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05:58 < kanzure> not quite right https://github.com/kanzure/modelo/commit/56e875e2f0703a4c0664a4b026805f9d4682beb9
06:08 < nshsome> --
06:08 < nshsome> 	<script>jwplayer.key="1DA5i284rFHQmjRtefTAkfx334rZ9i9TqtvllqxpAlo=";</script>
06:08 < nshsome> 	<script src="/js/Player.js"></script>
06:08 < nshsome> -- http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2dd7fb4fb80510c0673ce53801fec360.txt
06:08 < nshsome> probably different key
06:08 < nshsome> <script src="http://cdn.gigya.com/JS/socialize.js?apikey=3_kDwxYHSRrEE_2Z2rMwD9nrDs9ORizluaucT6E2hy5ioAzNWHn371EUvJcDPQ-pn_">
06:12 < kanzure> good eye
06:12 < kanzure> sigh <!-- end: header-js.php -->
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07:53 < kanzure> yet another phantomjs/node bridge https://github.com/peerigon/phridge
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08:20 < ebowden> kanzure, what do you think of setting up a medical research project and going after the most horrible people possible to fund it, like the KKK and Ted Nugent.
08:21 < ebowden> kanzure, what do you think of setting up a medical research project and going after the most horrible people possible to fund it, like the KKK and Ted Nugent?
08:21 < FourFire> ebowden, to what end?
08:21 < kanzure> specifically what "medical research project"?
08:23 < ebowden> FourFire, partly because you'd be taking advantage of sources of funding that practically no-one else will, and partly because I find the idea amusing.
08:23 < kanzure> i don't think the KKK has any money
08:23 < FourFire> what kanzure said
08:23 < kanzure> obviously you should be submitting grant proposals to ISIS
08:23 < kanzure> since they just stole $500 million
08:23 < ebowden> They were just examples.
08:23 < ebowden> LOL
08:24 < kanzure> tell them you'll build them a nuke
08:24 < kanzure> then steal their plutonium
08:24 < kanzure> and build a time machine instead
08:24 < ebowden> LOL
08:24 < kanzure> this is a flawless plan
08:24 < ebowden> What about getting funding from the heritage foundation?
08:25 < kanzure> the who?
08:25 < AlexDutchGreen> what did ted nugent do now
08:26 < kanzure> .wik ted nugent
08:26 < yoleaux> "Theodore Anthony "Ted" Nugent (/tɛd ˈnuːdʒɨnt/; born December 13, 1948) is an American rock musician from Detroit, Michigan. Nugent initially gained fame as the lead guitarist of The Amboy Dukes before embarking on a solo career." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_nugent
08:26 < AlexDutchGreen> pay the kkk to go fight isis
08:26 < AlexDutchGreen> 2 birds one stone
08:26 < AlexDutchGreen> call it the crusades
08:26 < AlexDutchGreen> and get rid of a lot of religious nutters
08:27 < gradstudentbot> Seriously, who moved my samples?
08:28 < AlexDutchGreen> oh he's straitedge
08:28 < AlexDutchGreen> that is p weak
08:33 < ebowden> kanzure, ultra right wing, admitted child molester.
08:34 < kanzure> the heritage foundation is a child molester?
08:36 < kanzure> i don't understand
08:37 < kanzure> that sounds like you're describing ted nugent, but i didn't ask that question
08:37 < ebowden> Ah, right.
08:37 < ebowden> No, describing ted nugent, never mind.
08:48 < kanzure> if academic libraries are all too afraid to publish their actual subscription costs, then maybe just put up a site with estimated/fake subscription costs instead
08:48 < kanzure> and then people could use that as a proxy for the actual data
08:55 < kanzure> ehsm feed http://zitflash1.desy.de/liveedge/_definst_/LiveStreams/liveHSIOS/playlist.m3u8
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09:47 < kanzure> "The Life Extension Foundation has provided funding to a company called Nanofactory Corporation"
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10:07 < kanzure> .title http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/selfRepNATO.html
10:07 < yoleaux> Self replicating systems and low cost manufacturing
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10:49 < kanzure> i'm not sure my z axis has a small enough step size to not completely destroy a 100x solid objective
10:49 < kanzure> non-oil i mean
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11:13 < kanzure> ugh
11:13 < kanzure> .title http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11569-014-0197-7
11:13 < yoleaux> Transatlantic Divergences in Citizen Science Ethics—Comparative Analysis of the DIYbio Code of Ethics Drafts of 2011
11:13 < kanzure> what the fuck "It is also significant, and highly unusual, that DIYbio has maintained two separate codes of ethics years after their drafting."
11:13 < kanzure> that's not unusual at all. there's more than two people, so therefore why would it be unusual that two people would think different things.
11:14 < kanzure> "Finally, I recommend that the entire DIYbio organization unite under a single code of ethics, and that one of the existing drafts is superior to the other for this purpose."
11:14 < kanzure> people are awful
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11:39 < kanzure> "The International Laboratory for the Identification of Antibacterial Drugs(ILIAD) was started because of the lack of time and monetary investment by pharmaceutical companies in antibiotics. The goal is to search the globe for new and naturally occurring antibiotic compounds from plants, insects, bacteria, fungus and other organisms using simple tests"
11:39 < kanzure> oh is that what he's doing. hrm.
11:40 < mokstar> So, why isn't phage therapy more widespread?
11:40 < mokstar> does it only work on russians?
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11:42  * mokstar 's mind just flashed with an idea of a dystopian reality where DIYbio hackers breed phages to combat common infections, while megacorps charge outrageous amounts of money for the remaining few effective antibiotic treatments.
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11:42 < kanzure> that sounds more or less like how it works today
11:42 < kanzure> except not many people are doing antibody or phage work
11:43 < kanzure> why would "people doing things" be considered dystopian?
11:43 < mokstar> "It's not just about having fun with petri dishes anymore, it's about saving the lives of my neighbors."
11:43 < mokstar> because it'd be illegal
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11:44 < mokstar> people being caught between cruel microbiological realities and the cruel economics of the super-rich
11:48 < mokstar> where a mother's womb is so corrupted by pervasive environmental toxins that in order to procreate, she must rent an artificial one
11:49 < kanzure> unlikely. they would just use surrogates.
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11:49 < mokstar> *pervasive*
11:50 < mokstar> the Philippines did a brisk trade in surrogates, until the newfound wealth brought in the tide of xenoestrogens
11:50 < kanzure> but not pervasive enough because your 'artificial wombs' are magically protected. ugh.
11:50 < kanzure> (your scenario is inconsistent and annoying)
11:50 < mokstar> well sorr-ee
11:50 < kanzure> when planning the biological apocalypse, please be thoroughly consistent
11:51 < mokstar> artificial wombs would protected, because they wouldn't be running around outside, breathing the air, touching things, and consuming food
11:51 < mokstar> that's a whole other book
11:52 < mokstar> one about japanese robot dolls, who have artificial wombs installed
11:52 < kanzure> except that isolated environments already exist and have been tested
11:52 < kanzure> so no you don't need to be "running around outside"
11:53 < mokstar> the rich people who can afford to live within the arcologies don't feel like being surrogates for poor people
11:53 < mokstar> they use the artificial wombs too, but only out of convenience rather than necessity
11:53 < kanzure> yes, because rich people are fucking stupid and don't understand the need for large populations
11:54 < mokstar> slo-mo-trainwreck
11:54 < mokstar> not everything has to work out in the end
11:54 < kanzure> imho rich vs poor stories like that are very boring, because you're constrained to biology topics, whereas rich vs poor could have lots of other unrelated stories
11:54 < kanzure> so biological apocalypse seems like a boring scenario to explore that topic in
11:54 < mokstar> maybe it's because I saw Elysium recently
11:55 < mokstar> it'd be an exploration of the health-for-money situation we have in the US right now
11:55 < mokstar> "Oh, you can live, but you'll be indebted for the next thirty years."
11:55 < kanzure> ugh, and you think all the other healthcare in the world is costless?
11:56 < mokstar> no, but I'm not as familiar with those situations because I don't live there
11:56 < kanzure> in many cases it's the same products from the same production lines, which, surprise! accept money for their goods
11:56 < kanzure> (this does not seem extremely problematic to me)
11:57 < kanzure> if you want to ban free trade entirely, that's an interesting viewpoint, but you should state it explicitly
11:57 < mokstar> I personally think that accepting mortality is the cheaper and more efficient option long-term
11:57 < mokstar> but, as a living being, it would be very difficult for me to say, "Oh, my premature infant son will require more resources than he's worth, just let him die"
11:58 < kanzure> you calculate numeric values to humans?
11:59 < kanzure> also, that's a slippery slope that leads to banning abortions and eating
11:59 < mokstar> if those same resources would be spent on expensive medical treatment for my other children...
11:59 < mokstar> I think you're making the mistake of assuming that I'm pointing at some sort of "right" answer
12:00 < kanzure> my mistake is thinking that you're thinking at all
12:00 < mokstar> you're no fun to talk to
12:00 < kanzure> i think i've brought up many good points that you're totally ignoring
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12:00 < kanzure> "blah blah blah, healthcare costs money and this is bad" "well actually, the common argument is that healthcare should not be paid by the patients, not that free trade is evil"
12:01 < kanzure> afaik there's nobody really arguing that trading money for medical goods is inherently bad
12:01 < kanzure> and it sounds like you're just misinterpreting that common argument for your own weird one that you don't seem to be willing to support either
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13:08 < justanotheruser> gradstudentbot: test
13:08 < gradstudentbot> The freezer was too cold and fucked up my sample DNA.
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18:06 < kanzure> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2W-445nm-450nm-blue-Laser-module-with-Focusing-light-matches-pop-balloon-/331153556175?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d1a4a42cf
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20:28 < kanzure> "When I am designing a PCB that uses a part that a) is either hard to source b) will be EOL or c) has a capability spectrum I design a pad that is the union of two pad outlines. It isn't always doable, but it makes putting in alternative packages into the same PCB a whole lot easier. One cannot do that for that the entire design, but simple stuff like supporting a 1206 and a 2512 at the same time, or a 14 and 18 pin version of a part."
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20:36 < kanzure> raml's example seems sorta silly, http://raml.org/ they list "artist" only once, under /songs/{songId} but not specifically on a song model
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23:07 < nmz787> kanzure: most photoresist needs like 20mW/sq cm
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