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00:45 < nmz787> kanzure: no sealants, all/mostly plastic tubes with compression fittings
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00:57 < nmz787> kanzure: there are 4 of these on the 'memory cart', I guess we need a C driver to get the data from this... since I have a few arduinos http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/AM27128ADC.pdf
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01:03 < nmz787> kanzure: likely their outputs are connected together, with each having it's own CE (Chip Enable) line, with a common OE (Output Enable) line for all (that's what the datasheet recommends, though their might be separate OE too)
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01:14 < nmz787> kanzure: it looks like it's just: present address on A0:A13, pull CE low, pull OE low, observe D0:D7 (with waits in between each operation)
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02:39 < archels> hehe, that takes me back to my Z80 days
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06:14 < chris_99> http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/01/ultrasonic-array-moves-objects-in-3d/?ncid=rss_truncated
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06:30 < kanzure> "I wonder which of the 170+ valid  SMILES for caffeine (below - which came from Ian Watson at Eli Lilly to the CINF list back on 9/15/2010) one should send when one submit a paper to this journal.  Perhaps an author should send all 172, or perhaps every tenth  one, or every other one?  Why would the journal not want to have the one InChI that all 170+ convert to?  This seems strange to me (which  I am sure is based on my prejudice).  After ...
06:30 < kanzure> ... all, most people know that SMILES can be implemented and extended differently by each SMILES reader/writer."
06:40 < dbolser> is conversion deterministic?
06:41 < kanzure> .g smiles vs inchi
06:41 < yoleaux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_molecular-input_line-entry_system
06:41 < kanzure> .g inchi molecules
06:41 < yoleaux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Chemical_Identifier
06:44 < gradstudentbot> Who used the last of the buffer?
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07:32 < chris_99> are 2nd hand sequencers very expensive?
07:33 < chris_99> looks like it heh
08:01 < kanzure> chris_99: you could make one.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/Microfabricated%20bioprocessor%20for%20integrated%20nanoliter-scale%20Sanger%20DNA%20sequencing.pdf
08:01 < kanzure> (there's probably a cheaper way)
08:01 < chris_99> cheers
08:02 < chris_99> that looks a very nice paper
08:10 < kanzure> what's the common anti-patent response to "it probably at least help innovation from small inventors so that they don't get copied right away by large corporations?"
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08:16 < chris_99> hmmm not sure
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08:30 < joepie91_> kanzure: how many legitimate small inventors have you seen successfully claim suit against a large corporation and win?
08:31 < eudoxia> i imagine it's sort of like people who think GPL'ing their software means it won't be used in proprietary software
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08:31 < kanzure> joepie91_: "the large corp will end up licensing their patents for a small fee or percent, which costs less than the litigation, because the small company has a patent"
08:32 < joepie91_> that doesn't answer my question, though :P
08:32 < kanzure> this is true
08:32 < joepie91_> I have seen a number of cases where a small organization or individual held a patent prior to a large corp getting an almost identical patent
08:33 < joepie91_> I have seen 0 cases where the small party won
08:33 < joepie91_> or even attempted to sue
08:33 < joepie91_> because you're up against an army of lawyers
08:33 < joepie91_> which is basically the reason the whole "patents help the small guy" thing doesn't work in the real world
08:33 < joepie91_> in the end the battle is still won by who has the most money
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08:42 < nmz787_a> Kanzure did you see my responses last night?
08:45 < kanzure> yep
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08:51 < nmz787_a> Hopefully the camera flash didn't erase them....
08:51 < nmz787_a> They're UVPROM
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09:29 < eudoxia> brlcad is really space greedy. 50 GB should be enough ughhhh.
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09:36 < kanzure> huh? why is it taking more than 50 GB?
09:36 < eudoxia> *shrug*
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09:56 < nmz787_i1> autostitch doesn't support rectilinear projections for it's 'demo
09:56 < nmz787_i1> '' version
09:57 < nmz787_i1> hugin doesn't have SIFT photostiching
09:57 < nmz787_i1> i think
09:57 < chris_99> hugin is awesome though
09:57 < chris_99> works really well for me
09:57 < gradstudentbot> I don't know whether I am Turing dreaming that I am a machine, or a machine dreaming that I am Turing!
09:57 < chris_99> lol
09:58 < chris_99> isn't SIFT proprietry
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10:53 < dpk> paperbot: http://www.ncte.org.ezproxy.york.ac.uk/library/NCTEFiles/Resources/Journals/EJ/1976/0659-dec1976/EJ0659Forum.pdf
10:53 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go)
10:53 < dpk> paperbot: http://www.ncte.org/library/NCTEFiles/Resources/Journals/EJ/1976/0659-dec1976/EJ0659Forum.pdf
10:54 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f5bf56b9caae40a070723c1d0ae9c3ea.pdf
10:54 < dpk> wow, awesome
10:56  * dpk expected that to fail because obscure journal
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11:14 < dpk> paperbot: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/doc/157446444.html
11:14 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9881e2f721563096a276e2e506a49c65.txt
11:14 < dpk> thought not
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11:43 < kanzure> paperbot: http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/508
11:43 < kanzure> .title
11:44 < yoleaux> Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/508
11:44 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Reversing%20Stealthy%20Dopant-Level%20Circuits.pdf
11:44 < kanzure> "Reversing Stealthy Dopant-Level Circuits"
11:44 < kanzure> "A successful detection of the stealthy dopant-level circuit (trojan), proposed by Becker et al. at CHES 2013, is reported. Contrary to an assumption made by Becker et al., dopant types in active region are visible with either scanning electron microscopy (SEM) or focused ion beam (FIB) imaging. The successful measurement is explained by an LSI failure analysis technique called the passive voltage contrast. The experiments are conducted by ...
11:44 < kanzure> ... measuring a dedicated chip. The chip uses the diffusion programmable device: an anti-reverse-engineering technique by the same principle as the stealthy dopant-level trojan. The chip is delayered down to the contact layer, and images are taken with (1) an optical microscope, (2) SEM, and (3) FIB. As a result, the four possible dopant-well combinations, namely (i) p+/n-well, (ii) p+/p-well, (iii) n+/n-well and (iv) n+/p-well are ...
11:44 < kanzure> ... distinguishable in the SEM images. Partial but sufficient detection is also achieved with FIB. Although the stealthy dopant-level circuits are visible, however, they potentially make a detection harder. That is because the contact layer should be measured. We show that imaging the contact layer is at most 16-times expensive than that of a metal layer in terms of the number of images."
11:45 < drazak_> kanzure: do you know azonberg
11:45 < drazak_> he does decapping and stuff in his home lab
11:45 < kanzure> actually he doesn't, it was his roommate
11:46 < kanzure> who, apparently, i met in 2007
11:46 < drazak_> ? I thought he did
11:47 < kanzure> i'm sure azonenberg has done it in class
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12:42 < kanzure> opennurbs is 192691 lines :/
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13:06 < kanzure> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja401184g
13:06 < kanzure> .title
13:06 < yoleaux> Stochastic Voyages into Uncharted Chemical Space Produce a Representative Library of All Possible Drug-Like Compounds
13:06 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1021%2Fja401184g
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13:08 < chris_99> sounds interesting
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16:24 < kanzure> eudoxia: hi
16:25 < eudoxia> hello kanzure
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16:41 < nmz787> paperbot: http://search.proquest.com/docview/1460218253
16:43 < nmz787> more like paperbutt
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16:43 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/A_COMPARATIVE_STUDY_OF_THE_USE_OF_A_RAPID_THERMAL_CYCLER_PHILISA_VERSUS_THE_GENEAMP_PCR_SYSTEM_9700_ON_FORENSICALLY_RELEVANT_SAMPLES.pdf
16:44 < eudoxia> "paperbutt"
16:44 < eudoxia> how did nobody come up with that before
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16:54 < kanzure> "forensically relevant samples"
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17:34 < chris_99> Out of interest do you guys think it'd even be possible to create an AI, that appears humanlike, but is guaranted to be friendly (i can't see how it would - just like you can't with certainty detect all malware)
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17:34 < kanzure> not really, no
17:35 < kanzure> and even if you do, that doesn't guarantee you from non-friendly ai already being better than that
17:38 < chris_99> sorry did quite get that, you mean non-friendly AI could perform better?
17:38 < kanzure> no,
17:38 < kanzure> so, the reason why people want friendly ai to happen first is so that it zooms faster than non-friendly ai that wouldn't exist yet
17:39 < kanzure> because if you get friendly ai first, you have a reduced risk of being completely fucked
17:39 < kanzure> but, just because you have locally built a friendly ai doesn't mean there's not already another non-friendly ai already zooming faster on whatever explosive curve thing
17:40 < chris_99> oh gotcha
17:45 < kanzure> also, it's probably best to assume all ai is unfriendly, even if it isn't
17:45 < kanzure> including non-artificial ai, like humans
17:45 < kanzure> which are not provably friendly
17:46 < chris_99> mmm
17:46 < chris_99> do you think AI is most likely to come about by modelling the brain, or some kind of higher level 'abstraction' using rules or whatnot
17:47 < kanzure> i think the brain is alreayd doing interesting things?
17:47 < chris_99> mm exactly
17:48 < kanzure> has an ok head start
17:48 < chris_99> it seems like the friendly ai peeps maybe thinking of some kind of rule based thing, but i've no idea?
17:48 < kanzure> get it
17:48 < kanzure> head start
17:49 < chris_99> haha
17:51 < chris_99> yeah it seems they want to use formal specifications to make their AI friendly, i can't see how that can work
17:52 < kanzure> well it's baked into the definition of friendly
17:55 < chris_99> i just can't see how you could ensure a complex web of neurons would be only friendly, regardless of how you train it, it's still to some extent a black box in how it'll operate in the future
17:56 < kanzure> if i was a better person, i would tell you to look for the appropriate article on lesswrong.com
17:56 < kanzure> thankfully, i'm an asshole and i don't care
17:56 < chris_99> heh
17:59 < chris_99> where you looking to make an electronic micromanipulator btw? i was just wondering whether they use ball screws + steppers or if it's a different principle entirely
18:00 < kanzure> lead screw
18:00 < chris_99> hmm ball screw is apparently more accurate
18:00 < kanzure> i've seen lead screw microactuation stuff, don't remember seeing a ball screw one
18:01 < chris_99> or at least i was told that for cnc stuff
18:03 < chris_99> hmm http://blog.helixlinear.com/bid/224687/Lead-Screws-vs-Ball-Screws-It-s-All-about-the-Application
18:14 < paperbot> RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/_weakrefset.py", line 72, in __contains__)
18:14  * kanzure scratches his head
18:14 < kanzure> .tell eudoxia < paperbot> RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/_weakrefset.py", line 72, in __contains__)
18:14 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to eudoxia.
18:24 < nmz787_i> that seems like an incomplete trace
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19:04 < kanzure> well, yes..
19:05 < gradstudentbot> Who took my stethoscope?
19:06 < kanzure> the stethoscope bandit did it
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