure> the punishments were unusually small i think- wasn't it 18 months of good behavior or something?
15:28 <@fenn> "If there are any victims in the courtroom who would
15:29 <@fenn> like to be heard, would you come forward, now."
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15:29 <@fenn> (no victims)
15:29 <@fenn> how are you supposed to express remorse and regret when there aren't any victims?
15:29 <@fenn> i am so sorry, so very very sorry, for breaking the law and getting caught
15:30 < gradstudentbot> The real reason I wanted to join this lab was because I love to clean glassware.
15:30 < kanzure> "Total Google searches: 79762"
15:31 <@fenn> why is revealing his cooperation a "deterrent"?
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15:33 < kanzure> it's possibly something like "you can't trust collaborators"
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15:34 <@fenn> but that just weakens the government's position
15:36 <@fenn> "aw shucks we're just the FBI, not some intelligence organization"
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16:30 < kanzure> don't ask me
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16:42 < delinquentme> http://www.medgadget.com/2014/05/implantable-vagus-nerve-stimulator-to-lower-blood-pressure.html more 'electroceuticals '
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17:02 < kanzure> breakin' a rule, but the responses here are sane: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26lwm3/harvardmit_cancer_researchers_here_might_rbitcoin/
17:05 < FourFire> kanzure, there's a rule against reddit?
17:06 < kanzure> absolutely
17:09 < kanzure> .title http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/uk-gsk-sfo-idUKKBN0E72AX20140527
17:09 < yoleaux> UK fraud office probes GSK after claims of foreign bribery
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17:29 <@fenn> i'd like to buy a forever-set of tupperware for all my friends, so they can throw out all their old non-matching plastic containers: http://www.webstaurantstore.com/20493/heavy-weight-hot-microwaveable-round-deli-containers.html
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17:31 < kanzure> i'm not able to evaluate that sentence
17:31 < kanzure> what's the problem with non-matching colors? they are still stackable right
17:33 <@fenn> the problem is the vast array of mutually exclusive lids and containers, and also containers that don't stack
17:34 < kanzure> aren't "open standards" supposed to fix that
17:34 <@fenn> especially lids/containers that look like they'll fit, but then don't
17:34 <@fenn> there's no "tupperware liberation front" unfortunately
17:35 <@fenn> at least san francisco has mostly settled on newspring-compatible containers
17:35 <@fenn> the rest of the world is still an incompatible tupperwasteland
17:36 <@fenn> big companies like ziploc/glad introduce new molds every few years that are incompatible with the previous generation
17:38 <@fenn> these containers are 1/10 the cost, more durable, come in more sizes, and don't change for no reason
17:40 <@fenn> you just have to buy 250 at a time
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17:51 < delinquentme> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-second-chance-at-life--4
17:51 < delinquentme> Ira it looks like needs some funding =/
18:00 <@fenn> "bioquark"?
18:01 <@fenn> oh, they want you to watch a video
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18:10 < delinquentme> havnt read this yet : but sounds cool http://www.medgadget.com/2014/05/ge-releases-spinlab-mri-hyperpolarizer-for-cellular-imaging-of-metabolic-activity.html
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18:15 < kanzure> "ge releases..." probably not cool
18:17 < delinquentme> non invasive cellular metabolic imaging?
18:17 < kanzure> or if it is, it's the sort of cool that they wont sell to you
18:17 < delinquentme> OH! kanzure did you see michael bay might be remaking evangelion O_oo;
18:17  * delinquentme peed a little
18:19 < kanzure> didn't they just do that movie
18:20 < delinquentme> transformers yearp
18:21 < kanzure> no
18:22 < kanzure> the fucking evangelion movie, dude
18:22 < kanzure> argh
18:22 < delinquentme> someone else made one??!
18:23 < kanzure> pacific rim was basically evangelion
18:23 < delinquentme> LOL.
18:23 < delinquentme> kinda yeah.
18:24 < delinquentme> alright ! Out for a bit!
18:25 < kanzure> http://observationdeck.io9.com/the-comparison-everyone-wants-to-make-evangelion-vs-p-805474792
18:26 < gradstudentbot> I think my PI hates me.
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20:08 < justanotheruser> kanzure: 23:07 < eristisk> Can someone who knows about it tell me is Counterparty is useful in any way at all?
20:11 < kanzure> well, it's useful in the sense that it does exactly what mastercoin was planning on doin, except they implemented it
20:11 < kanzure> um, dividends are part of the protocol, so there's that
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20:30 < kanzure> what's the name of the "before going to mars" fallacy
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