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I can come on IRC. Or can you point me to a file in the project folder which contains this information ? Thanks." 09:38 < kanzure> yeah.. that's not something i actually know. 09:40 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-129-68.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 < archels_> SWIG bindings are not a very interesting thing to talk about 09:53 < kanzure> nope 09:54 < kanzure> morrison asked him to try to pass some objects around from python-brlcad (ctypes) to opennurbs (swig) to see if the data types can be forced to cooperate 09:57 < kanzure> it is very inconvenient that opennurbs is in c++ 10:00 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:07 -!- kaafir [~Gabriel@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10 -!- kaafir [~Gabriel@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:56 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:12 < kanzure> .title http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28369829 11:12 < yoleaux> Sulphur surplus: Up to our necks in a diabolical element 11:13 < kanzure> http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/iOS_Backdoors_Attack_Points_Surveillance_Mechanisms.pdf 11:14 < kanzure> https://pdf.yt/d/1dKWAxs03AvnYqkt 11:15 < kanzure> .title 11:15 < yoleaux> View 2014_-__-_Identifyingbackdoorsattackpointsandsurveillance.pdf 11:24 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:25 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:46 < kanzure> why is continue not allowed in a finally block? 11:50 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 11:53 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:55 < streety> redundant? 11:56 < kanzure> is it? the finally block could be inside a while or for loop 12:33 < streety> I suppose not 12:33 < streety> in what situation are you wanting to use it? 12:51 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 < kanzure> i was using it inside a try/except/finally inside a foreach 12:57 -!- moktsar [~Mookaborb@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 -!- mokstar [~Mookaborb@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:08 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@50.242.87.91] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 13:25 -!- justanot1eruser is now known as justanotheruser 13:34 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@50.242.87.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:22 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@2a02:270:2015:b00b:d18:73fa:d34a:cdd1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-184-72-145-29.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-83-147-77.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:46 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15 < kanzure> "It was also found that bystanders more commonly administer CPR when in public than when at the patient's home, although health care professionals are responsible for more than half of out-of-hospital resuscitation attempts.[64] People with no connection to the victim are more likely to perform CPR than are a member of their family.[69]" 15:15 < kanzure> well that's stupid 15:16 < dingo> CPR can be pretty messy, esp. with old people 15:16 < dingo> you can expect to break some ribts 15:16 < dingo> ribs, not something family members are prepared to do 15:17 < dingo> i guess its emotions, they're too busy freaking out 15:17 < kanzure> "no point in trying if nobody is watching me" 15:17 < kanzure> well, the first one is that healthcare peeps make up 50% of non-public attempts 15:17 < kanzure> "it only works if people are watching" 15:20 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 < kanzure> i wonder if cargo ships are inspected for radio throwies on their hulls 15:31 < streety> Lacking a lot of info there - does out-of-hospital include the back of an ambulance? Are strangers more likely to perform CPR when a family member is present? Is it just that people are alone when they need CPR and a stranger is the first on the scene? 15:39 < dingo> and how many of those strangers are trying to impress their girlfriend hehe 15:42 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@108-146-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 < kanzure> (also, i wonder if there are maritime laws about not secretly tracking ships by attaching radios to them) 15:49 < cuba> its called AIS kanzure 15:49 < kanzure> .g AIS 15:49 < yoleaux> https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ 15:50 < cuba> its the equivalent of ads-b which is the system for aircrafts 15:54 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:55 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:33 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@108-146-212.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29 < Burn_> there are some kind of arrangements that mandate publicly tracking ships by attaching radios to them 18:29 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@homie-vserver314.dreamhost.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:34 < Burn_> kanzure: I was thinking about CPR the other day. Contrary to popular belief, statistics say CPR is rarely effective, and supposedly in order to have a chance of being effective requires enough force to break a person's ribs. I now have a rational disincentive from involving myself in saving the life of others - the significant probability that I might be blamed for their death. 18:34 < Burn_> "If an average adult keels over in the street, is found unresponsive and pulseless by a bystander, and is administered CPR while a 911 call is made, the odds that such a person will emerge from the eventualities of the resuscitation effort healthy and with a normally functioning brain are about 2 percent." 18:34 < Burn_> - http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2013/04/03/is-cpr-for-the-victim-or-the-bystanders/ 18:37 < kanzure> ribs are surprisingly easy to break. especially dead ribs. 18:37 < cluckj> lol 18:41 < streety> Burn_: How often are people blamed for a death because they *did* perform CPR? 18:41 < Burn_> More than 2% of the time. 18:41 < streety> any chance you have a reference for that? 18:42 < Burn_> No chance. 18:43 < streety> I'm going to argue it's worth the chance then 18:43 < Burn_> What are the odds that I merely "missed the pulse", and they're okay, before I start shoving my fists into their chest cavity though? 18:44 < streety> why are you even wasting time checking for a pulse? 18:44 < Burn_> Because if they have a pulse it's not appropriate to try and pump their heart into a new rhythm 18:45 < Burn_> chest compressions can cause actual harm. Ribs are there for a reason. 18:45 < kanzure> really the only rib thing i think you should be concerned about is a rib puncturing something like a lung or the heart 18:46 < Burn_> From what I gather, you've never seen someone on television/movies exert enough pressure to perform effective CPR, and their success rates are 75%. 18:46 < Burn_> *I've 18:47 < streety> skip the pulse check, go straight to the CPR, and to hell with the broken ribs 18:47 < Burn_> Funny thing, btw - 18:47 < Burn_> a chest compression can stop a heart 18:48 < streety> http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/CPRAndECC/HandsOnlyCPR/Hands-Only-CPR_UCM_440559_SubHomePage.jsp <- Relevant link 18:48 < streety> that's a stupidly long link for such a big campaign 18:48 < Burn_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis 19:00 < kanzure> .title http://item.liveleak.com/2/view?i=8fd_1405179330 19:00 < yoleaux> Rewinding a Large Motor 19:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-129-68.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:58 < kanzure> sanity check my hand-crafted bitcoin transaction: http://hastebin.com/urudabowis 20:19 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-129-68.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-129-68.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:26 -!- night is now known as night|pub 20:48 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:02 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:04 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:22 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:33 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:47 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:50 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:52 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d50-92-48-28.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:58 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:59 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@24.92.63.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:05 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@24.92.63.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:10 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:18 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:19 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:19 -!- ||0_-_0|| [uid34064@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-naveujaexgqbamfq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:19 -!- ||0_-_0|| is now known as Lemminkainen 22:20 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://informahealthcare.com/doi/pdf/10.3111/13696998.2013.818545 22:21 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) 22:29 < kanzure> http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000002036/ch02.html 22:29 < kanzure> http://www.serendibscoop.com/sets/diybio-open-spaces/ 22:31 < kanzure> "What the Central Dogma allows is the sale of functional proteins that scientists can never make more of. By physical law, they’re required to come back for more, guaranteeing a steady stream of profits whenever someone wants to test a new idea. For good measure, a material transfer agreement is slapped onto these purchases, making sure that the scientist can never enter into commercial competition, even if she should ever get a hold of the ... 22:31 < kanzure> ... DNA. Meanwhile the government keeps printing money and funnels it to the scientists by various routes to ensure they can afford the ongoing extortion. It’s an MBA’s paradise." 22:31 < kanzure> i'm not sure that's the "core" reason. it is certainly a contributing factor, though. 22:34 < kanzure> oh this is schloendorn. i am surprised that i didn't recognize his writing. 22:35 < kanzure> here are some of cathal's synbiowhateverlater companies http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000002036/ch10.html#_ryan_pandya_of_muufri 22:59 < nmz787> kanzure: does ctypes only work with C not C++? 23:00 < kanzure> c++ has name mangling 23:00 < kanzure> and it is compiler-specific 23:01 < kanzure> so you wouldn't necessarily know which functions to call once you load the library in with ctypes 23:02 < nmz787> there's no function lookup or something> 23:02 < nmz787> ? 23:02 < nmz787> or it's too dynamic to be easy 23:02 < nmz787> ? 23:03 < kanzure> you shouldn't have to add support for every conceivable compiler that people are using 23:09 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12 < nmz787> how does it have to do with the compiler? 23:13 < kanzure> the compiler builds the shared library 23:13 < kanzure> it puts the symbols into the shared library 23:13 < kanzure> and it applies name mangling to the symbol names 23:14 < nmz787> right 23:14 < nmz787> but doesn't the binary have to conform to the system/architecture? 23:15 < kanzure> do you have a specific idea here 23:15 < nmz787> looking now 23:15 < nmz787> swig just seems tedious 23:15 < nmz787> wonder why that is 23:16 < kanzure> it is very tedious and it sucks 23:16 < nmz787> ah 23:16 < nmz787> i've used Boost before I think to compile a module for Python, I think 23:16 < kanzure> iirc even the swig authors hate swig 23:17 < nmz787> I can't remember if I was interfacing C or C++ though 23:17 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18 < kanzure> yep you can wrap c++ stuff with boost for python consumption 23:19 < kanzure> it is also tedious 23:24 < kanzure> i remember there being a bunch of problems with swig wrapping brlcad because of their extensive use of preprocessor macros to do >10% of their work 23:25 < kanzure> otherwise, swig wrapping the whole thing would probably be a good choice, even as much as swig is problematic, rather than using ctypesgen to generate ctypes bindings 23:43 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:50 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:52 -!- cpopell3 is now known as cpopellzzzz 23:55 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@homie-vserver314.dreamhost.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:58 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sun Jul 20 00:00:09 2014