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[~kumavis@24-196-137-155.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:53 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@unaffiliated/mosasaur] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:00 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@24-196-137-155.static.ftbg.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:06 < kanzure> that's boring 10:07 < delinquentme> ^ 10:07 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@67.176.51.230] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:07 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08 < kanzure> what? 10:08 < chris_99> http://hackaday.io/project/1376-PyPPM%3A-A-Proton-Precession-Magnetometer-for-all! 10:08 < chris_99> seems interesting 11:01 < kanzure> .title http://pastebin.com/2qbRKh3R 11:01 < yoleaux> ALL CREDIT CARD PIN CODES IN THE WORLD LEAKED 11:02 < chris_99> hahaha 11:02 < chris_99> i'm guessing 0000 - 9999 11:02 < chris_99> scary shit right there! 11:03 < kanzure> yep 11:04 < joepie91_> it's amazing how I can track the spreading of that link 11:04 < joepie91_> from one channel, to #swhack, to here 11:04 < joepie91_> lol 11:05 < kanzure> all things go through irc 11:09 < dingo> lol 11:22 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:29 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 < kanzure> antibody stain visualization site thing http://www.visabl.com/ 11:40 -!- ielo [~ielo@134.219.227.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@67.176.51.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00 < chris_99> time to try out brlcad, fingers crossed it imports something a bit better than freecad 12:00 < kanzure> consider using python-brlcad (there's a bunch of stuff missing, but you can still access the underlying brlcad functions) 12:01 < kanzure> yashgaroth: can an antibody stain be made for most proteins? 12:01 < chris_99> what's the difference between that an brlcad? 12:02 < yashgaroth> pretty much 12:02 < kanzure> you get to use python instead of tcl 12:02 < chris_99> ah ok 12:02 < kanzure> yashgaroth: what things am i missing? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/ 12:03 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8b92a063 Bryan Bishop: also mention recombinant monoclonal antibodies >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/ 12:04 < yashgaroth> biopharmaceuticals in general, though most of them are monoclonals 12:05 < kanzure> someone asked me the other day why custom dna is important 12:06 < kanzure> ranting about random crops with herbicide resistance is sort of a non-answer 12:06 < yashgaroth> I mean it's used every day in research labs, but if you're going for a list of stuff that's been commercialized then it's not bad 12:07 < yashgaroth> rant about cancer, people love that 12:07 < kanzure> well, with an actual ability to make custom dna, we could be doing other things 12:07 < yashgaroth> DNA vaccines, if those ever get off the ground 12:08 < yashgaroth> oh and gene therapy stuff in general 12:10 < yashgaroth> wait, by "we" do you mean us with a dna synthesizer? 12:10 < kanzure> sort of, not specifically us, but including us 12:10 < kanzure> with larger plasmids we could proably get entire metabolic pathways from one organism to another 12:10 < kanzure> (even if it requires lots of tweaking) 12:10 < kanzure> *probably 12:12 < yashgaroth> transferring genes between species often requires synthetic DNA to compensate for differences in codon preference 12:14 < yashgaroth> but of course that's like 5% of the work involved in making tomatoes generate fish antifreeze protein or whatever 12:16 < yashgaroth> I'm not experienced with trying to convince people who have no knowledge of molecular biology on the merits of it, really 12:16 < kanzure> a lot of it seems to be "finding really obscure industrial use cases" 12:17 < kanzure> "hey there's like 2 oil refineries that could use this enzyme to get a 20000% efficiency boost" "uh...." 12:18 < kanzure> on the other end of the spectrum are the sensor/diagnostic people 12:19 < yashgaroth> the bulk of 12:19 < yashgaroth> whoops hang on 12:20 < yashgaroth> bulk of DNA synthesis work, like in terms of total base pairs, is genome synthesis or high-throughput screening for drug discovery 12:20 < kanzure> i suppose genome synthesis' big use case is situations where you don't already have that organism laying around 12:21 < yashgaroth> or when you'd need to delete a bunch of it 12:21 < yashgaroth> delete/modify 12:22 < yashgaroth> and screening stuff, while using the same basic principles as gene synthesis, is just 'generate a billion random sequences and do phage display' 12:22 < kanzure> right 12:23 < yashgaroth> if you have an enzyme from organizm X that would improve organism Y, you identify modifications to make, maybe with a few variants, and have them made 12:24 < yashgaroth> then it's making a thousand clones with that gene added, and months to screen for one that it works well in 12:24 < yashgaroth> clones as in modified cells or organisms 12:28 < yashgaroth> nonetheless I would still like a DNA synthesizer if you clear it with DHS 12:31 < kanzure> do you think the current ones are under the jurisdiction of the DHS? 12:31 < yashgaroth> it's a very grey area 12:32 < yashgaroth> not directly like 'oh we gotta wait for our DHS synthesizer license renewal to come in' 12:34 < yashgaroth> I'm trying to think of a good comparison...something vaguely like precursor chemicals maybe 12:38 < yashgaroth> mixed with, like, building your own ICBM-compatible GPS circuit 12:41 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@c-50-129-87-238.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:46 -!- petrush [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-142-84.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 < kanzure> http://2008.igem.org/Team:Imperial_College "First by utilising an endogenous light-sensing mechanism, the bacteria is captured in the desired location using 3D holography. Next bacterial locomotion is suspended in the region of interest using a recently-discovered clutch mechanism. This involves disengaging the flagellum from the motor protein. Finally, when our bacteria are stationary in the correct location, the biomaterial production is ... 13:11 < kanzure> ... triggered. These biomaterials can self-assemble to form a 3D bio-scaffold." 13:11 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=pqEmKkY5DxA 13:11 < yoleaux> Biofabricator 13:34 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:35 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:37 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41 < kanzure> seba--: btw, your local school keeps winning all the igem competitions. you might want to go stalk them. 13:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 < kanzure> http://www.ardeypharm.de/en/ "Nissle 1917 is a commercially available non-pathogenic, probiotic strain of E. coli. It has been successfully used to treat gastrointestinal disorders including colitis and intestinal bowel disease and shows little immunostimulatory activity." 13:54 < kanzure> http://2008.igem.org/Team:MIT "Streptococcus mutans, the main cause of dental caries, binds to glycoproteins on the teeth. A clinical study (Kelly CG et al.; Nature Biotechnol. 1999) isolated the 20aa functional segment (p1025) that S.mutans uses to attach to the teeth. p1025 competitively inhibits the binding of S.mutans, causing unharmful bacteria to grow in its place, preventing the recolonization of S.mutans for 90 days. We are ... 13:54 < kanzure> ... engineering Lactobacillus bulgaricus, a bacteria commonly found in yogurt, to produce and secrete this peptide under a promoter activated by lactose." 14:05 < kanzure> wtf? http://2009.igem.org/Team:Todai-Tokyo "A large part of the world is bitter towards the act of smoking. However, many people like smoking or cannot quit. You might be one of such person. As a solution, what if a noxious smell is emitted from your mouth if you smoke by braking the "non-smoking promise"?? Your breath will stink and all the people around you: professors, friends, family members, and even your boy/girl friend will leave you. ... 14:05 < kanzure> ... You will have not choice but to live in isolation...." 14:05 < chris_99> haha, what's' their proposition? 14:07 < kanzure> microbe 14:08 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@8.36.227.149] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:08 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 14:09 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < seba--> kanzure, i know 14:28 < kanzure> alright 14:28 < seba--> kanzure, i'm at it 14:32 < kanzure> http://2009.igem.org/Team:UCL_London (fluorescent proteins to indicate different types of stress) 14:39 < seba--> kanzure, well my gf will go into a GMO PhD biotech now, so ... lol 14:56 -!- nshlike [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:14 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7210c215 Bryan Bishop: various igem projects >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/ 15:18 < AshleyWaffle> hey so brain computer interfaces can mostly just do input right now, right? 15:18 < AshleyWaffle> like recieve data 15:18 < AshleyWaffle> lets say they could output 15:18 < AshleyWaffle> A) do we know which part of the brain holds learning, so that you could feed info for example B) what is the theoretical maximum rate 15:18 < chris_99> have a look a transcranial magnetic stimulation etc. 15:18 < chris_99> *at 15:19 < AshleyWaffle> hm 15:19 < AshleyWaffle> does it have the level of precision needed for "downloading info" to the brain 15:19 < AshleyWaffle> ie books or osmething 15:19 < chris_99> no 15:20 < kanzure> yes, but your brain wouldn't understand it 15:20 < AshleyWaffle> Ah 15:20 < AshleyWaffle> Is there a way to do it in such a way that it would? 15:20 < kanzure> Has anyone ever done like which that? 15:20 < AshleyWaffle> Perhaps you just need to reverse engineer how the information is encoded that is recieved neurally 15:20 < AshleyWaffle> What? 15:20 < yashgaroth> maximum theoretical rate is ~1 martial art style/sec, per the matrix 15:21 < AshleyWaffle> lol 15:21 < AshleyWaffle> and yeah I mean matrix learning 15:21 < AshleyWaffle> im interested in it 15:21 < AshleyWaffle> I struggle with motivation and other issues, I could just consume all books related to psychology, NLP, and self-help in like 5 minutes or something 15:21 < AshleyWaffle> or at least without needing to be motivated to read them lol 15:21 < kanzure> there are drugs that can change motivation 15:22 -!- seba-- is now known as seba- 15:22 < kanzure> also deep brain stimulation and other forms of brain damage 15:22 < AshleyWaffle> yes but even then my goal would still be accelerated learning 15:22 < AshleyWaffle> because self-improving 15:22 < AshleyWaffle> is there a theoretical limit on how much someone can know? 15:22 < AshleyWaffle> or does the brain have tons of "extra space" 15:22 < kanzure> yes, look up thermodynamic limits of superobjects 15:23 < seba-> what 15:23 < AshleyWaffle> well... the only limits arent just thermodynamic in nature right? lol 15:23 < kanzure> there is an information theoretic limit to the amount of information storable per unit of energy/atom 15:23 < AshleyWaffle> I mean a non-augmented brain 15:23 < kanzure> it is a maximum limit 15:23 < kanzure> well, you asked.. 15:23 < AshleyWaffle> no, I mean information per human brain 15:23 < seba-> lol 15:23 < AshleyWaffle> hi seba- 15:23 < seba-> hi AshleyWaffle 15:23 < kanzure> merkle did an estimation of the information content of the human brain 15:24 < AshleyWaffle> content or capacity? 15:24 < kanzure> whatever 15:24 < AshleyWaffle> mmm 15:24 < AshleyWaffle> what is it? 15:24 < kanzure> http://www.merkle.com/humanMemory.html 15:24 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, hello! 15:24 < seba-> AshleyWaffle, bunga bunga? 15:24 < AshleyWaffle> can we get a measurement in books? 15:24 < AshleyWaffle> hey FourFire 15:25 < seba-> in LoC? 15:25 < AshleyWaffle> ? 15:25 < FourFire> afaik BCI are input only currently, but you can look into TransCranial Stimulation and LED shining through the skull 15:25 < kanzure> ugh, you are all terrible people 15:25 < seba-> kanzure, why 15:25 < kanzure> how the fuck does electrophysiology work if you can't read neural signals 15:25 < kanzure> your understanding of the world is totally inconsistent 15:26 < seba-> oh that. 15:26 < AshleyWaffle> ??? 15:26 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, I would hazard that with current technology it would be more effective to do some of the more scientifically proven hynosis methods with VR (sight and sound) which is optimized for learning 15:26 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophysiology#Extracellular_recording 15:26 < seba-> :o 15:26 < FourFire> we can't beam knowledge in curcumventing the senses yet 15:27 < FourFire> there are some experiments being done in erasing memories in mice, but that's the opposite of what you're asking about 15:27 < seba-> just implant a SD card and a brain2ttl converter 15:27 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microelectrode_array 15:28 < AshleyWaffle> FourFire: I see, interesting 15:28 < FourFire> kanzure, please, don't be so misanthropic, I might not be as great and knowing as you, but I may yet help the cause... 15:28 < AshleyWaffle> FourFire: which techniques are proven 15:28 < seba-> we should implant into frigid girls an orgasm on demand module 15:28 < kanzure> FourFire: just don't say wrong things 15:28 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, the limits aren't brain capacity, they are bandwidth 15:28 < kanzure> what 15:28 < FourFire> (for the time being, that is) 15:28 < AshleyWaffle> kanzure: sometimes people are wrong :/ 15:29 < AshleyWaffle> FourFire: also the word you're looking for isn't misanthropic 15:29 < seba-> i am 15:29 < AshleyWaffle> FourFire: Oh? What's the quickest way to learn 15:29 < FourFire> kanzure, I can't not say wrong things without knowing the universal truths, but what I can say are approximations based on my best knowledge, which may or may not be superior to the person i am conversing with 15:29 < kanzure> the quickest way to learn is to limit yourself to things that have extremely steep learning curves 15:30 < kanzure> FourFire: i have no clue how your "best knowledge" would tell you that electrophysiological recordings are fake.... 15:30 < kanzure> seba-: i'd vote in support of orgasmobuttons, pudendal nerve stuff, etc. 15:30 < kanzure> seba-: unfortunately, it would work in both females and males, not meeting your frigid girls-only requirement.. 15:31 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, well schools suck, and I am not proven to be skilled at it, but I've found I can learn something which interests me where I absolutely must gather more knowledge in order to think about it in my head 15:31 < FourFire> so, yeah steep learning curve, + interest in modeling with the subject in question 15:31 < AshleyWaffle> adjusting for learning curves 15:31 < seba-> kanzure :-( 15:31 < kanzure> seba-: is that really the end of the world haha 15:31 < AshleyWaffle> so the curve for everything = X 15:31 < AshleyWaffle> what is the quickest way to learn 15:32 < seba-> kanzure, imagine porn with orgasmic feedback 15:32 < FourFire> kanzure, I didn't say anything whatsoever about electrophysiological recordings 15:32 < kanzure> FourFire: you said that brain computer interfaces can't read 15:32 < kanzure> FourFire: that they can only stimulate 15:32 < kanzure> seba-: i dunno if i can, what would that mean 15:32 < AshleyWaffle> please dont fight ;-; 15:32 < FourFire> wait what? 15:33 < FourFire> I meant the reverse, of course, lol 15:33 < AshleyWaffle> FourFire: dont engage :( 15:33 < kanzure> FourFire: 15:25 < FourFire> BCI are input only 15:33 < AshleyWaffle> kanzure: yeah input from the computers perspective 15:33 < AshleyWaffle> now pls no fight 15:33 < seba-> kanzure, it's like with sound, or visual, only that you would achieve orgasm at the same time and way as in the porn video 15:33 < kanzure> AshleyWaffle: nobody is fighting, relax 15:33 < seba-> we could call it 5D porn 15:33 < FourFire> they can't stimulate, can only read (unless you mean intrusive, which I don't) 15:33 < FourFire> input... from the user... user input 15:34 < kanzure> seba-: oh i see, i dunno what the time-to-orgasm is after stimulation of that nerve, might not be a direct relationship 15:34 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, don't worry about us arguing, I understand that a little conversational rustle tustle is a requirement for conversing with kanzure ;) 15:34 < seba-> kanzure, what about anal electroshocks, i've heard you ejaculate 15:34 < seba-> +that 15:35 < kanzure> why do you guys insist that you have to fight me to talk with me 15:35 < seba-> i wonder if that's true, if also girls achieve orgasm, by anal electroshocks 15:35 < seba-> AshleyWaffle, could you try? 15:35 < kanzure> stop calling it fighting 15:35 < FourFire> of course, if you're going to be putting electrodes in places withy nerves you can force inputs 15:35 < AshleyWaffle> lol 15:35 < kanzure> seba-: pudendal nerves work just fine iirc 15:35 < AshleyWaffle> kanzure: oh youre a wimminz? :D 15:35 < kanzure> .g wimminz 15:35 < yoleaux> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wimminz 15:35 < kanzure> .ud wimminz 15:36 < seba-> kanzure, how do you stimulate it? 15:36 < kanzure> .u wimminz 15:36 < yoleaux> No characters found 15:36 < AshleyWaffle> LOL 15:36 < seba-> could you use electricity 15:36 < seba-> hm 15:36 < FourFire> but I doubt you can pass on *knowledge* except on the order of single bytes that way with current tech 15:36 < kanzure> seba-: ultrasound 15:36 < kanzure> seba-: ultrasound, electricity, etc 15:36 < seba-> oh 15:36 < AshleyWaffle> the urban dictionary page is awful 15:36 < seba-> how do you do it with ultrasound? 15:36 < kanzure> FourFire: knowledge might not exist in any biologically relevant way 15:36 < kanzure> seba-: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ 15:36 < FourFire> "w'ere gonna send an SOS, when you're jizzing, that's a dash, when you're dryclenching, that's a dot" 15:36 < seba-> oh 15:37 < seba-> have you tried it? 15:37 < kanzure> nope 15:37 < kanzure> but there's bunches of research 15:37 < nmz787> why do android file paths have so many directories in them? 15:37 < FourFire> kanzure, your definitions are vague and an attractor to pointless argument. 15:37 < FourFire> kanzure, people can write books 15:37 < nmz787> like in compiling projects 15:37 < kanzure> FourFire: which definition is vague pls 15:37 < FourFire> books contain knowledge 15:38 < kanzure> haha no 15:38 < FourFire> therefore people can contain AND pass on knowledge 15:38 < kanzure> books do not contain knowledge 15:38 < seba-> it would be interesting 15:38 < seba-> this is the future 15:38 < seba-> masturbation devices using this 15:38 < kanzure> knowledge is what happens when you read a book and think about the symbols, and then try to reconstruct the meaning the author intended 15:38 < gradstudentbot> Wow, very ethical. 15:38 < FourFire> aright, books contain patterns which can be decoded using human brains into knowledge, which is stored biologically 15:38 < chris_99> gradstudentbot, get back to research boy! 15:38 < gradstudentbot> Does this look contaminated to you? 15:38 < seba-> you could make female panties having this inside 15:38 < kanzure> it may not be stored biologically at all 15:38 < AshleyWaffle> gradstudentbot: whats unethical? 15:38 < gradstudentbot> Where did you put my samples? 15:39 < seba-> so when they are bored they can just engage it 15:39 < kanzure> the human brain is quite lossy at remembering certain things 15:39 < nmz787> its all memes 15:39 < AshleyWaffle> are there male panties? 15:39 < kanzure> AshleyWaffle: he means the orgasm button may be unethical 15:39 < AshleyWaffle> kanzure: thats a pretty disgusting position to hold 15:39 < seba-> AshleyWaffle, probably 15:39 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, you're talking about wireheading 15:39 < FourFire> which has ethical qualms attached 15:39 < seba-> anyway 15:39 < kanzure> AshleyWaffle: radstudentbot? yeah, well.. 15:40 < AshleyWaffle> FourFire: huh? 15:40 < seba-> maybe this nerve gets stimulated 15:40 < nmz787> yo dawg i heard you like knowledge, so i encoded your meme into book, so you can deocde while you reload 15:40 < seba-> by anal probes 15:40 < AshleyWaffle> uh fuck ethics? 15:41 < gradstudentbot> Man, if only I could biopsy his organs. 15:42 < FourFire> "why do you guys insist that you have to fight me to talk with me" I don't AshleyWaffle is, I just find it difficult to communicate relatively simple concepts to you, which is annoying since you seem intelligent, just slightly malicious in your (probably not actually deliberate) misunderstanding 15:42 < kanzure> maybe your concepts aren't as simple as you've been mislead into thinking 15:42 < kanzure> (human) "memory" is extremely weird 15:42 < kanzure> and "knowledge" 15:43 < seba-> AshleyWaffle is probably working for you 15:43 < FourFire> kanzure, ok, how is "knowledge" as you define it, stored or transferred in some way involving brains, which is not biological in nature? 15:43 < seba-> how much did you pay her? 15:43 < kanzure> working for which one? 15:43 < kanzure> FourFire: i'm not sure if i would say it is; i would say that human brains are able to communicate with each other, and then they reconstruct messages and on each end 15:43 < seba-> i wonder if anyone has done research on this hm 15:44 < seba-> http://www.mmsinternational.com/int/681/gastroenterology-pudendal-nerve-stimulation 15:44 < seba-> lol 15:44 < FourFire> kanzure, then it's like i said with a pattern being encoded and put into books, which is then decoded inside a brain 15:45 < FourFire> and thus *knowledge* has been passed 15:45 < kanzure> yeah, but you wouldn't say the knowledge is in the book 15:45 < kanzure> like you did 15:45 < FourFire> yes, perhaps it's too abstract a concept for you to take seriously 15:45 < kanzure> i would say that if knowledge is "communicated" at all, it is by each side of the communication generating it on its own or something, based on their attempts at communication 15:46 < seba-> oh 15:46 < seba-> there's a word for this 15:46 < seba-> electroejaculation 15:46 < seba-> lol 15:46 < kanzure> seba-: hmm i thought i had a paper or two about this, but i can't find it 15:46 < seba-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroejaculation 15:46 < FourFire> this damned bandwidth limitation is encouraging me to compress my information transfer into abstractions 15:46 < seba-> i wonder if this works on humans 15:46 < kanzure> of course it does 15:46 < seba-> does it work also on women? 15:46 < kanzure> yes 15:46 < seba-> nice 15:46 < seba-> i must try it 15:47 < kanzure> various car injuries have caused damage to this nerve in the past 15:47 < FourFire> so instead of saying "I.I.S.A.A.P.I.A.B.A.T.D.I.A.B" I say "knowledge is in books" 15:47 < kanzure> now you have a reason to drive even more recklessly 15:47 < seba-> Electroejaculation is usually carried out under a general anesthetic. 15:47 < seba-> huh 15:47 < FourFire> why can i say this to any other person, but not you? 15:47 < seba-> why? 15:47 < seba-> is it painful? 15:47 < kanzure> seba-: depends on their method of stimulation! i imagine that "electrojaculation" might just be "electroshock" without specifically targetting a certain nerve. 15:48 < kanzure> FourFire: because i am not okay bullshitting you 15:48 < kanzure> FourFire: unless i am trolling you on purpose 15:48 < kanzure> in which case, sky's the limit 15:49 < gradstudentbot> Is that published? 15:49 < seba-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_electrostimulation 15:49 < seba-> lol 15:49 < seba-> wtf 15:49 < seba-> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Electric_Stimulation.jpg/800px-Electric_Stimulation.jpg 15:49 < FourFire> fine, so the brains don't ever contain knowledge... 15:49 < seba-> lol 15:50 < jrayhawk_> transhumanism.jpg 15:50 < FourFire> they just contain the biological-alphabet equivalent to a decoder that can parse PI into any arbitrary information 15:50 < FourFire> and books contain alphabet PI 15:50 < kanzure> haha yeah right, 15:50 < gradstudentbot> I punched my PI and that's why I work here now :\ 15:50 < kanzure> you can show people the same book and not everyone will extract the same information 15:51 < nmz787> PI? Private Investigator? 15:51 < FourFire> books contain alphabet PI, kanzure, and humans can write alphabet PI into books, therefore the information which can be decoded from alphabet PI is being transferred somehow! 15:51 < kanzure> principal investogator :p 15:51 < kanzure> FourFire: how did this turn into information? i thought you said knowledge 15:51 < nmz787> re the non gradstudentbot comments? 15:51 < gradstudentbot> I have to read all these articles. 15:51 < nmz787> alphabet principal investigator? 15:52 < kanzure> hrm 15:52 < kanzure> good point 15:52 < nmz787> a prof that studies language? 15:52 < FourFire> so when you say " knowledge might not exist in any biologically relevant way" how does it even have meaning? 15:52 < FourFire> this is what I mean by your definitions being vague and an attractor to pointless argument 15:53 < kanzure> it means "folk psychology often encroaches far beyond the theoretical studies' results" 15:53 < kanzure> "folk psychology is not necessarily going to lead to results where your understanding of how the brain operates happens to map to reality" 15:53 < seba-> Something went haywire with his balls, and before a procedure to fix the damage a brisk military nurse hooked him up to a device without explaining what she was doing. It wasn't a rectal deal like this thing, more like adhesive pads hooked to a box. 15:53 < seba-> Nurse Ratched grabbed his dong with a specimen cup in hand and hit the switch. He described the orgasm as mind blowing. With a grin from ear to ear he asked where he could purchase one of the devices. 15:53 < seba-> hm 15:54 < FourFire> kanzure, because your were purpoisely being obtuse in such a way that i can only suspect you wanted me to completely redefine whatever you're waving as "knowledge" into something I can actually use to talk to you about 15:54 < FourFire> you* 15:54 < kanzure> FourFire: look, if you want "matrix-style learning", you will first have to investigate whether or not it is possible, not just make up whatever definitions you want 15:54 < kanzure> reality owes you nothing 15:54 < kanzure> it will not just happen to map directly to notions of memory that turn out to be physically implausible 15:54 < FourFire> please explain "knowledge might not exist in any biologically relevant way" in different words 15:55 < kanzure> 15:52 < kanzure> it means "folk psychology often encroaches far beyond the theoretical studies' results" 15:55 < FourFire> ok 15:55 < nmz787> seba-: for cattle i read they use fake cows, which they get the bull to mount... i wonder if they use the method you mention too 15:55 < seba-> nmz787 they do 15:55 < kanzure> what? really? 15:55 < nmz787> it might freak the bull out 15:55 < seba-> but i'm wondering if it's used in males 15:55 < seba-> human ones 15:55 < nmz787> he would be an o'organic' bull anymore maybe :P 15:56 < nmz787> they o in o' was a typo 15:56 < FourFire> I agree that different people can get different "knowledge" out of the same book 15:56 < gradstudentbot> My code works. I have no idea why... 15:56 < nmz787> FourFire: that's the whole idea of stenography 15:57 < nmz787> the decoder matters 15:57 < nmz787> same thing with an SD card and a computer 15:57 < FourFire> there is no way that information exists in brains in anywhere near something like it does in computers and other nonbiological information storage systems 15:57 < nmz787> if the deocoder doesn;t work, blah, garbage 15:57 < nmz787> same in DNA with frameshifts 15:57 < nmz787> as they say in thailan, 'its same same' 15:57 < FourFire> nmz787, in this case I mean something with no "hidden messages" but sure 15:58 < nmz787> or chemical reaction ordering 15:58 < nmz787> it matters 15:58 < nmz787> or the end result differs 15:58 < seba-> nmz787, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmZ19Sxab_4 15:58 < FourFire> did we scare AshleyWaffle off? 15:58 < kanzure> nmz787: someone asked me about "useful projects that could be done if whole genome synthesis was a few million times cheaper", http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/ am i missing anything obvious? 16:01 < nmz787> kanzure: yea, more drugs... artemisinin, etc... 16:01 < seba-> kanzure you also watch it 16:01 < seba-> it's interesting 16:01 < kanzure> seba-: http://www.psas.nl/artikelen/TENS.pdf 16:02 < kanzure> seba-: there are others but i don't remember them at the moment 16:02 < seba-> i wonder if it works on females 16:02 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmZ19Sxab_4 16:02 < yoleaux> bull electroejac 16:02 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, the thing is, that I was about to explain to you, that we know oursenses can pass on information into our brains, but we honestly have no idea what nerve signal encoding protocols exist and which to use in the case of directly stimulating nerves, so when I say "I doubt you could pass on *knowledge* past some bytes, I mean you might be able to induce pavlovian responses or something like that, but nothing more until we 16:02 < FourFire> learn more about how info goes around the body 16:02 < kanzure> nmz787: well, drugs are kinda obvious i guess, but i'm looking for other things 16:03 < kanzure> nmz787: i know i've seen all sorts of magical transgenic things in the past, but i wasn't keeping a list 16:03 < kanzure> this one was pretty clever- "treat allergic rhinitis by engineering Staphylococcus epidermidis, a microbe endogenous to the human nasal flora, to secrete a recombinant histamine-binding protein in response to the elevated histamine concentrations of an allergic response" 16:03 < FourFire> AshleyWaffle, so, like I said, the most effective method of learning with current tech might be VR + hypontism + optimized lessons/video/gamelevel scenarios for teaching you whatever skill 16:03 < nmz787> kanzure: i don't think anything is obvious to uneducated people 16:03 < FourFire> nothing like in the matrix 16:03 < seba-> kanzure but this stopped orgasm, i want the opposite 16:04 < kanzure> FourFire: you know people actually study learning, and i'm pretty sure hypnotism is not the method that comes out on top 16:04 < kanzure> seba-: yeah, it goes both ways depending on type of stimulation, iirc 16:04 < seba-> oh 16:04 < kanzure> seba-: the hackerspace in prague built a device to do it 16:04 < kanzure> pasky: do you remember the name of the brmlab orgasmotron 16:04 < seba-> really 16:04 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04 < seba-> why do they use it for 16:04 < kanzure> i think pasky might know 16:05 < FourFire> kanzure, well I don't know if you'd classify causing people to be in a mental state which facilitates learning as hypnotism 16:05 < seba-> watch the video, then google terrorist stuff, then watch more cow semen collection videos. repeat this for 8 hours then some guy at the nsa will have to watch the bull semen videos over and over while analyzing them for codes and secret messages. 16:05 < seba-> ahahahhaha 16:05 < FourFire> you could do that with trained cues, or controlled environmental factors, not that I know what those are 16:05 < kanzure> seba-: only funny if they don't like it 16:05 < FourFire> seba-, lel 16:06 < FourFire> because of people like you seba- there's some people with weird boners working at the NSA 16:06 < kanzure> yeah, like people who like math 16:06 < kanzure> sickos 16:07 < nmz787> i doubt neural codings are standardized within the species 16:07 < kanzure> oh i didn't mean a specific neural ensemble encoding 16:07 < seba-> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electroejaculation.jpg 16:07 < seba-> lol 16:07 < seba-> wikipedia has everything 16:08 < FourFire> kanzure, I hope to use the last one on your list someay 16:08 < FourFire> someday* 16:09 < kanzure> my sarcastic comment about math? 16:09 < FourFire> no, sorry "DNA vaccines" 16:09 < kanzure> it's obviously referring to the fact that the nsa has a weird balance between math for defense and math for offense 16:09 < FourFire> i's been done already, but what if you could do that on a person by person basis 16:11 < FourFire> 1$ to map a genome and then output an active retrovirus containing a "perfect" variant of their genome with all the broken disease alleles replaced with nice working ones 16:11 < FourFire> jab them , get them to stay indoors for a week... 16:12 < FourFire> but then you've got to be realistic about these things, this type of technology won't exist for many decades 16:13 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@232-13-15.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 16:13 < kanzure> yeah, retroviruses don't exist 16:13 < kanzure> duh 16:13 < kanzure> wtf is his problem? 16:14 < seba-> Volts are slowly increased until a man ejaculates. The majority of men are able to ejaculate in under 20 volts. 16:14 < seba-> lol 16:14 < seba-> this is funny 16:14 < seba-> under 20 volts 16:14 < seba-> haha 16:15 < kanzure> it's pretty common 16:15 < kanzure> i mean, it's depicted in the media often 16:15 < kanzure> sold in stores, etc 16:17 < seba-> bizzare 16:19 < kanzure> remind me to never take you to a livestock store 16:20 < seba-> Out of curiosity I took one of the pads from just above my knee and placed it on the under side of the head of my penis. OMG!!! Within 5 minutes I reached an ejaculation that was unbelievable. 16:20 < seba-> lol 16:20 < seba-> but this is not ok 5 min, i thought it's instantaneous 16:21 < jrayhawk_> no, man, you have to take it slow with your pelvic floor. take it to a movie, buy it flowers... 16:21 < jrayhawk_> you don't want to scare it off! 16:23 < seba-> this is bizzare 16:24 < seba-> i wonder if it really works, i can't find a human video 16:24 < seba-> lol 16:24 < jrayhawk_> well, you have to pay for those 16:25 < seba-> hm 16:26 < seba-> i guess it should work 16:26 < seba-> why not 16:26 < seba-> i just never thought about it 16:26 < seba-> until today 16:26 < seba-> lol 16:26 < kanzure> it is very clear that you never dated anyone with an electricity kink 16:27 < seba-> of course i didn't lol 16:27 < seba-> anyway, i still don't get how you can use pulses to stimulate and destimulate 16:27 < seba-> how does that work?! 16:27 < kanzure> membrane potential stuff 16:29 < seba-> yes but is it frequency (waveform) or just amplitude (voltage/current) ? 16:33 < seba-> hm 16:33 < seba-> apparently DC works better 16:33 < seba-> one guy said he achieved with DC a 2 min orgasm 16:33 < seba-> interesting 16:34 < seba-> oh 16:34 < seba-> he inserts the probe 16:34 < seba-> directly in his prostate 16:34 < seba-> lulz 16:34 < seba-> wtf 16:34 < seba-> these people are crazy 16:47 < seba-> kanzure, so do you know a girl with such kinks? 16:54 < kanzure> hmm 16:54 < kanzure> maybe 16:56 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 < seba-> http://www.google.com/patents/US3941136 17:00 < kanzure> .title 17:00 < yoleaux> Method for artificially inducing urination, defecation, or sexual excitation 17:07 < seba-> but it doesn't state anything about ejaculation 17:09 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-24-20-19-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29 < jrayhawk_> experimentation with electrostimulation is somewhat common in the BDSM scene, though a large portion of that is just for pain's sake 17:30 < seba-> jrayhawk_, it seems very interesting 17:30 < seba-> jrayhawk_, you should do some research 17:30 < seba-> i'm interested in some things 17:31 < jrayhawk_> the extreme body mod scene had a lot more dedication to electrojaculation 17:31 < seba-> jrayhawk_, that patent talks only about erection 17:31 < seba-> i'm wondering if you keep at 20 V if you ejaculate 17:31 < seba-> can you try? 17:31 < kanzure> i doubt that people in "the BDSM scene" care about patents 17:32 < seba-> it's a bit different position 17:32 < seba-> of electrodes 17:32 < seba-> than the BDSM scene 17:32 < seba-> i wonder what happens 17:32 < seba-> apparently 30 V make you shit yourself 17:33 < jrayhawk_> "17:32 < seba-> can you try?" my expertise comes exclusively from exposure to videos from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_sites 17:34 < jrayhawk_> i do not actually have particular interest or opportunity to try anything 17:35 < seba-> oh :( 17:35 < seba-> jrayhawk_ i thought you have this at home 17:36 < kanzure> because he said two things? 17:36 < seba-> kanzure yes 17:36 < jrayhawk_> nope, but the BME community can probably help you out. 17:37 < jrayhawk_> http://wiki.bme.com/index.php?title=Electrical_Play 17:38 < jrayhawk_> I think a lot of their content, including the "Extreme" section,\ is paywalled. 17:39 < kanzure> "too extreme for the internet at large" 17:39 * kanzure shakes his head 17:39 < kanzure> you know, there used to be a time when i couldn't go a day without being tricked into viewing yet another shock site 17:40 < kanzure> times'a changing 17:40 < jrayhawk_> I am sure the BME Pain Olympics figured heavily into those shock sites. 17:40 < kanzure> it seems like cheating if all the content was from a single source 17:44 < jrayhawk_> oh, and their forums, apparently 17:44 < jrayhawk_> i guess that makes sense. 17:45 < seba-> kanzure is your girlfriend on irc 17:45 < seba-> so that she can try this 17:45 < seba-> or ex gf 17:47 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-142-84.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47 < kanzure> i don't think any of my girlfriends were ever into electroanything 17:47 < kanzure> (or me for that matter) 17:47 < seba-> oh 17:48 < nmz787> they weren't into thinking? or their heart beating? 17:48 < kanzure> yeah, fuck hearts 17:48 < kanzure> wait what? 17:48 < pasky> kanzure: multistim 17:48 < kanzure> ahh multistim heh 17:48 < kanzure> what did it do again? 17:48 < nmz787> "kanzure, sorry, I'm not into electrical-potential gradients" 17:49 < kanzure> nmz787: "i am not into carbon-based lifeforms either" 17:49 < nmz787> "i'm not into gradients" 17:49 < pasky> hmm it had pressure regulators, electrodes, and maybe some other... output devices 17:50 < pasky> they couldn't sell enough of them for the pricetag (about 1500USD), they plan to do a cheaper version sometime in the future 17:50 < kanzure> "couldn't sell enough of them" is sometimes used as a euphemism for "they were selling too quickly" 17:51 < kanzure> and the literal meaning is "they couldn't sell any" 17:51 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53 < seba-> pasky, so have you tried this http://www.google.com/patents/US3941136 17:53 < seba-> can you shit yourself? 17:53 < seba-> it says you can achieve erection by 20 V and then 10 V 17:54 < seba-> if you keep at 20 V, do you orgasm? 17:54 < seba-> can you try? 17:54 < seba-> also it doesn't say if you need a higher voltage for shitting or for urinating 17:54 < seba-> can you please try? 18:01 < kanzure> why do you think everyone has tried this stuff 18:01 < kanzure> pasky is just someone i know that goes to a hackerspace sometimes 18:01 < kanzure> and that hackerspace has a machine some other people built 18:01 < seba-> so he has access to this 18:01 < gradstudentbot> Can I get my own desk? 18:01 < kanzure> "I worked on the firmware for the "Applied Biosystems ABI Prism 310 DNA Sequencer"." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7893423 18:04 -!- nell [~raz@unaffiliated/alusion] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:04 < nell> im almost done reading the transhumanist reader 18:04 < kanzure> ouch 18:04 < kanzure> how bad is it 18:04 < nell> It's bearable 18:04 < kanzure> really? 18:04 < nell> Natasha is a hottie 18:05 < kanzure> that makes it bearable? 18:05 < nell> lol 18:07 < nell> I got Natasha's email to try and spin something together with transhumanism & the maker movement. 18:07 < nell> also does anyone here program lisp 18:11 < kanzure> there's a few lispers 18:11 < kanzure> what do you mean "spin".. do you mean "write an article for hplusmagazine"? :( 18:13 < nell> Wow.. Awesome, I never knew about it 18:13 < kanzure> never knew about lisp? 18:13 < nell> hplusmagazine 18:13 < nell> I usually follow kurzweilai and singularityhub 18:13 < kanzure> i regret telling you about it 18:13 < kanzure> oh man those two are pretty bad too 18:13 < kanzure> why do you read these 18:14 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@8.36.227.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:14 < nell> I don't really read, it's candy for my brain in the morning 18:14 < kanzure> i see 18:14 < kanzure> well, as long as you recognize it's just infotainment 18:14 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it's definitely impractical and fairly non-elegant at the same time. 18:15 < nell> infotainment, I'm very glad this has entered my vocabulary 18:15 < nell> I gotta get back to scheme 18:15 < nell> ciao 18:15 -!- nell [~raz@unaffiliated/alusion] has left ##hplusroadmap ["WeeChat 1.0-dev"] 18:15 < kanzure> i think this person was last around 2012-09-25 18:18 < yashgaroth> ah yes 21:18 < yashgaroth> shut the fuck up alusion 18:19 < kanzure> lovely 18:19 < kanzure> http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/PowerRangers.jpg 18:29 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-1.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- joepie91_ [5064fe45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.100.254.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:46 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-1.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55 < nmz787> http://karenkilgariff.bandcamp.com/track/look-at-your-phone 19:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-55-2-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:22 < eudoxia> i was too late to catch the lisper 19:22 < eudoxia> i'm losing my edge 19:44 < kanzure> you can still rewrite nanoengineer for gene_hacker 19:44 < catern> eudoxia: what were you going to do with him if you caught him 19:50 < eudoxia> catern: do i look like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? i'm a dog chasing cars. i wouldn't know what to do with one if i caught it! the mob has plans. the cops have plans. people who use haskell have plans. you know, they're schemers. that's why scheme is called scheme. schemers trying to control their little worlds. 19:57 < kanzure> "Needle complex of Salmonella typhimurium" http://2010.igem.org/wiki/images/8/8c/HokkaidoU_Japan_Fig1.jpg 19:57 < kanzure> now that is nanotechnology 19:58 < kanzure> "Its length is about 80nm and the diameter of its needle channel is about 2nm." 19:58 < eudoxia> it looks like one of those spinny merkle/freitas things that would never work irl 19:59 < kanzure> http://2010.igem.org/Team:HokkaidoU_Japan/Projects 20:02 < kanzure> http://2010.igem.org/File:HokkaidoU_Japan_Fig6.jpg 20:03 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_three_secretion_system 20:05 < kanzure> "The ability of intracellular bacteria to migrate between host cells." 20:15 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-1.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:20 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d108-180-140-115.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- Adifex is now known as night 20:37 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-1.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-1.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:43 < kanzure> microfluidic flow generator by coating microcapillaries with bacteria http://2010.igem.org/Team:SDU-Denmark/project-i 20:58 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-55-2-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: wow such sleepytime] 20:59 < kanzure> 3d printing material (light-induced cell lysis release of polyhydroxybutyrate plastic) http://2010.igem.org/Team:Caltech 21:11 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=aa1333e5 Bryan Bishop: igem projects from 2010 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/ 21:11 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-74-79-151.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:54 < kanzure> what http://2011.igem.org/Team:Kyoto "We created new E.coli which hunts and eats insects. As such we named it Carnivorous E.coli. Carnivorous E.coli emits light when it is hungry. This will attract insects to it. Then, it secretes a viscous substance to capture the insects. The captured insects are digested by the chitinase in the secretion. Long story short, our Carnivorous E.coli can hunt." 22:09 < kanzure> http://2011.igem.org/Team:NYMU-Taipei "To achieve this goal, we use a species of magnetic bacterium, Magnetospirillum magneticum AMB-1. We have chosen mms13, a transmembrane protein as our target for protein design in this bacterium, as it serves as a linker between reception of wireless magnetic field and optogenetic neuro-stimulation output. Regarding the neuroimmune response, we have utilized three genes to achieve neurosymbiosis within ... 22:09 < kanzure> ... glial cells: MinC, a division inhibitor, INV, a gene for invasion and LLO, a gene for facilitating escapes from phagosomes." 22:17 < kanzure> "A pilus is typically 6 to 7 nm in diameter. During conjugation, a pilus emerging from donor bacterium ensnares the recipient bacterium, draws it in close, and eventually triggers the formation of a mating bridge, which establishes direct contact and the formation of a controlled pore that allows transfer of DNA from the donor to the recipient. Typically, the DNA transferred consists of the genes required to make and transfer pili (often ... 22:17 < kanzure> ... encoded on a plasmid), and so is a kind of selfish DNA; however, other pieces of DNA are often co-transferred and this can result in dissemination of genetic traits, such as antibiotic resistance, among a bacterial population. Not all bacteria can make conjugative pili, but conjugation can occur between bacteria of different species." 22:17 < kanzure> huh, i didn't know they had a 7 nm diameter 22:19 < gradstudentbot> You know, I hear you make more money being a garbage man. 22:29 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:35 < kanzure> reflectin thin films http://2011.igem.org/Team:Cambridge#/Project/Microscopy "This animation is composed of layers taken as the microscope was focused through the layers of a sample of reflective squid cells from the eye cup mounted in Phosphate buffered saline" 23:18 -!- voodster [~je@95.129.166.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:23 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-24-20-19-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:26 -!- voodster [~je@95.129.166.182] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 23:31 < kanzure> more on that syringe protein http://2011.igem.org/Team:HokkaidoU_Japan 23:32 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-197-83-154.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-234-109-120.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:52 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=062e285e Bryan Bishop: igem projects from 2011 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/ --- Log closed Sun Jun 15 00:00:35 2014