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03:34 < superkuh> paperbot: http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/apl/96/10/10.1063/1.3357430
03:34 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/An%20efficient%2C%20low%20profile%2C%20electrically%20small%2C%20three-dimensional%2C%20very%20high%20frequency%20magnetic%20EZ%20antenna.txt
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06:47 < kanzure> hmm
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07:03 < kanzure> i still think this whole page is embarrassing https://www.transcriptic.com/blog/2014/07/15/transcriptic-platform.html
07:04 < kanzure> clearly he has no copywriter
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07:31 < kyknos> paperbot, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022283675902132
07:31 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2a6f71702219b367087ce6a5974ff38.txt
07:31 < kyknos> :(
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09:31 < ParahSailin> kanzure: i know of a ga2x thats gonna go real cheap
09:31 < kanzure> how much does it cost to operate
09:31 < ParahSailin> haha yeah
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09:31 < ParahSailin> so, if you want to be a haxor and make your own flow cells, it could be cheap
09:31 < ParahSailin> otherwise, scrap
09:32 < kanzure> useful scrap?
09:32 < ParahSailin> you could do a teardown
09:32 < ParahSailin> i dunno
09:32 < ParahSailin> maybe not easily repurposed
09:33 < kanzure> would the teardown actually be useful
09:33 < kanzure> what's in there that isn't already known
09:34 < ParahSailin> flow cell recycling is probably the most useful thing you could do
09:34 < ParahSailin> they are just little glass plates that illumina does magic on
09:38 < ParahSailin> and thats your consumable cost
09:39 < ParahSailin> i imagine the microscope scanner is a decent thing also, if you just wanted to take it apart
09:40 < nmz787> i'll dp
09:40 < nmz787> o
09:40 < nmz787> i'll do it!
09:40 < nmz787> the teardown
09:41 < nmz787> da fuck, it's hotter in portland than vegas today
09:42 < nmz787> 109 there supposedly
09:42 < nmz787> not having AC might be backfiring when i grt home
09:42 < ParahSailin> it looks like theyll probably ask 10-20+ for it, looking at ebay
09:43 < kanzure> $20k?
09:43 < nmz787> hmm
09:43 < gradstudentbot> I'll be at the microscope.
09:43 < nmz787> a lot for a teardown, unless we could resell or get to use it
09:44 < nmz787> i wouldn't be opposed to driving it somewhere,e.g. the bay
09:44 < nmz787> wit mah truck
09:44 < ParahSailin> regenerating flow cells is a worthy project
09:44 < ParahSailin> if illumina can turn blank glass into flow cell, then so can you
09:45 < nmz787> what would consumable cost be with /without regen?
09:45 < ParahSailin> its like 5k
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09:45 < ParahSailin> compared to like 800 for nextseq flowcell
09:46 < nmz787> so $5k vs $5.8k?
09:47 < gradstudentbot> Where are the hot plates?
09:47 < ParahSailin> 5k vs 0.8k, yes
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09:48 < nmz787> so the flow cell itself is $4.2k then
09:49 < nmz787> pricey glass
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09:49 < ParahSailin> oh, no the flow cell is like 5k itself
09:49 < ParahSailin> the reagent vials are extra, but small cost compared to flow cell
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09:53 < nmz787> have y'all seen the nsa playset?
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09:54 < chris_99> what's that
09:54 < nmz787> saw some cool talks on diff projects that fall under the term
09:55 < nmz787> using vga/hdmi/dvi i2c for exfiltration via custom bios malware and a gsm dongle
09:55 < nmz787> and gsm cracking using rainbow tables and sdr
09:56 < nmz787> and usb to pcie/thunderbolt exfiltration
09:56 < chris_99> you can capture gsm apparently with an rtlsdr
09:56 < nmz787> (plx card/chips)
09:56 < nmz787> yep
09:56 < nmz787> even some cheap cingular cell phones
09:56 < chris_99> what do you mean by usb --> pcie
09:56 < nmz787> that you load custom firmware
09:57 < nmz787> the plx chip does it
09:57 < nmz787> it is a usb to pcie bridge
09:57 < nmz787> you can set up anf vendor/product id
09:57 < nmz787> any
09:57 < chris_99> you can convert usb to pcie?!
09:57 < nmz787> yes
09:57 < nmz787> then start dumping memory
09:57 < nmz787> via dma
09:58 < chris_99> but usb doesn't give dma access
09:58 < nmz787> pcie does
09:58 < chris_99> yeah but how would that work
09:58 < nmz787> the chip is a bridge
09:58 < chris_99> it can't be proper dma
09:58 < chris_99> then
09:58 < nmz787> itbdoes
09:58 < nmz787> it just sends the rigt packets to pcie bus
09:59 < nmz787> which were crafted and sent to the chip over usb
09:59 < nmz787> think a thunderbolt expabder
09:59 < chris_99> i can't see how that'd work tbh, do you have more info
09:59 < nmz787> expander
09:59 < chris_99> like slides
09:59 < nmz787> sure
09:59 < nmz787> nsa playset pcie usb joe fitz
09:59 < nmz787> google that
09:59 < chris_99> cheers
09:59 < nmz787> plx usb pcie
10:00 < nmz787> http://www.plxtech.com/products/expresslane/bridges
10:01 < nmz787> he had a box made to look like thunderbolt to vga, but was actually just cosmetic
10:01 < nmz787> to trick ppl into plugging in the cable
10:04 < chris_99> hmm i still haven't managed to grab the slides, it's a defcon talk?
10:06 < nmz787> ya
10:06 < nmz787> maybe not up yet
10:07 < chris_99> mmm it sounds very intriguing
10:07 < chris_99> i can only think the device driver windoze has for this pcie bridge thing, acts as a pass through
10:07 < chris_99> to memory
10:10 < gradstudentbot> Oh man, that's a great scrabble word. I got to write that down.
10:15 < nmz787> nope
10:16 < nmz787> pcie needs no drivers
10:16 < nmz787> afaik from the talk
10:16 < nmz787> at least as far as the bus is concerned
10:18 < chris_99> hmmm, so in certain cases you're saying USB can provide DMA
10:20 < nmz787> with a bridge, yes
10:20 < chris_99> intriguing
10:20 < nmz787> i can't remember the driver part of it
10:21 < nmz787> there was something about osx being vulberable by default but being able to disable it
10:21 < nmz787> vtx maybe
10:22 < chris_99> you don't mean vt-d
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10:27 < nmz787> can't remember
10:27 < nmz787> apparently there is some linux source that specifically mentions disabling some endpoints on hot-plug or something
10:27 < nmz787> for security reasons
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10:30 < nmz787> https://github.com/NSAPlayset/SLOTSCREAMER
10:32 < chris_99> sweeet
10:32 < chris_99> thanks
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10:39 < delinquentme> kanzure, you around?
10:39 < delinquentme> Needs opinions
10:40 < nmz787> abt wat?
10:40 < kanzure> speak
10:40 < delinquentme> I'm working w a dude on some cloud infrastructure for sci compute .  I don't think this is a differentiated market offering.
10:40 < kanzure> it is not
10:41 < kanzure> even ec2 offers free time for academic projects
10:41 < delinquentme> his current interest is "making super computation easy"
10:41 < kanzure> about $15k grants, approved in like a week or two
10:41 < delinquentme> Oh realllly?
10:41 < delinquentme> link?
10:41 < kanzure> http://aws.amazon.com/education/aws-in-education-research-grants/
10:42 < delinquentme> So i keep pushing that he / we need to differentiate more
10:42 < delinquentme> I REALLY like hooking up with hardware manufacturers to provide compute for their machines
10:42 < delinquentme> specifically machines OTHER than sequencers
10:43 < delinquentme> but really anything that requires massive spikes in processing could work ... but in talking to a few people in the space ... they're not really compute constrained
10:43 < kanzure> nope
10:43 < delinquentme> IE if they need it they've got it in house
10:43 < kanzure> yep
10:44 < delinquentme> and I keep telling him that a company like cloudera could TOTALLY do this work ... and both have pre-existing scale and tons of money
10:44 < delinquentme> he seems to think they'd turn down a contract to do scientific simulations
10:45 < delinquentme> ( bad sign )
10:45 < kanzure> sell docker containers to pharma companies
10:45 < delinquentme> preconfigured docer containers?
10:45 < delinquentme> docker *
10:45 < kanzure> i don't know
10:46 < kanzure> just go in yelling about openstack and repeatability or something
10:46 < delinquentme> hahahaha
10:46 < delinquentme> ,3
10:46 < delinquentme> kanz sometimes ihate you but sometimes you're the best
10:49 < kanzure> tell them it's fda approved
10:49 < delinquentme> business kinds would be impressed. engineers would try to stab me
10:50 < kanzure> well it's shank or be shanked
10:52 < delinquentme> I need a deploy hook / callback post instancing a # of servers ... any idea if salt supports this kanzy ?
10:52 < kanzure> sorry but i'm up to my horns trying to figure out what the fuck a salt pillar is
10:53 < nmz787> a stalctite
10:53 < nmz787> ?
10:53 < nmz787> or atalagmite?
10:53 < nmz787> stalagmite
10:53 < nmz787> ugh
10:53 < kanzure> http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/tutorials/pillar.html
10:53 < kanzure> http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/pillar/index.html
10:54 < delinquentme> kanzure, best use case is configuring all the users on a server along w dir permissions
10:54 < kanzure> but why can't i do that like normal
10:54 < delinquentme> you're currently using salt too?
10:54 < kanzure> i am pretending to use salt
10:55 < delinquentme> you mean writing it into a script or by hand?
10:55 < delinquentme> you can.  But the salt markup for it is hella simple
10:55 < kanzure> yes, like whenever my packages get installed
10:55 < delinquentme> like HTML is more complex than the salt pillar markup
10:55 < kanzure> for now i think i'm sticking with consul (or etcd)
10:56 < kanzure> already have consul working, i don't see a strong reason to switch to salt
10:56 < gradstudentbot> You know they keep the mice in better conditions than us.
10:56 < delinquentme> sometimes its good to be salty though
10:56 < kanzure> what are you, a pristine cracker
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10:58 < nmz787> chris_99 vt-d
10:58 < nmz787> not vtx
10:58 < chris_99> yeah i've heard of that one
10:59 < chris_99> well this sounds all v. interesting
10:59 < chris_99> wouldn't mind trying it out
10:59 < chris_99> i bought a pci-e fpga
10:59 < chris_99> card
10:59 < chris_99> to hack my memory
11:00 < gradstudentbot> Where did you put the revisions to the paper?
11:02 < nmz787> he was selling the cards for $100 with the eeprom flashed (though that is trivisl to do)
11:02 < nmz787> trivial
11:03 < chris_99> i noticed that company sells dev kits
11:03 < chris_99> are they essentially those
11:03 < nmz787> yeah
11:03 < nmz787> exactly
11:03 < nmz787> but something about neede
11:03 < nmz787> maybe needing to buy in bulk or be a biz
11:04 < chris_99> ah
11:04 < nmz787> not sure on that
11:04 < nmz787> maybe he just bought a lot in case he broke them
11:04 < nmz787> or anticipating selling
11:04 < chris_99> heh
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12:21 < kanzure> is this the original openbci project or is it a different one? http://openbci.com/index.php/downloads
12:22 < kanzure> https://github.com/caru/StenoPCB https://github.com/caru/Stenoboard http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:411189 http://utopen.com/stenoboard-kits/21-stenoboard-11-kit.html
12:22 < kanzure> stalk: Emanuele Caruso <emanuele.caruso@gmail.com>
12:24 < kanzure> "Second, I am curious if you could describe the difference between the traditional single-surface steno keyboard and your fancypants split steno keyboard. Would you say you type faster with it? More accurately? is it just more comfortable?"
12:24 < kanzure> "The main difference is that I'm able to type for 8 hours at a stretch with no breaks at >200 wpm without getting muscle pain or fatigue. But that's what you might call industrial use. If you find yourself getting RSI problems, by all means switch to the ergonomic keyboard. If you're feeling okay, you can probably keep the single plane keyboard for now. Though there's also the StenoBoard, which is only $300 for an easily assembled kit, if you ...
12:24 < kanzure> ... want a second split keyboard as a backup."
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13:46 < kanzure> https://github.com/progrium/registrator "A docker-consul bridge that automatically registers containers with published ports as consul services. As docker containers are started, published ports are inspected and the container gets registered as a service in consul across the cluster. As containers stop, the services are deregistered. If the default service descriptions are unsuitable, you can customize them with environment variables on the ...
13:46 < kanzure> ... container."
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14:01 < ParahSailin> kanzure: so they might be willing to get rid of that gaiix for 10k or less
14:01 < kanzure> ugh
14:01 < kanzure> pass
14:01 < ParahSailin> heh
14:06 < archels> https://ultracortex.com/opencart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=52
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14:06 < archels> "we'll just buy a 24-bit ADC and put it on our board somewhere. that shou;d give us 24 effective bits of resolution!"
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14:08 < chris_99> heh
14:08 < chris_99> nmz787, you seen this http://hackaday.io/project/956-ChipWhisperer%E2%84%A2%3A-Security-Research
14:09 < chris_99> looks v. cool
14:14 < kanzure> score: 2, insightful
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14:18 < poppingtonic> cool
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14:29 < kanzure> ParahSailin: hahaha
14:29 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8164860
14:29 < yoleaux> Glowing Plant Is One of Y Combinator’s First Biotech Startups
14:30 < kanzure> how disappointing
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14:34 < ParahSailin> what, you think pg is doing it for money at this point? its about cred and hype
14:37 < kanzure> there's no cred there
14:38 < kanzure> like, way to alienate your hackers
14:38 < ParahSailin> that was the biggest indiestarter in history
14:38 < kanzure> huh?
14:38 < kanzure> kickstarter projects have raised like $2M and higher
14:38 < ParahSailin> ok i just made that up
14:38 < kanzure> nice try
14:39 < bbrittain> T_T
14:39 < kanzure> "our cred is being able to lie extremely well"
14:39 < bbrittain> T_T
14:39 < bbrittain> why YC, WHY
14:39 < kanzure> because they call themselves "genome compiler"
14:39 < kanzure> "so it's like, really computing or something!"
14:40 < bbrittain> "built on adobe air" - back away slowly, maybe it didn't see you.
14:40 < kanzure> yeah no kidding
14:40 < kanzure> what a pile of shit
14:41 < kanzure> i should send in a yc application that's just me and someone's dog
14:41 < bbrittain> but... ginkgo is cool. :)
14:41 < kanzure> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/765/b7e.jpg
14:42 < kanzure> wrong! gingko is not cool. wtf?
14:42 < kanzure> it's like everyone has been living under a fucking rock
14:42 < bbrittain> kanzure: oh why do you think not?
14:42 < kanzure> they sort of had an anti-kanzure campaign for a while
14:42 < kanzure> so that wasn't cool
14:42 < bbrittain> elaborate?
14:42 < kanzure> it's just more of the igem snobbery
14:43  * kanzure checks logs
14:43 < kanzure> 17:38 <@kanzure> i think mac cowell made gingko's website
14:43 < kanzure> 17:38 <@kanzure> http://cis-action.com/ginkgo/
14:43 < kanzure> 18:14 < delinquentme> waiiiitt what about ginko?
14:43 < kanzure> 18:14 < delinquentme> i sent them an email
14:43 < kanzure> 18:14 < delinquentme> and they were awesomely dismissive
14:43 < kanzure> 18:14 < yashgaroth> circlejerking, more accurately
14:43 < kanzure> 18:14 <@kanzure> yeah ginkgo has a history of being made up of elitist people
14:44 < kanzure> 18:15 <@kanzure> to be fair, i think they all hate me because of my email spam from 2007-2008
14:44 < kanzure> 18:15 <@kanzure> they even made up up a thing.. "bishslapped"
14:44 < kanzure> 18:15 < yashgaroth> maybe once you get your phd from mit they'll open up
14:44 < kanzure> 19:25 < cluckj> ginkgo bioworks needs seed funding? wut
14:44 < kanzure> 19:30 < kanzure> my thoughts exactly
14:44 < kanzure> 19:33 < cluckj> haven't they engineered a bacteria to print money already?
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14:45 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20081007133549/http://cis-action.com/ginkgo/
14:45 < ParahSailin> a bacteria to mine bitcoin
14:45 < chris_99> heh
14:45 < kanzure> yes and here's my phd
14:45 < thundara> So...a company based around the same idea as openwetware?...
14:45 < kanzure> it's scribbled in crayon and signed by the king of slashdot
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14:46 < kanzure> openwetware.org was setup by the same people
14:46 < kanzure> so that doesn't really count
14:46 < kanzure> well, openwetware.org was more like drew endy i guess
14:46 < kanzure> so not the same /precise/ people. but down the hall.
14:46 < bbrittain> ginkgo doesn't need "seed funding" in the traditional sense, they are starting to expand now that they have core functioning products. the've never taken funding (that wasn't grants before)
14:46 < thundara> Does he still work on stuff?
14:47 < thundara> kanzure: ginkgo == stanford?
14:47 < bbrittain> ginkgo== MIT
14:47 < kanzure> i'm still strongly suspicious of this
14:47 < kanzure> i mean, they accepted the fucking glowing plant scam
14:47 < kanzure> so what does that say about also accepting ginkgo
14:47 < bbrittain> oh, YC. yea, thats stupid
14:48 < thundara> Isn't that just GFP + constituitive promoter?...
14:48 < bbrittain> venture capital should never be used as a way to validate a company... although it often is
14:48 < chris_99> no
14:48 < kanzure> bbrittain: that's not the problem here
14:48 < thundara> Sec, getting caught up on scrollback >_>
14:48 < kanzure> bbrittain: i mean, it might be a more pervasive problem, but no matter how much venture funding you raise, you still lied about your glowing poops
14:49 < bbrittain> well, you mean for the glowing plant... yea. it's ridiculous.
14:49 < gradstudentbot> We simply don't do enough titrations in my lab.
14:50 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: do you want to submit to ycombinator with me and http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/765/b7e.jpg ?
14:50 < gradstudentbot> I'm making a flamingo cell culture, but first I need to capture a flamingo, are you in?
14:50 < kanzure> what
14:50 < chris_99> haha
14:52 < bbrittain> kanzure: so wait, is the only reason you dislike ginkgo because they are "igem snobs"?
14:53 < kanzure> there was another reason but i forget to be honest
14:55 < kanzure> tom knight got angry because he was outed as a top poster
14:55 < thundara> What's bad about igem? (I don't know the program personally)
14:56 < kanzure> they are hostile to anything that isn't biobricks, iirc
14:56 < kanzure> also they used to be hostile to non-academic groups, but have recently allowed them to enter with 2x entrance fees or something
14:57 < bbrittain> kanzure: as a "top poster" to what?
14:57 < thundara> Non-BB not allowed for their projects?
14:57 < kanzure> bbrittain: https://groups.google.com/group/diybio
14:57 < bbrittain> oh
15:00 < kanzure> i wish i could find his hilarious "fairwell" email
15:00 < kanzure> where he raised the middle finger to everyone
15:01 < chris_99> what's top poster mean?
15:01 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/LdVG3WHOizI/63DQsmZ62acJ
15:02 < thundara> > My startup, DomainSquatters.com
15:03 < bbrittain> wait, where is his?
15:03 < kanzure> hmm
15:05 < kanzure> looking
15:05 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/diybio/IzQtsi22Lws/XcBix-l7QOsJ
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15:10 < bbrittain> uhh. that doesn't look so bad to me. DIYbio is full of junk
15:11 < kanzure> haha
15:11 < kanzure> yeah it's not bad rally
15:11 < kanzure> *really
15:12 < kanzure> just some hard feelings :)
15:12 < gradstudentbot> I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space.
15:12 < nmz787> chris_99 ya seen it
15:13 < chris_99> the RPi demo of it seems nifty
15:13 < nmz787> my gf's lab had one i think
15:13 < nmz787> has
15:13 < nmz787> kanzure airdroid was a major disappointment
15:13 < nmz787> did. not. help.
15:14 < kanzure> ouch
15:14 < nmz787> why the hell my phone requires mobile data to start a hotspot is beyond me
15:14 < nmz787> were the engineers actually retarded monkeys?
15:14 < kanzure> yes
15:14 < nmz787> :/
15:15 < nmz787> i may have to convert to apple
15:16 < bbrittain> nmz787--
15:16 < bbrittain> >_<
15:16 < bbrittain> why
15:16 < bbrittain> what do you need?
15:17 < nmz787> android pisses me off all the time
15:17 < nmz787> drivedroid also failed
15:18 < nmz787> list is kinda long tio fingertype now
15:18 < nmz787> but i guess it's just normal shit to me, maybe advanced to the normal person
15:18 < bbrittain> oh, I see your problem:  it's because you are trying to use a phone like it's a real device.
15:18 < bbrittain> it's not.
15:18 < bbrittain> :P
15:18 < kanzure> "hold on a sec let me reboot my phone"
15:18 < nmz787> i havr he htc one m8 and it's the flgagship device this year and its junk
15:19 < nmz787> removed optical stabilization for some depth sensing canera that i dont care about
15:19 < nmz787> cant do mesh
15:19 < kanzure> i think a lot of the telephony/gsm/cdma/wifi stuff would be lots better if there was an open source or at least accessible firmware for those aspects
15:19 < nmz787> easily at least, def not out of box
15:19 < nmz787> cant send files via bluetooth to chromebook
15:20 < kanzure> were you able to do that before?
15:20 < nmz787> couldnt get chromebook to work with drivedroid
15:20 < nmz787> idk didnt have chromebook
15:20 < nmz787> but my htc evo 4g (2010 i believe) had a much nicer camera
15:21 < kanzure> chris_99: it's just email netiquette stuff :p
15:21 < nmz787> ahh, what else
15:21 < chris_99> kanzure, ah
15:21 < nmz787> flashlight doesnt work on low battery
15:21 < kanzure> i am sure that camera variance is large enough to be noticable, i doubt that phones are competing on the performance of their cameras overall
15:21 < nmz787> earlier i was listening to music and snapping cam pics caused music to get choppy
15:22 < kanzure> still having trouble figuring out if this stuff didn't happen to you before
15:22 < nmz787> they added another cam to this tho
15:22 < nmz787> so they were thinking of it
15:24 < nmz787> gtg
15:27 < kanzure> bbrittain: why hasn't mozilla funded an open source broadband system on a chip radio doohickey
15:28 < bbrittain> working on it
15:28 < kanzure> any details?
15:29 < bbrittain> part of the logic behind FFxOS is that we can pressure manufacturers into opening up these systems... working? not yet.
15:29 < bbrittain> there is really _no_ incentive for them to do it
15:29 < bbrittain> which is very frustrating
15:30 < kanzure> no incentive for mozilla to do it, or no incentive for manufacturers to open up?
15:31 < bbrittain> zomg. the manufacturers. I've never worked somewhere that was actually as altruistic as Mozilla
15:31 < kanzure> i think that the cost of opening up is pretty big in a few cases, because of existing contracts/ip law that they might have already agreed to and already forgotten about
15:31 < bbrittain> very much so
15:31 < kanzure> i think that mozilla probably could come up with a handful of incentives, not to mention just brand ("hey it's the only fucking radio chip that's open source and not nsa")
15:32 < bbrittain> the culture at these companies are very differnt
15:32 < bbrittain> they just don't get it. they are stuck in their ways
15:32 < kanzure> i mean incentives for mozilla, not the other companies heh
15:32 < bbrittain> ahh. yea.
15:33 < kanzure> but knowing mozilla, it would end up being a javascript-emulating chip
15:33 < kanzure> "it's like sun's chip, except web 2.0ier"
15:33 < bbrittain> I don't like some of the marketing strategies for FFxOS and I'm skeptical of long-term success
15:33 < kanzure> go on?
15:33 < bbrittain> but I agree with a lot of it's long term goals
15:33 < kanzure> .wik java processor
15:33 < yoleaux> "A Java processor is the implementation of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM) in hardware. In other words the bytecodes that make up the instruction set of the abstract machine become the instruction set of a concrete machine." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_processor
15:33 < bbrittain> aka jazellle
15:33 < bbrittain> *shudder*
15:34 < kanzure> i wonder if the antenna hardware is particularly hard to manufacture for wifi, gsm, etc
15:34 < bbrittain> well, adoption of FFxOS has been OK, but not as much as we would like. monetization is gonna be difficult
15:34 < bbrittain> and if we can't monetize, it's gonna be difficult for mozilla to survive in a few years
15:35 < bbrittain> it's not, as long as you actually mean the antenna :P
15:35 < kanzure> yes the actual antenna part
15:35 < kanzure> i don't know if that's etched or just a filament attachment
15:35 < bbrittain> this is actually my last week at Mozilla. mixed feelings.
15:35 < kanzure> kick the servo people in the rear for me
15:35 < bbrittain> I do, like every day.
15:36 < bbrittain> 'cause rust >> like anything
15:36 < bbrittain> or, has the potential to be
15:36 < gradstudentbot> So, I'll let you have my reagents when I'm done with my project.
15:36 < gradstudentbot> Where are the pipettes?
15:38 < bbrittain> omg. gradstudentbot is so annoying.
15:38 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, but that was only a sample size of one.
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15:38 < kanzure> sorry about that
15:39 < bbrittain> ahh, np. I was just gonna hide him
15:39 < kanzure> no, it's a stupid bot anyway
15:39 < bbrittain> it's like an actual grad student
15:39 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovEghdXC4tE
15:39 < kanzure> .title
15:39 < yoleaux> Shit Graduate Students Say
15:43  * bbrittain is so grad I've never been a grad student
15:44 < bbrittain> maybe soon though
15:44  * bbrittain has no life plan
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15:47 < kanzure> for now your goal can be to avoid becoming the guy in that video
15:48 < bbrittain> well, I've worked with enough grad students to know being them sucks
15:48 < bbrittain> bio ones especially
15:48  * bbrittain wonders if kanzure was ever one of them
15:49 < kanzure> i was an undergrad working in 3 labs at the same time
15:49 < kanzure> dropped out of college
15:49 < bbrittain> ahhh
15:49 < kanzure> molecular biology, mechanical engineering, and a plant physiology biofuel group
15:50 < bbrittain> well, I've always said college is overrated - I don't have a degree either... at least yet.
15:50 < kanzure> although the mechanical engineering group was more like a computer science graph theory group heh
15:51 < kanzure> i keep forgetting the things you claim to work on at mozilla
15:51  * dingo is a dropout also, dropout party!
15:51 < kanzure> webrtc?
15:51 < bbrittain> daala, webrtc, networking, tcpinc-tls... I dunno. shit.
15:52 < dingo> whos the mozilla? bbrittain ?
15:52 < kanzure> bbrittain bkero etc
15:52 < dingo> do you know erik rose by chance?
15:52 < dingo> i know mozilla is big, just asking
15:52 < bbrittain> nah, he's a remote
15:52 < dingo> i think he just started working remote now in SC or some shit
15:53 < bkero> Me
15:53 < bkero> dingo: I do
15:53 < kanzure> haha
15:53 < bkero> I've been talking with him all day.
15:53 < bkero> He just fucked off for dinner.
15:53 < dingo> tell him dingo/jquast says hello :)
15:53 < bbrittain> bkero seems to be one of those portland people...
15:53  * bbrittain is suspicious of them
15:53 < dingo> i forked his 'blessings' python project to 'blessed' and gave him a lot of grief in pull requests
15:53 < bbrittain> they somehow managed to have the allhands up there...
15:53 < kanzure> there's a good number of portland people in here
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15:53 < dingo> i managed to double his codebase, he couldn't keep up with me
15:53 < bkero> Yup
15:54  * bkero is portland people
15:54 < bkero> currently dicking around with oculus rift
15:54 < bbrittain> no way. we are doing that in MV right now too in the kitchen
15:54 < kanzure> any particular sort of dicking?
15:54 < bbrittain> like. right now.
15:55 < bkero> mv moz office?
15:55 < bbrittain> ja
15:55 < bkero> I'm considering making an x11 wm for it
15:55 < bbrittain> ewww.
15:55 < bbrittain> wayland
15:55 < bbrittain> actually usable right now
15:55 < bbrittain> and easy too
15:56 < bbrittain> just for the basic shell
15:56 < bkero> I saw it. The code's a bit bitrotted.
15:56 < bbrittain> fork*
15:56 < bkero> also qt
15:56 < kanzure> i think the wayland.freedesktop.org maintainer is in here
15:56 < kanzure> wayland is qt specific?
15:56 < bbrittain> nooo
15:56 < bkero> no, but the oculus rift compositor is
15:56 < bbrittain> thank god noooo
15:57 < kanzure> bkero: forwhy?
15:57 < bbrittain> really? well qt can be used with wayland
15:57 < bkero> kanzure: dunno  ask him
15:57 < kanzure> nsh: oculus rift tabbed browsing?
15:58 < dingo> my aspirations for occulus rift are weak... i just want a good terminal emulator and vim...
15:58 < bbrittain> sounds like the perfect usecase for a screen
15:59 < bkero> I do terminals and browsers, yeah
15:59 < dingo> i have bad eyesight, so it would let me sit back for once instead of leaning in so much hehe
15:59 < bbrittain> nah, I'm joking. I totally get it.
15:59 < bbrittain> dk2 is pretty impressive
15:59 < bbrittain> I've heard the consumer beta is absolutely astounding.
16:00 < dingo> yeah it'll be a game changer, no doubt about it
16:00 < dingo> im feeling a bit too old for it myself
16:00 < bbrittain> lolz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8164860
16:00 < bbrittain> kanzure: ^
16:03 < kanzure> "I funded this project on kickstart." what a moron, it's not called kickstart and nobody cares that you gave them money (you and 1000 other idiots)
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16:04 < kanzure> dingo: a stenographer emailed me today and says she types 200 wpm for 8 hours straight with no breaks with this doohicker, http://www.infinitytraditional.com/infinity-ergonomic-court-w-lcd/
16:05 < dingo> ahh yes
16:06 < kanzure> this might be an acceptable alternative not sure http://utopen.com/stenoboard-kits/21-stenoboard-11-kit.html
16:06 < kanzure> (the plastic looks a little weak or uncomfortable)
16:06 < dingo> mm that 2nd one, the black image, looks a lot like the layout of my kinesis
16:06 < dingo> more focus on the thumboard section
16:08 < kanzure> downside is you will be muttering "what's the key combo for 'write an angry email'?" all day every few hours
16:08 < dingo> ahh i don't write angry emails anymore
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16:08 < kanzure> what!
16:08 < dingo> i'm on my way out any day now
16:09 < kanzure> angry emails aren't just a result of employment, it's a way of life
16:19 < kyknos_> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-294x.1999.00699.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
16:19 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1046%2Fj.1365-294x.1999.00699.x
16:20 < kanzure> hint: don't include userIsAuthenticated=false
16:21 < kyknos_> GOOD POINT
16:21 < delinquentme_> does hadoop facilitate talk between nodes?
16:22 < delinquentme_> specifically intra-compute nodes
16:24 < kanzure> "Development at Google has since moved on [from hadoop mapreduce] to technologies such as Percolator, Flume and MillWheel that offer streaming operation and updates instead of batch processing, to allow integrating "live" search results without rebuilding the complete index."
16:28 < dingo> millwheel i think was robert pikes project?
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16:28 < dingo> looks pretty good, its like a map-reduce awk
16:28 < dingo> :)
16:29 < dingo> he talks about it in one of his go talks
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16:29 < kanzure> dingo: give me a reason to bother with golang?
16:29 < dingo> nope! it was a language that inspired golang, not go itself, hehe
16:29 < kanzure> nothing about golang looks /bad/ but i do not feel particularly compelled yet
16:30 < bbrittain> really? it doesn't verify *anything* about multi-thread memory safety
16:30 < bbrittain> no generics
16:30 < bbrittain> not actually fast
16:30 < bbrittain> I see no compelling reason for it at all
16:30 < bbrittain> besides the cute mascot
16:31 < kanzure> so, i haven't looked into golang criticisms at all yet
16:31 < kanzure> but i do remember googlers were complaining about everything else being inefficient (which i thought was an odd claim)
16:31 < ParahSailin> go is efficient at compiling
16:31 < kanzure> i also don't remember what they were comparing to- maybe java- in which case lots of purpose-specific things can outrun that
16:32 < ParahSailin> maybe efficient for strangers to pick up code and maintain it
16:32 < kanzure> ehh is it? i was looking at some golang code the other day and was not very amused.
16:33 < ParahSailin> it takes the "only one way to do it" to extremes, even enforcing whitespace rules
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16:33 < ParahSailin> of course its really low level and verbose is you get out of the domain it is useful in, which must be pretty limited
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16:34 < kanzure> the gripe i had about rust when i tried it was the standard library was lacking
16:35 < ParahSailin> it doesnt have a decent bigint library yet
16:35 < ParahSailin> which i guess is partly because mozilla doesnt want to link to gmp
16:36 < ParahSailin> also i dont think it even has semantics around epoll yet?
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16:38 < ParahSailin> at least rust is using some concepts developed in computer science from less than 40 years ago
16:39 < bkero> bbrittain: Are you on the moz vr team?
16:39 < bbrittain> bkero: hah, no
16:41 < bbrittain> bkero: https://phonebook.mozilla.org/#search/bbrittain@mozilla.com
16:42 < jrayhawk> "15:58 < kanzure> i think the wayland.freedesktop.org maintainer is in here" there are a lot of maintainers
16:43 < kanzure> okie dokie
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16:58 < kyknos_> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mec.12234/abstract
16:58 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f8be5de78d0078a95d999e5f9095f22.txt
16:59 < dingo> 19:33 < ParahSailin> go is efficient at compiling
16:59 < dingo> also very easy to deploy
16:59 < dingo> just a single static binary
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17:15 < newbee> hello
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17:22 < Guest19104> hello
17:34 < Guest19104> Installed wxPython from rpm
17:34 < Guest19104>  tried to find the rpm and finally I got rpm file for my OS as well.  Installation was good..but when I do python >>> import wx Traceback (most recent call last):   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?   File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/__init__.py", line 45, in ?     from wx._core import *   File "/usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/_core.py", line 4, in ?     import _core_ Impo
17:35 < bbrittain> uhhh. Guest19104 probably wrong channel.
17:40 < nmz787> yo
17:40 < nmz787> guest whatever i told to come hete
17:40 < nmz787> here
17:41 < nmz787> bbritain
17:41 < nmz787> kanzure any ideas re good links on teaching her how to compile or install on linux?
17:42 < bkero> dingo: he sez hi back
17:43 < dingo> without any cuss words? :)
17:44 < bbrittain> Guest19104, nmz787: probably a good first step would be to upgrade to a recent python version
17:44 < bbrittain> at least a 2.6.*
17:44 < kanzure> nmz787: compilation can be handled by reading gcc manual?
17:44  * bbrittain rolls eyes
17:44 < kanzure> hm?
17:45 < kanzure> i can't telepathically transmit all my knowledge about "compile or install on linux"
17:45 < kanzure> that's a huge topic?
17:45 < dingo> yeah its more like "lets share screens and i'll figure it out and explain it when I'm done"
17:45 < dingo> hard to do that kind of stuff over irc conversation
17:45 < kanzure> i wish people were more upfront about requests for that
17:47 < bbrittain> it's also not a very helpful response though, it's like saying go google it.
17:47 < bbrittain> it comes off as dismissive, even if understandable.
17:50 < bbrittain> nmz787, Guest19104: what is the endgoal of this?
17:51 < dingo> i guess Guest19104 is learning/wanting to make a python gui program?
17:51 < Guest19104> python version is 2.7
17:51 < dingo> Guest19104: is this CentOS or RedHat linux, by chance?
17:52 < bbrittain> probably fedora, yes?
17:52 < dingo> instead of 'python', try 'python2.7'
17:52 < Guest19104> yes I want to build a GUI Application using wxPython
17:53 < Guest19104> Its Linux 2.6.18
17:53 < bbrittain> well, update then
17:53 < dingo> naw forget that, that'll open a whole new can of worms!
17:54 < dingo> gosh that is like 8 years old, too :)
17:54 < bbrittain> hence it being problem #1
17:54 < bbrittain> but... this is like 100% off-topic
17:54 < dingo> i thought this was the IT support channel
17:55 < dingo> i always come here to trick kanzure into solving interesting problems
17:55 < dingo> i think Guest19104's problem just isn't interesting -- thats the problem
17:55 < nmz787> sshe seems new in general to compuling
17:55 < bbrittain> there is no compiling going on here
17:55 < nmz787> figured someone here would know where to point her as a newb
17:55 < bbrittain> to #python
17:55 < nmz787> there was
17:56 < nmz787> in a google group discussion
17:56 < nmz787> but they werent as smart as ppl here
17:56 < kanzure> ugh
17:56 < bbrittain> Guest19104: go join #python, they can help
17:57 < bbrittain> Guest19104: or even #wxpython
17:57 < Guest19104> ??
17:57 < Guest19104> horrible group
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17:59 < nmz787> wxPython RC is dead
17:59 < kanzure> bbrittain: i don't even know where to begin mocking all of this
17:59 < nmz787> irc
17:59 < bbrittain> kanzure: I should have never engaged
17:59 < dingo> i privmsg'd Guest19104 my offer for help for the next hour, if Guest19104 can figure out how to find private msgs :) but we can't continue this here
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18:00 < kanzure> bbrittain: well maybe, but the root cause here is nmz787
18:00 < dingo> im just babysitting PyInstaller builds for windows right now anyway
18:00 < dingo> PyInstaller :) way harder than wxPython
18:00 < kanzure> bbrittain: it's not the newbie's fault for showing up in here
18:00  * bbrittain glares at nmz787
18:01 < kanzure> well i was hoping for help explaining to nmz787 why that's a bad idea, not only glaring
18:01 < kanzure> (but glaring is acceptable)
18:01  * bbrittain glares angrily at nmz787
18:01 < kanzure> hah
18:01 < bbrittain> better?
18:01 < kanzure> well it's like showing up in #firefox and asking them to help with llvm because "you guys are pretty smart"
18:02 < bbrittain> every. single. day.
18:03 < kanzure> oh that happens huh
18:03 < bbrittain> thankfully it takes some level of ability to add irc.mozilla.org to your irc client
18:03 < kanzure> "how am i bookmark? devs pls respond"
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18:03 < kanzure> i guess that's vaguely browser related
18:04 < kanzure> damn
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18:04 < bbrittain> I'm a big fan of bars simple tests to gain access to groups
18:05 < bbrittain> can you compile? you may join #llvm
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18:05 < bbrittain> actually, the most worthwhile channels I am on are not on freenode... because it is too easy to get here
18:05 < bbrittain> OFTC ftw
18:05 < dingo> i thought about making a "hacker's test" as part of the application for an account on my telnet/ssh bbs :)
18:06 < kanzure> that's hard to do for this channel, because it would cut off most of the biology lizards
18:06 < bbrittain> I mean, the bar needs to be incredibly low in my opinion... but the amount of people it will keep away is astounding.
18:06 < bbrittain> how many of them actually are here anyways?
18:06 < bbrittain> I only ever see tech talk
18:06 < kanzure> three or four
18:07 < dingo> i stay on efnet because of its maturity, everybody there is minimum age 30 for the most part, its quiet but its good conversations.
18:07 < kanzure> "i stay on irc because of its maturity" butthead
18:07 < kanzure> hehe
18:07 < dingo> shutup or i'll hack your channel!
18:08 < dingo> and ddos you
18:08 < kanzure> ParahSailin: let's ddos glowing plant and demand a ransom
18:10 < bbrittain> the way to actually get them involved would be to not use IRC
18:10 < bbrittain> hmmm
18:10 < kanzure> well, it's not like i'm interested in hearing 100 grad students tell me how doing anything outside a lab is illegal
18:10 < bbrittain> wait. wat.
18:10 < bbrittain> really? do they do that?
18:11 < kanzure> there's a bunch of trolls on the diybio list
18:11 < kanzure> angry people who are angry that they had to go through academia to get their "credibility"
18:11 < bbrittain> pshaw. I'm not gonna do that.
18:12 < kanzure> not all of them do that, of course
18:12 < bbrittain> I've always wondered where the YCnews clone of biology is
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18:12 < bbrittain> is there one?
18:12 < kanzure> didn't we already have this conversation
18:12 < bbrittain> maybe?
18:12 < kanzure> and i claimed something about biologists hating interneting
18:12 < bbrittain> seems plausible
18:12 < bbrittain> yea
18:13 < bbrittain> we did
18:13 < bbrittain> I forgot how that convo started
18:13 < kanzure> probably someone complaining about no forums
18:13 < bbrittain> but... but... HOW DO WE MAKE THEM DO IT
18:13 < kanzure> what about blackmail?
18:14 < bbrittain> I'm of the opinion that one of the reasons that tech has exploded at such a rate is that it is inherently linked to increased communication.
18:14 < bbrittain> in particular communication that is open
18:14 < bbrittain> how do we get the biotech people onboard
18:14 < bbrittain> ??
18:15 < kanzure> i'm not sure that's a real problem
18:15 < kanzure> i mean, go look at the quality of "discussion" at bioforums or w/e
18:15 < kanzure> totally boring useless crap
18:15 < kanzure> http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/index.php
18:15 < kanzure> http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/topic/29628-celecoxib-forms-crystals-when-diluted-in-rpmi-how-do-i-avoid-this/
18:15 < kanzure> and nobody can type a reply worth a damn
18:16 < bbrittain> :(
18:16 < bbrittain> so the community sucks
18:17 < bbrittain> well, also the focus of the site is wrong, there is no culture
18:17 < bbrittain> nor does it seem to facilitate it
18:17 < kanzure> what would you expect the culture to be
18:18 < bbrittain> like HN of 3 years ago please.
18:18 < bbrittain> :D
18:18 < kanzure> there's culture there, but i dunno about community
18:19 < bbrittain> hah, well it's hard to not have a culture
18:20 < bbrittain> huh, I wonder if the abrasiveness of the early tech community was a net positive. an abrasive (diy)biotech community might keep out the problem ppl
18:21 < kanzure> there was a wonderfully abrasive core group of people in diybio, but then a bunch of assholes that wanted to include everyone (including people that weren't interested in diybio)
18:22 < kanzure> s/was/is
18:22 < kanzure> there are very different "market structures" at play in the biology world
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18:23 < kanzure> like, for one, the secrecy of different competing labs, keeping everything on paper in notebooks that you have to return to the school when you leave, etc
18:23 < kanzure> never-ending stream of incoming students
18:23 < bbrittain> damn. maybe I should actually read the diybio lists. they always seemed like junk
18:23 < kanzure> like any other feed, there are good contributors and then there are boring contributors
18:25 < bbrittain> kanzure: so what is needed then is "simply" a stronger open/libre culture, no?
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18:27 < kanzure> honestly i have no idea
18:31 < bbrittain> but... I just want a biology hackernews I can waste time on
18:32 < kanzure> well, at minimum, you will have to make sure that the "press release frenzi" stays the hell away
18:32 < kanzure> because that is just damaging and deadly
18:33 < bbrittain> yea...
18:34 < bbrittain> step one: acquire code. step two: acquire legetimate orginization to attach name to a la HN style. step three: acquire 10-15 people. step four: tell them not to advertise
18:34 < kanzure> i think hacker news is a good idea for lead generation for their venture capital plans
18:34 < kanzure> i am pretty surprised that nobody else has caught on to that strategy
18:35 < bbrittain> it's genius
18:35 < kanzure> like, not even the major non-profits?
18:35 < bbrittain> well, really I hate that aspect of YC
18:35 < kanzure> hm?
18:35 < bbrittain> VC pisses me off
18:35 < bbrittain> not like I'm about to go join a startup anyways
18:36 < kanzure> oh, well it might be an annoying debasement of human decency, but still genius
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18:37 < bbrittain> as a way of minimizing risks for the companies that inevitably wind up buying them (assuming success)? yes.
18:37 < bbrittain> ex: google, fb
18:37 < kanzure> i meant hacker news, not the venture capital game itself
18:37 < bbrittain> ahh yes
18:38 < bbrittain> I view bio-HN as the same but with an academia bent (unfortuntly)
18:40 < bbrittain> kanzure: hmmm, I know you hate them, but would you use a news.ginkgobioworks.com? or a news.genomecompiler.com?
18:40 < bbrittain> assuming it existed
18:41 < kanzure> i wouldn't be opposed to stalking them
18:42  * bbrittain rolls eyes
18:42 < bbrittain> that wouldn't be helpful
18:42 < kanzure> heh
18:45 < kanzure> i might go for one from transcriptic
18:46 < bbrittain> ugh. really? out of all of these companies you like transcriptic?
18:47 < bbrittain> it's cool. I would never use one from genomecompiler either though
18:47 < kanzure> "like" heh
18:48 < bbrittain> transcriptic is ease of use at the cost of centralization. which is bad
18:48 < bbrittain> it'll make the inevitable regulation that much easier
18:49 < kanzure> i agree that the centralization they are pimping is bad, but that has sort of already happened
18:49 < kanzure> and also i dunno if the market can support the opposite. not sure.
18:50 < jrayhawk> http://www.youtube.com/user/AncestryFoundation/videos piles of new videos today
18:51 < bbrittain> do you work at one of these companies, or are you pure diyer?
18:51 < kanzure> i do not work at those companies
18:52 < kanzure> i prefer open source hardware in general, and i'm particularly fond of people doing things on their own
18:52 < bbrittain> "these"
18:52 < kanzure> erm, i do independent contracting to fling code at various software companies
18:53 < nmz787> OMG back to my laptop!!!
18:54 < nmz787> sorry to piss you off bbrittain but it is actually kinda neat that it stirred up so much activity :)
18:54 < nmz787> last few weeks have been a little slow IMO
18:54 < kanzure> that's not neat, you moron anyone can fucking troll better than that
18:54 < nmz787> ?
18:54 < nmz787> I wasn't trolling
18:54 < kanzure> stirring up activity that is off topic is not trolling?
18:54 < nmz787> just that I know the ppl in here /could/ help
18:55 < kanzure> you have a really weird definition of trolling
18:55 < nmz787> everyone talks about software all the time in here
18:55 < kanzure> anyway, i'm just informing you that you could potentially troll better if you actually put your mind to it
18:55 < nmz787> oh ya
18:55 < nmz787> i been trolling since i was in preschool
18:55 < kanzure> wait is that disgusting?
18:56 < nmz787> I reformed mostly, before I met you
18:57 < kanzure> what's wrong with people knowing about software anyway
18:57 < nmz787> I guess I shouldn't have mentioned anything
18:58 < nmz787> maybe you would have posted some real links
18:58 < kanzure> huh?
18:58 < nmz787> featuring keywords like 'howto' and such
18:58 < nmz787> 'tutorial'
18:58 < nmz787> why do I get the blame?
18:59 < kanzure> well at the moment because just saying "howto" doesn't explain anything to me
18:59 < nmz787> re the guest earlier
19:00 < kanzure> i am completely unaware of any generic tutorial about "compiling and installing on linux" that would be both correct and actually helpful
19:00  * bbrittain still hasn't stopped glaring at nmz787 
19:00  * nmz787 is immune to glaring
19:01  * nmz787 continues eating his food-cart indian food platter
19:08 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
19:09 < kanzure> "A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People From Being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Publick,[1] commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, is a Juvenalian satirical essay written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729. Swift suggests that the impoverished Irish might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food for rich gentlemen and ladies.[2]"
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21:01 < bbrittain> lol, I'm reading the diybio mailing lists
21:01 < bbrittain> and a post?
21:01 < bbrittain> kanzure, first to respond
21:03 < kanzure> "and a post?" what?
21:04 < bbrittain> sorry, I'm reading it through google groups like a scrub right now
21:04 < bbrittain> an email
21:04 < bbrittain> I approve
21:04 < kanzure> i generate a lot of email
21:04 < kanzure> sort of hated for it
21:05 < bbrittain> it's like "we are making this open source", and you come in and are like "LIES"
21:05 < kanzure> well someone has to call them on their bullshit
21:05 < bbrittain> strongly approve
21:05 < bbrittain> sooooon I will have a 100% free software/open hardware laptop. and it will be amazing.
21:06 < bbrittain> novena ftw
21:06 < kanzure> even wifi?
21:06 < bbrittain> ya
21:06 < kanzure> details?
21:06 < bbrittain> well... the SSD won't be
21:06 < bbrittain> but... we can pretend
21:06 < bbrittain> raw board: https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
21:06 < bbrittain> made by xobs & bunnie
21:06 < bbrittain> then I'm making a carbon fiber case
21:06 < kanzure> oh right bunnie isn't dead
21:07 < bbrittain> and only sourcing open hardware for the rest
21:07 < bbrittain> It'll be a shit laptop... but so awesome
21:07 < bbrittain> all these bio people I'm gonna be working with are gonna be so confuzeled. so will TSA
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21:08 < kanzure> soon you will be contributing gradstudentbot lines with the best of them
21:09 < bbrittain> nah, I shouldn't have to deal with any grad students. I swear I'll never go to a bio academia lab
21:09 < bbrittain> again
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21:10 < kanzure> oh i thought that's where you were going?
21:10 < bbrittain> naaaah
21:10 < kanzure> mozbio?
21:10 < bbrittain> haha, I can't tell you. you would harsh on me way too much
21:11 < kanzure> don't deny me my uh.. something.
21:12 < bbrittain> nah, I'm about to start working at Ginkgo. :P
21:12  * bbrittain waits for the dislike to boil over
21:12 < kanzure> btw you may prefer reading diybio in reverse
21:12 < kanzure> oh dude you're totally going to have to prank tom knight for me
21:12 < bbrittain> haha
21:12 < kanzure> put a woofie cushion on his chairs
21:13 < bbrittain> he was out of town when I went to go interview. I'm looking forward to meeting him
21:14 < kanzure> hmm where did the email archive go
21:15 < kanzure> 141 MB http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/diybio.maildir.tar.gz
21:15 < bbrittain> downloadin'
21:16 < bbrittain> I hate my internet so much. thats gonna be the best part of going to boston
21:16 < bbrittain> you'd think SV would have good internet
21:16 < bbrittain> NOPE
21:16 < kanzure> all the cool kids just use ec2
21:16 < bbrittain> ok. opinions on Ryan Bethencourt?
21:17 < kanzure> worth meeting
21:17 < bbrittain> really? he keeps coming of as a tool
21:17 < kanzure> yes but he's a useful tool
21:17 < bbrittain> problem #1) posting articles on linkedin
21:17 < kanzure> and i haven't seem him wrong, iirc
21:17 < bbrittain> some of us don't even have a linkedin.
21:18 < kanzure> oh, don't judge him by his emails his emails are boring and dumb
21:18 < bbrittain> and his tweets
21:18 < bbrittain> I'll keep that in mind though
21:26 < bbrittain> sorry for all the questions. I'm trying to immerse myself in this stuff
21:27 < kanzure> no, everyone else should be apologizing
21:28 < bbrittain> for what? not immersing themselves?
21:28 < kanzure> pretty much
21:28 < bbrittain> or for not responding to my attempted immersion
21:28 < kanzure> nah they should be welcome to ignore you
21:29 < bbrittain> excellent. I would highly advise it :P
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21:33 < bbrittain> I keep seeing nmz787 on these emails as well
21:33 < kanzure> yes he is a person that exists
21:33 < kanzure> that's where we abducted him
21:34 < bbrittain> lol at nmz787 trying to form an iGem team at RIT. thats never gonna work. too much co-ops and apathy
21:38 < nmz787> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTL2Ug6llE
21:38 < kanzure> "I don't know whose idea this was, but I don't think they thought it through very well."
21:38 < nmz787> bbrittain: that was like 5 years ago
21:38 < kanzure> .title
21:38 < yoleaux> ScienceCasts: The Sound of Earthsong
21:38 < kanzure> nmz787: he reads fast
21:39 < bbrittain> nmz787: you know joey bullard?
21:40 < bbrittain> kanzure: I'm only back till january. I'm slow. but he made an irritated iGem comment about it at Ellen Jorgesun
21:40 < nmz787> idk the name offhand
21:41 < kanzure> reading in that order seems a little backwards
21:41 < bbrittain> genspace founder
21:41 < kanzure> if you read the other direction, you would see how genspace started
21:41 < kanzure> and when ellen got involved
21:41 < nmz787> bbrittain: do you know tom knight?
21:41 < bbrittain> I know that history
21:41 < bbrittain> I've met ellen
21:41 < bbrittain> nmz787: not yet :P
21:41 < bbrittain> gimme 2 weeks
21:41 < kanzure> and a woofie cushion
21:42 < bbrittain> I'll flip reading directions now that your archive is downloaded
21:43 < kanzure> not sure what to suggest you for that. notmuch?
21:44 < bbrittain> vim
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21:44 < kanzure> stdout, duh
21:44 < bbrittain> probably easier tbh
21:45 < bbrittain> ahh. starts off with Jason Kelly. I know these people :P
21:45 < nmz787> are you starting from the beginnning?
21:46 < nmz787> or the end? (when does that end?)
21:46 < bbrittain> beginning I think? It's 2008
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21:46 < bbrittain> omg. I'm gonna need to write a script to parse this or something
21:46 < kanzure> haha 2008 "[Hplusroadmap] Fwd: Re: Garagista Protocols and Equipment"
21:46 < bbrittain> this is unreadable
21:47 < kanzure> i keep forgetting that hplusroadmap was pre-diybio
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21:50 < bbrittain> damn. what was I doing back then
21:51 < kanzure> mining bitcoin
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21:51 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_antenna
21:52 < kanzure> .wik plasma antenna
21:52 < nmz787> sooo, it mentions solid-state versions
21:52 < yoleaux> "A plasma antenna is a type of radio antenna currently in development in which plasma is used instead of the metal elements of a traditional antenna. A plasma antenna can be used for both transmission and reception." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_antenna
21:52 < nmz787> sounds like the perfect compliment to sdr
21:54 < kanzure> did you ever end up meeting gene_hacker
21:54 < nmz787> bbrittain: you went to RIT?
21:54 < nmz787> or are now?
21:54 < bbrittain> still, kinda
21:54 < nmz787> me too :P
21:55 < nmz787> 3 classes left
21:55 < bbrittain> haha, you should wrap that up
21:55 < nmz787> yeah
21:55 < nmz787> it's getting there
21:55 < bbrittain> I'm taking a year off to work for ginkgo
21:55 < nmz787> ahh
21:55 < nmz787> they're tried that on me
21:55 < kanzure> what?
21:56 < nmz787> I think I went to JBEI that year instead
21:56 < bbrittain> I'll probably graduate
21:56 < bbrittain> my parents would murder me if I didn't
21:57 < kanzure> murder them first, problem solved
21:57 < nmz787> i actually still need the english 101 type class
21:57 < nmz787> like the one I should have taken the very first quarter
21:57 < bbrittain> haha, you know semesters now :D
21:57 < nmz787> yeah
21:57 < nmz787> they don't care for me
21:58 < nmz787> i just have to replace with the same classes
21:58 < nmz787> i left just before semesters started
21:59 < nmz787> i need a calc b/2 class, and an analytical chem class... since the time I took it i didn't do any of the writeups at all. Got great yields and results on experiments though!
21:59 < bbrittain> semesters are awful
21:59 < bbrittain> I've only done one
21:59 < bbrittain> but it was awful
21:59 < nmz787> quarters were OK
21:59 < nmz787> they were kinda too quick
22:00 < nmz787> in some cases
22:00 < nmz787> everyone always complained about long classes that were like 3+ hours long
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22:00 < nmz787> but I prefer them generally over 2x or 3x a week
22:00 < bbrittain> same
22:01 < nmz787> I also tend to hate non-project-based homework
22:01 < bbrittain> which is why I just don't do them
22:01 < nmz787> or homework that is using some shitty software/reporting standard
22:01 < nmz787> yeah
22:01 < bbrittain> I told my physics teacher I wasn't gonna install flash to do his demos
22:02 < bbrittain> he was ok with it. he was an emacs user
22:02 < bbrittain> all of his slides were done with beamer :P
22:04 < bbrittain> nah RIT is OK.
22:04 < bbrittain> I'm glad not to be there right now there
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22:07 < bbrittain> nmz787: are you gonna go back?
22:07 < bbrittain> is there any point to going back?
22:10 < kanzure> not having to murder parents?
22:10 < kanzure> otherwise no
22:12 < bbrittain> hmm. is it possible nmz787 posts more on diybio than kanzure??
22:13 < bbrittain> s/posts/emails/
22:14 < kanzure> yeah he's sent about 800 emails more than me
22:14 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!aboutgroup/diybio
22:14 < nmz787> oO
22:14 < nmz787> stats
22:14 < nmz787> bbrittain: nah I live in Oregon full-time
22:15 < nmz787> I can do it all locally,  I just don't really see much point in geting it done fast
22:15 < nmz787> I have other things to do
22:15 < nmz787> I've been doing one class per quarter/semester
22:15 < nmz787> taking the summer off
22:15 < nmz787> :P
22:15 < bbrittain> noice
22:16 < nmz787> but I work at Intel
22:16 < nmz787> and my quest for The One Strand
22:16 < nmz787> my precious
22:18 < nmz787> nice, we are the top 2 posters
22:18 < nmz787> who was unknown?
22:18 < nmz787> kanzure: have you got these stats manually from the archive?
22:18 < bbrittain> huh, I wonder what the ginkgo people think of you all
22:19 < kanzure> they think pretty negatively of me
22:19 < kanzure> considering i pissed off tom knight
22:19 < bbrittain> I'll let you know what institutionalized "diybio" has to say
22:19 < nmz787> I can see why mega is 4th
22:19 < kanzure> probably cathal
22:19 < nmz787> but 3rd must be Cathal
22:19 < kanzure> since he went all rogue and deleted his gmail account blah blah blah
22:19 < kanzure> "fuck the feds!!!1oneoneone eurodance forever"
22:19 < nmz787> I came to that independently, I think... so that seems to add validity
22:20 < nmz787> (I totally could have been subconsciously influenced while alt-tabbing)
22:20 < kanzure> well the other reason it makes sense is because cathal is not elsewhere on the list
22:20 < nmz787> yeah
22:20 < nmz787> my logic also
22:20 < bbrittain> delete gmail +1
22:20 < bbrittain> host your own
22:20 < kanzure> yeah but you don't have to do that while pimping eurodance
22:21 < kanzure> some of us have refined musical tastes
22:21 < nmz787> some dude told me he pwned google audio capcha but on the demo day they changed their capchas
22:21 < kanzure> like pop eurodance thank you very much
22:21 < nmz787> something that made his ANN stop working
22:21 < nmz787> which I wonder, if it was an ANN, shouldn't it be easy to add new training?
22:21 < nmz787> not that I've had great experience with ANNs
22:21 < kanzure> weighted perceptrons don't necessarily respond well to all new types of data
22:22 < nmz787> the one i did was backprop something
22:23 < nmz787> bbrittain: diybio was pretty much my answer to RIT not fully satisfying
22:23 < nmz787> RIT was/is good though
22:23 < nmz787> I did a year of CS, took some semiconductor labs and lectures
22:24 < nmz787> had a job with Jon Schull for a while and got to 'innovate' all over campus (generally increasing my access to resources)
22:24  * bbrittain is actually a CS major
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22:24 < nmz787> that was all in addition to the core biotech
22:25 < nmz787> with most of the lab courses there except for plant biotech and the bioremediation/fermentation course
22:25 < nmz787> (biotech lab courses)
22:26 < bbrittain> I'd like to see an iGem team there
22:26 < bbrittain> but I don't see that working out with co-ops
22:26 < nmz787> probably a lot of other stuff I don't remember
22:26 < kanzure> why igem though.
22:27 < kanzure> why not non-biobrick stuff
22:27 < bbrittain> biobrick is a good standard
22:27 < kanzure> have you ever used a biobrick
22:27 < bbrittain> yes
22:27 < kanzure> have you ever used a non-biobrick
22:27 < kanzure> like regular old gene stuff
22:27 < bbrittain> yes... but I wouldn't say what I used was standardized
22:27 < bbrittain> well yes
22:28 < nmz787> why standardize though? why not just perfect writing arbitrary high-fidelity DNA
22:29 < kanzure> standardization can be useful
22:29 < bbrittain> it's simply standards. there is nothing harmful about that, and there is good in decreasing cognitive load
22:29 < nmz787> I guess from a software perspective
22:30 < nmz787> or engineering
22:30 < nmz787> I mean in the lab
22:30 < bbrittain> more or less how I think of things
22:30 < bbrittain> minimal benefit
22:30 < nmz787> I guess that may be a different module from what you're talking about
22:31 < bbrittain> I understand why you would be anti-igem, it is an orginization that is academia centered
22:31 < bbrittain> and biobricks... I imagine getting them is very had
22:31 < bbrittain> hard*
22:31 < bbrittain> but isn't there a biobricks foundation?
22:32 < kanzure> the biobricks foundation is just drew endy
22:32 < nmz787> can you suppress nerve pulses with something highly temporal? i.e. it can be modulated on-demand
22:32 < nmz787> psh
22:32 < nmz787> no one is really anti-academic
22:32 < nmz787> it's just anti-they-way-it-generall-goes-down
22:33 < nmz787> generally*
22:33 < nmz787> i guess the institution?
22:33 < nmz787> which may be malleable somewhat, but most often seems not
22:34 < bbrittain> like, isn't the point of biobricks to become a standard for synth bio engineering?
22:34 < kanzure> one of my professors was extremely anti-biobrick http://ellingtonlab.org/blog/2012/11/09/on-apologetics/
22:34 < nmz787> I love being a student though, I get papers!
22:34 < bbrittain> it's great
22:35 < nmz787> that's like saying objects or classes or structs are great though. It's old news.
22:35 < nmz787> ZOMG a database!
22:35 < nmz787> at least that's what the media makes of it
22:36 < nmz787> they also don't really have any non-competition purchasing options.
22:36 < bbrittain> kanzure: wait. wat. did you compete that year?
22:37 < kanzure> "Now, these kids, they’re such crazy idealists. If you’re not a liberal when you’re young, you don’t have a heart, and if you’re not a conservative when you’re older, you don’t have a shotgun, amiright? They actually had a slide (which mercifully the judges did not ask to see) in which they thought they rationally set out some reasons for a different standard. It included, in part:"
22:37 < kanzure> "“…unfortunately it was rejected due to multiple illegal restriction sites. Our assembled operon came from a 13 kb segment, a size that will almost invariably contain illegal sites. In smaller constructs, it may be viable to change these sites, but as iGEM projects become more ambitious in size and scope, this becomes less and less feasible. And now, since we have Gibson assembly and other next-gen methods, the traditional assembly ...
22:37 < nmz787> at least they used to not, but I was turned off basically when the costs were several thousands of dollars and the Science college was hella poor compared to all the other RIT colleges... so we were priced out due to lack of grants for it basically.
22:37 < thundara> kanzure: I saw ellington give a talk last year, smart guy
22:37 < kanzure> ... standards have become unnecessary, and mutating away restriction sites has become a waste of time, and we have been thinking about ways to improve it. Is it time for a new standard?”"
22:37 < kanzure> nope
22:37 < kanzure> also scary
22:37 < kanzure> ellington is really fun
22:39 < bbrittain> uhh. soo ellington is anti-standardization?
22:39 < kanzure> no. read the quote?
22:39 < thundara> 22:36:02 < nmz787> I love being a student though, I get papers!
22:39 < kanzure> biobricks is not optimal in various ways
22:39 < thundara> What's the benchmark then? Cures? Other people using your work?
22:40 < bbrittain> I did. it still sounds like he is.
22:40 < bbrittain> like, why submit something wis multiple illegal restriction sites
22:40 < thundara> kanzure: Yeah, I learned other methods last year that had fewer pots / no scares
22:40 < thundara> Scars*
22:40 < bbrittain> isn't part of iGem all about making parts
22:41 < kanzure> doesn't that seem a little stupid?
22:41 < kanzure> "genetic engineering competition, BUT you can only do genetic engineering that is outdated and broken"
22:41 < thundara> But even ignoring dna synthesis, seems like an outdated system that would run into roadblocks on anything large
22:42 < kanzure> bbrittain: i don't think they submitted the 13 kb fragment to the biobricks registry
22:42 < bbrittain> yea, but such is life with standards. you obviously have never had to deal with the IETF :P
22:43 < nmz787> http://schmerzzentrum.ch/newsletter/2006-05/artikel-zu-cord-stimulation/shealy.pdf
22:43 < nmz787> electrical inhibition of pain by stimulation of the dorsal columns
22:44 < bbrittain> I mean, I guess gibson > biobrick assembly. I wonder how they will fix this in iGem
22:44 < kanzure> wasn't there an entire medical profession about that
22:44 < kanzure> something about anesthesiologists
22:45 < nmz787> bbrittain: but the standard you're thinking I think, is determined by the cells, not computer storage methods
22:45 < nmz787> storage/access
22:46 < nmz787> and even those we really are discovering
22:46 < nmz787> a gene is always changing definition
22:47 < nmz787> we don't even know if genes are the wrong way to think about things at a fundamental level
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22:47 < bbrittain> true
22:47 < bbrittain> elaborate further?
22:47 < nmz787> (by 'and even those' I mean the rules of the biosphere)
22:47 < kanzure> methylation
22:47 < nmz787> we aren't talking about storing ascii string units
22:48 < ParahSailin> kanzure: so, you know oxford nanopore and the minIon?
22:48 < nmz787> I tend to think of it like demoscene
22:48 < kanzure> ParahSailin: whatabout
22:48 < bbrittain> ok. that makes sense to me :P
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22:48 < ParahSailin> they are very serious that people dont "mispronounce" it as the english word spelled the same way
22:48 < nmz787> non-local weirdness
22:48 < kanzure> ParahSailin: they are morons
22:48 < nmz787> frameshifting probably/maybe/sometimes
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22:49 < ParahSailin> so much that in their contracts with anyone licensing their tech, that they have a clause specifying how the other parties employees must refer to the machine
22:49 < kanzure> that's cute
22:49 < kanzure> what are the other terms
22:49 < bbrittain> nmz787: well, my understanding is that the whole point of standardization is to minimize that as much as possible, no?
22:50 < bbrittain> ParahSailin: thats horrible
22:50 < ParahSailin> you have to give them microbeads with all the brown ones removeD?
22:51 < kanzure> ParahSailin: we have acquired a ginkgo mole
22:51  * bbrittain hides
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22:51 < kanzure> oops i mean sleeper agent
22:51 < bbrittain> much better
22:51 < ParahSailin> whats gingko
22:51 < kanzure> some bullshit
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22:51 < bbrittain> kanzure--
22:52 < kanzure> tom knight's thing
22:52 < kanzure> jason kelly etc
22:53 < kanzure> bbrittain: i reserve the right to mock anything and anyone
22:53 < bbrittain> kanzure: and I reserve the right to decrement you
22:54 < nmz787> bbrittain: that kind of standardization is physics/chem/biochem moleculez-n'at
22:55 < bbrittain> nmz787: damn I have so much to learn. I've got 2 weeks. at least my CS skills are way better than what they need :P
22:55 < nmz787> if they have you programming it should be fine
22:56 < bbrittain> lol. yes.
22:56 < nmz787>  but remember to have fun if you start pipetting
22:56 < bbrittain> they have robots for that
22:56 < bbrittain> nah, I want to learn that stuff
22:56 < nmz787> or counting cells with a sharpie
22:56 < bbrittain> and cameras for that
22:56 < bbrittain> <- seen 'em
22:56 < nmz787> nah bro, you need to load the .bmp into excel cells
22:57 < ParahSailin> lua is really quite shitty isnt it
22:57 < bbrittain> nah uh. lies.
22:57 < ParahSailin> had to derp around with openresty stuff today
22:57 < bbrittain> if so. I will fix that.
22:57 < bbrittain> nah, the whole reason I'm working there is so they will teach me the wetware stuff. which they said they would
22:58 < bbrittain> but I'm primarily leveraging my bioinformatics background for them
22:58 < bbrittain> and my coding skills
22:58 < ParahSailin> theres nothing to learn in wetware
22:58 < nmz787> cool
22:58 < ParahSailin> just pipette shit
22:58 < nmz787> hahaha
22:58 < nmz787> don't listen to that lie!
22:58 < bbrittain> I've pippeted stuff before...
22:58 < bbrittain> so I'm done?
22:59 < ParahSailin> you might be smarter than a tecan robot, so you're overqualified
22:59 < nmz787> more useful is actually just learning about /everything/ though
22:59 < nmz787> like, everything.
22:59 < thundara> ParahSailin: Intuition about physical systems? (Though that doesn't take 6 years to learn)
22:59 < bbrittain> nmz787: thats the plan
23:00 < bbrittain> regardless of kanzure's opinion: my impression is my coworkers are very smart and can teach me a lot.
23:00 < ParahSailin> bbrittain: you're just on a farm team for illumina
23:01 < bbrittain> elaborate?
23:01 < nmz787> yes they are smart
23:01 < ParahSailin> in sportball there are sometimes minor league teams that are based in third tier cities
23:01 < nmz787> i don't think I read anyone saying otherwise
23:02 < nmz787> or at least I didn't get that message
23:02 < bbrittain> nmz787: kanzure was harshing on ginkgo earlier today :P
23:02 < nmz787> well recently we were harshing on biobricks
23:02 < ParahSailin> that are mainly for training players for real teams, but still make money themselves because sometimes people just want to see a cheap sportball game and dont need to deal with traffic and shit for a major team
23:03 < nmz787> I still didn't see any attacks on intellect
23:03 < bbrittain> nmz787: OH! thats not what I meant
23:03 < thundara> "Small fries"?
23:03 < nmz787> or frys
23:03 < nmz787> like a fish fried
23:03 < nmz787> a small fish
23:04 < bbrittain> nmz787: although they were accused of being elitist :D
23:04 < nmz787> at least that was how I think a felix the cat cartoon portrayed the term
23:04 < bbrittain> ParahSailin: but... why would I work for Illumina?
23:04 < nmz787> oh, well that's part of academic institution at large
23:05 < ParahSailin> because san diego is sunny every day, and illumina has moneys?
23:05 < nmz787> but yeah MIT is cool too
23:05 < nmz787> so it's kind of like teasing a girl you like instead of being nice to her
23:05 < nmz787> I think
23:05 < nmz787> maybe I'm wrong about the other's ideas.
23:05 < bbrittain> ParahSailin: but... thats like saying I'm gonna work at google. I'm not.
23:05 < bbrittain> just as likely
23:05 < nmz787> why not?
23:05  * bbrittain looks surprised
23:06 < nmz787> google is cool too, they suck a lot too.
23:06 < bbrittain> welllllll, because they are actively bad.
23:06 < nmz787> .ud same same but different
23:07 < thundara> Also just not the most interesting place to be, too many smart people minds, not enough smart people problems
23:07 < bbrittain> I'm more impressed with the people that work at FB tbh
23:07 < bbrittain> a lot of the smart google people have left
23:07 < bbrittain> but FB is bad too
23:07 < bbrittain> they try to recruit me harder than google does too
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23:08 < bbrittain> but I'm like "I don't even have a FB", take what you will from that.
23:08 < ParahSailin> you turned down offers at goog and fb to be at ginkgo?
23:09 < bbrittain> nah, recruiters
23:09 < bbrittain> I don't like SV
23:09 < nmz787> google is in OR too
23:09 < bbrittain> so I left
23:09 < nmz787> and many other places
23:09 < bbrittain> plus like... I'm still in school. I don't know what I wanna do
23:09 < nmz787> I think NYC, MD maybe
23:09 < bbrittain> right. but actively evil
23:10 < nmz787> :/
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23:11 < bbrittain> ParahSailin: I also turned down a job offer at mozilla :P
23:11 < bbrittain> that one was an offer
23:11 < nmz787> .d same same but different
23:12 < nmz787> .dict same same but different
23:12 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that command (.d) crashed.
23:12 < nmz787> .urban same same but different
23:12 < thundara> bbrittain: When did you start getting offers? O.o
23:12 < nmz787> oh well http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=same%20same%20but%20different
23:12 < thundara> Out of college / years of work?
23:13 < bbrittain> thundara: well that one was after my internship there. the others were just recruiters. very different. one is awesome, the others are annoying as all hell
23:13 < bbrittain> also, I haven't graduate yet
23:13 < bbrittain> graduated*
23:13 < thundara> Undergrad? grad?
23:14 < bbrittain> undergard
23:14 < bbrittain> grad
23:14 < bbrittain> undergrad* sorry. I hate this keyboard
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23:15 < thundara> If it's ginkgo now, where in the future?
23:15 < bbrittain> no clue
23:15 < bbrittain> I'll see if I like biotech
23:15 < bbrittain> if not... maybe back to mozilla
23:16 < bbrittain> I <3 mozilla
23:16 < thundara> Mmm, that's me too, minus any actual experience in biotech :P
23:16 < bbrittain> well... first school probably
23:17 < bbrittain> nmz787: kinda the same, but very different. mozilla == good for web. google == bad for web
23:17 < nmz787> bbrittain: you should talk to www.deshawresearch.com if you still have time
23:18 < bbrittain> for?
23:18 < nmz787> some real CS type fun
23:19 < bbrittain> I'll look into it
23:19 < nmz787> they actually put the tech in biotech
23:19 < nmz787> or make it
23:20 < bbrittain> affiliated?
23:20 < nmz787> nope
23:20 < nmz787> I looked into them when I was living in NYC, but that was short-lived
23:20 < nmz787> or maybe that was before I moved there
23:20 < bbrittain> well, I'd love to move back to NYC. I lived there for a summer too
23:21 < thundara> nmz787: Are they still making their own supercomputers?
23:21 < nmz787> I guess so, haven't checked up lately
23:21 < bbrittain> wait. what do they MAKE?
23:21 < nmz787> I think they may still be bootstrapping
23:21 < bbrittain> like.. how they have money?
23:21 < bbrittain> oh
23:21 < bbrittain> the world is so weird
23:21 < nmz787> like the silicon is there
23:21 < nmz787> but they are coding and testing
23:22 < nmz787> I assume making APIs and drumming up contracts for problem solving
23:22 < thundara> bbrittain: D.E. Shaw was an early computer guy in trading world
23:22 < nmz787> they may already have their own/other ideas that they have in the work pipeline
23:22 < nmz787> not really sure
23:22 < thundara> Made tons of money with algortihms and shit
23:22 < bbrittain> ahhh
23:23 < nmz787> I didn't even know that much thundara
23:23 < thundara> Last I'd heard, they made their own supercomputer to specially do protein folding / MD stuff
23:23 < thundara> But that was a few years ago
23:23 < bbrittain> and what does thundara do?
23:23 < thundara> Structural bio moving to synbio
23:24 < bbrittain> coool
23:24 < nmz787> coming from programming and some electronics in high school, then into biotech and minor in bioinf at RIT, I like all the hardware and stuff too
23:24 < nmz787> 'full-stack' in a broader sense
23:24 < thundara> Bleh, slow internet + irc proxy == lazy typing
23:24 < nmz787> eww, I got that at the conference a lot
23:24 < thundara> bbrittain: I don't know the synbio world very well though, hence me asking questions here and there all day :)
23:25 < bbrittain> me too!
23:25 < nmz787> but also it seemed like i had to switch between the android keyboards i have installed to get it to go through
23:25 < nmz787> back and forth
23:25 < bbrittain> or at least, that was my plan :P
23:25 < thundara> But I guess that's tangential to the purpose of this channel
23:25 < bbrittain> kinda
23:25 < nmz787> synbio is pretty core to transhumanism
23:26 < nmz787> like, i'd say doudble-digits of some theorhetical pie chart
23:26 < nmz787> double*
23:26 < bbrittain> I would agree with that
23:26 < bbrittain> maybe even as much as 25%
23:26 < nmz787> https://careers.deshawresearch.com/recruit/JoiningDepartment.html
23:27 < bbrittain> but there is a lot of shit we need
23:27 < thundara> bbrittain: I just want to be Crake
23:27 < nmz787> 'a limited number of internships are also available'
23:27 < bbrittain> I know what you mean
23:27 < thundara> I don't even know what transhumanism even is, I just joined this channel because someone mentioned it elsewhere
23:27 < bbrittain> but like... do better
23:27  * bbrittain cracks my knuckles. 
23:27 < bbrittain> there is so much ahead of you
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23:28 < bbrittain> nmz787: maybe I'll hit them up in a year or so
23:28 < bbrittain> I'm locked in for now :P
23:28 < bbrittain> thundara: just read this for starters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
23:29 < thundara> I'm just going to pretend you all are part of MaddAdam
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23:31 < thylacine> thundara: I call this nick then
23:31 < thylacine> I mean. an extinct marsupial dog?!
23:31 < thylacine> can it get better
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23:33 < bbrittain> tbh, I've only ever read the first book
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23:41 < nmz787> thundara: but didn't they release some GMOs without proper safety protocol or something?
23:41  * nmz787 sleeps
23:42 < thundara> nmz787: ?
23:42 < thundara> In the book?
23:44 < bbrittain> thundara: lol yes. that is what he was saying
23:44  * bbrittain also sleeps
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