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07:53 < kanzure> proof-of-concept for attacking that drupal 7 vulnerability http://milankragujevic.com/post/66
08:20 < kanzure> huh, 23andme acquired curetogether back in 2012
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10:28 < JayDugger> .wik ecdsa
10:28 < yoleaux> "In cryptography, the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) offers a variant of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) which uses elliptic curve cryptography." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECDSA
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10:36 < kjskjskjs> 17:36 Ignoring JOINS PARTS from ##hplusroadmap
10:36 < chris_99> ?
10:38 < kjskjskjs> (thought it might be useful to anyone else who wasn't already doing it)
10:38 < kanzure> yeah bunch of jerks in here :(
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10:51 < kjskjskjs> oh, I guess I really need JOINS PARTS QUITS?
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11:20 < kanzure> yeah i'm not actually sure why everyone is so noisy in here
11:21 < kanzure> should i just start banning offenders?
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12:06 < nmz787_i1> noisy as in what?
12:06 < nmz787_i1> logging in and out repeatedly?
12:09 < kanzure> parts, joins, quits
12:10 < nmz787_i1> isn't that ISP dependent?
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12:24 < fenn> chirp chirp
12:30 < fenn> one observer's noise is another's signal
12:37 < kanzure> kanzure@raichu:~/local/jotmuch/jotmuch$ ./jot count
12:37 < kanzure> 1598
12:38 < kanzure> things that are worth reading:
12:38 < kanzure> "Practical delegation of computation using multiple servers" http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~benriva/ccs11.pdf
12:38 < kanzure> "VerSum: Verifiable computations over large public logs" http://people.csail.mit.edu/nickolai/papers/vandenhooff-versum.pdf
12:38 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/futurism/Who%20steers%20who%20steers%3f%20A%20note%20on%20identifying%20vulnerable%20moral%20propensities.pdf
12:39 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/incentives/Analysing%20the%20security%20of%20incentive%20schemes%20in%20p2p-based%20file-sharing%20systems.pdf
12:40 < fenn> THE BLOCKCHAIN IS TRUTH! ALWAYS TRUST THE BLOCKCHAIN! HEIL HEIL HEIL
12:40 < kanzure> well not /always/
12:41 < kanzure> it's an anti-replay oracle that has some various failure modes
12:41 < fenn> i'm just quoting the video you linked
12:41 < kanzure> oh, the last uh half of the video is totally wrong
12:42 < fenn> http://youtube.com/watch?v=YIVAluSL9SU&t=2m40s (am i doing that right)
12:43 < kanzure> damn that's before half
12:43 < kanzure> "votes during elections".. so hyped up vote buying. got it.
12:44 < fenn> i'm not really following how one "each unit is individually programmable"
12:44 < kanzure> they are lying/wrong
12:44 < kanzure> transactions have scripts with a variety of opcodes available, like for defining redemption requirements (number of signatures required, which signatures, etc.)
12:52 < kanzure> if you want an only somewhat non-technical thing to watch for a few hours, this is not a total waste of time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM&t=13m10s
12:57 < kanzure> or the transcript version i guess http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/andreas-antonopolous-canada-senate-bitcoin/
12:57 < kanzure> i forgot about that
12:57 < fenn> is it too much to ask why i would want to watch that?
12:58 < kanzure> well it's not every day that you see someone taking on 12 senators successfully
12:58 < kanzure> since there's a transcript there's practically no reason to watch it
12:59 < fenn> oh well he is "THE bitcoin guru"
13:00 < kanzure> they are senators give them a break
13:00 < fenn> the canadian senate bears a strong resemblance to a school board meeting
13:01 < kanzure> probably all committees and boards look exactly the same
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13:02 < fenn> well it's always good to reinforce one's stereotypes
13:02 < fenn> i mean, dump more covariant data into the ol' biological learning algorithm
13:03 < fenn> ok he lost me at "security and decentralization seemed like contrary concepts"
13:08 < fenn> is it true that one can submit a video transcript to youtube and it will auto-sync the transcript to the audio as subtitles?
13:08 < kanzure> dunno, sounds like magic to me
13:09 < kanzure> oh, i didn't actually listen to or watch the "prepared remarks". anybody can write whatever they want ahead of time, that's less interesting.
13:10 < fenn> did you type this or just copypaste it from somewhere?
13:11 < kanzure> there is a
that says "Prepared remarks", those were read from a script
13:11 < kanzure> the other section was question-answer frmat
13:11 < kanzure> skip the prepared, pre-determined speech stuff.
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13:34 < kjskjskjs> you should not ban offenders, I think, kanzure
13:34 < kjskjskjs> although I wonder how many people are here but never read it
13:34 < kjskjskjs> "QUITS" was not the right thing ot ignore
13:35 < kjskjskjs> in irssi anyway
13:38 < fenn> it's totally fair to kick someone for spamming quit/joins
13:41 < kjskjskjs> yeah, but nobody is
13:43 < fenn> agreed
13:46 < kjskjskjs> it's just that there are so many people here that a normal rate of ping timeouts for each one results in a high volume of quits and joins
13:49 < fenn> it's just the internet's way of reminding you that there are a potentially infinite number of lurkers
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13:52 < kanzure> .dearest fenn http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201409/the-last-true-hermit?printable=true
13:54 < kanzure> .dearest fenn nuclear batteries for electronics https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8195223
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14:26 < fenn> wuts dearest
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14:27 < fenn> .help dearest
14:27 < yoleaux> fenn: Sorry, no help is available for dearest.
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14:35 < fenn> .dearest
14:36 < kanzure> well it was something like .tell or .to or something
14:37 < kanzure> .towhomitmayconcern
14:38 < kanzure> it probably doesn't exist
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14:45 < fenn> "The tax system allows me to declare upon honor how to pay taxes, and then impose penalties upon me if I make that decision incorrectly." this is what i hate the most about taxes
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14:49 < kanzure> it's a little weird that he had to explain to the senators how taxes work at all
14:50 < fenn> naw, politicians are basically just actors with a large advisory staff
14:50 < kanzure> "are we going to have to mandate that the tax authority must be paid in bitcoin?"
14:50 < kanzure> er, right, just like you force everyone to pay in shares/stocks/certificates/bonds/gold/houses/cars..
14:51 < fenn> they usually want a check in $national_currency
14:51 < kanzure> exactly.
14:52 < fenn> assume you have two cows..
14:52 < fenn> now start an internet domain name registry!
14:52 < kanzure> 10:00 < sipa> some programmers, when cobfronted with a problem think "i know, i'll use floating point!"; now they have 1.9999997 problems
14:53 < kanzure> s/problems/cows
14:56 < fenn> okay maybe that wasn't common knowledge: http://www.tucows.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_have_two_cows
14:56 < fenn> "see also: spherical cow"
14:57 < kanzure> "These examples were meant to show the limitations of the barter system" they were just not naggy enough
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14:57 < fenn> .ety nag
14:57 < yoleaux> nag (v.): ""annoy by scolding," 1828, originally a dialectal word meaning "to gnaw" (1825), probably ultimately from a Scandinavian source (compare Old Norse gnaga "to complain," literally "to bite, gnaw," dialectal Swedish and Norwegian nagga "to …" — http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=nag
14:59 < kanzure> bitcoin brings out the weirdest people
14:59 < kanzure> the other day in #bitcoin someone was asking how the price is picked
14:59 < kanzure> it's a fair question, but it turns out the person didn't know how /any/ prices come to be at all.
14:59 < kanzure> (not just bitcoin prices)
14:59 < kanzure> so i guess a question about taxes isn't totally unfair
15:00 < fenn> it's the sort of thing that becomes less and less obvious the more you look at it
15:00 < fenn> price setting i mean
15:00 < kanzure> i like how all these banks with isda etc were setting the price of swaps
15:00 < kanzure> with committee names like "the fixing committee"
15:00 < kanzure> "but wait, isn't price fixing illegal?"
15:00 < fenn> is it?
15:01 < fenn> lots of prices are fixed by the government
15:01 < kanzure> hmm http://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/dealings-competitors/price-fixing
15:01 < kanzure> "terms. Generally, the antitrust laws require that each company establish prices and other terms on its own, without agreeing with a competitor. When consumers make choices about what products and services to buy, they expect that the price has been determined freely on the basis of supply and demand, not by an agreement among competitors."
15:02 < fenn> given a spherical consumer...
15:02 < kanzure> "In the United States, price fixing can be prosecuted as a criminal federal offense under section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act.[2]"
15:03 < drazak_> kanzure: fiat currency is very very strange
15:03 < kanzure> ".... Fixing the price of gold, oil, and other financial products will become a criminal offence by the end of the year, the government announced on Thursday as it published a consultation on extending rules already introduced for Libor rigging..."
15:03 < kanzure> hm well i guess the answer is no/hadn't been
15:04 < fenn> huh? why would anyone fix the price of gold
15:04 < fenn> it only makes sense for illiquid commodities
15:05 < fenn> or if there is a small number of sellers
15:05 < kanzure> "The banks -- Britain's Barclays and HSBC, Canada's Scotiabank and Societe Generale of France -- are all members of the Gold Fixing Company and agree the price twice daily. Germany's Deutsche Bank pulled out of the panel earlier this year."
15:05 < kanzure> http://news.yahoo.com/londons-scandal-hit-gold-price-fixing-under-spotlight-043506082.html
15:06 < kanzure> anyway this is some of the fallout of the libor scandal stuff http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425
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15:08 < kanzure> one possible answer is that if it's profitable to fix the price then it will be done
15:09 < fenn> reading that gold article it seems there were basically only 4 sellers of gold (the 4 major banks)
15:09 < kanzure> many contracts and other financial products are tied to that price, though
15:10 < kanzure> (by reference)
15:10 < kanzure> uhm, i shouldn't state that so strongly. just that, this is the reason why it's a concern.
15:10 < kanzure> possibly.
15:10 < kanzure> that's what was happening in libor according to those other articles.
15:12 < fenn> heh by matt taibbi
15:12 < kanzure> known name?
15:13 < fenn> known rabble-rouser
15:14 < kanzure> a trouser wencher, got it
15:15 < fenn> His July 2009 Rolling Stone article "The Great American Bubble Machine" described Goldman Sachs as "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money".[1][11] The expression "Vampire Squids" has come to represent in financial and political media the perception of the financial and investment sector as entities
15:15 < fenn> that "sabotage production" and "sink the economy as they suck the life out of it in the form of rent.
15:16 < kanzure> he should tell them how he really feels about it
15:16 < jrayhawk_> oh yeah, so how'd that submarine thing go, anyway
15:17 < fenn> -_-
15:17 < kanzure> be nice
15:17 < kanzure> i didn't really elaborate on that
15:18 < fenn> it's rapidly approaching winter
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15:42 < heath> tiltbrush for oculus rift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFWw6hGIKmc
15:43 < fenn> wow i had no idea 40% of kenya's GDP was exchanged in cellphone minutes
15:43 < kanzure> mpesa had a huge rapid takeoff
15:44 < kanzure> i get the feeling that people have been trying to make it happen in other countries but haven't been as successful? not sure.
15:45 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa
15:53 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=eec5d7ce fenn: fix typos and obvious transcription errors >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/andreas-antonopolous-canada-senate-bitcoin/
15:57 < fenn> This meeting is concluded. Everyone get out.
16:04 < drethelin> no u
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16:17 < kanzure> he said it the same way at the previous one too http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/412/banc/51608-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=41&Ses=2&comm_id=3
16:17 < kanzure> "This meeting is concluded." (then dead silence)
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17:02 < kanzure> hmm
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17:07 < kanzure> "That's sad. Maybe you should flip this on your head. Go out and touch people. "If I had ebola I would have infected you just now. You should give money at A Day Without Touch to help Doctors Without Borders stop the outbreak.""
17:08 < nmz787_i1> hmm, I wonder if that synthesis group was one that went on to rais e500k
17:08 < kanzure> what was the total number of groups
17:10 < nmz787_i1> no idea
17:10 < kanzure> easy to stalk:
17:10 < nmz787_i1> but we know the muffri wans't one of the 500k raisers (they raised 2m)
17:10 < kanzure> 1) check angel.co 2) check crunchbase 3) check linkedin 4) eliminate the ones that aren't still doing the things that they were doing during the incubator's program's period
17:13 < kanzure> afineur, benthc labs, hyasynthbio, kilobaser, revbio, muufri
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17:55 < kanzure> hi xenmen
17:55 < xenmen> Hiya kanzure
17:56 < kjskjskjs> kanzure: what do you want to eliminate them from?
17:56 < kjskjskjs> hi krazra
17:56 < xenmen> (Come across any interesting automated agriculture news lately?)
17:57 < kjskjskjs> some friends of mine are doing an automated indoor grow controller thing
17:58 < kjskjskjs> a little arduino-based controller for people legally growing their own pot
17:58 < xenmen> a horto domi fork? or all novel
17:59 < kjskjskjs> their own design I think
17:59 < kjskjskjs> certainly their own code
18:00 < kjskjskjs> I wrote an immediate-mode menu system for it because I thought that storing the menu entries in RAM was both verbose/clumsy and a waste of resources
18:00 < xenmen> good on them, automate all the labour
18:00 < kjskjskjs> but they ended up not using it because they already had it working the clumsy way
18:01 < xenmen> they don't plan to touch it up later?
18:02 < kjskjskjs> we'll see
18:02 < xenmen> eh, I guess if the marginal power savings are small enough, they figure they don't need to care
18:02 < xenmen> and if there's other things they're doing then it may be the right approach
18:02 < kjskjskjs> yeah, I don't think they're worried about the Arduino next to the lights
18:02 < xenmen> ^yeah
18:03 < kjskjskjs> I think immediate-mode is probably more flexible on the Arduino
18:03 < kjskjskjs> I thought it was cool to be able to do a many-layer-deep menu system in about ten bytes of RAM
18:03 < xenmen> that... *is* pretty cool
18:05 < kanzure> xentrac are you just talking to yourself
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18:05 < kjskjskjs> you would think, no?
18:06 < kjskjskjs> but no. 'zra' ≠ 'gen'
18:08 < kanzure> re: elimination,
18:08 < kanzure> nmz787's question was about which company received the $500k
18:08 < xenmen_> not everybody is into the demoscene, that may affect their appreciation...
18:08 < kanzure> so i suggested working backwards from known data
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18:08 < kanzure> er, or forwards
18:09 < kjskjskjs> oh, I see
18:09 < xenmen_> I find that ascetic sense tends to coincide with technical sense, as far as code goes
18:10 < kanzure> yes there's lots of creative choice between "makes your eyes bleed" and "makes your eyes really bleed"
18:10 < kjskjskjs> xenmen_: if you're interested, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/weemenumain.cc
18:10 < xenmen_> well, alorithms designed by guys with a taste for fractals tends to be less readable in my experience :P
18:11 < kanzure> single letter variable names, you fail
18:11 < kjskjskjs> heh
18:11 < xenmen_> oh wow
18:11 < xenmen_> well, it's a small file
18:11 < kjskjskjs> I don't know if that was about weemenumain or about fractal guys but it is equally applicable :)
18:11 < xenmen_> so I can appreciate only typing one char for a variable name :P
18:12 < xenmen_> three and a half pages on my screen
18:12 < kjskjskjs> right, that's the user code
18:12 < kjskjskjs> and the terminal interface
18:12 < xenmen_> that's about the safe limit for having single-char local variable names
18:12 < kjskjskjs> the menu system itself is weemenu.h
18:13 < xenmen_> "Wee would like to play"
18:13 < kjskjskjs> I think I was going to go ahead and change one of the interfaces that currently uses templates back to using inheritance
18:13 < xenmen_> hm
18:13 < kanzure> ganked?
18:13 < kjskjskjs> which will increase the memory cost by another six or so bytes
18:14 < kjskjskjs> but would make it easier to use I think
18:14 < xenmen_> my anti-OOPsydaisy alarms are going off
18:14 < xenmen_> but if it works better 8V
18:14 < kjskjskjs> heh
18:14 < xenmen_> it's code that shouldn't need much maintenance anyway :P
18:14 < xenmen_> eh, 6 bytes
18:15 < kjskjskjs> so this code has a very clean separation between the menu maintenance logic, the code defining the menu, and the terminal interface
18:15 < kjskjskjs> and connecting those three parts is currently done at compile-time
18:15 < kjskjskjs> with templates
18:15 < xenmen_> if it's much easier to extend then yeah, might as well, if there's a chance of actually expanding it later
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18:15 < kjskjskjs> but that has two costs
18:16 < kjskjskjs> one is that you have to say if (m.nest("Quit")) { instead of if (nest("Quit")) {
18:16 < kjskjskjs> the other is that you have to say
18:16 < kjskjskjs> weemenu >, 5> menu;
18:16 < kjskjskjs> and if you delete one of those two 5s, or change one of them to a different number, you get an incomprehensible error message
18:17 < xenmen_> "Cross Stream", "You drowned"
18:17 < xenmen_> hm
18:18 < xenmen_> is the total code base all that large?
18:18 < kjskjskjs> no
18:18 < xenmen_> not too much a problem, so long as you keep a warning comment above that line
18:18 < xenmen_> or some convention for pointing out magic lines
18:19 < xenmen_> one magic line versus a pile of spaghetti, not always a bad trade
18:19 < kjskjskjs> in this case it's one magic line versus increasing RAM footprint from I think 9 bytes to I think 16 bytes
18:20 < kjskjskjs> another alternative is that intsead of passing in my_noncurses I could just put the my_noncurses functions into the global namespace
18:20 < kjskjskjs> which is fine as long as you don't have the same program driving more than one display
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18:23 < kanzure> fenn: oh you did an actual transcript
18:24 < kanzure> fenn: so, thank you, but also, andreas emailed me and complained that i shouldn't have bothered because the senate will be publishing their own "official" transcript "soon".
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18:28 < kanzure> .title https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/6396
18:28 < yoleaux> Forward ssh key agent into container · Issue #6396 · docker/docker · GitHub
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18:45 < catern> man, windows support is gonna totally kill docker
18:46 < catern> can you even do windows administration with ssh?
18:47 < kanzure> sure: psexec, smbexec, winexe
18:47 < kanzure> 2/3 of that list is exploits, but *shrug*
18:49 < kanzure> (also it's not ssh, but you'll forgive me)
18:50 < catern> OK, but windows server should just be left alone, out in the cold, to slowly die
18:52 < catern> no-one should use it
18:52 < catern> docker should be linux-only
18:52 < catern> (i guess the BSDs can come along if they like)
18:52 < kanzure> oh also remexec, forgot about that implementation..
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19:33 < kjskjskjs> kill docker? why?
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19:44 < dingo> don't forget wmi
19:45 < dingo> winexe is interesting in that it actually uploads a payload service, a sort of backdoor, via SMB :)
19:45 < dingo> authored by a security company, go figure
19:47 < kjskjskjs> "security" company
19:48 < dingo> ahh maybe im wrong, i must be confusing it with another
19:49 < kanzure> definitely backdoor-like
19:49 < kanzure> dce/rpc is pretty interesting
19:49 < kjskjskjs> "interesting"?
19:49 < kjskjskjs> as a case study of the Fallacies of Distributed Computing?
19:49 < kanzure> well those fallacies have allowed me to upload a backdoor thousands of times
19:49 < kanzure> as dingo well knows
19:50 < kanzure> dingo: how many test migrations do you think we did? just the developers
19:50 < dingo> given a login and password, winexe works from windows 2003 through 2013
19:51 < dingo> all of them
19:51 < dingo> 2013 had issues with the version you used, i helped port a newer version, WAF something
19:51 < kanzure> so fucked up
19:51 < kjskjskjs> so what can we do about that kind of thing?
19:51 < kanzure> i think for <2003 it required no password
19:51 < kjskjskjs> I understand that a lot of cellphones now are running seL4
19:52 < kjskjskjs> as a hypervisor over Linux
19:52 < kanzure> .g sel4
19:52 < yoleaux> http://ssrg.nicta.com/projects/seL4/
19:52 < kanzure> yeah i want my phone to run more virtual machines for me
19:52 < dingo> the L4 variant, microkernel
19:52 < kanzure> there's an arm kvm branch of linux that should be merged into android's kernel eventually
19:52 < kjskjskjs> this keeps you from owning the broadband firmware by rooting the Linux task
19:52 < dingo> i think the problem is the other way around
19:53 < dingo> at least from a customer standpoint
19:53 < kanzure> i've been meaning to get my hands on broadband firmware... i want to poke around.
19:53 < dingo> that my cellphone company can root me, not that i can root the firmware :)
19:53 < kjskjskjs> customers aren't the ones installing seL4 on their phones
19:53 < kjskjskjs> baseband firmware I meant
19:53 < kjskjskjs> yeah, I would really like to be free from malicious baseband firmware
19:53 < dingo> agreed, whichever is opensource first is my next cell
19:53 < kanzure> "radio-related firmware"
19:54 < dingo> until then i'll continue using an iPod with silentcircle out-of-circle access
19:54 < dingo> which is free from baseband
19:54 < kanzure> mozilla had some js about this for their foxphone thing?
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19:54 < kjskjskjs> js?
19:54 < kanzure> javascript
19:55 < dingo> from my google sofar the baseband of firefox OS is closed
19:55 < kanzure> bbrittain: i blame you
19:55 < kjskjskjs> they wrote their own baseband firmware in JS? :)
19:55 < kanzure> that's what i thought i saw, but i guess not...
19:55 < dingo> ahh, competiting arguments that it won't... trying to figure it out
19:56 < dingo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones "All mobile phones have proprietary baseband (GSM module) firmware."
19:56 < kjskjskjs> I think baseband firmware has hard-real-time deadlines to meet, so JS is not suitable
19:57 < kanzure> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/system/gonk/ril_worker.js
19:57 < dingo> its a ceperate CPU and "OS", a RTOS, typically its just forth code
19:57 < kjskjskjs> forth, really?
19:57 < dingo> i think we discovered the carrier IQ was in Forth
19:58 < dingo> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3388127
19:58 < yoleaux> Reverse-engineered CarrierIQ code (Forth) | Hacker News
19:58 < kjskjskjs> oh, the let in here reminds me
19:59 < kjskjskjs> does node do things like array comprehensions yet?
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19:59 < kjskjskjs> I was just thinking that it would be fun to do more stuff in JS
20:00 < kanzure> coffeescript does array comprehensions :P
20:00 < kjskjskjs> of course it does
20:00 < kjskjskjs> implicitly at times
20:00 < kjskjskjs> even when you wish it wouldn't
20:00 < dingo> no final word on the code, but some talk about my biggest feare, that many baseband cpu's have unrestricted access to applicate cpu's memory, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot12/woot12-final24.pdf
20:00 < kanzure> in a file named "woot12"
20:00 < dingo> some better talk in here, http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone
20:00 < dingo> woot is a group
20:01 < kanzure> yoinked
20:01 < kjskjskjs> woot are many things
20:01 < dingo> w00t security or something
20:02 < dingo> oh this particular thing is just the name of the conference
20:02 < dingo> https://www.usenix.org/conference/woot12
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20:05 < dingo> anyway here's a web-accessible mirror of the winexe-waf i compiled recently for win2013 support, https://github.com/opinkerfi/winexe-waf
20:05 < dingo> i'm pulling out of this convo :) ttyl
20:06 < kanzure> seeya
20:09 < kanzure> i should really finish reading http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/VerSum:%20Verifiable%20computations%20over%20large%20public%20logs.pdf
20:10 < kjskjskjs> yeah
20:10 < kjskjskjs> there are so many things to learn right now
20:10 < kjskjskjs> instead I am reading twitter and getting dumped by SMS
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20:50 < superkuh> f you read a paper that claimed they had 4.5 cm diameter 9.8 cm in long 2uF 5kV bipolar(?) *electrolytic* capacitor that could handle 80% voltage reversals in pulse discharge duty and each only cost $10 would you call bullshit? http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1063%2F1.4808309 Could such a thing even exist (ignoring the $10 price for now)?
20:50 < superkuh> +I
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21:57 < kanzure> https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizards/2014-10-17.html
21:57 < kanzure> (more bitcoin stuff)
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23:33 < kanzure> lazyweb throws together toguro videos for me? for free? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmGIvZmthPM&t=27s
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