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01:29 < poppingtonic> nmz787: got the paper. thank you :)
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06:56 < kanzure> terraform is neat http://www.hashicorp.com/blog/terraform.html
06:56 < kanzure> i'm probably biased because i got consul/serf working yesterday
07:00 < kanzure> https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform
07:05 < kanzure> not sure if i should be using this https://github.com/hashicorp/envconsul instead of sending http requests to the local consul agent from inside my application
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07:06 < kanzure> requires a restart, but i don't think all config changes should always cause a restart(?)
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09:39 < nmz787_i> kanzure: heard of this? http://www.vtk.org/VTK/project/about.html
09:40 < nmz787_i> seems this relies on that http://code.enthought.com/projects/mayavi/
09:42 < kanzure> yes i've heard of vtk
09:42 < kanzure> mayavi is deprecated, i think everyone just uses mayavi2
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10:01 < archels> VTK is great
10:23 < nmz787_i> kanzure: that link was to mayavi2
10:23 < nmz787_i> i think they just don't consistenly call it mayavi2
10:23 < kanzure> oh, well their urls suck then
10:24 < nmz787_i> archels: cheers, looking for something for some dataviz at work
10:24 < nmz787_i> was thinking matplotlib might be sufficient
10:24 < nmz787_i> but there is potential for 3D to work if its good 3D
10:24 < nmz787_i> seems that mayavi uses opengl
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12:04 < kanzure> openworm is moving to irc.snoonet.org #OpenWorm (i don't know why they use caps)
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12:11 < chris_99> cool
12:14 < ParahSailin> no reddit
12:15 < kanzure> openworm is not reddit
12:15 < kanzure> unless.. is it?
12:25 < ParahSailin> snoonet
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13:34 < kanzure> "Last year, Rodger Kessler and Russ Glasgow published a paper arguing for a ten-year moratorium on randomized controlled trials on the grounds that it was time to think smarter about the kind of research we need and the kind of study designs that are appropriate for different kinds of question.[4]"
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14:44 < nmz787_i> https://code.google.com/p/altdrag/
14:44 < nmz787_i> .title
14:44 < yoleaux> Easily drag windows when pressing the alt key
14:44 < nmz787_i> (for Windows)
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16:23 < catern> windows doesn't already have that feature? how sad
16:24 < dingo> oh i miss that
16:24 < dingo> mac doesn't do that either
16:24 < dingo> i really miss 'cwm', my favorite environment for years after switching from 'twm'
16:24 < dingo> i love that oldschool shit
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16:49 < kanzure> https://github.com/openworm/PyOpenWorm/tree/alpha0.5
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19:59 < nmz787> kanzure: where do i find more active chat/message boards or forums than diybio for the kind of stuff i post?
20:00 < kanzure> biologists hate the internet
20:01 < kanzure> ##electronics is sometimes not awful, but is often awful
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20:02 < nmz787> yeah i stopped logging onto there and # or ## chemistry
20:03 < nmz787> they went pretty off topic often
20:03 < kanzure> i forget why biologists hate interneting, besides the elitism
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20:18 < bbrittain> biologists are just bad at the internet
20:20 < bbrittain> they don't hate it per-say, they just don't know how to use it effectively
20:20 < bbrittain> I wish their was a biologist version of irc
20:20 < kanzure> what would be the biologist version?
20:20 < kanzure> a professor yelling at you every 30 minutes?
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20:21 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: where have you been?
20:21 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I'm just looking for a journal that will take that paper.
20:21 < yashgaroth> someone asking why their western blot isn't working every five minutes
20:21 < bbrittain> well, you need data propagation, no? so every student must then become a professor and yell at other people. the cycle
20:22 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: why isn't the western blot blotting?
20:22 < gradstudentbot> There's no way to know for sure.
20:23 < bbrittain> actually, I mean it's a chicken and egg problem, right? no biologists hang out on irc.biology.net (or whatever), because no biology people hang out their. we need fake biologists to astroturf
20:23 < bbrittain> there*
20:24 < kanzure> no it's not chicken/egg
20:24 < bbrittain> no?
20:25 < kanzure> that's not the root reason
20:25 < kanzure> i mean, if you've ever watched a biologist person use the interwebs, there are other things going on
20:25 < bbrittain> besides ineptness?
20:25 < kanzure> first, all the toxins have seriously warped their brain (perhaps for the better, who knows)
20:25 < kanzure> so they think different
20:25 < kanzure> they are not your comp sci grad student writing up rust on friday night
20:25 < bbrittain> I've worked in bio labs before, and am about to again. biologists aren't that bad
20:25 < kanzure> "i think i'll learn me a haskell for great good" nope
20:26 < bbrittain> I mean, there is mediocrity everywhere. but... not all of them
20:26 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it's definitely impractical and fairly non-elegant at the same time.
20:26 < kanzure> i don't mean mediocrity necessarily
20:26 < kanzure> it's more like... the same dynamics as to why they hide their protocol books from everyone,
20:26 < kanzure> -,
20:27 < bbrittain> huh, I've never experience that. maybe uni labs are like that?
20:27 < kanzure> what sort of non-uni lab were you in?
20:28 < bbrittain> I worked at the National Cancer Institute for about 1.5 years
20:28 < bbrittain> It's part of NIH
20:29 < bbrittain> I was ignorant. I was in high school. would not repeat.
20:29 < kanzure> :)
20:29 < kanzure> go on
20:29 < kanzure> actually i have no idea how different nih labs are
20:30 < bbrittain> well, the lack of well... "drive" really bothered me.
20:30 < bbrittain> and the papers. fuck papers.
20:30  * bbrittain heads off to industry
20:30 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: do you want to write a paper about that?
20:30 < gradstudentbot> I am still writing a draft.
20:30 < bbrittain> nothing wrong about them, but when you are delaying your work for optimum nature submission, there is a problem.
20:31 < bbrittain> as well as the fact that they treated bioinformatics people like servants
20:31 < gradstudentbot> I'm only doing this to get tenure.
20:31 < bbrittain> EXACTLY gradstudentbot
20:31 < gradstudentbot> You know, I hear you make more money being a garbage man.
20:32 < gradstudentbot> Let's pour a bunch of chemlights into a spinner flask and claim it's luminescent e.coli.
20:32 < gradstudentbot> Does anyone have some seaborgium for my collection?
20:32 < bbrittain> nah, it turned me off bio for a few years. now I'm going back
20:32 < bbrittain> we'll see how that goes
20:32 < kanzure> the servitude aspect is really wacky
20:32 < kanzure> it's because the whole academic institution is weirdly structured
20:32 < kanzure> academic publishing is the wrong model
20:32 < kanzure> interlibrary loan is a scam
20:33 < kanzure> never-ending stream of clueless eager students willing to work for peanuts
20:33 < bbrittain> yea, I'm aware.
20:33 < kanzure> cut-throat grant environment
20:33 < kanzure> oh, i am not claiming you are not aware
20:33 < bbrittain> but most people aren't :P
20:33 < kanzure> maybe they just need a darker, more awful version of phdcomics
20:34 < bbrittain> nah, I'm working in industry in a little bit, but the initial offer was shit. They are used to those grad students who will work for peanuts. I went to them and was like... so this is how much I made in Silicon Valley, give me more moneyz.
20:35 < bbrittain> yes. they do
20:35 < bbrittain> but phdcomics is already dark!
20:36 < yashgaroth> wait did you expect to get an SV salary in bio
20:36 < bbrittain> no, obviously not
20:36 < bbrittain> i've taken a pay cut
20:36 < bbrittain> but, I wasn't aware of how large of a gap it was
20:36  * bbrittain is super entitled 
20:37 < yashgaroth> heh
20:37 < kanzure> $30k/year vs 200k/year you do the math
20:37 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it's significant.
20:37 < kanzure> i missed this guy
20:38 < bbrittain> grad students make less than 30k correct?
20:38 < kanzure> probably
20:39 < yashgaroth> stipend's gonna be under 30
20:39  * bbrittain shudders
20:40 < yashgaroth> oh but after you graduate you start making bank in post-doc, I'm talking like 40k suckaz
20:40 < kanzure> that's almost enough to get a spot under a second bridge
20:41 < kanzure> wait.. i screwed that up. hrm.
20:41 < bbrittain> hah, I'm about to start living with some grad students. I'm gonna feel so wealthy.
20:41 < kanzure> "it's not about the money, it's about the passion"
20:41 < gradstudentbot> Oh yeah, I'll pay you once my stipend posts.
20:41 < kanzure> "but isn't that what they say to naive young startup employees to convince them to take zero equity?"
20:41 < bbrittain> hence why I hate silicon valley
20:41 < yashgaroth> don't worry, they'll never be home...well, if they hope to graduate this decade
20:41 < kanzure> "well, it also works on scientists"
20:41 < bbrittain> or one of the reasons
20:42 < kanzure> bbrittain: i've been wondering what would happen if scientists were paid like programmers in silicon valley
20:42 < kanzure> like, suppose that there was an actual market for science talent
20:42 < kanzure> (not related to degrees or other bullshit)
20:42 < bbrittain> well, I mean I think this is starting to happen
20:42 < kanzure> i'm curious what would happen from that structure
20:42 < kanzure> probably more virtual biotech companies
20:42  * bbrittain shudders
20:42 < bbrittain> I hate that idea
20:42 < kanzure> oh?
20:43 < kanzure> depends on what you think the idea is heh
20:43 < kanzure> let's start there
20:43 < bbrittain> I want every lab to have a low-cost openhardware dna-synthesizer and a sequencer.
20:43 < bbrittain> thats the dream
20:43 < bbrittain> not moving it to offsite facilities.
20:44 < kanzure> bbrittain: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf
20:44  * bbrittain is looking
20:45 < gradstudentbot> My experiment was working a second ago, but now it doesn't even work.
20:45 < bbrittain> I was about to be like "microfluidics"! then I scrolled down...
20:47 < bbrittain> I agree
20:49 < bbrittain> very small amount of hope: https://twitter.com/DNAPrototyper
20:49 < bbrittain> very
20:49 < kanzure> sadly they are fucking liars
20:49 < kanzure> they think CC-BY-NC is "open source"
20:49 < catern> sigh
20:50 < catern> i hate -NC
20:50 < bbrittain> 0_o
20:50 < kanzure> they even say so in the fucking tweets! those assholes "We plan to make kilobaser OPEN SOURCE for NON COMMERCIAL USE!"
20:50 < kanzure> it was also by email though
20:50 < catern> complete perversion of the meaning of "free software" and "open source"
20:50 < bbrittain> I was hoping that they meant they would have a "pro" version or one of those scams
20:50 < kanzure> i can't believe people are that stupid. i refuse to believe it.
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20:53 < bbrittain> huh, how well do those old synthesizers work?
20:53 < bbrittain> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLIPORE-MILLIGEN-CYCLONE-PLUS-DNA-SYNTHESIZER-/230609783184?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b16a0990
20:53 < bbrittain> could afford
20:53 < kanzure> i bought an ABI 391 the other day
20:53 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/abi391/
20:53 < kanzure> https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/94
20:54 < kanzure> haven't bought the chemicals yet..
20:54 < heath> nice
20:54 < kanzure> that millipore is missing some important electronics ;)
21:01 < bbrittain> I didn't look it over that closely :P
21:02 < bbrittain> how much are the chemicals gonna run you?
21:03 < kanzure> $2k at most? but some of them "expire" if you don't figure out storage fast enough
21:03 < bbrittain> ouch
21:03 < kanzure> ultimately, not sure, but i am pretty sure less than $5k
21:03 < kanzure> nah not ouch
21:03 < bbrittain> <- about to become a poor biologist
21:04 < kanzure> by choice, even
21:04 < bbrittain> seriously. what is wrong with me.
21:08 < kanzure> you could buy your own postdoc biology slave
21:08 < kanzure> that's what i did
21:08  * kanzure throws a snack at gradstudentbot
21:08 < gradstudentbot> That's beyond the scope of my research.
21:08 < bbrittain> lolz
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21:42 < nmz787> biologist version of IRC that confuses normal people even more 'bi-irc... the bi is short for BIO!'
21:44 < nmz787> virtualbox is crashing :(
21:44 < ParahSailin> biologist irc is an excel plugin
21:54 < nmz787> kinda neat http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/55959/495_ftp.pdf
21:54 < nmz787> heh
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22:37 < nmz787> kanzure: do you know of the going rate for a wet-etch chem tech? i.e. someone who handles HF
22:37 < nmz787> kanzure: I heard of someone who tolerates it and might sometimes look for small gigs
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23:00 < nmz787> http://phys.org/news197555841.html
23:00 < nmz787> .title
23:00 < yoleaux> Nano-sized light mill drives micro-sized disk (w/ Video)
23:02 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v5/n8/abs/nnano.2010.128.html
23:02 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnnano.2010.128
23:03 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Light-driven_nanoscale_plasmonic_motors_.pdf
23:03 < nmz787> http://microfluidics.utoronto.ca/dropbot/
23:03 < nmz787> OSHW
23:04 < kanzure> nmz787: i guess not, no
23:04 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/DropBot_An_open-source_digital_microfluidic_control_system_with_precise_control_of_electrostatic_driving_force_and_instantaneous_drop_velocity_measurement.pdf
23:05 < nmz787> it would be pretty nice to let someone else handle that if possible and needed
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