--- Log opened Wed May 28 00:00:17 2014 00:11 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@238-80-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:11 -!- Viper168__ [~Viper@node166.19.251.72.1dial.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@238-80-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:13 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:22 < Mokstar> kanzure 00:22 < Mokstar> http://www.google.com/patents/US6536440 00:22 < Mokstar> Method and system for generating sensory data onto the human neural cortex 00:22 < Mokstar> ever seen it before? 00:25 < Mokstar> wow, 00:25 < Mokstar> Sony has some related patents 00:25 -!- sheena [~home@d154-20-226-28.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:25 < Mokstar> oh, that one is also sony's 00:26 < FourFire> Mokstar, have you heard of TCS ? 00:27 < Mokstar> what's the acronym mean? 00:27 < FourFire> Transcranial Stimulation 00:28 < Mokstar> yes 00:28 < Mokstar> tdcs, trns 00:28 < Mokstar> etc 00:28 < FourFire> well apparently there's also a thing you can do with LEDs 00:29 < FourFire> the human skull is semipermeable to light, and the brain responds to it too 00:29 < gradstudentbot> It's not really significant, but there's definitely a trend. 00:29 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:43 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:57 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:01 -!- Viper168__ [~Viper@node166.19.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:04 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:22 -!- ThomasEgi 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jrayhawk_> That said, such an experiment would probably make for new and exciting genetic disorders. 02:36 -!- night is now known as Adifex 02:36 -!- Adifex is now known as night 02:45 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:48 -!- night is now known as Adifex 02:48 -!- Adifex is now known as night 03:01 -!- night is now known as Adifex 03:13 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:25 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:31 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:40 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:25 -!- nsh [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:38 -!- Urchin 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http://www.jcvi.org/cms/research/projects/synthetic-biology-and-the-us-biotechnology-regulatory-system/overview/ 11:22 < kanzure> ughhhhhh 11:25 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-190-249.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:25 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-190-249.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 11:39 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:42 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52 < kanzure> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Seed_Factories 11:52 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:55 < FourFire> is it any more complete than last time I checked? 11:55 <@fenn> "It is being written as part of a project to build the first working Seed Factory prototypes." written by whom? and what/where are the seed factory prototypes? 11:56 < kanzure> they are probably lying 11:56 < FourFire> looks pretty similar 11:57 < FourFire> this is the sort of tech I expect to see somewhere in the 2040-2060s 11:57 <@fenn> oh please shut up 11:57 < FourFire> fenn, well if you have a more accurate estimate, please let me know what's lead you to it 11:57 <@fenn> go do something useful instead of prognosticating 11:58 <@fenn> like building a seed factory for example 11:58 < FourFire> ): I'm afraid I'm not very useful atm 11:58 <@fenn> "The original author is Dani Eder, 1309 Stroud Ave, Gadsden, AL" 11:58 <@fenn> dani eder, wow 11:59 <@fenn> http://yarchive.net/space/ he made various posts here 12:01 <@fenn> i wonder if his house is underground 12:02 <@fenn> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1309+Stroud+Ave,+Gadsden,+AL&hl=en&ll=33.996684,-85.979508&spn=0.004038,0.006899&sll=33.997217,-85.980150&layer=c&cbp=13,237.8,,0,0&cbll=33.997359,-85.979878&hnear=1309+Stroud+Ave,+Gadsden,+Alabama+35903&t=h&z=17&panoid=bH-sBNhuXfCDWRvcDKH3Zg 12:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10 -!- sheena 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in mind right now 12:43 < kanzure> heath: i might have some things to pay you to do 12:48 < heath> kanzure: cool, if you want to give me details via email, that'd be nice 12:52 <@fenn> i wonder how many schizophrenics who claim to be targeted by microwave beams actually set up a microwave receiver to record the beams 12:52 < kanzure> don't enable them :P 12:52 < kanzure> wait, i mean do 12:53 <@fenn> i guess they'd just skip to neutrinos or quantum entanglement or something unmeasurable 12:54 <@fenn> "they've rewired my brain circuits so it talks to itself!" 12:54 <@fenn> "you bastards!" 12:54 < kanzure> 12:54 <+joepie91__> so if you throw WARCs into archive.org (and tell jason scott about them) they'll eventually end up in wayback machine 12:54 <@fenn> what is a WARC 12:55 < kanzure> it's whatever wget --warc-file does 12:55 < kanzure> 12:52 <+joepie91__> kanzure: retains request/response headers and others assorted metadata 12:56 <@fenn> "The WARC (Web ARChive) format specifies a method for combining multiple digital resources into an aggregate archival file together with related information. The WARC format is a revision of the Internet Archive's ARC File Format [ARC_IA] format that has traditionally been used to store "web crawls" as sequences of content blocks harvested from the World Wide Web. The WARC format generalizes the 12:56 <@fenn> older format to better support the harvesting, access, and exchange needs of archiving organizations." 12:57 -!- juri_ [~juri@pool-151-200-36-73.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58 < gradstudentbot> Does this look contaminated to you? 12:58 <@fenn> "Use file as the destination WARC file." that's real helpful 12:59 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 <@fenn> welp i dont have any WARC files 13:00 < kanzure> also there is http://web.archive.org/save 13:00 < kanzure> which is neat 13:00 <@fenn> is that just like wget -p 13:01 < kanzure> their /save endpoint dumps a page from the interwebs into their archive 13:01 <@fenn> i often find myself wanting to archive an entire directory 13:02 <@fenn> not just a single page 13:02 < dpk> use -r 13:02 < kanzure> hooray 13:02 <@fenn> i know how to use wget 13:02 < kanzure> how do i pass -r to the internet archive 13:02 < dpk> good question! not sure, don't think it's possible at present 13:03 <@fenn> does WARC store more than one page? 13:03 < dpk> these are questions for someone who is not me 13:04 <@fenn> who are you? 13:04 <@fenn> i mean your nick looks familiar but i have no idea 13:04 < dpk> someone who doesn't know the answers to your questions 13:04 <@fenn> were you in ##microcontrollers a long time ago? 13:04 < dpk> nope 13:04 < dpk> i'm David P. Kendal 13:05 < dpk> you might know me from #swhack, but your nick doesn't look familiar from there 13:07 <@fenn> aha, yes, i use your bot often enough 13:09 < dpk> ah, right, of course 13:11 <@fenn> how is .tr supposed to work? 13:14 < dpk> it's broken right now, if you've been trying to use it 13:14 < dpk> because Google changed something about the 'API'. again 13:14 < dpk> need to get round to fixing it 13:14 <@fenn> google doesn't believe in APIs 13:15 < dpk> right, so the 'api' is scraping the JSON that translate.google.com uses when you have instant translation on 13:23 -!- joepie91__ [5064fe45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.100.254.69] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 * joepie91__ waves 13:23 <@fenn> hello entity 13:26 < joepie91__> pft 13:26 < joepie91__> I'm an object, not an entity 13:26 < kanzure> you are a pdf 13:26 <@fenn> geoiplookup indicates your location is in the netherlands, however i suspect you are using a VPN 13:27 <@fenn> is your age 23 or are you just fascinated with numerology? 13:27 < kanzure> agist 13:27 <@fenn> .wik agistics 13:27 < yoleaux> fenn: Sorry, I couldn't find article. 13:28 < joepie91__> fenn: actually in the Netherlands :) 13:28 < joepie91__> 100/100 FttH, no less 13:28 < joepie91__> and I'm 22, so not too far off 13:29 <@fenn> huh, so you live in a farm house? 13:29 <@fenn> or are you a tractor 13:29 < joepie91__> nah, this house has been upgraded to shitty duplex-ish house 13:29 < joepie91__> not a tractor, definitely not a tractor 13:30 <@fenn> http://goo.gl/maps/Lmi5W so the dutch still use windmills 13:30 <@fenn> you could probably suck more power off that power line by putting up an antenna instead of a windmill 13:31 < joepie91__> heh 13:31 * joepie91__ gently nudges kanzure into the general direction of his PM tab 13:32 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d6ea05a2 Bryan Bishop: reasons hplusroadmap has been banned by the FDA >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ 13:32 <@fenn> .d agistment 13:32 < yoleaux> agist¹ (/əˈdʒɪst/): v. Take in and feed (livestock) for payment: the dairy farmer might wish to ⁓ lambs after the cows are housed for the winter — http://is.gd/yZLG7G 13:33 < kanzure> i can't even remember all the terrible ways the fda has banned this channel 13:33 < gradstudentbot> Oh great, my paper got accepted with no revisions. Nice. 13:33 <@fenn> "oral inhalation" is overspecified 13:34 < kanzure> heh 13:34 <@fenn> perhaps we should list the ways we are not banned 13:34 < kanzure> that is an empty list 13:34 < kanzure> ooh prosthetics 13:34 < kanzure> yeah those are also banned aren't they 13:34 < kanzure> can't let the cripples fucking help themselves, wouldn't want that 13:35 < kanzure> s/banned/subject to intense regulatory bullshit that basically looks like banning in most cases/ 13:36 <@fenn> "Ø is the loneliest number" just doesn't have the same ring to it 13:37 < kanzure> i think both manufacture of and consumption of drugs are separately regulated by the fda 13:37 < kanzure> so you have to get your production equipment approved too, or something 13:37 <@fenn> consumption isn't regulated, only sale 13:37 <@fenn> or perhaps "distribution" 13:38 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=601c042d Bryan Bishop: lose some constraints in the fda article >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ 13:39 <@fenn> so in the parallel universe that i'm from, "agistics" is a word having something to do with communism/communalism 13:40 <@fenn> there is also "agalmics" 13:41 < kanzure> oh yeah, your exoskeleton link from a few weeks ago 13:41 <@fenn> aroo 13:42 < kanzure> http://tdn.com/business/fda-approves-stair-climbing-wheelchair/article_eeff7d73-75f0-5122-a79f-e520fb591118.html 13:42 < kanzure> "The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday approved a wheelchair that literally can go up and down steps" 13:42 < kanzure> i hate this world 13:42 <@fenn> BANNED 13:43 <@fenn> where is banbot 13:43 <@fenn> i am too lazy to keep score 13:46 < kanzure> .title http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/FDADebarmentList/ucm2005408.htm 13:46 < yoleaux> FDA Debarment List (Drug Product Applications) 13:46 < kanzure> "The following is a public list of firms or persons debarred pursuant to sections 306(a), (b)(1) and (b)(2) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 335(a), (b)(1), and (b)(2)) as published in the FEDERAL REGISTER (FR)." 13:46 <@fenn> .d debar 13:46 < yoleaux> debar (/dɪˈbɑː/): v. (debars, debarring, debarred) Exclude or prohibit (someone) officially from doing something: first-round candidates were ⁓red from standing — http://is.gd/4erowm 13:47 <@fenn> DEBARRED 13:47 < kanzure> it doesn't look like there's any actual list 13:47 < archels> kanzure: are you actually going to build these unapproved sound-emitting devices then? 13:47 < kanzure> of course i am 13:48 < archels> aa in, 'it's on the project list' or you have shipments underway 13:48 <@fenn> extremely high fidelity sound systems 13:48 < kanzure> i don't have shipments at the moment 13:48 <@fenn> this is definitely in the theory phase 13:49 < kanzure> but if i did, i would probably ship them to fenn because i am passive aggressive like that 13:49 < archels> haha 13:49 < archels> it would probably be a viable strategy 13:49 <@fenn> "what's this milling machine doing in the driveway?" 13:50 <@fenn> "did anyone order a zeppelin?" 13:50 < kanzure> it's interesting that the fda does not maintain an official list 13:50 < kanzure> it's all through random announcements 13:51 < kanzure> "we couldn't get the cnc machine off of the truck bed, so we just left the truck in your driveway, have fun" 13:52 < kanzure> "Section 520(f) of the Amendments authorizes the FDA to promulgate regulations requiring the methods used in, and the facilities and controls used for, the manufacturing, packing, storage, and installation of a device to conform to current good manufacturing practices (GMPs)." 13:53 < kanzure> "The FDA can order repair, replacement or refund (3-R) if, after opportunity for an informal hearing , it determines that: ... The device was not designed and manufactured in accordance with the then prevailing state of the art" 13:55 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56 < kanzure> "An especially absurd example of device delay occurred to the Sensor Pad. The Sensor Pad is so simple it hardly justifies the term device: it is two sheets of sealed plastic that sandwich a silicon lubricant. With the Sensor Pad, a woman can more easily detect unusual breast lumps in a self-examination. Although the product is simple, it is quite useful and can save lives through early detection of breast cancer. The Sensor Pad was invented ... 13:56 < kanzure> ... in 1986 by Earl Wright of Inventive Products and was submitted to the FDA for approval. The FDA, however, could find no other substantially equivalent product on the market and thus automatically classified the Sensor Pad as a high-risk, Class III device. Before being allowed to sell the Sensor Pad, Inventive Products had to submit a premarket approval application to the FDA. Inventive Products submitted hundreds of pages documenting the ... 13:56 < kanzure> ... safety and effectiveness of the Sensor Pad (both of which were evident to anyone who used the product for sixty seconds), yet years went by, and still the FDA wanted more documents. As it turned out, the FDA decided that in order for the device to be approved, Inventive Products needed to show not simply that the Sensor Pad helped women to detect breast lumps but that it reduced the mortality of breast cancer. Proof of this kind would ... 13:56 < kanzure> ... require extensive clinical trials involving thousands of women tracked over many years—all this in order to get permission to sell a device substantially less complicated and less dangerous than a toaster oven. Canada, western Europe, Japan, and other countries quickly approved the Sensor Pad. In Canada, a country that is hardly known as the Wild West of medical devices, the Sensor Pad was approved in thirty days with approximately half ... 13:56 < kanzure> ... a dozen pages of documentation. Frustrated at the delay, Inventive Products defied the FDA and in 1988 began selling the Sensor Pad to hospitals. Hospitals bought several hundred thousand Sensor Pads and gave them to women, some of whom would later testify in Congress that the product had saved their lives. Doctors too began to use the device and reported positive results. In 1989, however, the FDA raided Inventive Products and a number ... 13:56 < kanzure> ... of hospitals (!) and “on behalf of American women” confiscated the Sensor Pads. Several lawsuits and several years later the product was still not available in the United States." 13:56 < kanzure> from http://www.fdareview.org/devices.shtml 13:56 < kanzure> "The next year, Congress held hearings at which a number of women and doctors testified in favor of the Sensor Pad. Finally, after nearly ten years of delay and several million dollars in legal and other costs, the Sensor Pad was approved in December 1995. But the mandarins at the FDA had the last word: they decreed that the Sensor Pad was to be used only with a doctor’s prescription!" 13:57 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:57 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 13:57 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:57 < kanzure> "According to the FDA, software is a medical device and is regulated accordingly. Because medical software is often new, it can, like the Sensor Pad, be classified as a high-risk Class III device even if it is not involved in high-risk procedures." 13:59 < kanzure> "The FDA has always been uncomfortable with off-label use, however, and has tried to suppress such use whenever possible. With the growing use of software as a component in devices and drug delivery systems, the FDA believes it has found a way to limit off-label uses. Essentially, it is demanding that the software in any device be written so that the device can be operated only for FDA-approved uses. Excimer lasers, for example, have many ... 13:59 < kanzure> ... different uses in eye surgery, but when the FDA approved excimer lasers, they physically and legally tied use of the laser to software that was limited to FDA-approved procedures." 14:03 < kanzure> how are websites not classified as medical device software? 14:04 < FourFire> kanzure, that retarded giant of a system really doesn't love you, does it? 14:04 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=46c5e573 Bryan Bishop: some fda hilarity >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ 14:06 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d5889fc1 Bryan Bishop: oops, don't use pre >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ 14:06 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a6f9757f Bryan Bishop: and rename the section >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ 14:09 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 14:10 -!- kanzure changed the topic of ##hplusroadmap to: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA, banned by the Federal Death Administration (4 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | a high-risk Class III device 14:12 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by kanzure 14:15 < dpk> [off] test 14:15 < dpk> # test 14:15 < dpk> no off-log prefix here? 14:16 < kanzure> nope 14:16 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I'm a 4th year. No wait, I'm a 6th year. 14:16 < chris_99> gradstudentbot, get your facts right! 14:16 < gradstudentbot> Sure, I'd love to switch into colorectal. 14:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:49 < kanzure> facts are only an inconvenience in his job 14:49 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:50 < chris_99> heh 14:57 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:08 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:16 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- floodis [~floodis@c-83-233-134-212.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-95-101.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:38 < kanzure> hello eudoxia 15:38 < eudoxia> hello kanzure 15:39 < eudoxia> is skdb a medical device if someone uses it to print themselves a new kidney? 15:39 < kanzure> an email is a medical device because it communicates medical information **through software**~~ 15:40 < eudoxia> wow what if a non-doctor gives medical advice over IRC 15:45 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d75-156-88-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:47 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:51 < justanotheruser> eudoxia: then they are in gross violation of the FDAs policy and freenode must report them 15:53 < kanzure> .title http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/EnforcementActivitiesbyFDA/CyberLetters/default.htm 15:53 < yoleaux> Cyber Letters 15:56 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57 < kanzure> oh geeze http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/warningletters/wlFilterBySubject.cfm 15:59 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-tlhmbbazysugevam] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:59 < eudoxia> >Devices/Laser Eye 15:59 < nmz787_i> jrayhawk_: linkrot here http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-theme/32x32/animations/process-working.png 16:00 < kanzure> here's a letter about unlicensed fetal imaging http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/1999/UCM067594.pdf 16:03 < nmz787_i> at least they gave a phone number 16:03 < nmz787_i> "Division of Small Manufacturers Assistance" 16:05 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:10 -!- nshlol is now known as FBI 16:10 -!- FBI is now known as Guest47801 16:10 -!- Guest47801 is now known as nshlol 16:16 < kanzure> so weird that the fda has armed agents 16:19 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=006ef764 Bryan Bishop: also dna sequencing >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/fda/ 16:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:29 -!- joepie91__ [5064fe45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.100.254.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31 < kanzure> "institute for human gene therapy" http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2000/UCM068181.pdf 16:31 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:46 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52 < seba-> ok 16:52 < seba-> i've made an incubator 16:52 < seba-> yay 16:54 < nmz787_i> cool! 16:54 < nmz787_i> what kind? 16:54 < nmz787_i> PID control? 16:54 < seba-> it's not so good i think, the one i've had in a flower pot was much better, but looked like crap 16:55 < seba-> the flower pot incubator had PID control yes 16:55 < seba-> the temperature varied within 0.2 C 16:55 < seba-> this one has like +- 6 C, but ok it's mechanical (for testing), but it's just crap 16:55 < seba-> i've bought a chinese oven 16:55 < seba-> it's just shit 16:55 < seba-> the oven is shit 16:55 < seba-> lol 16:56 < seba-> it has no insulation no thermal mass 16:56 < seba-> but it looks nice thou 16:56 < seba-> i've added now a glass of water 16:56 < seba-> maybe if it's not empty it works kind of ok 16:57 < seba-> +- 3 C sorry, 6 C in total 17:01 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:04 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-tlhmbbazysugevam] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08 < seba-> nmz787, http://seba.eu.org/public/2014-05-29%2002.01.00.jpg 17:09 < seba-> there. 17:13 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:15 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Client Quit] 17:18 -!- realzies [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:19 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:20 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 -!- realzies [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:37 < kanzure> "but it looks nice" 17:37 < kanzure> famous last words 17:37 < seba-> lol 17:37 < seba-> well it really does look nice 17:51 -!- joepie91___ [5064fe45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.100.254.69] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:57 -!- joepie91___ [5064fe45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.100.254.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:01 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:05 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-95-101.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:54 -!- sheena [~home@S01065039557119af.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 < delinquentme> So if I wanted to work on making younger multipotent stem cells of myself ... where would I start 18:58 < delinquentme> ? 19:01 < seba-> why 19:01 -!- poyotra [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 < delinquentme> seba-, to stop aging ... or at least recruit more of them for repair when I get injured ! 19:07 < seba-> which part of aging 19:08 < jrayhawk_> haha that chemtrail thing "contains plasma" 19:08 < jrayhawk_> "radioactive material" 19:08 < jrayhawk_> "bacteria" 19:08 < jrayhawk_> NANOPARTICLES 19:09 < seba-> hm 19:09 < jrayhawk_> nmz787: the "from" is really more useful than the "to" 19:10 < jrayhawk_> are you doing OSTC work now? 19:17 -!- sheena [~home@S01065039557119af.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:17 -!- sheena [~home@S01065039557119af.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 < delinquentme> What was the algo / bioinformatics software which did a stellar job of guessing organism age based off a very few methylation sites? 19:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:22 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:29 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:22 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:33 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- entelechy [~elysium@186.176.21.172] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:42 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:31 < kanzure> bitcoin sprayer thing for your amusement: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/9ad6a265aac887fa26c1 21:37 < kanzure> ooh "spaminator" damn i should have named it spaminator 21:37 < gradstudentbot> The results of my study indicate that the climate is about to get really weird. 21:40 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:46 -!- poyotra [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 21:53 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:07 -!- Mokstarboush [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09 < entelechy> kanzure genius 22:12 < kanzure> sarcasm? 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