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00:16 < nmz787_i> http://vimeo.com/105722725
00:16 < nmz787_i> .title
00:16 < yoleaux> FLIR: The Invisible Made Visible on Vimeo
00:16 < nmz787_i> CO2 cameras
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06:46 < kanzure> qerk
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06:47 < drethelin> why are you making duck noises kanzure
06:52 < kanzure> no idea
06:52 < kanzure> still waking up
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07:04 < kanzure> apt mirror thing (although i'm not sure why this is pretending it didn't exist before?) http://www.aptly.info/doc/why/
07:05 < kanzure> "There are many tools to create a mirror of the Debian package repositories, but many of those tools are able to create partial mirrors (download only specified packages) and most important, there are just several tools that can update mirror at any moment in time and preserve previous mirror states as snapshots."
07:05 < kanzure> "Mirror snapshotting is very important to make sure that all servers are installed from the same snapshot. When tested carefully, mirror could be upgraded to the new snapshot."
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07:39 < kanzure> "My favourite chemical bunkers are the ones with a couple of feet deep gravel on the roof. So if there is an explosion, the resulting fire is smothered I assume.
07:40 < kanzure> "I used to work at a pilot plant that did large scale synthesis of pharmaceuticals. The plant was a concrete structure with each reactor surrounded on three sides by two foot thick concrete walls. The interesting thing was that there was no outside wall to the building, just a woven steel curtain. If something did explode you wanted a path for the debris. On the outside of the building was a curved ramp, like a skateboard half-pipe. That way ...
07:40 < kanzure> ... any explosion would be directed upward rather than outward."
07:40 < kanzure> from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8440486
07:42 < kanzure> nmz787_: so much for that name, http://www.nucleics.com/
07:42 < kanzure> wtf does pics of buildings have to do with dna sequencing
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07:58 < kanzure> hello hypron
07:58 < hypron> hello
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09:50 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: why are these not all on a single chip? http://www.optigen.com/opt9_test.html
09:50 < kanzure> yashgaroth: or you, i guess
09:52 < yashgaroth> probably too much hassle when people are only testing one breed of dog
09:54 < kanzure> these are just snps though?
09:57 < yashgaroth> nonetheless, people don't want to feel like they're paying for something they don't need; also a single test per chip makes QC easier
09:58 < kanzure> i suspect most of these tests were made before bulk testing was common
09:59 < kanzure> like back when everyone and their mom was charging $1000 per line item when testing blood
10:00 < yashgaroth> the quality of the website would indicate that, but then it's a lot easier to update a veterinary test than a human one
10:01 < kanzure> update?
10:01 < yashgaroth> make cheaper/faster/easier thanks to new technology
10:01 < kanzure> why's that?
10:01 < kanzure> why is it easier i mean
10:01 < yashgaroth> when you're testing humans it's often not worth the FDA hassle to make a process better, but who gives a shit if a dog dies
10:01 < kanzure> oh right
10:01 < kanzure> yes
10:01 < yashgaroth> years of validation studies etc
10:02 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY9TJTN3i5w
10:02 < yoleaux> You Can Write Whatever You Want On A Baby...And Here's The Proof. - YouTube
10:05 < kanzure> ParahSailin_: so where's the snp chip for dogs or other stuff. i thought you had that in the pipeline?
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10:11 < kanzure> just received my 1000th bitcoin transaction
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10:31 < JayDugger> Huzzah! I think.
10:32 < chris_99> thats a lotta transactions! been using silk road ;)
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10:47 < ParahSailin_> kanzure: the illumina one?
11:01 < kanzure> i don't care? maybe?
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11:52 < heath> https://imgur.com/a/ofsaH :: "Apply for $35,000 in seed funding, deadline Nov.1st", "Indie.Bio is a startup accelerator which focuses on entrepreneurs building technologies in or around the field of Biotech. It offers seed funding ($35,000), lab space as well as mentorship to help take an idea to a product."
11:53 < kanzure> is this really an actual problem? it sounds fake to me: http://blog.vinfolio.com/2014/10/06/the-future-of-wine-provenance-is-bitcoin/
11:53 < heath> oops :)
11:53 < heath> this: http://indieb.io/
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11:53 < kanzure> second, how would you know that a wine bottle is the one that the cert refers to? it's bullshit..
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11:54 < kanzure> "What happens next is also straight forward.  When the bottle is sold, or given away, the winery as part of that transaction will also give the bitcoin to the new owner."
11:54 < kanzure> yes but that has nothing to do with the wine bottle
11:56 < chris_99> haha
11:56 < heath> http://www.haxlr8r.com/ :: hardware accelerator which opentrons came from
11:56 < chris_99> that sounds very odd
11:56 < kanzure> also their scheme requires using the same private key multiple times for signing. which is silly.
11:57 < chris_99> does anyone else think Spark is a little odd, in that you can get hardware from China that does more or less the same thing for far less
11:59 < drethelin> there are a lot of markets like that
11:59 < drethelin> information is far from perfect unfortunately
12:00 < kanzure> what do you think a price is for, just for fun?
12:00 < kanzure> presumably it communicates some information about the market
12:00 < kanzure> er, the product i mean
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12:14 < drethelin> kanzure, sure it conveys SOME information
12:14 < drethelin> just not enough
12:14 < drethelin> and there are lots of entrenched and not so entrenched marketers who are strongly incentivized to charge whatever they can get idiot customers to pay
12:15 < drethelin> or cosmetic differences that triple the price and so on
12:15 < drethelin> http://www.amazon.com/SE-MT908-Function-Credit-Survival/dp/B000Q06LI4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413054895&sr=8-1&keywords=credit+card+multi+tool first example that comes to mind is these things
12:15 < drethelin> http://www.amazon.com/Function-Tungsten-Military-Emergency-Survival/dp/B00MAY97SU/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1413054895&sr=8-14&keywords=credit+card+multi+tool
12:16 < drethelin> http://www.amazon.com/URgreat-Multi-Function-Survival-Camping-Tool---black/dp/B00JE7ATLK/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1413054950&sr=8-18&keywords=credit+card+multi+tool
12:16 < drethelin> 3 different prices for functionally identical items
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12:16 < drethelin> and this is just WITHIN amazon
12:16 < drethelin> where presumably there's better information and comparisons
12:17 < drethelin> products sold on independent websites or in person have even less pressure to fall to the minimum price
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12:21 < kanzure> sure, there's lots of pricing information asymmetries
12:24 < kanzure> http://www.xconomy.com/san-francisco/2014/10/09/y-combinator-move-over-for-indiebio-a-second-biotech-accelerator/
12:25 < drethelin> what the
12:25 < drethelin> cork
12:25 < drethelin> 120k in seed is a lot less for biotech than it is for software I bet
12:26 < kanzure> yep
12:26 < kanzure> cork is because cathal garvey was there
12:26 < kanzure> "SOS Ventures partner Bill Liao ran a pilot synthetic biology accelerator for six startups in Cork, Ireland, early this year, with outcomes that encouraged him to team with Gupta to found IndieBio"
12:26 < kanzure> cathal convinced bill etc
12:27 < kanzure> cathal probably did it because he wanted money for his company, indiebiotech
12:27 < kanzure> actually it's a little awkward that they are reusing his company name, hm
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12:34 < drethelin> awkward or intentional
12:34 < kanzure> awkward, because it's obvious they stole it from him
12:34 < kanzure> and they are advertising to the demographic that knows him as a friend
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12:53 < kanzure> hazmat suits https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:LAKE&ei=UW05VPj-HKOWiQKFwIGIDQ
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13:04 < heath> which projects came out of SynBioAxlr8r?
13:04 < heath> nmz787_, kanzure
13:04 < kanzure> that disgusting milk one called muufri
13:04 < kanzure> and that dna synthesizer thingy
13:04 < kanzure> check the logs for *uufri
13:05 < kanzure> there is a list
13:05 < heath> hm
13:05 < heath> animal free milk, now animal free cheese
13:05 < heath> cheese coming from counter culture
13:06 < heath> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tmYq2rPHvH2t9TB2N-JbVCZrODpRRJmGB4kVVWdevYE/edit?usp=sharing
13:06  * heath remembers that, but it looks like the decided to take it to a crowd funding site
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13:10 < kanzure> i replied to http://blog.vinfolio.com/2014/10/06/the-future-of-wine-provenance-is-bitcoin/
13:10 < jackybgood> Paperbot http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/2047480614Z.000000000233
13:11 < kanzure> oh, moderation queue nevermind
13:12 < jackybgood> Cool article though
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13:13 < kanzure> no
13:13 < kanzure> it is a wrong article
13:14 < kanzure> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dTtYMn02
13:16 < kanzure> i didn't go into how philosophically boring the concept of "provenance" is, because hopefully someone else can explain why they are wrong about that concept.
13:22 < jackybgood> Any luck on finding the other article, then?
13:23 < kanzure> huh?
13:23 < jackybgood> I had sent a paperbot equest
13:23 < jackybgood> *request
13:23 < kanzure> paperbot was not able to find your paper
13:24 < jackybgood> Oh. It just doesn't give response?
13:24 < kanzure> if you want to fix it you can read the source code here https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
13:33 < kanzure> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/10/signed-malware-is-expensive-oops-for-hp/
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13:39 < kanzure> "Actually, it's my blog's name; my (now-defunct) company's name was Glowbiotics. They did ask, and I gave the go-ahead to use "Indie Bio" as the new name of the accelerator, so it's kosher."
13:40 < kanzure> doh
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14:40 < jackybgood> Paperbot http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v13/n4/full/nmat3890.html
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16:49 < kanzure> "Known for:  Biodynamic pinot noir and chardonnay in Central Otago."
16:49 < kanzure> well, ok.
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17:56 < kanzure> http://www.actavis.dk/dk/products/ParaghurtA07FA01.htm
17:56 < kanzure> "Du kan bruge Paraghurt® til forebyggelse og behandling af diarré, f.eks. i forbindelse med rejser eller diarré opstået under behandling med antibiotika. For yderligere information om produktet benyt venligst de eksterne links i højre side, hvor du bl.a. kan læse produktets indlægsseddel og produktresume."
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17:57 < kanzure> oh it's just lactobacillus
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17:58 < kanzure> .title http://galahad.well.ox.ac.uk/repro/
17:58 < yoleaux> Using knitr and pandoc to create reproducible scientific reports
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18:34 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v14/n2/full/ni.2473.html
18:34 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fni.2473
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19:47 < kanzure> http://www.dtcc.com/~/media/Files/Downloads/WhitePapers/Beyond_the_Horizon_White_Paper_Systemic_Risk.ashx
19:47 < kanzure> http://www.deepcapture.com/the-story-of-deep-capture-part-2/
19:47 < kanzure> https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/overstock-chooses-counterparty-decentralized-stock-exchange-xcp-price-rises/
19:47 < kanzure> just sayin'
19:47 < jrayhawk_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWiZoa-Zr4w "Mood and Anxiety in the Perinatal Patient: The Inflammatory Model — Kelly Brogan, M.D. (AHS14)"
19:50 < kanzure> hah "A notable contribution to the professions of banking and accounting pioneered by the Medici Bank was the improvement of the general ledger system through the development of the double entry system" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medici_Bank
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20:09 < jrayhawk_> http://www.fusor.net/
20:12 < jrayhawk_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppJ5TB2-MUQ
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20:17 < kanzure> .title
20:17 < yoleaux> Jamie Edwards - 13 Yr Old Built A Nuclear Fusion Reactor - Letterman - YouTube
20:18 < kanzure> "The Stellarator was an early attempt at “magnetic confinement” of a fusion reaction – in other words, marshalling titanic external forces in the service of confining a plasma and squeezing ions together.  It sounds reasonable enough, but magnetic confinement was once likened to “trying to contain a scoop of jello with rubber bands.”"
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20:18 < kanzure> "So it came as a surprise to hear that Y Combinator and Mithril Capital Management are investing $1.5 million in Helion Energy, a Redmond, Washingon-based startup that says it has a plan to build a fusion reactor that breaks even on energy input and output, a challenge whose solution has been considered decades away for, well, decades. Helion CEO David Kirtley says that his company can do it in three years…."
20:18 < kanzure> also, upower sounded interesting
20:18 < kanzure> http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/18/yc-backed-upower-is-building-nuclear-batteries/
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21:01 < kanzure> pdf generation stuff https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8443836
21:07 < kanzure> protein folding http://xkcd.com/1430/
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23:58  * justanotheruser wonders how smart paperbot is
23:58 < justanotheruser> paperbot: http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Sins-Software-Security-Programming/dp/0071626751/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413097112&sr=8-1&keywords=0071626751
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