--- Log opened Wed Aug 20 00:00:40 2014 00:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p54B7608C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@p54B7608C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 00:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:09 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:22 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-168-30.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:36 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-168-30.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:21 -!- Jaakko914 [~Jaakko@host81-129-143-146.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:22 -!- Jaakko914 [~Jaakko@host81-129-143-146.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:28 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-168-30.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-168-30.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:01 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:23 < archels> kanzure: I came across this video again, having seen it years before 03:23 < archels> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEYN18d7gHg 03:23 < yoleaux> Nanofactory Movie 03:24 < archels> do people still believe in this approach to nanomanufacture, or are its concepts by now outdated? 03:37 < archels> s/outdated/superseded/ 04:11 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:21 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cshevhrbnyehodgn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:02 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:12 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:13 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:29 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@179.26.175.43] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@179.26.175.43] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:42 -!- pi- [~Ohmu@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust90.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:08 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-168-30.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:26 -!- Burnin8 is now known as Burninate 07:29 < kanzure> archels: there's still lots of people interested in molecular manufacturing 07:29 < kanzure> archels: https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer 07:30 < kanzure> http://www.thingiverse.com/tag:MakerBotMars 07:36 < archels> so things like self-assembly or assembly through biological organisms have not displaced this pick-and-place-type idea. okay, was just curious 07:37 < kanzure> there are some people who have an interest in dna origami and such, sure 07:37 < kanzure> gene_hacker is workin on some sort of chemistry-based metal-organic phase-change molecular approach to molecular nanotech 07:37 < kanzure> *working 07:38 < kanzure> "This argument and explanation is constantly coming up on the subreddit askscience. I don't violently oppose it as much as some do, since I think it's somewhat helpful, but I would like to say that my preferred interpretation is that a `photon' isn't really a well defined object when inside strongly-coupled materials. For example, can you really sensibly talk about a freely propagating radio wave when its still within a quarter wavelength of ... 07:38 < kanzure> ... an antenna? When atoms are spaced tenths of a nanometre apart and visible light has a wavelength of hundreds of nanometres it seems a bit silly to talk about it propagating freely in a material." 07:38 < kanzure> "When you go through quantum field theory, photons are defined in terms of freely propagating particles, not interacting with other fields. When the disturbance in the EM field propagates into, e.g. a dielectric material, and strongly couples to various nuclear and electronic excitations, it is better described in terms of a massive quasiparticle, the polariton, which is a hybrid of the photon, phonon and electron fields and, being massive, ... 07:38 < kanzure> ... propagates at less than c. You can, of course, describe it in terms of perturbations to the free photon corresponding to various types of virtual absorption and re-emission, but it's a bit misleading to think of it being physically absorbed and re-emitted with little stopovers. If anything, the classical model of a continuously interacting medium interacting with the EM wave creating a coherent response wave which interferes with and ... 07:38 < kanzure> ... appears to slow down the EM wave is more instructive." 07:38 -!- sandeep [~sandeep@117.254.221.166] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:51 -!- sandeep [~sandeep@117.254.221.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:52 < dingo_> 05:05 < firelynx> hey guys, in case you know any pythoneers who could consider working in Berlin, hand them this link http://goo.gl/3ILCqV 07:52 < dingo_> 07:21 < firelynx> ask them to contact me directly on mikael.baath@digitalperformance.de 07:56 -!- chido [chidori@pasky.or.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 < kanzure> chido is back? 08:02 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [] 08:02 < chido> kanzure: temporarily 08:06 < chido> kanzure: nice input on the biocommons thing 08:08 < kanzure> i was totes ignored :( 08:09 < kanzure> "Please submit criticism in the form of glowing praise" 08:10 < chido> I noticed, that was very disappointing 08:11 < kanzure> i should respond with trollface 08:17 -!- chido [chidori@pasky.or.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:28 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:47 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 < heath> http://www.isis.vanderbilt.edu/sites/default/files/u352/META_poster_48x36_Clean.pdf 08:56 < heath> metamorph is working on tooling for project ara hardware designers 08:56 < heath> https://github.com/adamnagel/webgme-cyphy 08:56 < heath> https://github.com/webgme/webgme 08:57 < heath> http://webgme.org/ 08:57 < heath> stuff they are building their platform with 08:57 < heath> the software is supposed to be open source at some point, that was in the contract signed with google 08:59 < kanzure> heath: i can't tell if you're mentioning META because i topicdropped it yesterday or because you ran into it randomly 08:59 < heath> http://dhondt.de/ 08:59 < heath> they are using that as well 09:00 < heath> i'm mentioning it because they are wanting to talk with me about working with them, i ran into the ceo||cto at a microcontroller meetup 09:01 < kanzure> of isis? 09:03 < kanzure> win 3 09:03 < kanzure> joidfjaoi 09:03 < heath> unfortunately they are depending on the autorouter from eaglecad 09:03 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-icwkguhkuxxmocbw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 < kanzure> check pm 09:11 < heath> metamorph, re:"of isis?" 09:11 < kanzure> 08:55 < heath> http://www.isis.vanderbilt.edu/sites/default/files/u352/META_poster_48x36_Clean.pdf 09:11 < kanzure> isis.vanderbilt.edu 09:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 < heath> right, isis was granted money through metamorph to work on project ara, i'm talking with metamorph though 09:17 < kanzure> v. interesting 09:17 < kanzure> thank you, informant, you shall be rewarded in the nexterlife 09:17 < heath> :) 09:17 < kanzure> "fuck that, what about this life" 09:25 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Quit: .] 09:29 < heath> fear of dark - spectronosis http://fodxm.co.uk/fod_10%20SPECTRONOSIS.mp3 09:31 -!- nmz787_i1 [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-xxrovxgsoraahfgg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-icwkguhkuxxmocbw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37 < kanzure> elliptic curve stuff http://curvecp.org/ http://dnscurve.org/ 09:37 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:51 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: these may interest you, I haven't looked but I presume if these are up, others are too http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/defcon-wireless-village-2014/mainlist 10:02 < chris_99> ooh cheers 10:03 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: couldn't find the whole talk, but here's that USBto-DMA bridge thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvnvOXXAxaI 10:03 < nmz787_i1> (a demo) 10:04 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:08 < nmz787_i1> oh yeah, and Parallax open-sourced the Propeller during defcon https://www.parallax.com/microcontrollers/propeller-1-open-source 10:08 < nmz787_i1> "The Propeller 1 (P8X32A) is now a 100% open multicore microcontroller, including all of the hardware and tools: Verilog code, Spin interpreter, PropellerIDE and SimpleIDE programming tools, and compilers. The Propeller 1 may be the most open chip in its class." 10:11 < chris_99> yeah i've seen that one 10:11 < chris_99> i'm planning to buy a new FPGA probably so may try it out 10:14 < kanzure> ON_BrepTrim &trim = brep->NewSingularTrim(brep->m_V[i], .... 10:14 < kanzure> argh this jerk 10:15 < kanzure> "i" was set to brep->m_V.Count() just a few lines earlier 10:15 < kanzure> don't be this guy 10:18 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: I've got the DE0-nano so I might give it a shot... not soon though 10:50 < chris_99> neat 10:50 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: ugh, crap, the video for hackaday is due today/tonight (already past?) and I was planning on going hiking after work 10:51 < nmz787_i1> :/ I guess that means I'm out 10:51 < chris_99> its due tommorow morn 10:51 < chris_99> i think 10:51 < nmz787_i1> hrmm 10:51 < nmz787_i1> sweaty and exhausted at 10:30 PM, sounds perfect to make a video! 10:52 < chris_99> heh 10:58 < kanzure> ycombinator is making some pretty wacky picks these days 10:58 < kanzure> bbrittain: they picked filecoin 11:11 < kanzure> "aluminium smelting industry is conusming 3% of world's total electric power, at a cost of something like 30 billion dollars/year" 11:25 < archels> just short of bitcoin mining 11:25 < kanzure> that's only 0.02% 11:26 < archels> yeah I was being sarcastic 11:26 < ParahSailin> hm lets use aluminum as currency 11:42 < nmz787_i1> used to be super-expensive, that's why the washington monument is topped with it 11:47 -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn 11:48 < kanzure> no i really meant phone actually 11:48 < kanzure> it's a weird one 11:58 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.uilabs.org/announcement/AVM_PR_061214.pdf 12:32 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:34 < kanzure> fenn: http://opensource.org/osd (section 1) 12:38 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-89-155-211.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-83-108-220.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:43 -!- realzies [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45 < nmz787_i1> kanzure: why does that page use Flash? 12:45 < kanzure> because of blood diamonds, i assume 12:46 < nmz787_i1> unless Internet Explorer just reports incorrectly 12:46 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:47 -!- Guest2171 [~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:54 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:58 < nmz787_i1> 'Raskolnikov philabuster deoxymonohydroxanate' 13:05 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- comma8 [comma8@gateway/shell/yourbnc/x-rbwelggerzfacdyt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:47 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Robotics 13:47 < yoleaux> 25 Jun 2014 21:43Z fenn: "So in 1971, when Harry Collins studied the spread of a technology called the TEA laser, he discovered that the only scientists who succeeded in copying it were those who had visited laboratories where TEA lasers were already up and running: “no-one to whom I have spoken has succeeded in building a TEA laser using written sources (including blueprints and written reports) as the sole source of … 13:47 < yoleaux> information.” 13:47 < yoleaux> 25 Jun 2014 21:43Z fenn: nevermind 14:02 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberdade_class_underwater_gliders 14:09 < nmz787_i1> "Wall grew up in south Los Angeles and then Bremerton, Washington, before starting higher education at Seattle Pacific University in 1976, majoring in chemistry and music and later Pre-med with a hiatus of several years working in the university's computing center before being graduated with a self-styled bachelor's degree in Natural and Artificial Languages" 14:11 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@2001:9b0:10:2104:216:3eff:feb7:f845] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:13 < nmz787_i1> welp I guess he's a biohacker: http://www.wall.org/~larry/cornea.html 14:15 < nmz787_i1> http://strawberryperl.com/ "When I'm on Windows, I use Strawberry Perl -- Larry Wall" 14:22 < fenn> double yuck 14:32 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40 < fenn> http://www.forbes.com/sites/rakeshsharma/2013/10/07/a-ship-a-couple-of-startups-and-the-bay/ 14:41 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:48 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:00 < heath> http://mindrdr.thisplace.com/static/index.html 15:00 < heath> """ MindRDR is an application for Google Glass that uses a mind reader to take and post photos on social networks """ 15:00 < heath> https://github.com/ThisPlace/MindRDR 15:06 -!- [nsh] [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:22 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:26 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:33 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@2001:9b0:10:2104:216:3eff:feb7:f845] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39 < nsh> what's this TEA laser anecdote all about? 15:40 < nsh> alien technology? 15:40 < kanzure> it's a false one 15:40 < kanzure> cluckj fixed me on that 15:40 < nsh> kk 15:40 < kanzure> r superkuh 15:40 < kanzure> *or 15:41 < nsh> doesn't sounds too implausible though 15:43 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44 < kanzure> that's the best kind of wrong 15:54 -!- nmz787_i1 [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-xxrovxgsoraahfgg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:55 < AlterSid> anyone here knows what's up with deepmind these days? do we know a bit more what they are up to? 15:56 < AlterSid> ( http://deepmind.com/ ) 15:57 < AlterSid> it was sold for a gazillion dollars earlier this year to google 15:58 < kanzure> someone on hacker news posted the scoop about that.. wasn't anything to write home about. 16:00 < AlterSid> yeah, it was a big expense on google's side (500M$).. speculation was that it would somehow reinforce their search algos, but not much information has filtered out since 16:03 -!- pi- [~Ohmu@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust90.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 16:05 < kanzure> i thought it was an acquihire 16:07 < AlterSid> I think it was, yes 16:08 < kanzure> also, hi 16:08 < AlterSid> hi! 16:08 < kanzure> fenn: what scaffolding for projects do you tend to prefer? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/scaffolding/ 16:10 < sheena> bbrittain: I have some data from ffprobe on some mp4 files. it includes PAR 32:27, which might be Pixel ASpect Ratio? and which is not square..? 16:10 < sheena> also yuv420p means progressive instead of interlacing frames? maybe? 16:17 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19 < fenn> plastic conduit/PVC pipe (none of the above) 16:26 < kanzure> i wonder if this is functional https://www.etsy.com/listing/184536139/black-cyber-mask-cyber-goth-respirator?ref=sr_gallery_9&ga_search_query=gas+mask&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_min=10&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_view_type=gallery 16:29 < kanzure> also, if darpa's goal is really "the top-level goal of avm is to compress the development timelines for military systems by 5x-10x" it occurs to me that a sane thing to do would be to measure the current bottlenecks in large-scale engineering projects 16:29 < kanzure> and since you don't know the bottlenecks you can safely just measure everything for not much cost 16:30 < kanzure> but this is the "measure everything and things will magically improve" fallacy that quantified self and others succumb to. 16:32 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-gqlcelgmwinswjvw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:37 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:50 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:55 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 < kanzure> fenn: oh the other thing was the nuclear fission batteries thing for handheld consumer electronics 17:12 < kanzure> that's the thing i forgot 17:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@host86-141-91-224.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@host86-141-91-224.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:18 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- CharlieNobody [~CharlieNo@97-85-244-89.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 < kanzure> .title http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/0558.htm 17:58 < yoleaux> Antitrust Guidelines for the Licensing of Intellectual Property 17:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:01 < kanzure> "Another possibility is that agreements that require royalties to be paid beyond the statutory term may enable a licensor to overcome incomplete contracting. Incomplete contracting occurs when imperfect contracting conditions prevent a licensor from negotiating a satisfactory royalty rate that reflects the patent's true value. To resolve this problem, there may be an incentive and ability to require the payment of royalties after the patent ... 18:01 < kanzure> ... expires as a condition of licensing during the patent period, thus allowing a licensor to capture the patent's full value.(23)" 18:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:21 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:30 < nmz787_i> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoUWHfh733Y 18:31 < nmz787_i> .title 18:31 < yoleaux> Dual Core - All The Things [Official] 18:40 < kanzure> nanoengineer phone call heh 18:54 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57 -!- catern [~catern@108.174.58.5] has quit [Quit: Quitting...] 18:57 -!- catern_ is now known as catern 18:59 -!- catern_ [~catern@108.174.58.5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:05 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:07 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:08 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:33 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:52 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cshevhrbnyehodgn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:54 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:35 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:57 < nmz787_i> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjaRf5_edeE 20:58 < nmz787_i> it's a man dancing 21:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:18 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:20 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 21:23 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:24 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 < bbrittain> sheena: square pixels are a lie 21:41 < bbrittain> most of them... aren't T_T 21:43 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:45 < bbrittain> kanzure: what is this about filecoin? 21:47 < bbrittain> ahh 21:47 < bbrittain> I see now 21:47 < bbrittain> weird 21:48 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:48 < kanzure> bbrittain: what are they if not square 21:48 < bbrittain> random stuff gets funded when you have infinite money and don't understand the technology 21:48 < bbrittain> kanzure: rectangles 21:49 < kanzure> yeah i'm just amazed they have like zero due diligence there 21:49 < bbrittain> also see glowing plant 21:49 < bbrittain> I haven't really payed any attention to filecoin... does the tech make sense? and like... how would you monetize that at all? 21:49 < bbrittain> looking at the whitepaper now 21:50 < kanzure> no it does not make sense 21:50 < bbrittain> :( 21:50 < kanzure> i mean, if they want to make a file storage network that's fine, but their cryptocurrency stuff is wrong 21:51 < kanzure> as usual i refer you to gmaxwell's analysis 21:51 < bbrittain> ahh, of course he made one 21:51 < bbrittain> I went to a bitcoin meetup with him. The way everyone fanboyed over him was hilarious. 21:52 < kanzure> 20:51 < gmaxwell> jbenet: well I mean, in the presence of what I described I don't see why such a system has much value at all. Or certantly any differential value against, say, people paying coins to someone who stores data. 21:52 < kanzure> 20:48 < petertodd> jbenet: ^ like I say, this stuff is a lot more doable when you don't try to make what are probably unrealistic promises. Just create some nice software to pay for data by hash and call it a day. 21:52 < kanzure> 20:52 < gmaxwell> (or saying it the other way, ni cut and choose proofs for proof of storing data are fine and useful and someone should make a storage that does itâ<80><94> but there is no reason to build an altcoin out of that except to turn it into an investment scam.) 21:53 < bbrittain> damn. another altcoin hits the dust 21:53 < kanzure> hardly, they took a lot of money 21:53 < kanzure> that's not dust 21:53 < bbrittain> :( 21:53 < kanzure> in fact, gmaxwell is probably an investment signal at this point 21:53 < kanzure> if he thinks it's a bad idea, then get in early 21:53 < bbrittain> haha, but get out fast 21:53 < kanzure> yes 21:53 < bbrittain> shit. I gotta go get stellar then 21:54 < bbrittain> but I don't wanna support something like that 21:54 * bbrittain feels torn 21:54 < kanzure> pretty awful huh 21:55 < bbrittain> wait. this _really_ means I should go get some ethereum 21:55 < bbrittain> which is the most bs of them all 21:55 < kanzure> not quite, being early would have been before their $2 million loan 21:55 < bbrittain> true :/ 21:56 < catern> stellar's supporters are dumb but it's good technology, just as ripple was. a stellar layer over bitcoin would be a good setup 21:56 < catern> (which is what will happen) 21:57 < kanzure> happened within a few hours of its release 21:57 < kanzure> because the bitcoin/ripple exchanges saw that stellar was just ripple with s/ripple/stellar and the same build steps 21:58 < catern> which is what will keep happening, i mean 21:58 < kanzure> so they were already prepared to add it 21:58 < catern> and never stop happening 21:58 < catern> (its_happening.jpg) 21:58 < kanzure> are you asking for a kickban 21:58 < catern> no :( 21:59 < kanzure> hm 21:59 < bbrittain> stellar gives you no benefits. There are systems you can integrate with bitcoin that give you the scalability that stellar gives you coupled with actual benefits to the users 21:59 < kanzure> let's not turn this into a rehash of obvious things 22:00 < bbrittain> sorry. I'm rather anti-stellar 22:00 < kanzure> that's fine 22:00 < kanzure> but i mean, 22:00 < kanzure> i don't think anyone here is pro-stellar 22:00 < kanzure> and i think the vast majority understand the problems with the network design there 22:02 < kanzure> this is what i tell myself 22:04 < bbrittain> thats good, try talking to most people who self-describe themselves as "bitcoin enthusiasts". their favorite thing to do is to hop onto the most recent altcoin craze. it makes me cry 22:05 < bbrittain> but I'm sure you feel the same 22:05 < kanzure> i know someone who after learning about bitcoin was "daytrading" the next day against the dollar 22:05 < kanzure> and i asked him "wtf dude?" 22:05 < kanzure> he really thought he was being super smart 22:05 < kanzure> until i pointed out that he has literally never wanted to daytrade before 22:05 < kanzure> much less daytrade currencies against one another 22:06 < kanzure> but for some reason the moment they are exposed to bitcoin.. the idea hits them. it's the strangest thing. 22:09 < bbrittain> fuck. I hate roost. 22:09 < bbrittain> this is my fault 22:09 < bbrittain> I've been implementing push for firefox 22:09 < bbrittain> :( 22:10 < nmz787_i> you all have never convinced me why cryptocurrency is hplus 22:10 < nmz787_i> my pocket wiped all my data a few days ago 22:10 < bbrittain> nmz787_i: I'm not sure it is. The same sorta people that like h+ generally like cryptocurrency though 22:10 < kanzure> personal empoewrment, blah blah blah 22:11 < kanzure> *empowerment 22:15 < kanzure> maybe not the most convincing argument i've ever given 22:20 < kanzure> fenn: blueseed would probably do better as an expensive tourist attraction 22:28 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:29 < nmz787_i> i like currency that is useful 22:30 < nmz787_i> poor people get diesel, rich folks thorium 22:30 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:30 < kanzure> currency competes with other currencies 22:30 < kanzure> so if there are no benefits then a given currency will probably die out 22:30 < nmz787_i> diesel vs gasoline vs butanol vs ethanol 22:39 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:42 < sheena> bbrittain: if the "recommendation" is for square pixels, is it referring to somethign .. else? 22:43 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:49 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52 < nmz787_i> .wik hemophage 22:52 < yoleaux> "Disambiguation: Hemophage" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemophage 23:09 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-168-30.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:13 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:17 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:32 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Aug 21 00:00:41 2014