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00:06 < kyknos_> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v499/n7456/full/nature12323.html
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00:07 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnature12323
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06:08 < kanzure> uhhh "Increased luminosity per week comes from protein engineering the pathways in bacteria. We then test those improvements in plant leaves, which takes about four weeks, before inserting the full DNA in a plant which is the slow part which takes 6 months."
06:14 < archels> hm, point of reference. 370 integrate-and-fire neurons with 11002 conductance-based synapses and short-term plasticity. achieved better than real-time performance on an NVidia GTX 280
06:15 < archels> about a factor 10 faster than a non-optimised parallel CPU implementation
06:15 < archels> Igarashi et al. Neural Networks 24 (2011)
06:17 < archels> kanzure: is the GFP expression heritable in those plants, anyway?
06:19 < kanzure> not gfp i thought
06:21 < chris_99> it's the luciferase or whatnot thing
06:23 < archels> er. apparently I'm not fully awake
06:23 < archels> but is it heritable?
06:24 < chris_99> as in do the offspring plants inherit the glowingness?
06:25 < archels> yes
06:25 < chris_99> yes they do
06:25 < chris_99> i emailed them about that
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06:28 < archels> that is cool. then they should just start a breeding programme
06:28 < archels> "Arabidopsis can complete its entire lifecycle in six weeks."
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06:33 < chris_99> they mention somewhere that after a number of generations it loses the ability to glow somewhere
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06:36 < archels> onoes :(
06:40 < archels> what is the explanation for that?
06:40 < chris_99> yeah on HN the founder says ' Thank you! The seeds are fertile and will retain the glow for a few generations at least (eventually evolution will turn it off due to the metabolic cost on the plant).'
06:41 < archels> does that argument still hold when we demi-god scientists start breeding them for light output?
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06:42 < chris_99> no idea heh
06:44 < kanzure> what do you mean no idea
06:44 < kanzure> he just said it in the quote
06:44 < kanzure> unless his "evolution" explanation is a fucking lie
06:44 < kanzure> like all his other lies
06:45 < chris_99> i mean i don't know how you'd breed them for light output
06:46 < kanzure> measurement
07:24 < kanzure> "Before creating a legal framework for the Bio-Commons, the social relations and assumptions underlying an idea of the Bio-Commons need to be addressed. Opening up the Bio-Commons discussion and introducing democratic decision making will make everybody a stakeholder. To successfully initiate a broader discussion about the underlying principles for the Bio-Commons, a mutually understandable bio-language is needed that adequately describes the ...
07:24 < kanzure> ... biological reality in digital form."
07:24 < kanzure> i hate these people why do they even bother
07:25 < kanzure> if their goal is to make antibiotics they should stick to that, rather than waxing poetic about stakeholder staketheory
07:25 < kanzure> https://github.com/Bio-Commons/Bio-Commons
07:25 < kanzure> they are also pretty dumb for this line: "Citizens proposed a ‘Bio-Commons’ license model to put biological innovation into service to society and at the same time limit the potential misuse of knowledge and material"
07:26 < kanzure> no amount of licensing is going to prevent bad actors from doing bad things, that's a really dumb reason to do licensing
07:26 < kanzure> there are much more legitimate and valid reasons to think about licensing issues
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07:34 < ParahSailin> lol
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07:57 < kanzure> couldn't help myself.. i replied: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/diybio/uq6iEcE-88U
07:59 < kanzure> oh brother... http://dna-bits.com "utilizes the Bitcoin platform to solve problems related to Big Data, HIPAA"
08:00 < eudoxia> DeepLearningCoin when
08:00 < kanzure> justanotheruser: am i going to have to suffer with a lifetime of people misusing blockchain ideas
08:05 < kanzure> "A spinoff of the recent OCNS workshop on the modelling of glia-neuron interactions, we have started a new mailing list. It is intended to share items of interest (new results, papers, events, trainings, jobs...) to the computational glioscience community, i.e. researchers implicated in the modelling and simulation of glial cells at large (astrocytes, microglia, oligodendrocytes, Schwann cells...) and their interactions with neurons. To ...
08:05 < kanzure> ... subscribe, send an email to : sympa@inria.fr with the following Subject: subscribe comput-gliosci your_name"
08:05 < kanzure> cc archels
08:07 < kanzure> rudiger replied: "dear Bryan, thanks for commenting, but it would be nice if you read the paper first before you bring up such arguments."
08:07 < kanzure> yeah because i just spontaneously predicted that his whitepaper would mention maidsafe, and "bryan has read the paper" is a completely unreasonable alternative explanation
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08:08 < kanzure> andytoshi: here is an amusing biologist misappropriating blockchain things https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/diybio/uq6iEcE-88U
08:08 < andytoshi> ooh, i haven't seen a biologiest beforle
08:10 < andytoshi> o.O lol
08:10 < andytoshi> "It was thought that the blockchain technology could in future comprise the technical infrastructure for the Bio-Commons"  by whom??
08:10 < kanzure> by the author
08:10 < kanzure> there is an attached pdf
08:10 < kanzure> and he talks about maidsafe and other bullshit :(
08:10 < andytoshi> i'm following to the github.. is that it?
08:10 < kanzure> attached on the email
08:11 < kanzure> also, what's the name of the fallacy or attack about "creating so much misinformation that your opponent can't reply fast enough"?
08:12 < andytoshi> can't remember..
08:13 < eudoxia> it's kind of like moving the goalpost
08:13 < kanzure> then it needs a better name
08:13 < kanzure> like "babble attack"
08:14 < andytoshi> my tor node has connected me to google groups in german .. i can read the email but can't figure out how to get to the original msg or the attachment
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08:14 < andytoshi> or how to get to english, for that matter :)
08:14 < kanzure> oh, it looks like he's on moderation for the diybio mailing list, so someone has to approve his original email first
08:15 < kanzure> one sec
08:15 < kanzure> argh biotinkering-berlin@googlegroups.com is members only? fuck them
08:16 < kanzure> arghh this is also 403ing http://diybio.eu/mailman/listinfo/diybio-eu
08:16 < andytoshi> lol, no worries, the "blockchain technology" comment gave me a good idea of what to expect :}
08:17 < kanzure> andytoshi: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/Bio-Commons%20Whitepaper%20-%20%20R%c3%bcdiger%20Trojok%20-%20august%202014.pdf
08:24 < andytoshi> fwiw i think `blockchain` only appears once..
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08:25 < andytoshi> i don't have time today to read the whole thing, sorry
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08:26 < kanzure> shrug, just some entertainment
08:29 < andytoshi> i've got it open, i'll read it when i need a break :)
08:31 < kanzure> aha... gish gallop.
08:31 < kanzure> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
08:32 < andytoshi> ah, excellent, might wanna post that on bitcoin-wizards :P
08:34 < kanzure> done
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08:49 < JayDugger> Good morning.
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08:50 < JayDugger> And yes, you will "have to suffer with a lifetime of people misusing blockchain ideas."
08:51 < JayDugger> Hope your sins were worth it.
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09:34 < kyknos> paperbot, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1095-8312.2008.00967.x/
09:34 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e0a817078c5c3c4c088b7732192a5c8a.txt
09:35 < kanzure> .wik cladistics
09:35 < yoleaux> "Cladistics (from Greek κλάδος, klados, i.e. "branch") is an approach to biological classification in which organisms are grouped together based on whether or not they have one or more shared unique characteristics that come from the group's last common ancestor and are not present in more distant ancestors." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cladistics
09:36 < kyknos> paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14641478
09:36 < kyknos> cladistics is evil :D
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09:38 < kyknos> paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14641478
09:39 < kyknos> paperbot, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1601-5223.2003.01503.x/abstract
09:39 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/96c418617d1807a0bfde4a953beab2fa.txt
09:45 < kanzure> what brand of evil?
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09:48 < justanotheruser> kanzure: blockchains are useful for that because it can be used as a buzzword and attract new users
09:49 < justanotheruser> other than that it's pretty pointless
09:49 < justanotheruser> they should also set up two servers and call them the cloud and utilize that too
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09:57 < justanotheruser> guys I just invented blockchain-cloud based DNA 3d printing
10:05 < bbrittain> holy shit. I'm 95% sure I just walked by Aubrey De Grey on the way to work.
10:05 < bbrittain> the other 5% is a homeless person
10:05 < justanotheruser> bbrittain: are you sure it wasn't just a...
10:05 < bbrittain> but apparently SENS has a foundation out here in MV, so not unlikely.
10:05 < justanotheruser> yeah, beat me to homeless person
10:06 < bbrittain> yea, but I walk by them every day and never have looked at them and gone "that man wants to make me immortal" before
10:11 < bbrittain> turns out SENS is a 5 min walk from my office. I'm gonna say it was him.
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10:14 < catern> if you meet De Grey on the road, kill him
10:14 < bbrittain> what. why.
10:15 < catern> um
10:15 < catern> no reason
10:15 < eudoxia> create sympathy for transhumanists obviously
10:15 < eudoxia> by making it seem like we're an oppressed group that's under attack
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10:15 < catern> the snowclone doesn't make much sense
10:15 < catern> i don't know why it popped into my head
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10:15 < eudoxia> like in Zendegi where SIAI/MIRI/whatever got bombed
10:16 < bbrittain> we are under attack, lack of funding. I think De Grey is our greatest fighter for SENS. :P
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10:28 < nmz787_i> there is probably some reinforcement that needs to be done to make the glowing-ness stable, like some feedback where the nucleus isn't illuminated the cells die (or fail to grow/mature).
10:30 < nmz787_i> maybe using some rhodopsin or phototropism related
10:31 < nmz787_i> not sure if I already posted this here or not: http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/05/microfluidic-paper-sugar-solutions-delay-fluid
10:32 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2013/LC/c3lc50178g#!divAbstract
10:32 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Dissolvable%20fluidic%20time%20delays%20for%20programming%20multi-step%20assays%20in%20instrument-free%20paper%20diagnostics.pdf
10:33 < nmz787_i> also this http://depts.washington.edu/bioe/academic-programs/bioengineering-summer-camp/
10:33 < nmz787_i> 'Tuition is $475, in addition to a mandatory $25 registration fee'
10:33 < nmz787_i> 'What will we do?:
10:33 < nmz787_i> Participate in fun hands-on laboratory activities Take a field trip to the Gates Foundation Visit UW Bioengineering laboratories Interact with UW Bioengineering students and faculty
10:33 < nmz787_i> '
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10:42 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-3-642-68393-0_20
10:42 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c7e7781dd5e468317ca298424b23e881.txt
10:54 < nmz787_i> heh, Nature Methods wants to keep sending me free dead-tree-format journals
10:59 < chris_99> heh
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11:04 < nmz787_i> They've been sending me 3 (!) copies per month and I haven't actually been reading any of the articles
11:05 < chris_99> save the trees maaaan
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11:07 < kanzure> 05:52 < brlcad> first page of all 2014 siggraph technical papers:
11:07 < kanzure> 05:52 < brlcad> http://s2014.siggraph.org/sites/default/files/firstpages.default.pdf
11:09 < kanzure> "Computational Design of Linkage-Based Characters" might be fun
11:11 < ParahSailin> have i ever mentioned how shitty lua is
11:11 < kanzure> "First-person Hyper-lapse videos" is cool
11:11 < chris_99> damn you ParahSailin
11:11 < chris_99> it's great :P
11:11 < chris_99> i really like it
11:11 < ParahSailin> where is string:split
11:11 < kanzure> the only thing going for it is that people know how to bind lua into their projects
11:11 < ParahSailin> fuck you im not going to do string:find and string:sub
11:12 < chris_99> heh
11:12 < kanzure> the lua standard library is not great
11:12 < ParahSailin> only using it because nginx
11:12 < chris_99> i'm building a MapReduce thingyjig in it
11:12 < kanzure> that context is already clear because you said openresty
11:13 < kanzure> "Automatic editing of footage from multiple social cameras"
11:13 < ParahSailin> ok, the standard lib stuff doesnt really bother me so much as the completely worthless repl
11:13 < kanzure> "Interactive manipulation of large-scale crowd animation"
11:13 < kanzure> "Tangible and modular device for character articulation"
11:14 < chris_99> is there a "Stereotype people based on their facial features" the NSA would love that
11:14 < ParahSailin> > 1 == 1 "stdin:1: unexpected symbol near '1'"
11:14 < ParahSailin> diaf
11:14 < kanzure> not sure how the magic in "Robust and Accurate Skeletal Rigging from Mesh Sequences" works
11:14 < ParahSailin> wtf worthless repl
11:14 < ParahSailin> is that even advertised as a repl?
11:14 < kanzure> "Pixie Dust: Graphics Generated by Levitated and Animated Objects in
11:14 < kanzure> Computational Acoustic-Potential Field"
11:15 < kanzure> this one seems to claim they can do acoustic manipulation of colored particles to make a visual display?
11:15 < kanzure> how do they select the colors
11:15 < ParahSailin> only way to test my shit is doing everything online and using ngx.log shit and hoping the types work out
11:15 < chris_99> have you seen the 3D ultrasound floaty object thingy kanzure
11:16 < kanzure> i have seen many
11:16 < kanzure> "Spin-It: Optimizing Moment of Inertia for Spinnable Objects" why is this siggraph?
11:16 < chris_99> aha
11:18 < kanzure> " Specifically, given an input 3D shape, the
11:18 < kanzure> goal of our analysis is to predict a corresponding human pose"
11:18 < kanzure> from "Shape2Pose: Human-Centric Shape Analysis"
11:21 < kanzure> "Darkroom: Compiling High-Level Image Processing Code into Hardware Pipelines"
11:22 < kanzure> this one is a little strange, "Active Volumetric Musculoskeletal Systems" i guess they are taking MRI images and making muscle mesh models and then simulate flexing because ??
11:23 < kanzure> welp that's all
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11:31 < ParahSailin> cfo: "i found some books in the conference room, something to do with server" parah: "books?" cfo: "says western digital enterprise storage" parah: "hard drives?" cfo: "yeah"
11:32 < pasky_> http://www.oneweirdkerneltrick.com/catbasis.pdf
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11:34 < kanzure> i admire the brevity of section 1
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12:03 < heath> kanzure: IM please
12:05 < drazak> kanzure: still into nootropics?
12:08 < kanzure> heath: alright
12:08 < kanzure> drazak: what about it
12:08 < drazak> I'm still a pussy but l-theanine is pretty good so far
12:08 < drazak> I should say L-theanine but w/e
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13:11 < kanzure> a survey of remote automotive attack surfaces http://illmatics.com/remote%20attack%20surfaces.pdf
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13:29 < nmz787_i> chris_99: at the conference I heard someone mention gate profiling (how someone's walking style looks)
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13:29 < nmz787_i> apparently it is a pretty good metric
13:29 < chris_99> i think that's actually gait iirc
13:29 < chris_99> yeah i've heard of that before it sounds interesting
13:30 < kanzure> jokes on them, i have a third leg
13:30 < chris_99> lol
13:30 < nmz787_i> ah, yeah prob
13:30 < nmz787_i> kanzure: that would certainly be unique!
13:31 < chris_99> do the defcon talks get put up quickly?
13:34 < nmz787_i> i've got no idea
13:34 < nmz787_i> they gave us 3 week old slides on CD-ROM
13:34 < nmz787_i> I presume the slides will also be up somewhere later
13:36 < chris_99> aha cool
13:39 < nmz787_i> there was a talk on weaponizing your pet
13:39 < nmz787_i> aka cat with a wifi sniffer collar
13:40 < chris_99> heh i heard of that one on the news
13:42 < ParahSailin> chris_99: you are lua fanboi, give me function that does equivalent md5 crypt hash to php
13:43 < ParahSailin> i know i know, but its called interop :\
13:44 < chris_99> i don't think i've used md5 sorry in lua, looks like theres a number of libs though
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13:47 < heath> neat: https://github.com/nviennot/tmate
13:47 < heath> terminal sharing
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13:48 < ParahSailin> huh thats cool
13:49 < kanzure> i know that guy
13:50 < kanzure> from back when i was regularly scraping google play and the ios store
13:51 < kanzure> i think he made this giant physical vapor deposition chamber thing
13:51 < kanzure> can't remember why
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13:56 < ParahSailin> i guess ill just have to port this shit http://www.sabren.net/code/python/crypt/md5crypt.py
13:57 < superkuh> Huh. I would've through that low field magnetic brain stimulation would have less beefy electronics. It turns out LFMS still uses >3 kA current. And not just pulsed but continuous and modulated. No way to implement that cheaply.
13:58 < superkuh> s/through/thought/
13:58 < kanzure> what sort of cost range is it
13:58 < superkuh> I'd estimate >$10k at least.
13:59 < superkuh> It's basically just half an MRI machine.
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14:47 < kanzure> slashdot misunderstanding stenography http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/08/12/1812250/type-225-words-per-minute-with-a-stenographic-keyboard-video
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15:21 < chris_99> nmz787_i, would you possibly be able to give me a copy of that PCI-E USB thingy
15:22 < chris_99> the slides i mean
15:27 < chris_99> ohhh it seems it's thunderbolt
15:30  * chris_99 :(
15:37 < nmz787_i> chris_99: yep thunderbolt is pci-e
15:37 < nmz787_i> pcmcia is too
15:38 < nmz787_i> I have to go home to do that though
15:38 < chris_99> which isn't usb tho
15:38 < nmz787_i> ?
15:38 < nmz787_i> I keep saying the crux was a USB to PCIE bridge IC
15:38 < chris_99> yesterday you said it was a usb dma attack i thought
15:38 < nmz787_i> yes a pci-e attack orchestrated via USB
15:38 < chris_99> via thunderbolt
15:38 < nmz787_i> using PyUSB or something
15:39 < chris_99> which isn't usb
15:39 < nmz787_i> that was what they used for a demo
15:39 < nmz787_i> no, the whole point is pci-e packets crafted via USB
15:39 < nmz787_i> thunderbolt was simply the connector they chose
15:39 < chris_99> i just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvnvOXXAxaI and they make it sound like it's thunderbolt
15:39 < nmz787_i> since all sorts of people have that
15:39 < chris_99> i'm 99% sure it wouldn't work on usb
15:39 < chris_99> now
15:39 < nmz787_i> ?
15:39 < nmz787_i> it is pci-e
15:39 < nmz787_i> .
15:40 < nmz787_i> you interface with pci-e using USB
15:40 < chris_99> it's thunderbolt ---> pci-e
15:40 < nmz787_i> ?
15:40 < nmz787_i> thunderbolt simply has pci-e pins
15:40 < nmz787_i> it is a connector
15:40 < nmz787_i> like I said, you could swap the connector to pcmcia
15:40 < chris_99> and pci-e gives you DMA access, via thunderbolt as thunderbolt is more or less a PCI-E type protocol apparently
15:40 < chris_99> that allows DMA
15:41 < nmz787_i> http://pinoutsguide.com/SerialPorts/apple_thunderbolt_pinout.shtml
15:41 < nmz787_i> "Thunderbolt controllers multiplex one or more individual data lanes from connected PCIe and DisplayPort devices for transmission via one duplex Thunderbolt lane, then de-multiplex them for consumption by PCIe and DisplayPort devices on the other end."
15:41 < chris_99> this guy gave the same kind of talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FoVmBOdbhg
15:41 < chris_99> earlier this year
15:41 < nmz787_i> .title
15:41 < yoleaux> SyScan'14 Singapore: Thunderbolts And Lightning Very Very Frightening By Snare And Rzn
15:42 < nmz787_i> well as I keep saying the point was that it was crafted via USB
15:42 < chris_99> he said it's exactly the same thing
15:42 < chris_99> the USB is a misnomer
15:42 < chris_99> here
15:42 < nmz787_i> not really
15:42 < chris_99> that's not what permits the attack
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15:42 < chris_99> you can't do it via straight USB
15:42 < nmz787_i> pci-e permits the attack
15:42 < chris_99> only thunderbolt
15:42 < nmz787_i> no
15:42 < chris_99> no
15:42 < nmz787_i> that is wroing
15:42 < chris_99> no it's not
15:42 < chris_99> thunderbolt is what permits the attack
15:42 < nmz787_i> you could also use the pci-e to USB card
15:42 < chris_99> nope
15:42 < nmz787_i> i know the dude
15:43 < nmz787_i> :/
15:43 < nmz787_i> he lives 15 mins away
15:43 < nmz787_i> I see him every so often, he told me about this months ago
15:43 < nmz787_i> he was selling pci-e to USB cards
15:43 < chris_99> you can't do USB ------------> grab memory from USB
15:43 < nmz787_i> I sent the link to the plx website yesterday
15:43 < nmz787_i> no
15:43 < chris_99> you can do DMA attacks with PCI-E
15:43 < nmz787_i> it is a pci-e attack
15:43 < nmz787_i> orchestrated via USB
15:44 < chris_99> sorry maybe you don't get what i mean, i mean it's impossible to do DMA attacks via USB
15:44 < chris_99> you can do DMA attacks via thunderbolt, PCI-E
15:44 < nmz787_i> you connect a USB cable to your laptop, craft a pci-e packet, send it via USB to the bridge IC, which converts the signals to pci-e protocol and levels
15:45 < nmz787_i> if you want something more prevalent, check out the i2c pins on all video connectors, basically
15:45 < nmz787_i> VGA even has them
15:45 < chris_99> ok so imagine a laptop that doesn't have thunderbolt whatsoever, you're saying you can do DMA via USB
15:46 < nmz787_i> there was a demo on UEFI bios malware from a non-admin windows 8 machine, which then allows you to listen on i2c video pins for signals
15:46 < nmz787_i> the guy had a GSM to i2c dongle then
15:46 < nmz787_i> no
15:46 < nmz787_i> in that case you would need pcmcia
15:46 < chris_99> heh
15:46 < chris_99> so it's not a USB attack
15:46 < nmz787_i> if you didn't have that, then firewire
15:47 < nmz787_i> it not that, then idk
15:47 < nmz787_i> no
15:47 < nmz787_i> it is VIA USB
15:47 < nmz787_i> USB to PCIE
15:47 < nmz787_i> that is all
15:47 < nmz787_i> you then need PCIE exposed
15:47 < nmz787_i> you can trick people who have thunderbolt (lots of people)
15:47 < chris_99> i thought yesterday you meant you could attack a std. laptop, without thunderbolt or anything else exposed
15:47 < chris_99> via USB
15:48 < nmz787_i> or if you have other physical acces install a card in the mobo
15:48 < nmz787_i> oh, no, that's why I kept saying PCIE
15:48 < nmz787_i> and mentioned the USB to PCIE bridge
15:48 < chris_99> yeah i thought the bridge was something you attached via USB
15:48 < chris_99> external
15:48 < chris_99> to the machine
15:48 < nmz787_i> they were basically replicating the NSA stuff that was leaked
15:50 < chris_99> i bought an FPGA PCI-E card to essentially play with that kind of attack
15:54 < nmz787_i> cool
15:55 < nmz787_i> the whole point was that the attack was orchestrated through python
15:55 < nmz787_i> using pyusblib or pylibusb
15:55 < nmz787_i> something like that
15:55 < nmz787_i> rather than needing to learn an FPGA
15:55 < chris_99> oh cool
15:55 < chris_99> not heard of that
15:56 < nmz787_i> also laptops commonly have mini-pcie slots under a panel
15:56 < chris_99> yeah i need to see if mine does
15:56 < nmz787_i> likely
15:57 < chris_99> http://int3.cc/products/facedancer21 looks quite fun
15:59 < nmz787_i> yeah talked to those guys
15:59 < nmz787_i> guess they've come here to work to talk about it too
16:00 < nmz787_i> there's also the daisho in development
16:00 < chris_99> what's that
16:00 < nmz787_i> usb3 thingy
16:00 < nmz787_i> usb3 with FPGA
16:00 < nmz787_i> https://github.com/mossmann/daisho
16:01 < nmz787_i> http://ossmann.blogspot.com/2013/05/introducing-daisho.html
16:01 < chris_99> ah interesting
16:01 < chris_99> i guess that uses the cypress fx3 or something?
16:01 < nmz787_i> sergey the one facedancer guy was talking about crashing skype when they presented as a microphone
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16:02 < nmz787_i> the daisho is all FPGA code
16:02 < nmz787_i> I think
16:02 < nmz787_i> pretty sure
16:02 < chris_99> just trying to find a schematic
16:02 < nmz787_i> I remember reading verilog of the USB implementation
16:03 < chris_99> ah hmm
16:03 < nmz787_i> 'We're especially excited to be producing the world's first open source USB 3.0 device core for implementation of SuperSpeed USB with a transceiver IC and FPGA. (The USB 2.0 functions are already working!)'
16:04 < chris_99> it could be something called SERDES that converts the USB stuff to a parallel bitstream for the FPGA
16:04 < nmz787_i> board files are here https://github.com/mossmann/daisho/tree/master/hw/main_board
16:04 < chris_99> although actually i don't think that term applies to USB so i'm probably wrong
16:05 < nmz787_i> nah I think they're just using a PHY chip to convert to ULPI or something
16:05 < nmz787_i> I only want to know about USB though, I don't know too much
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16:06 < chris_99> you might want one of theses :
16:06 < chris_99> sorry 1 tick
16:08 < chris_99> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181156425615?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
16:08 < chris_99> apparently you can shovel data through it at close to usb2 speeds
16:08 < chris_99> i need to grab one
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16:10 < nmz787_i> http://haxpo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/D1T1-The-NSA-Playset.pdf
16:11 < nmz787_i> by mossman
16:11 < nmz787_i> ah
16:11 < nmz787_i> yea
16:11 < nmz787_i> i have one of those fx2lps
16:11 < chris_99> cool
16:11 < nmz787_i> they are cheap Saleae logic clones
16:11 < nmz787_i> or they are sold that way
16:12 < chris_99> mmm i bought 2x of these http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-lot-Free-shipping-New-Arrival-Saleae-Logic16-saleae16-USB-Logic-Analyzer-100M-16CH-best-quality/667671473.html but that has a xilinx fpga in too
16:12 < chris_99> just got it working today
16:12 < chris_99> with Sigrok
16:12 < nmz787_i> ya i've used that with the fx2lp
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16:13 < chris_99> cool
16:13 < nmz787_i> and this https://github.com/securelyfitz/FitzSPA
16:13 < chris_99> ooooooh
16:13 < nmz787_i> (he is the guy who did the usb to pcie thing)
16:13 < chris_99> mm i noticed his nick securelyfitz
16:13 < chris_99> i want to get into playing with glitching etc
16:15 < nmz787_i> yeah he was saying that the xbox glitchers could be a cheap source of tools
16:15 < nmz787_i> i guess they're basically small FPGAs/CPLDs that do a timing glitch attack
16:15 < nmz787_i> idk too much
16:15 < chris_99> yeah it'd make sense
16:16 < chris_99> i loved the demo on the chipsniffer page where he glitches or whatnots an RPi
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17:33 < kanzure> .title http://andybrown.me.uk/wk/2014/06/01/ase/
17:33 < yoleaux> An FPGA sprite graphics accelerator with a 180MHz STM32F429 controller and 640 x 360 LCD
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17:36 < ParahSailin> ok i just had a good experience with lua
17:38 < kanzure> someone call the feds
17:38 < ParahSailin> i just ended up doing that with ffi using the crypt function from unistd.h and -lcrypt
17:38 < ParahSailin> didnt have to do any derping myself
17:38 < kanzure> libffi + lua does not count as derping?
17:39 < ParahSailin> im not sure libffi is involved
17:39 < kanzure> er then which fi
17:39 < kanzure> ffi
17:40 < ParahSailin> i suppose whatever c binding shit the luajit people crapped out?
17:40 < kanzure> okie dokie
17:40 < ParahSailin> um between this and that unafold crap
17:41 < ParahSailin> im feeling empty inside
17:41 < kanzure> wanna go kill some people?
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19:27 < bbrittain> bahaha: https://twitter.com/kaskoen/status/499184263292792832
19:27 < bbrittain> sorry. I'm gonna get a reputation for being that bitter person
19:27 < kanzure> that's the stupidest tweet ever
19:28 < bbrittain> someone took time out of their day to make that graph
19:28 < kanzure> hahaha
19:29 < kanzure> did i mention i'm submitting to ycombinator with my cofounder max? https://www.neatoshop.com/images/product/36/1736/Dapper-Dog-Dog-Tie_6796-l.jpg?v=6796
19:29 < bbrittain> you gonna disrupt shit?
19:30 < bbrittain> WAIT. disrupt the disrupters
19:30 < kanzure> right in the pants
19:34 < kanzure> bbrittain: if you really want to groan, watch everything from andrew hessel on youtube back to back
19:34 < kanzure> also, how goes reading the mailing list archives?
19:35 < bbrittain> I just got back from work. I'm reading a molecular biology textbook instead. :P
19:35 < kanzure> which book
19:35 < bbrittain> Albers
19:35 < bbrittain> Alberts*
19:36 < kanzure> you should consider reading a protocols book next
19:36 < bbrittain> such as?
19:37 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/books/Molecular%20Cloning%20-%20A%20Laboratory%20Manual%20-%20Sambrook%20-%203rd%20edition.djvu
19:38 < bbrittain> gimme a couple of weeks to get through alberts though :P
19:38 < bbrittain> It's a hefty book
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19:49 < nmz787> bbrittain: I recommend Molecular Biology of the Gene by Watson (it was an RIT book but I think it is appropriate cause, uh, Watson of Watson and Crick)
19:50 < nmz787> there's also: lehninger principles of biochemistry
19:51 < bbrittain> alrighty. will read.
19:51 < nmz787> and biochemistry by voet and voet
19:51 < bbrittain> I have two weeks to myself starting friday.
19:51 < kanzure> also this thing (it's prett bad, but you will be able to speak buzzwords to your jerk colleagues) http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/books/Primer%20for%20Synthetic%20Biology.pdf
19:51 < nmz787> that pretty much covers reference material for basic molbio
19:51 < nmz787> molbio/biochem
19:52 < bbrittain> damn. what have I gotten myself into
19:52 < kanzure> decades of misery and broken assas
19:52 < kanzure> assays
19:52 < bbrittain> can I go back to codec engineering now?
19:52 < bbrittain> jk
19:52 < nmz787> hah
19:53 < bbrittain> meh. this can't be much harder than tracing through a FFx stack trace, right?! right?!
19:53  * bbrittain is delusional
19:53 < kanzure> nope, ever since x264 we haven't needed anything else
19:54 < bbrittain> 0_o
19:54 < bbrittain> gtfo
19:54 < kanzure> just put it in a 3gp container
19:55 < nmz787> I actually don't have the Alberts book... The only Albert's I know is Fat Albert (though I know a few Watsons)
19:56 < kanzure> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/books/
19:57 < bbrittain> damn. apparently at some point I downloaded Watson's book
19:57 < nmz787> molbio of the gene isn't there
19:57 < nmz787> though I think I have it
19:57 < bbrittain> mb-of-the-gene-broken.dat
19:58 < bbrittain> I assume that is it nmz787
19:58 < nmz787> u want in your home?
19:58 < nmz787> kanzure:
19:58 < kanzure> in my home?
19:59 < nmz787> yes
19:59 < kanzure> no, i am not interested in dead trees
19:59 < nmz787> ew
20:00 < nmz787> ok
20:04 < kanzure> bbrittain: also read all of this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/
20:05 < nmz787> kanzure: you can move it from my home now then
20:05 < bbrittain> seriously. all of them?
20:05 < nmz787> this alberts pdf has pretty nice photos
20:06 < bbrittain> well, some of these seem a bit unecessary. what if, for now, I'm only interested in the cellular level? limited interest in plants and animals. what can I ignore?
20:07 < bbrittain> more important than what to learn right now, I think is what I can ignore... at least temporarily.
20:07 < nmz787> if you get bored with non-project-based homework then I'd say going by keyword is OK
20:08 < ParahSailin> oh yeah i have lehninger book on my bookshelf
20:08 < nmz787> you'll inevitably run into concepts in papers on glowing cats that you won't recognize, and have to spider out if you want to continue learning about that
20:08 < nmz787> yeah
20:08 < ParahSailin> i knew that not selling my college books was a good idea
20:08 < ParahSailin> now i have decoration
20:08 < nmz787> yup
20:09 < nmz787> they don't crash either
20:09 < nmz787> unless you have fire
20:09 < nmz787> or ink
20:09 < ParahSailin> or earthquake zone
20:09 < nmz787> welll
20:09 < bbrittain> then they crash
20:09 < nmz787> I guess it depends what floor of the house they're on in that case
20:11 < nmz787> really though organic chem is what ties things together
20:11 < nmz787> err
20:11 < nmz787> is a big part of the puzzle
20:11 < nmz787> or is fundamental or something
20:12 < nmz787> or what sort of solidifies the concepts
20:12 < nmz787> it's basically 'how chemical reactions happen for one atom and like 1% other atoms'
20:13 < nmz787> then you know how far you have to go to cover the periodic table
20:14 < bbrittain> I guess I'm gonna have a fun year?
20:14 < bbrittain> wooo
20:15 < bbrittain> my goals for the year include learning this stuff and copious amounts of drinking currently
20:15 < bbrittain> think I'm doing it right
20:15 < kanzure> how about some better goals, like "hijack all the equipment at ginkgo"
20:15 < nmz787> you could be /our/ mole
20:15 < bbrittain> uhhh
20:16 < bbrittain> they have some nice equipment
20:16 < bbrittain> wait. will you guys pay me more than they will?
20:16  * bbrittain is considering being your mole
20:17 < kanzure> only if you accept payment in dogecoin
20:17 < bbrittain> uhhh. no thank you
20:18 < kanzure> not a geneshibe?
20:18 < nmz787> is that supposed to be something about canines?
20:18 < nmz787> money for canines?
20:18 < bbrittain> I would prefer for my salary to be from untraceable-to-a-real-person bitcoin wallets please. #agorism
20:18 < bbrittain> and not to be on a payroll
20:19 < kanzure> that can be arranged
20:19 < bbrittain> seriously. someday I'll find a job that lets me do that. It'll be awesome
20:20 < bbrittain> thats right up there in my mind with someday I'll have an excuse to hop a train
20:22 < kanzure> what?
20:22 < bbrittain> someday I'll have a job which won't force me to pay taxes
20:23 < bbrittain> which is nearly as awesome as untraceable semi-illegal transportation
20:23 < bbrittain> now you guys are realizing I'm crazy. finally. I'll be a great culture fit in bio. /s
20:24 < bbrittain> but actually. I interviewed in a t-shirt. almost everyone else was wearing a button down
20:25 < kanzure> that's lame, they have a dress code haha
20:25 < bbrittain> nah, some guy was wearing a jurrasic park tshirt.
20:25 < bbrittain> it's just how they dress
20:25 < bbrittain> different culture
20:26 < yashgaroth> wtf kind of biotech startup wears button downs
20:27 < nmz787> i like wearing button shirts to work
20:27 < nmz787> sometimes a sportcoat
20:27 < bbrittain> yashgaroth: one full of academics?
20:27 < kanzure> nope, just jerks
20:27 < yashgaroth> that's even less likely to have button downs tbh
20:27 < nmz787> i would wear a sportcoat to teach class when I did
20:27 < kanzure> and nmz787 that's only because you work with a bunch of suits dude
20:28 < kanzure> suits wearing suits, doing suitstuff
20:28 < nmz787> meh
20:28 < bbrittain> whatev. They'll never get me out of a tshirt
20:28 < yashgaroth> I've heard of academics actually not hiring people because they wore a suit to an interview
20:28 < nmz787> it fits cuz they're tailored
20:29 < nmz787> why not look good?
20:29 < bbrittain> tailored suits are awesome
20:29 < bbrittain> protip: if you are ever in asia, buy as much tailored stuff as possible
20:29 < bbrittain> it's dirt cheap
20:29 < nmz787> it offset my huge beard and long hair :P (though I buzzed my beard a few weeks ago)
20:30 < nmz787> I've got some from bangkok and kolatta
20:30 < nmz787> kolkata*
20:31 < nmz787> they actually are probably my best fitting clothes
20:31 < nmz787> i got a bunch of shirts too
20:31 < nmz787> I look like a bum when I'm home
20:31 < nmz787> which is more often than when I go to work
20:33 < nmz787> 'discovering Streptomycin, is honestly hero material.  He's a straight G'
20:33 < kanzure> when he says G he means home doge
20:33 < nmz787> what it is with the canine-ness
20:33 < nmz787> is it all based on making fun of gangsta lingo?
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20:34 < kanzure> .wik dogecoin
20:34 < yoleaux> "Dogecoin (/ˈdoʊʒkɔɪn/ DOHZH-koyn, code: DOGE, symbol: Ð and D) is a cryptocurrency featuring a Shiba Inu from the "Doge" Internet meme on its logo. It was introduced on December 8, 2013." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogecoin
20:39 < bbrittain> did you all do biotech degrees? (even if you didn't finish... kanzure)
20:39 < bbrittain> anyone started from kinda scratch?
20:39 < kanzure> mechanical engineering, but it would have been more sane for me to do computational butt science
20:40 < nmz787> I learned sterile technique in my kitchen at 15
20:40 < nmz787> did CS in high school and some college at night then
20:41 < nmz787> then some internships, then RIT, more internships, etc
20:44 < bbrittain> are there more active people than just the people I've seen talking on here? How many of the people on the DIYbio mailing list actually do something?
20:45 < nmz787> mega is an active person
20:45 < bbrittain> actually, how many people would you estimate are active in DIYbio... like in any real way.
20:45 < nmz787> cathal was, not sure if he's got stuff in the works or on backburner
20:45 < nmz787> with hackerspaces and such around the world
20:46 < nmz787> well
20:46 < nmz787> i'm an academic/professional and I 'diybio'
20:46 < bbrittain> well yea, but how many of them actually have active members? there was talk a few days ago about how biocurious only has a paying members
20:47 < bbrittain> also, is there a better name than diybio? it makes me think of kits and classrooms. *shudder*
20:47 < nmz787> it just is a concatenation of two ideas
20:47 < nmz787> diy and bio
20:47 < nmz787> first-generation farming is diybio to me
20:48 < kanzure> farms are businesses
20:48 < nmz787> magnets in the fingers are to a bunch of ppl, but they tend to call themselves by others names
20:48 < kanzure> bbrittain: there's about 5000 people you can reach through the mailing list (only 3500 subscribers)
20:48 < yashgaroth> "biohacking" was a good term but it's been corrupted by people who do quantified self bullshit
20:48 < kanzure> bbrittain: i would say <30 are doing anything worth talking about
20:48 < nmz787> so you're saying all the years of reading my farmer did before he bought animals was still a biz?
20:48 < kanzure> reading is diybio?
20:49 < nmz787> i was thinking 10-100
20:49  * bbrittain would like to think so. if so, he is a diybio person
20:49 < nmz787> but if there are ppl not talking it could be upwards of maybe 500
20:49 < nmz787> imo
20:49 < bbrittain> damn. 5000 is nothing
20:50 < bbrittain> nmz787: "my farmer"?
20:50 < kanzure> his ohmedoge
20:50 < kanzure> *homedoge
20:51 < nmz787> .wik doge meme
20:51 < yoleaux> "Doge (often pronounced /ˈdoʊdʒ/ DOHJ or /ˈdoʊɡ/ DOHG) is an Internet meme that became popular in 2013. The meme typically consists of a picture of a Shiba Inu dog accompanied by sarcastic multicolored text in Comic Sans MS font in the foreground." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_meme
20:51 < nmz787> :(
20:52 < bbrittain> nmz787: elaborate on your "homedoge"
20:52 < nmz787> i found a farmer on the internet and befriended him
20:53 < nmz787> he uses old-school biotech to produce food
20:53 < kanzure> he means he stalked him
20:53 < nmz787> like some throwback shit
20:53 < bbrittain> interesting
20:53 < bbrittain> more info anywhere?
20:54 < nmz787> hah, there is a doge meme with snoop dogg's face morphed in
20:54 < nmz787> http://www.realmilk.com/real-milk-finder/
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20:54 < nmz787> http://www.eatwild.com/
20:54 < bbrittain> I like raw milk
20:55 < nmz787> specifically i have been eating mostly grass-fed beef/milk for the past few years
20:55 < nmz787> the current cows have forest access though too
20:55 < bbrittain> paleo?
20:55 < nmz787> not really
20:56 < nmz787> i notice bread and grains once I abstained for a few months pretty consistently
20:56 < nmz787> (more than before that I abstained once)
20:56 < nmz787> ugh
20:56 < nmz787> i hope you understand that
20:57 < nmz787> but yeah makes sense to have forest access and variety of plants
20:57 < nmz787> esp with the worm data on smell neurons and expression shifts
20:57 < nmz787> immediately threw me back to when I got sick as a kid and all the heinz ketchup would smell like underarms
20:58 < nmz787> (i pretty much only eat heinz ketchup, that is secret #2)
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21:00 < nmz787> kanzure: what is this Las Vegas entry? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/groups/#index51h2
21:00 < nmz787> I talked to a guy from a hackerspace in LV and he said he didn't know of anyone really doing much sciency stuff
21:01 < nmz787> and that the hackerspace mostly was where people came to use tools then take their stuff home
21:01 < nmz787> not as much community
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21:03 < bbrittain> hmm. sometimes I think farming would be interesting. than I actually think about it
21:04 < nmz787> differnt strokes for diffrent folks
21:05 < bbrittain> like... it takes a lot of physical effort
21:05 < nmz787> it's funny and cool that my farmer buddy used to program on a commodore 64 when he was a kid
21:05 < nmz787> he's keepin it real
21:05 < bbrittain> can I have a farm with a fleet of drones?
21:05 < bbrittain> and GMO plants... but tasty.
21:05 < nmz787> i just went to a talk on that last week
21:06 < nmz787> ag is the biggest projected utilizer of drones
21:06 < bbrittain> and like a co-op house with a bio lab? this isn't sounding so bad
21:06 < bbrittain> too bad there is no money in it
21:06 < bbrittain> most farmers operate in the red
21:06 < nmz787> he'd probably build a room for a microscope
21:07 < bbrittain> with the exception of government grants
21:07 < bbrittain> which bothers me
21:07 < nmz787> that's for corn and feedlot ranchers mostly I think
21:07 < nmz787> corn and soy maybe
21:07 < bbrittain> nah, a lot of local farmers too.
21:07 < bbrittain> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/opinion/sunday/dont-let-your-children-grow-up-to-be-farmers.html?_r=0
21:08 < bbrittain> too many workers imho. - replace them with robots
21:08 < bbrittain> that sounds like an excellent idea
21:08 < bbrittain> :P
21:15 < nmz787> idk this is one dude
21:16 < nmz787> with like occasional help from his wife and friends
21:16 < nmz787> fuck going to the gym when I can just go unload a trailer of hay and stack it in a barn
21:16 < dingo> i once had a guy come to repair my heater, and he saw my C64 and bugged out, he was a C64 coder as a teen
21:17 < dingo> now he does plumbing and heating, hehe
21:19 < nmz787> oh well he doesn't do vegetables
21:19 < nmz787> not now at least
21:19 < nmz787> mainly just animals
21:20 < bbrittain> I think ranching has different profit margins
21:20 < bbrittain> which is good for him
21:20 < nmz787> the cow is sort of in the middle ground between bio and robots
21:20 < bbrittain> I think farming would be a farm better place if there were no subsidies on it actually
21:20 < catern> bbrittain: man, that article is such bullshit
21:21 < catern> "price stabilization"
21:21 < catern> fuck you farmers
21:21 < bbrittain> catern: yes, it is full of it
21:21 < nmz787> and he's got landrace varieties feeding that
21:21 < bbrittain> but it had a couple of interesting tidbits in it
21:21 < catern> >"Others of us rely almost entirely on Department of Agriculture or foundation grants, not retail sales, to generate farm income."
21:21 < nmz787> in that he hasn't actively seeded grass
21:21 < catern> thanks for being so forthright about the fact that your job shouldn't exist anymore
21:22 < bbrittain> ahh well I think that is unfair. the ony reason big ag destroys little companies so readily is because of their heavy subsidies as well
21:22 < bbrittain> it's a subsidy battle
21:22  * bbrittain thinks there should be none
21:22 < dingo> food is mainly about shelf-life now and price efficiency of shipping -- high in sugars and wheat is mostly what a grocery store carries now, they have optimum shelf-life
21:23 < bbrittain> yea... I'll take my meat & veggies please.
21:23 < nmz787> that isn't necessarily the best for health though
21:23 < nmz787> re dingo
21:23 < dingo> of course not, but its best for profits for the sellers
21:24 < dingo> what do they care about your health
21:24 < bbrittain> not if people stop eating it though
21:24 < nmz787> sure
21:24 < bbrittain> well, people just need to be smarter?
21:24 < dingo> hehe
21:24 < nmz787> pretty much
21:24 < bbrittain> thats pretty much what all of my solutions come down to... aka not a solution
21:24 < nmz787> makes sense that it will take a while
21:25 < nmz787> everyone doesn't come in here to hear this
21:25 < nmz787> :P
21:25 < bbrittain> are you advocating preaching? :D
21:25 < nmz787> time is evolution's solution...
21:25 < nmz787> idk why that wouldn't still apply
21:25 < dingo> soylent green is people!!
21:25 < dingo> time is the great decider
21:25 < kanzure> it's *other* people
21:26 < nmz787> pressure and selection of the bulk
21:26 < bbrittain> well in this case it is. I don't eat corn, soy, or wheat.
21:26 < nmz787> if it's bad for health well, either smart prevails or we end up with the movie idiocracy
21:26 < nmz787> nuff said
21:26 < dingo> i like the evolutionary theory that mankind will split into two geneticly distinct forms -- a tall, attractive, intelligence class, and a gnome-like ugly lower-class
21:27 < nmz787> you're a speciesist?
21:27 < dingo> it supports the theory that i'll breed with a tall attractive woman :)
21:27 < kanzure> no he's just a nethack player
21:27 < kanzure> it warps your brain
21:27 < nmz787> dingo: lol
21:27 < nmz787> i meant bbrittain you're a speciesist?
21:28 < bbrittain> nmz787: wait. why?
21:28 < dingo> nethack is a lot like life -- its really hard and then you die
21:28 < bbrittain> nmz787: what did I say?
21:28 < nmz787> < bbrittain> well in this case it is. I don't eat corn, soy, or wheat.
21:28 < nmz787> or do you actively get sick?
21:28 < nmz787> affected
21:29 < nmz787>  / affected
21:29 < dingo> i developed an allergy to wheat and soy (gluten). sometimes i wonder if my body has a higher IQ than my mind
21:29 < bbrittain> yes
21:29 < bbrittain> not the corn
21:29 < bbrittain> thats just me being crazy
21:29 < bbrittain> and not supporting big ag
21:29 < nmz787> do you like lawns more than corn?
21:29 < dingo> my own theory is the introduction of dwarf wheat, which has ~3x more chromosomes was introduced, and being a typical american boy, i was over-exposed and developed an allergy
21:29 < bbrittain> I like pavement
21:29 < nmz787> corn is just the muscle car of lawns.
21:30 < bbrittain> hahaha
21:32 < bbrittain> but nmz787, I am still confused about the speciesist comment.
21:32 < bbrittain> .dict speciesist
21:32 < dingo> irc specialist
21:32 < bbrittain> oh.
21:32 < dingo> i wrote my own irc client
21:32 < nmz787> it's like racism except across species
21:32 < nmz787> but if you are allergic then it doesn't apply I guess
21:33 < nmz787> it was a joke
21:33 < nmz787> or sarcasm
21:33 < bbrittain> oh. my bad. I've been trying to figure out why that was bad :P
21:35 < nmz787> I mainly just tend not to eat things
21:35 < nmz787> it makes sense that we're still young re: industrialization as a speices
21:35 < nmz787> species
21:36 < bbrittain> so... who hear is making it so I can photosynthesize instead?
21:36 < bbrittain> :P
21:36 < nmz787> idk i still don't know how the pyramids were built... so i'm convinced knowing how to survive an apocalypse is prudent
21:37 < nmz787> so thus farming and diy (which really just means being interested and active in learning)
21:37 < bbrittain> nmz787: lemme help you with that: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm
21:37 < nmz787> (and practicing those knowledge in some way)
21:38 < nmz787> bbrittain: but there are tons of theories
21:38 < bbrittain> riiighhtt
21:38 < nmz787> ctrl-f ing for 'proof' doesn't match
21:39 < bbrittain> "Scholars have found evidence that copper chisels were using for quarrying sandstone and limestone"
21:39 < dingo> so the aliense used chisels!
21:40 < nmz787> the last thing i watched said it could have been an geomagnetic laser-type-thing
21:40 < nmz787> re the purpose
21:40 < nmz787> of the pyramids
21:40 < nmz787> :P
21:41 < bbrittain> dammit. I'm gonna build something _REALLY_ weird for future generations just to fuck with them. like an evil version of long now.
21:41 < bbrittain> best part? hopefully I'll be around to see them being confused about it.
21:41 < nmz787> bbrittain: the oiling of the road sounds cool
21:43 < nmz787>  "I usually show the skeptic a picture of 20 of my workers at an archaeological dig site pulling up a two-and-a-half ton granite block." He added, "I know it's possible because I was on the ropes too."
21:43 < nmz787> but googling largest pyramid block weight gives:
21:43 < nmz787> The Tura limestone used for the casing was quarried across the river. The largest granite stones in the pyramid, found in the "King's" chamber, weigh 25 to 80 tonnes and were transported from Aswan, more than 800 km (500 mi) away.
21:43 < bbrittain> pharoah to his people: "We need moar slaves"
21:46 < kanzure> evil long now would just be the anti internet archive, deleting everything
21:46 < kanzure> or a dischordia religion branch about misdating all of your content
21:47 < kanzure> https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Discordianism
21:48 < kanzure> "II - All Discordians have to use the Discordian numbering system. Note that there is absolutely no explanation or tutorial given as to what this numbering system is, thereby making it impossible to obey this commandment."
21:49 < nmz787> idk about impossible
21:49 < kanzure> "Robert Anton Wilson, also known as 'People who actually think this might be true, but don't shout about it'. This makes them the most dangerous breed of all. RAW is regarded to be the king of the discordians, despite having a head size approximating Jupiter. RAW is what all true Discordians aspire to one day reincarnate their sorry asses backward through time into. The last sentence, most likely written by a discordian, is all the evidence ...
21:50 < nmz787> hackers be hackin
21:50 < kanzure> ... you need of the utter gob-smacking fucktardedness of this particular group. "
21:50 < kanzure> i like how robert anton wilson redirects to https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Shit_Nobody_Cares_About
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22:54 < delinquentme> has animez. watching for inspiration
22:54 < delinquentme> http://www.dubzonline.co/from-the-new-world-episode-1-english-dub/
22:54 < delinquentme> FOLLOH ALONG
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