--- Log opened Sat Jun 07 00:00:27 2014
00:01 < nmz787> fenn: even the music in that video is pretty not-boring
00:02 < nmz787> fenn: i see plenty of guys at intel in turbans
00:03 < nmz787> i've been growing my hair, but before I cut my beard i looked into some sikh beard-wrapping techniques before I decided to just chop most of it off
00:06 < nmz787> proteinmon
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00:12 < entelechy> same with HP
00:13 < entelechy> they all ate their own food together
00:13 < entelechy> sikh food is the bomb
00:13 < entelechy> in british columbia free sikh food on sundays for anyone at all, and you're encouraged to do a prayer but they don't communicate it too well so most people are too confused or ambivalent about it
00:14 < nmz787> that's anywhere in the world
00:14 < nmz787> its called a gurudwara or gurdwara
00:14 < FireAura> wow that's pretty cool
00:14 < nmz787> guru's house is the translation
00:14 < nmz787> dwara means house or 4 walls or something like that
00:15 < nmz787> and the lunch is called langar
00:15 < nmz787> basically it was a leveling of the playing-field morally/socially/caste-wise
00:15 <@fenn> proteinmon?
00:15 < nmz787> the kings and peasants all sat on the ground together
00:15 < nmz787> fenn: your pokemon idea
00:15 <@fenn> oh, right
00:16 < nmz787> proteomon?
00:16 < nmz787> aminomon
00:16 <@fenn> aminomnomnom
00:16 < nmz787> vs nucleomon
00:16 < nmz787> reverse trascribes to ribomon
00:17  * nmz787 deoxynuclease failed!
00:18  * nmz787 hydroxide presented, backside attack!!!
00:18  * nmz787 nucleomon was hydrolyzed
00:18 < nmz787> :(
00:19 <@fenn> i've never actually played pokemon
00:19 <@fenn> i assume it's something like nethack
00:19 < nmz787> it was turn based
00:19 < nmz787> you were move around the world like zelda, from top-down perspective
00:19 < nmz787> then get into random fights if you went into the bushes or a cave or some dark place
00:20 < nmz787> and it would get face to face front-perspective
00:20 < nmz787> you had a list of attacks
00:20 < nmz787> and could go into an 'items' menu of crap you collected from the world
00:20 < FireAura> various strengths and weaknesses based on the type of pokemon you have in play
00:20 < nmz787> (this is the video game pokemon, i have no idea what the card game was like, but i guess pretty much the same)
00:21 < nmz787> though i did collect the cards
00:21 < nmz787> so dum
00:21 < nmz787> and pogs
00:21 < nmz787> wtf were those
00:21 < nmz787> i realized recently it was like a drinking game for kids
00:21 < nmz787> with no drinking
00:21 <@fenn> i realized that in elementary school
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00:22 < FireAura> the card game differs a bit; you can do quite a bit in your turn, as opposed to only doing one thing per turn in the video games
00:22 < nmz787> thinking back, like, i didn't even have friends to play the game really against someone... it was just me collecting cardboard discs and throwing a slug of metal at them on the floor
00:22 < nmz787> pogs that is
00:23 <@fenn> we played it more like tiddlywinks, you had to flip the pogs with the lemon pip effect
00:23 < nmz787> fenn: watched that vid, now watching a similar one on serial/UART
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00:23 <@fenn> they have 600 videos
00:23 < nmz787> he isn't wearing a turban though, so i might skip this one
00:23 < nmz787> ahh, madras
00:24 < ||0_-_0||> paperbot http://www.nature.com/nrneurol/journal/v10/n4/full/nrneurol.2014.24.html
00:24 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnrneurol.2014.24
00:24 < nmz787> actually a biochemical pokemon clone would be pretty damn cool
00:24 < nmz787> i would sling that to kids
00:25 < nmz787> slip in organic chemistry rules
00:25 < nmz787> they might not even know it
00:25 < nmz787> characters would just be the pymol renderings or similar
00:25 < FireAura> actually that would be amazing
00:26 < nmz787> there are a lot of rare chemicals with crazy powers/strengths
00:26 < nmz787> the whole mew/mewtwo thing
00:26 < FireAura> well yeah absolutely
00:27 < nmz787> welp kanzure there's your maker faire booth for next year
00:28 < FireAura> lol
00:28 < nmz787> you're going to have a gaming station that seductively teaches kids to be addicted to organic/bio chemistry
00:28 < FireAura> hell why just kids
00:28 < nmz787> hahah
00:28 < nmz787> we're doomed
00:28 < nmz787> our neural networks aren't plastic enough
00:28 < FireAura> i mean idk i may still qualify as a kid but i'd sure as hell play
00:29 < nmz787> :D
00:30 <@fenn> speak for yourself, i've forgotten more than i ever knew
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00:34 < nmz787> how can you realistically 'forget more than you ever knew'?
00:34 < nmz787> that's like saying my hard drive holds less than it did when i bought it
00:35 < nmz787> i guess it is always hard to defrag?
00:35 < FireAura> it would take some tinkering and probably screwing a ton of stuff up, but im sure it could be managed
00:35 < nmz787> and harder in humans?
00:35 < nmz787> they're talking about the 8085 proc in this video
00:36 < FireAura> ah
00:36 <@fenn> fill up your hard drive; erase everything; fill it up again; erase everything again. you now have forgotten more than you ever knew
00:40 < jrayhawk_> 20:40 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: you're now obliggated to top that, possibly by being reckless/dangerous
00:40 < jrayhawk_> what with the who now
00:40 < nmz787> jrayhawk_: have you heard of nodeconf?
00:41 < nmz787> i am watching a video now
00:41 <@fenn> jrayhawk_: something about a flaming station wagon
00:41 < nmz787> they were decals
00:41 < nmz787> decal flames
00:41 < jrayhawk_> nope; lots of local Node activity around here judging from what i see go by on calagator, though
00:41 < nmz787> ahh, node.js?
00:42 < nmz787> not like, human social nodes?
00:42 < jrayhawk_> yeah
00:42 < nmz787> it was a link from some indian hackerspace that is starting up
00:43 < nmz787> but then in the video i saw nodeconf portland 2012
00:43 < nmz787> on a tshirt
00:43 < nmz787> hmm
00:44 < nmz787> wad cunningham is the first name on nodepdx.org
00:44 <@fenn> "tincture of 555" the new homeopathic remedy out of silicon valley
00:44 < jrayhawk_> haha "wad"
00:44 < jrayhawk_> ward participates in a log of local usergroup activity
00:44 < jrayhawk_> s/log/lot/
00:45 < jrayhawk_> i think i helped him heckle one of jblake's presentations one time
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00:46 < gene_hacker> biochemical pokemon? Man seems I missed quite the topic
00:48 < nmz787> hah
00:49 < nmz787> oh man, powdered toast man!
00:50 < nmz787> .wik powdered toast man
00:50 < yoleaux> "Over its five seasons, The Ren & Stimpy Show featured a varied cast of characters, some who appeared in as few as one episode, and some who were practically regulars." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powdered_toast_man
00:51 <@fenn> and on that note, good night
00:51 < gene_hacker> 404 error childhood cartoons could not be found
00:52 < nmz787> hmm, people are saying hillhacks might be some hippie hacker woodstock like nodeconf type thing
00:52 < gene_hacker> just need to solve this NP-hard problem...
00:52 < nmz787> interesting
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00:52 < nmz787> ren and stimpy has been my go-to cartoon for the past few weeks
00:53 < nmz787> hah, they just used the seizure-inducing flashing sequencne
00:54 < nmz787> https://twitter.com/harisibrahimkv/status/474394787152273408
00:55 < jrayhawk_> it's you. you are what rolls down stairs alone or in pairs and over your neighbor's dog.
00:55 < nmz787> great for a snack
00:55 < nmz787> fits on yer back
00:55 < jrayhawk_> that's goinga little far
00:55 < nmz787> its the oregon fruit!
00:56 < nmz787> oregon-brocolli as some might call it
00:56 < jrayhawk_> haha
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00:56 < jrayhawk_> nmz787: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTUAujDVPDU is a thing that seems like it would be liked by my model of you
00:56 < nmz787> that's all i kept thinking when i was driving through the redwoods in norcal
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00:57 < nmz787> i just heard that 'the future is here, but not evenly distributed' quote recently somewhere else
00:58 < nmz787> huh
00:58 < nmz787> is this in oregon city?
00:58 < jrayhawk_> Yeah.
00:59 < gene_hacker> that was kid's show? how?
00:59 < nmz787> hmm, i guess i drove over there once or twice
00:59 < nmz787> internet media?
01:00 < nmz787> hah, laboratory
01:00 < nmz787> its true though, i came from school in rochester, which was a waterfall town
01:00 < nmz787> some kinda thing
01:00 < nmz787> powerplant, water pumps for water system
01:01 < nmz787> turning water power into rotary power for factorys
01:01 < nmz787> that's where they first mass produced good quality gears
01:01 < nmz787> gleason works
01:01 < nmz787> that was river power
01:01 < gene_hacker> interesting
01:02 < nmz787> the vast amount of engineering it drew allowed kodak to develop there
01:02 < nmz787> (and die)
01:02 < nmz787> and when they died, they were so big that it kinda killed the region
01:02 < nmz787> so dumb, they invented the digital camera
01:02 < nmz787> and thought it would lose them $ in film sales
01:02 < jrayhawk_> they were right!
01:02 < nmz787> truly a management mistake
01:03 < nmz787> hmm
01:03 < nmz787> this video says 'probably first sawmill west of the missispi'
01:03 < nmz787> idk about that
01:04 < jrayhawk_> a good waterfall is hard to find
01:04 < nmz787> lewis and clark was 1804
01:04 < gene_hacker> nmz787 you're in portland right?
01:04 < jrayhawk_> probably the biggest in its day west of the mississippi, at least
01:04 < nmz787> they took the missouri
01:04 < nmz787> which is west of the missisipi
01:04 < nmz787> gene_hacker: a little west of there
01:05 < nmz787> gene_hacker: how about you?
01:05 < nmz787> you're near right?
01:05 < gene_hacker> are you going to pseudo maker faire in eugene?
01:05 < nmz787> hmm, when is it?
01:05 < gene_hacker> tomorrow
01:05 < nmz787> i hadn't planned, we just had a booth at san mateo maker faire in bay area last month tho
01:05 < nmz787> oh :O
01:05 < nmz787> no i guess now
01:05 < nmz787> not
01:06 < gene_hacker> well then you probably won't be missing much
01:06 < gradstudentbot> I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space.
01:06 < gene_hacker> gradstudentbot how's research?
01:06 < gradstudentbot> How many papers do you have published?
01:06 < jrayhawk_> are you going to take that sort of sass from gradstudentbot
01:06 < gradstudentbot> Does this look contaminated to you?
01:07 < gene_hacker> it doesn't cower in fear at that question, clearly it is not a gradstudentbot
01:07 < gradstudentbot> I feel like you don't completely comprehend the scope of this work.
01:08 < nmz787> gene_hacker: so are you around/in portland?
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01:31 < nmz787> kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Sequence_control_in_polymer_synthesis.pdf
01:32 < nmz787> kanzure: i keep seeing ATRP... which I think is a CMU thing, I emailed the polymer professor there... I'm from there... maybe I really just need to do a phd
01:33 < gene_hacker> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja5022415
01:33 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1021%2Fja5022415
01:34 < gene_hacker> a chemical controlled nanofactory
01:34 < gene_hacker> for synthesizing proteins
01:35 < gene_hacker> maybe that crazy idea for a light controlled DNA synth with 4 colors of lights isn't so crazy
01:35 < nmz787> nah
01:35 < nmz787> not at all
01:35 < nmz787> 4 groups is nothing
01:36 < gradstudentbot> Sorry about that.
01:36 < nmz787> i'd say you'd need to think about 4 to 10 linkages for each 'arm'/color
01:36 < nmz787> and they'd only have so many degrees of freedom each
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03:17 < jrayhawk_> nmz787: Corvallis or thereabouts
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04:49 < mosasaur> .wa melting point of coconut oil in degrees celsius
04:50 < yoleaux> convert coconut oil: melting point to degrees Celsius: 25°C (degrees Celsius); Additional conversions: 298.2 K (kelvins); 77°F (degrees Fahrenheit); 536.7°R (degrees Rankine); 20°Ré (degrees Réaumur); 20.6°Rø (degrees Rømer)
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04:53 < mosasaur> .wa melting point of palm oil in degrees celsius
04:53 < yoleaux> mosasaur: Sorry, no result!
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05:14 < jrayhawk_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_oil#Hydrogenation fully hydrogenated coconut oil is a fun concept; the melting tempuratures can get kinda ridiculous
05:14 < jrayhawk_> s/tempuratures/temperatures/
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05:20 < mosasaur> Here's a cheap thermometer. I'm somewhere above coconut, but below palm oil.
05:20 < mosasaur> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/oil-melting-points-d_1088.html
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07:06 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: approximate available area of desk space or floor space to put an automated microscope?
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08:04 < ParahSailin> you think technically feasible to have a golf simulation with oculus rift where you hit an actual ball?
08:04 < kanzure> then what are you simulating..?
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08:08 < ParahSailin> hitting in a course rather than a small air conditioned room?
08:09 < chris_99> would the ball be hitting the wall then your face ;)
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08:09 < ParahSailin> obviously there would be a backstop and youd only be hitting in one general direction
08:10 < chris_99> mm
08:10 < kanzure> most people use nets for that
08:10 < kanzure> yeah
08:10 < chris_99> dumb idea could you attach some kind of string to the ball, so that it autoretrieves it
08:10 < gradstudentbot> The culture got contaminated.
08:11 < ParahSailin> question is whether you could interleave the real ball into the simulation on the oculus screen seamlessly enough that it wouldnt disrupt hand-eye coordination
08:11 < chris_99> yeah
08:11 < chris_99> are you sure you need a real ball
08:11 < ParahSailin> because otherwise its just masturbation?
08:12 < chris_99> huh, you'd still be getting visual feedback
08:14 < gradstudentbot> The freezer was too cold and fucked up my sample DNA.
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09:09 < streety> is there not some tactile feedback from hitting the ball?
09:11 < kanzure> ParahSailin: hah, you will be happy to learn that josh has hired people to build openpcr units: "San Francisco-based OpenPCR makes thermocyclers, apparatus that can “amplify” segments of DNA for testing. Initially funded with $12,000 from Kickstarter, it now has four full-time employees supported by sales of five $600 units a week. The company is planning to roll out real-time PCR machines that can give full results on a computer screen ...
09:11 < kanzure> ... without having to send samples for lab analysis. These cost about $1,500, compared with $30,000 for rivals’ equipment, and have the potential to be adapted for other industries, claims Josh Perfetto, OpenPCR’s co-founder"
09:13 < kanzure> $1500 for rtPCR.. hahaha.
09:15 < kanzure> silly how that's still overpriced. although they have never really been about keeping things low cost.
09:18 < gradstudentbot> Well, you can't guarantee that.
09:20 < streety> do you know how many samples it can handle?
09:25 < chris_99> is the OpenPCR mainly a peltier and PID?
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09:29 < streety> there is the block for the samples and presumably a heated lid as well
09:43 < kanzure> digshadow: this might be a fun one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/KM1801VM2-IC-Microchip-USSR-Lot-of-1-pcs-/131200365911?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e8c26b557
09:44 < kanzure> erm, i mean, to decap and scan
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09:57 < kanzure> "Микросхема КР1801ВП1 представляла собой базовый матричный кристалл (БМК) на основе которого можно было выпускать разнообразные цифровые устройства. Микросхема содержит примерно 5000 транзисторов (около 600 вентилей). Технологические нормы — 3 ...
09:57 < kanzure> ... микрона по n-МДП технологии, размер кристалла 4,2 × 4,2 мм."
09:57 < kanzure> (5000 transistors, 600 gates, 3 micron feature size)
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10:15 < digshadow> kanzure: if you want to pay for it
10:15 < digshadow> I'll image it
10:19 < kanzure> digshadow: for future reference, approximately how annoying is it for you to image a single chip?
10:19 < chris_99> can you do SEM images out of interest digshadow
10:19 < kanzure> so that i can know which things you would be interested in maybe scanning
10:23 < digshadow> kanzure: about an hour of work
10:23 < digshadow> for most chips
10:23 < digshadow> maybe 2 on the high side
10:23 < digshadow> usually I do them in batches of 20 or so
10:23 < digshadow> which keeps it down
10:23 < digshadow> chris_99: my SEM isn't working yet
10:23 < digshadow> I'm working on learning CNC better right now
10:24 < digshadow> so I can make some parts for it
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10:24 < chris_99> cool
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11:15 < kanzure> huh, you are using gcode.. https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/pr0ntools/tree/master/cnc_microscope
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11:35 < digshadow> kanzure: the old version did
11:35 < digshadow> the g-code post-processor is still there though
11:35 < digshadow> but I don't use it
11:35 < digshadow> now I use this
11:35 < digshadow> https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/pr0ndexer
11:36 < digshadow> a very basic COTS indexer
11:36 < digshadow> (which doesn't use g-code)
11:36 < digshadow> just generated a test mastercam job
11:36 < digshadow> which *is* g-code
11:36 < digshadow> going to try it out on the mill in a few min
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11:58 < kanzure> digshadow: any particular reason you went with a pulley system instead of a threaded rod?
12:01 < kanzure> i mean, the belts
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12:05 < kanzure> like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVd5tAzHymc
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12:34 < digshadow> hunh?
12:34 < digshadow> what pulley system
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12:54 < kanzure> i saw a video, looked like you were using belts..
12:55 < kanzure> i will second check
12:57 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32DgR0cN0g&t=7s
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13:04 < digshadow> kanzure: that was a proof of concept test
13:04 < digshadow> but as a thought experiment
13:04 < digshadow> how would a leadscrew help me there
13:04 < digshadow> it would be much more complicated to setup
13:05 < kanzure> well, i'm assuming you can cannibalize the microscope
13:06 < kanzure> and use your own xy stage etc
13:06 < kanzure> these assumptions might be wrong :)
13:09 < archels> .title http://vimeo.com/88523949
13:09 < yoleaux> JackIn: Integrating First-Person View with Out-of-Body Vision Generation for Human-Human Augmentation (AH2014) on Vimeo
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13:19 < digshadow> kanzure: definitely would not cannibalize the micrscope
13:19 < digshadow> I do use my own xy stage
13:19 < digshadow> and if I want to
13:19 < digshadow> I do have a slot for a z axis picomotor
13:19 < digshadow> but that cost way way more than the pulley thing
13:20 < digshadow> I found everything in that prototype pulley system in the trash
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13:30 < nmz787> kanzure: did you read the story about using the wrong dictionary, and switching to like a 1913 version?
13:30 < nmz787> it was on hackernews a few weeks ago
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13:32 < kanzure> no
13:33 < kanzure> digshadow: are there performance reasons you prefer it?
13:35 < nmz787> http://jsomers.net/blog/dictionary
13:38 < kanzure> "He says, for instance, that in three years of research for a book about Alaska he’d forgotten to look up the word Arctic" story of my life
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13:43 < pasky> that's pretty cool writeup
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13:58 < nmz787> this is pretty cool
13:58 < nmz787> http://dimit.me/Fe26/
13:59 < nmz787> so for the bio/organic chemistry pokemon clone, instead of HP the measure could be entropy
13:59 < nmz787> maybe
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14:04 < kanzure> what happened to "i only liked looking at the cards anyway"
14:07 < kanzure> nmz787: btw, have you used brlcad's lens generator? http://brlcad.org/xref/source/src/proc-db/lens.c
14:09 < gradstudentbot> My experiment was working a second ago, but now it doesn't even work.
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14:19 < kanzure> .title http://users.bestweb.net/~ca314159/lenses.html
14:19 < yoleaux> Lenses in POV-Ray
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14:27 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGqFxynCnvM
14:27 < yoleaux> Cassegrain Telescope Simulation
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14:53 < nmz787> kanzure: no
14:53 < nmz787> i think i installed brlcad once or twice
14:53 < nmz787> but didn't get anywhere with it
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15:16 < nmz787> this is neat http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0083325
15:16 < nmz787> .title
15:16 < yoleaux> PLOS ONE: Identifiable Images of Bystanders Extracted from Corneal Reflections
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15:48 < FourFire> oh yeah I read that last year
15:48 < FourFire> you need insane resolution for that though
15:50 < ThomasEgi> or a more close-up duckface picture.
15:50 < nmz787> i wonder if that lumia cell phone cam is enough
15:50 < nmz787> i can't remember if it downconverts the 40MPix image to something less before giving it to the user
15:50 < nmz787> or if there's a way to get the raw image
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15:56 < nmz787> this one is pretty cool http://donzoptix.co.uk/POVZEMAZ/Movies/pipebend3.m1v
15:56 < nmz787> "The image to the left is a textured heightfield of the intensity at the screen  for the value of the bend radius which maximises the intensity. The peak intensity is 0.8mm from the axis. The values were determined from the following  0.64MB movie: "
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16:43 < kanzure> "he was the first to observe and describe single-celled organisms, which he originally referred to as animalcules,"
16:43  * kanzure adds "animalcules" next to "animaltronics"
16:48 < kanzure> "To the disappointment of his guests, Leeuwenhoek refused to reveal the cutting-edge microscopes he relied on for his discoveries, instead showing visitors a collection of average-quality lenses.[17] An experienced businessman, Leeuwenhoek realized that if his simple method for creating the critically important lens was revealed, the scientific community of his time would likely disregard or even forget his role in microscopy. He therefore ...
16:48 < kanzure> ... allowed others to believe that he was laboriously spending most of his nights and free time grinding increasingly tiny lenses to use in microscopes, even though this belief conflicted both with his construction of hundreds of microscopes and his habit of building a new microscope whenever he chanced upon an interesting specimen that he wanted to preserve. He made about 200 microscopes with different magnification."
16:49 < kanzure> heh, you mean lenses don't take forever to grind?
16:49 < kanzure> also, a few hundred lenses could still take bunches of time, i don't really buy "look! a large number!" as an argument that it was quick
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17:17 < kanzure> why do these have to be so bulky http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/specials.html
17:29 < kanzure> and they don't reuqire oil immersion
17:31 < kanzure> most microscopes don't seem to be very micro :|
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18:10 < kanzure> hm, whitesides just put a coverslip between the photoresist and oil for oil immersion objective lenses: http://gmwgroup.harvard.edu/pubs/pdf/757.pdf
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18:58 < delinquentme> most microscopes don't seem to be very micro :| +1
19:07 < kanzure> .wik frits zernike
19:08 < yoleaux> "Frits Zernike (/ˈzɜrr.nɪ.kiː/; July 16, 1888 – March 10, 1966) was a Dutch physicist and winner of the Nobel prize for physics in 1953 for his invention of the phase contrast microscope, an instrument that permits the study of internal cell structure without the need to stain and thus kill the cells." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frits_Zernike
19:08 < kanzure> i remember using an invitrogen stain that didn't kill cells...
19:08 < kanzure> but it could have been my imagination
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19:11 < kanzure> this is an okay stereo microscope idea (no eyepieces) http://www.history-of-the-microscope.org/images/Mantis-Compact-stereo-microscope1.jpg
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19:13 < kanzure> heh For the purposes of this forum, Microscopy or Microanalysis is considered to include all techniques which employ a probe such as: photons (including x-rays), electrons, ions, mechanical and/or electromagnetic radiation to form a representation or characterization of the microstructure (internal or external) of any material in either physical and/or life sciences applications.
19:13 < kanzure> oops
19:13 < kanzure> i meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microscopy_Listserver
19:14 < kanzure> geeze their archive pages are just giant dumps (this is at least 16 MB) http://www.microscopy.com/cgi-bin/ReadPrintEmailHTML.pl?filename=MicroscopyArchive00.txt
19:21 < dpk> .in 12h fix wp:en:Fritz_Zernicke pronunciation key
19:21 < yoleaux> dpk: I'll remind you at 16:22 CEST
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19:33 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4606667
19:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/becb9d366e6c4bd29727bf9b7ff5d06b.txt
19:33 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/4606667.pdf
19:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b39cc0157e982af31cf36981516ade50.txt
19:34 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/4606667.pdf?acceptTC=true&&acceptTC=true
19:34 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f024d388e256fd7c693e20ed489eff00.txt
19:34 < kanzure> i am very confused
19:37 < kanzure> oh, right, cookies
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19:38 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/optics/The%20early%20history%20of%20the%20compound%20microscope.pdf
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20:12 < kanzure> of course, now that you mentioned the word, i am seeing "polariton" everywhere..
20:14 < kanzure> .title http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1842150
20:14 < yoleaux> Using digital micromirror devices for focusing light through turbid media
20:14 < kanzure> "The holy grail of biomedical optical imaging is to perform microscopy deep inside living tissue. Unfortunately, biological tissue scatters light, which prevents the formation of a sharp focus. However, recently it was shown that wavefront shaping can be used to focus light through and inside turbid materials. So far, most experiments used liquid crystal devices, which are too slow to match the dynamics of perfused tissue. Since DMD ...
20:14 < kanzure> ... technology is approximately 1000 times faster, it may bring wavefront shaping to in-vivo applications. We will compare analytically the performance of different methods for focusing light through scattering media with an intensity-only light modulator."
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20:44 < night> gradstudentbot: sup?
20:44 < gradstudentbot> It's not really significant, but there's definitely a trend.
20:45 < night> apologies, I'm going to be pinging gradstudent bot a few times as I test out stuff in my client
20:47 < night> gradstudentbot: ping
20:47 < gradstudentbot> I'll need to pull an all-nighter.
20:49 < night> gradstudentbot: How's the weather over there?
20:49 < gradstudentbot> Guys, where are my samples?
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21:03 < delinquentme> kanzure, https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9933557?cc=Nature9933557&utm_source=nature&utm_medium=pavilion&utm_campaign=challenges
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21:37 < night> gradstudentbot: ping
21:37 < gradstudentbot> There's no way to know for sure.
21:37 < night> alright, good
21:37 < night> everything's fixed
21:39 < petrushka> gradstudentbot   DNA replicase enzyme
21:39 < gradstudentbot> My pub of choice is pubmed.
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23:30 < nmz787> kanzure: the grayfieldoptical is a weird one... it seems kinda like bunlk or pseudoscience... I watched a video of their stuff a while ago, 6 months ago or so, and it was filmed in like the 90s and the images weren't too amazing to me (maybe I'm not enough of a cytologist or something)
23:33 < nmz787> kanzure: it seemed like lots of super-fine tuning to get the absolute best image out of regular optics and optical techniques... but again, maybe I'm not enough of a cytologist or optician
23:35 < kanzure> .title
23:35 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry: that command is a web-service, but its response was too long.
23:39 < kanzure> nmz787, as far as i can tell there are far less people looking at possible optical microscope designs than i thought
23:40 < kanzure> and why aren't there combination telescope-microscope kits or something
23:47 < gene_hacker> there are, they just aren't very good
23:49 < kanzure> why do all bench microscopes look the same? why not just put it on an xy axis and be done with it..
23:49 < kanzure> don't forget z
23:49 < gene_hacker> convergent evolution
23:49 < kanzure> pfft i doubt it
23:50 < kanzure> but nice guess :p
23:50 < gene_hacker> tradition maybe?
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23:51 < kanzure> .wik immersion lithography
23:51 < yoleaux> "" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_lithography
23:52 < kanzure> dpk: something's wrong with the bot
23:52 < kanzure> anyway if lithography people were using something other than oil immersion, then why don't non-oil-immersion 1000x objectives work on light microscopes
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