--- Log opened Mon Oct 20 00:00:20 2014 00:13 -!- hypron [~hypron@p8120-ipngn100105yosemiya.okinawa.ocn.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:25 < archels> hmm, what was that short story again where human lifetimes are limitless, and we follow this one couple trying to make contact with a population at the centre of the Milky Way as their last big thing? 01:13 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24858680 01:13 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.jbiotec.2014.05.005 01:20 -!- QRip [~Mako@2601:3:d80:39:7d0f:7d3d:5a4:67b8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:21 -!- QRip [~Mako@2601:3:d80:39:7d0f:7d3d:5a4:67b8] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 01:24 < bkero> paperbot will get any paper off pubmed? 01:24 < bkero> Fuck yeah! 01:25 < bkero> kanzure: is that like Maddox's gambit? 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Always.] 03:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-canzrfxqzyucchgz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:32 -!- FourFire [4d5847fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.88.71.253] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:39 < FourFire> Has anyone in here seen anything about 3D printed (bipedal) exoskeletons ? 03:51 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@31.7.56.132] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:52 -!- Vutral__ [~ss@31.7.56.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:18 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:25 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:29 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22954616 04:29 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1177%2F0269881112458728 04:33 < ebowden> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741506 04:33 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1097%2FFBP.0b013e328331ba1b 04:35 < ebowden> paperbot: http://journals.lww.com/behaviouralpharm/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2009&issue=10000&article=00014&type=abstract 04:35 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1097%2FFBP.0b013e328331ba1b 04:58 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-160-211.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-160-211.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 05:43 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48 -!- FourFire [4d5847fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.88.71.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:03 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcanqyesiebvzrhm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:49 < JayDugger> archels, been done in Vinge's Marooned in Realtime. 07:15 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-161-251-195.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-161-245-196.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:16 < kanzure> what 07:33 -!- sheena [~home@S01067cb21b221706.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:34 -!- sheena [~home@S01067cb21b221706.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:15 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:21 < JayDugger> archels asked "hmm, what was that short story again where human lifetimes are limitless, and we follow this one couple trying to make contact with a population at the centre of the Milky Way as their last big thing?" 08:22 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 < kanzure> i don't know what i was whating 08:25 < drethelin> clearly you should sleep 08:29 < JayDugger> Sure. First, do you know anyone who wants to work at SpaceX? We've a headhunter sniffing among my co-workers for someone who doesn't mind working 80+ hour weeks on avionics and electronics. 08:30 < JayDugger> Only ex-military need apply. For some reason--probably as a filter for an inability to do arithmetic necessary to figure hours per week from the salary range and hourly wage the headhunter provides. 08:31 < kanzure> rough 08:32 < drethelin> maybe they want people who can keep opsec 08:33 < kanzure> military ain't got a great track record there 08:33 < JayDugger> Perhaps, but I prefer my theory about poor arithmetic skills better. 08:33 < drethelin> depends what you compare it to, presumably 08:33 < drethelin> plenty of military tech has been unknown for years before it gets declassified 08:33 < JayDugger> Nobody has a good track record on that point. You don't hear about the ones that do. 08:34 < kanzure> is this your way of bragging 08:34 < JayDugger> (Yes, yes, biased sample vs. absence of evidence != evidence of absence.) 08:34 < JayDugger> No. 08:34 < kanzure> he means yes :) 08:35 < JayDugger> I'd like to do something nice for the headhunter in case I need them. 08:35 < kanzure> nobody comes to mind 08:35 < JayDugger> Ouch. 08:35 < kanzure> ex-military doesn't tend to intersect these parts 08:35 < kanzure> not much, anyway 08:35 < JayDugger> Both fair points. 08:36 < drethelin> I know a guy in the air force 08:36 < drethelin> but I doubt he's up for hire any time soon 08:38 < JayDugger> Orion International's the headhunting firm. They've been around since 1975, so they might well be around for some time yet. 08:39 < JayDugger> When your acquaintance separates from the service, he or she could do worse than to work with them. 08:48 < fenn> if they want people with hands-on experience with space hardware who aren't from NASA or ULA, that leaves precious little besides ex-military 08:50 < fenn> russians mostly 08:52 -!- d3vz3r0 [~d3vz3r0@jsr.6502.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:57 < fenn> i bet this is where the star wars "pod racer" idea came from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_Pond_Racer 09:06 < fenn> (front side view) http://www.aafo.com/gallery/07-23-01.htm 09:11 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:11 < fenn> pond racer documentary (in german) http://youtube.com/watch?v=66q4awWPArM 09:12 < fenn> hard to believe the damn thing flies 09:13 < archels> what. fuck you 09:13 < archels> that's Dutch, not German 09:13 < fenn> ha sorry 09:14 < fenn> i don't know either 09:19 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:28 < kanzure> .title https://coderwall.com/p/_s_xda 09:28 < yoleaux> Mike Bloy : Fix SSH agent in reattached tmux session shells 09:28 < kanzure> .title https://gist.github.com/martijnvermaat/8070533 09:28 < yoleaux> SSH agent forwarding and screen 09:28 < DonnchaC_> kanzure: Just reading some scrollback, have you seen IPFS? 09:29 < DonnchaC_> http://static.benet.ai/t/ipfs.pdf 09:32 < kanzure> there seems to be no mention of speed of light constraints here 09:32 < kanzure> this smells a little bit like dalrymple/davidad 09:33 < kanzure> argh what's the point of writing any of this up if there are no statements made about how it solves interplanetary problems 09:34 < DonnchaC_> He's really not focusing on the real problems, moving data faster than the speed of light:P 09:35 < kanzure> i'm not claiming that you have to move it faster than that 09:35 < kanzure> but your system does have to be designed to not assume an instantly synchronous network across large time/light delays 09:42 < fenn> delay tolerant networking has plenty of uses here on earth 09:43 < kanzure> sure 09:43 < kanzure> DonnchaC_: so what's the incentive in ipfs to store anything at all? 09:43 < fenn> i dont get why this paper is called "interplanetary" 09:44 < kanzure> it looks like the optimal strategy is to just serve requests by asking another peer first, and then returning the data to whoever asked you 09:45 < kanzure> (instead of storing data locally) 09:45 -!- archels [charl@toad.stack.nl] has quit [Changing host] 09:45 -!- archels [charl@unaffiliated/archels] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 < kanzure> haha davidad jumped ship "He works for Twitter as an engineer as of May, 2014." 09:47 < fenn> :( 09:47 < kanzure> so much for nemaload 09:48 < kanzure> http://blog.davidad.net/post/70566989179/cryptotransactions 09:48 < fenn> a worm's gotta eat 09:53 < archels> hmm sounds interesting https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/7e9afeed38314e8de99a/raw/29270821c743db4a452599d35b36dcdabc90b959/gistfile1.txt 09:53 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:53 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:55 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 < fenn> i'm betting it looks like a dinosaur 09:57 < fenn> rawr 09:57 < fenn> (the brain's feature priorities in visual search) 10:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:04 < kanzure> fenn, i bought a stenography machine (elan cybra) 10:04 < kanzure> turns out their usb protocol is proprietary 10:04 < kanzure> "buy our $5000 software license to proceed" 10:04 < kanzure> i was going to reverse engineer their usb protocol and dump it into plover 10:04 < kanzure> instead i got sidetracked trying to reverse engineer their license serial code stuff 10:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:05 -!- sheena [~home@S01067cb21b221706.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:05 < fenn> protocol would be better anyway 10:05 < fenn> arent those things ridiculously expensive though 10:07 < drethelin> how different is a stenography machine than a regular keyboard? 10:07 < drethelin> and/or how does it compare to a twiddler 10:07 < kanzure> http://stenoknight.com/twotripods.jpg 10:07 < fenn> it's more ergonomic than a twiddler and has less keys than a keyboard 10:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:08 < drethelin> that thing looks like a sinister torture device 10:08 < chris_99> anyone ever used a digital pen on a sort of related topic 10:08 < kanzure> keys are backed by mechanical levers basically 10:08 < fenn> what is a digital pen 10:08 < drethelin> what sort of typing speed are you looking to get out of it? 10:08 < chris_99> sec 10:08 < kanzure> you know, the toy from leapfrog that reads the word you highlight in your ebook 10:08 < drethelin> 150+? 10:08 < chris_99> http://www.wacom.com/en/gb/creative/inkling 10:08 < kanzure> drethelin: well i type 196 wpm on qwerty so i need something like 250-300 wpm to make this worth my time 10:09 < drethelin> oof 10:09 < drethelin> 196 is pretty impressive 10:09 < kanzure> yes well i'm on lots of drugs 10:09 < drethelin> I average around 100 on a laptop 10:09 < drethelin> hehe 10:09 < drethelin> fair enough 10:09 < kanzure> http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure 10:10 < drethelin> impressive 10:10 < fenn> chris_99: apparently they can lose sync slightly and not pick up lots of small cross hatches 10:10 < chris_99> hmm, i only want it for writing 10:10 < fenn> well you're probably fine then 10:10 < drethelin> http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=drethelin 10:10 < kanzure> drethelin: http://typeracer.com/ 10:10 < drethelin> oh I have to import 10:12 < drethelin> 105 just now 10:12 < drethelin> drinking coffee but didn't sleep 10:12 < drethelin> maybe I should take some modafinil and see the effect 10:14 < fenn> piracetam goes better with caffeine fwiw 10:14 < drethelin> yeah but I don't have that on hand 10:15 < drethelin> i might have it somewhere but I'm not sure where 10:15 < fenn> maybe we should research glial cell activation supplements 10:15 < drethelin> I don't regularly use nootropics because I'm an unproductive slob 10:15 < fenn> that doesn't make any sense 10:15 < drethelin> sure it does 10:15 < drethelin> if I'm gonna be spending the day lounging around and internetting what do I need nootropics for? 10:16 < kanzure> uh... 10:17 < fenn> so you're skipping sleep to do a half-assed job of internetting? 10:17 < kanzure> besides the regular things wrong with that statement, what's wrong with using the internet plus nootropis? 10:17 < kanzure> *nootropics 10:17 < drethelin> no I'm skipping sleep because I'm a piece of shit 10:17 < fenn> maybe you think you're a piece of shit because you skip sleep 10:17 < drethelin> kanzure nothing, just the increased benefits are not necesarrily worth the effort involved 10:17 < drethelin> I like internetting on modafinl 10:18 < drethelin> when I was using piracetam I didn't subjectively notice much difference 10:19 < fenn> it primarily affects word recall and reduces caffeine-induced error 10:21 < fenn> most people don't notice any subjective difference, especially without knowing what to look for 10:21 < kanzure> well this is neat https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/tree/master/examples/consul 10:21 < drethelin> that's fair 10:22 < fenn> anyway i suggest reevaluating your logic 10:22 < drethelin> what part do you see the error in? 10:23 < fenn> "no point in trying to improve myself because i'm unproductive" 10:24 < drethelin> insofar as I'm doing things with no measurable output, I can only improve in terms of subjective experience 10:24 < drethelin> so if piracetam has no noticeable difference but makes me make like 10:24 < drethelin> 10 percent fewer typos 10:24 < drethelin> it doesn't seem worth the effort to take the pills 10:25 < fenn> measure something different then 10:26 < drethelin> why? 10:26 < kanzure> are you depressed? 10:26 < drethelin> I don't think so 10:26 < drethelin> just unambitious 10:28 < fenn> i'm not saying piracetam is the answer to all your problems. it sounds like you have low self esteem and motivation and are stuck in an unstimulating environment 10:28 < drethelin> nah I'm pretty great 10:28 < drethelin> I do have pretty low motivation 10:28 < drethelin> but when I say unproductive I'm not using it in an entirely derogatory manner 10:28 < drethelin> eg I view reading fiction books as unproductive 10:29 < drethelin> but I wouldn't call it unstimulating 10:29 < fenn> here's a differential diagnosis technique; drink a can of diet soda (with nutrasweet/aspartame) on an empty stomach and see if you feel more excited about stuff in general 10:29 < drethelin> if I reframe it as living a life of leisure maybe it will be more clear to you 10:29 < drethelin> hmm 10:29 < drethelin> I just had a whole butter coffee 10:30 < drethelin> does sucralose work? 10:30 < drethelin> I have a can of whipcream next to me with sucralose 10:30 < fenn> no. aspartame is converted to dopamine, and other stuff 10:30 < fenn> sucralose is just imitation sugar 10:31 < drethelin> huh, didn't know that 10:32 < fenn> it should take about an hour 10:32 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-qrqwcgqcxvenmmeb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 < drethelin> I might do it later 10:33 < drethelin> I don't want another soda's worth of caffeine right this second 10:33 < fenn> if you are low on sleep it may just make you extremely irritable 10:33 < nmz787_i> kanzure: so I was grepping the logs for freecad, but didn't check the surrounding lines... but it seems you have been using it. Does that mean you were working on the backend (I saw you said you didn't want to support opencascade) 10:34 < nmz787_i> kanzure: what have you been working on for the nurbs intersection stuff? 10:35 < drethelin> I'm definitely low on sleep 10:35 -!- TC [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:39 < fenn> join us next time on IRC MD 10:39 < nmz787_i> kanzure: seen this? .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suv90ahXa5s&feature=plcp 10:39 < nmz787_i> .title 10:39 < yoleaux> Transitioning from NURBS to T-Splines - YouTube 10:45 < archels> T-splines stuff is all closed source/proprietary afaik 10:47 < kanzure> nmz787_i: http://verbnurbs.com/ 10:47 < kanzure> i also have a python implementation called lolcad that i haven't git pushed in a long, long time, but at the moment verbnurbs is more featureful 10:48 < kanzure> if you really /must/ use freecad then the only way worth using is https://github.com/dcowden/cadquery 10:48 < archels> can that do anything that OpenNURBS cannot? 10:49 < kanzure> yes, it has tests 10:49 < archels> or is that just Atwood's law in action 10:49 < archels> what sort of test--intersections? 10:49 < kanzure> every feature is correctly tested 10:49 < kanzure> opennurbs does not distribute tests 10:49 < kanzure> so it makes it rather hard to maintain 10:50 < nmz787_i> is opennurbs in opencascade? 10:50 < kanzure> no 10:50 < kanzure> opennurbs is from the rhino cad people 10:51 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 < kanzure> brlcad uses opennurbs 10:52 < kanzure> but python-brlcad can't expose opennurbs because opennurbs is c++, whereas python-brlcad is only a ctypes-based wrapper (for c parts)... 10:53 < archels> nurbs++ has a subdirectory called 'tests' 10:53 < archels> never really checked it out though 10:53 < nmz787_i> hrmm 10:53 < nmz787_i> so verb doesn't have an interactive curve editor GUI does it? 10:53 < kanzure> no 10:54 < kanzure> that guy is using it on a proprietary cad site he's been working on 10:54 < kanzure> i don't remember the name of his web cad app thingy 10:54 < nmz787_i> I'd want an editor GUI, then I'd need some way to slice the model and convert slices into a beam raster format 10:55 < nmz787_i> python isn't necessary I guess, but that is likely what I would use to convert a slice to a beam raster file 10:56 < kanzure> your gui requirement already radically increases development time and requirements 10:56 < kanzure> you might as well just use freecad and save every 5 seconds (because it crashes a bunch) 10:57 < nmz787_i> kanzure: do any of these do NURBs to surface tesselation? like if you don't give many control points, some kind of iterative/recursive smoothing? 10:57 < kanzure> without your gui requirement i would say the whole thing would be 10-30x easier 10:57 < kanzure> all of them do tessellation for nurbs rendering 10:57 < nmz787_i> but then I'd be left to develop my own GUI 10:58 < nmz787_i> well I guess I want to know if the chunky/blocky examples on verbnurbs.com could be smoothed with something already existing in the NURBS definition/implementation 10:58 < nmz787_i> 'calculateMoreSmoothness' 10:58 < nmz787_i> or something 11:00 < nmz787_i> kanzure: also without the GUI, wouldn't I have to tweak some NURBS values, display, tweak then display, tweak then display... so isn't that basically a GUI? 11:03 < kanzure> who knows, i'm not prepared to guess what your expectations are 11:04 < nmz787_i> what would you propose for non-gui model development? 11:08 < kanzure> cadquery is pretty nice, but it fails when you use numbers between 0.47 and 0.5 11:09 < kjskjskjs> fenn: nice gears! 11:09 < kjskjskjs> jrayhawk_: sorry I missed you 11:29 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:30 -!- TC [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:40 < kanzure> blah https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/issues/451 11:41 < kanzure> "Valid point and is needed at times, i.e. for organisations that need to have completely separated accounts for Ops live/staging." 11:41 < kanzure> in other words, people are running production and staging and other environments using the same credentials? 11:45 < drethelin> assuming you don't get injured, is it better to lift a heavier weight fewer times or the other way around? 11:45 < drethelin> I can't remember 11:45 < drethelin> but my phone just reminded me to exercise 11:45 < kanzure> steroids. 11:45 < kanzure> less risk of physical injury 11:46 < drethelin> don't those still require exercise? 11:46 < kanzure> no 11:46 < drethelin> plus they have emotional side effects 11:46 < kanzure> yawn 11:46 < drethelin> those seem obnoxious 11:46 < kanzure> there's a lot of disinformation about steroids 11:46 < drethelin> then again that could just be a stereotype 11:46 < drethelin> yeah 11:46 < drethelin> like cocaine myths compared to reasonable use 11:47 < drethelin> and marijuana propaganda 11:47 < drethelin> anyway 11:47 < drethelin> I don't have steroids here right now 11:47 < drethelin> but I do have weighs 11:47 < Viper168> dunno, I have seen roid rage a the least 11:48 < Viper168> dude beat up his girlfriend, as well as choked out another friend 11:48 < kanzure> what's the difference between roid rage and normal rage 11:48 < drethelin> I think it's a little hard to anecdotally distinguish roid rage from strong hypermasculinity 11:48 < Viper168> normally wasn't that kind of person 11:48 < Viper168> kanzure, normal rage is caused by incidents that tend to call for it more 11:48 < Viper168> roid rage it's stupid bullshit a lot of the time, and escalates quickly 11:49 < kanzure> those damn dirty drug users 11:49 < kanzure> someone should declare a war against drugs or something 11:49 < Viper168> *is 11:49 < Viper168> irritability increases 11:49 < Viper168> and self control can't keep up 11:50 < kanzure> that also sounds like bullshit 11:50 < kanzure> why can't i have roid rage and perfect self control? 11:50 < drethelin> you probably can if you mix your drugs right 11:50 < kanzure> huh? 11:50 < Viper168> maybe if you are already equipped with ridiculous self control 11:50 < Viper168> but most people aren't 11:50 < kanzure> no i mean, if i am choking you, maybe it's because i want to be choking you 11:50 < kanzure> that's self-control 11:50 < Viper168> kanzure, maybe it's because your hormones and shit are whacked out 11:51 < kanzure> so what? 11:51 < Viper168> caused by steroids 11:51 < Viper168> this guy I know would have never resorted to violence so quickly 11:51 < Viper168> it turned him inot a piece of shit 11:51 < Viper168> *into 11:51 < Viper168> I don't talk to him anymore because of it 11:51 < Viper168> no one in our group does 11:51 < kanzure> so it's completely impossible for this person to have changed his opinions about violence 11:52 < kanzure> maybe you're just a bad friend? 11:52 < Viper168> or it's the fact that he's on roids, and it started when he started them 11:52 < kanzure> your reasoning is flawless 11:52 < Viper168> pretty clear connection to the behavior 11:52 < Viper168> he stopped for a while and we started having him around for a while 11:52 < kanzure> i would be pretty enraged if i was subjected to this bullshit line of reasoning 11:53 < Viper168> but then all of a sudden he starts acting like a prick again and sure enough we find out he's back on them 11:54 < Viper168> right, it's bullshit to assume the one new thing he started doing is responsible for the drastic change in personality, especially when they are known for causing it 11:54 < drethelin> I think kanzure is just trollin you 11:54 < drethelin> or maybe he's roid raging at you 11:55 < kanzure> no, i am not trolling Viper168 11:55 < Viper168> yeah might as well be 11:55 < Viper168> both shitty behavior 11:55 < kanzure> yeah fuck rage, and anyone who experiences it 11:55 < kanzure> bunch of idiots huh 11:55 < Viper168> I've dealt with plenty of rage, natural rage 11:55 < Viper168> this was a distinct change in personality 11:56 < kanzure> so what? 11:56 < Viper168> not just getting pissed off 11:56 < Viper168> it ruined him as a person 11:56 < drethelin> kanzure, are you trying to argue that being somewhat angrier is a fine trade-off, or that it's a mythical symptom that doesn't actually exist 11:56 < Viper168> is what 11:56 < Viper168> I lost a friend because of it is what 11:56 < Viper168> because we couldn;t afford to be around him anymore, aside from the dickishness 11:57 < kanzure> drethelin: i think that Viper168 is full of shit, and he would have dropped his friend regardless of steroids or not 11:57 < Viper168> starts choking people out because of a stupid disagreement 11:57 < Viper168> something he never would have done before 11:57 < kanzure> drethelin: there's nothing wrong with dropping a friend, everyone does it eventually 11:57 < Viper168> kanzure, if he started acting like a violent douchebag without roids, then yes I would 11:57 < drethelin> kanzure: ignoring this specific example, do you think roid rage is a thing 11:58 < Viper168> but he didn't turn into one without, it was once he started them that he changed 11:58 < kanzure> well, i definitely believe that roid rage is a term that people know about 11:58 < kanzure> i also believe that steroids can impact behavior, but i don't think this is important 11:58 < Viper168> plus that little window hwere he was off them and was ok 11:58 < Viper168> until he started getting smaller and decided to go back to them 11:59 < Viper168> kanzure, well form the kind of attitudes I've seen form you that doesn;t surprise me 11:59 < Viper168> *from 11:59 < kanzure> why would it matter whether it was steroids or alcohol or whatever. who cares? 12:00 < drethelin> me? 12:00 < drethelin> I care? 12:00 < Viper168> I have a friend becoming a dick from drinking his ass off constantly too, and a similar response on my part is coming if he doesn;t shape up 12:00 < Viper168> both are bad 12:00 < drethelin> like I don't give a shit why some random guy gets angry 12:00 < drethelin> but if I take steroids and get really angry 12:00 < drethelin> that will be bad 12:00 < drethelin> so it's important to know whether that'[s a real thing 12:01 < kanzure> also, isn't the real problem violence, and not anger 12:01 < drethelin> to an extent yes 12:02 < drethelin> but subjectively, feeling angry is usually unpleasant 12:02 < drethelin> whether or not I'm violent 12:02 < Viper168> kanzure, when that violence is caused by uncontrollable anger from steroid use, then no you can;t divorce them 12:03 < kanzure> cpopell2: are any of the anabolic steroids addictive? 12:12 < drethelin> I guess we'll never know 12:12 < drethelin> anyway I did some squats with a kettlebell 12:13 < nmz787_i> kanzure did at one point seem to ask a question more like "do 'roids reduce self-control" 12:13 < nmz787_i> which it seems that most likely they do have some impact on 12:14 < kanzure> self-control is underspecified anyway 12:14 < drethelin> do people on steroids eat the marshmallow or do they wait for two marshmallows 12:16 < kanzure> screw that, go out and buy some 12:16 < nmz787_i> there's also likely some social taboo/ herd mentality crap going on too though, where the public concept of 'roids being bad impacts the users' self-image in a negative way... leading to impact in a negative way on the emotional state 12:16 < drethelin> yeah social context is super important 12:16 < drethelin> people in different countries react differently to alcohol based on how they are expected to 12:17 < drethelin> and I imagein the same could apply to steroids 12:17 < nmz787_i> so that society is says 'roids are bad makes the user more sensitive to negative comments on their behavior, making them pissed as a result 12:17 < drethelin> that too 12:17 < drethelin> kanzure if I could grab them from the corner store I probably would 12:17 < drethelin> but I'm fairly lazy 12:17 < drethelin> I would have to look for an online retailer 12:17 < nmz787_i> marshmallows and/or 'roids? 12:18 < drethelin> hmm I guess I'm not sure what kanzure meant by go out and by some 12:18 < kanzure> marshmallows 12:18 < drethelin> I assumed he was encouraging me to engage in a relatively low risk experiment 12:18 < drethelin> instead of relying on hearsay about steroids 12:19 < nmz787_i> this is the kind of bio experiment outsourcing bitcoin needs to enable 12:20 < kanzure> marshmallows should be easy to access 12:20 < kanzure> i'm just saying, if you're being put through some experiment about one or two or something, it's easier to just go buy your own 12:20 < nmz787_i> find two ppl in countries where they have marshmallows and steroids, but in which only one country finds it socially acceptable (or lacks the concept of finding them unacceptable) 12:21 < drethelin> I was just referencing the classic self control experiment 12:21 < kanzure> and i was citing a snarky way to corrupt the experiment's results 12:22 < nmz787_i> this looks like it is the code defining the verbnurbs.com background model http://verbnurbs.com/js/verb-index.js 12:23 < nmz787_i> but not what actually get's the model to the screen 12:25 < nmz787_i> kanzure: the verbnurbs guy is with AutoDesk 12:25 < nmz787_i> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ptrbyr 12:26 < kanzure> "on screen" well that's webgl and canvases 12:27 < kanzure> anyway i wouldn't recommend modifying control points by hand 12:27 < kanzure> instead just define some primitives, like a half-circle based on known control points and knobs or w/e 12:27 < kanzure> and then build shapes from those primitives 12:28 < nmz787_i> is this his project using verb that you mentioned? http://floodeditor.com/ 12:28 < kanzure> iirc verbnurbs does not have surface-surface intersection yet but this might have changed recently 12:28 < kanzure> yes 12:29 < kanzure> he added curve-surface but no surface-surface yet https://github.com/pboyer/verb 12:29 < nmz787_i> oh, this is on github too https://github.com/pboyer/flood 12:29 < kanzure> here's a recent change.... https://github.com/pboyer/verb/commit/d642d08c3ae7162c111008cd3ccafad08f42d17d 12:29 < nmz787_i> so i guess it is separate from autodesk somehow 12:30 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31 < kanzure> well it's a wildly different implementation 12:37 < nmz787_i> i'd assume such a company would want any IP generated by employees that is similar in any way to their core IP 12:38 < kanzure> autodesk did not write their own cad kernel, actually 12:39 < kanzure> they licensed the acis kernel 12:42 < fenn> kjskjskjs: lcamtuf has an incredibly well done guide to resin casting of gears and robot parts, if you haven't seen it: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/rstory/ http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/gcnc/ and also some cycloid gear stuff http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/cycloid/ 12:43 < fenn> .title 12:43 < yoleaux> cycloidal transmission 12:44 < fenn> hm 12:44 < fenn> "Guerrilla guide to CNC machining, mold making, and resin casting" 12:50 -!- peteros [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:51 < kanzure> evidence that aliens are real https://github.com/whatupdave/blockway/blob/master/tf/main.tf 12:51 < kanzure> terraform is pretty neat 13:07 < kjskjskjs> fenn: yes, I like it a lot 13:07 < kjskjskjs> although it looks like he has added new stuff to it 13:13 < kjskjskjs> so thank you very much :) 13:15 < jrayhawk_> the opportunity might arise again 13:17 < kanzure> nmz787_i: let me know if flood works at all or wut 13:20 -!- Twey [~twey@unaffiliated/twey] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:21 < nmz787_i> kanzure: might try later this week... idk how long setup will take since I've not worked with node.js before 13:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:22 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@97-121-116-109.omah.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- Twey [~twey@unaffiliated/twey] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:27 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@97-121-116-109.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 < kanzure> .wik weevil 13:38 < yoleaux> "A weevil is a type of beetle from the Curculionoidea superfamily. They are usually small, less than 6 millimetres (0.24 in), and herbivorous. There are over 60,000 species in several families, mostly in the family Curculionidae (the true weevils)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weevil 13:38 < kanzure> just for the name 13:50 < kjskjskjs> my weevil strategy is freezers and PET bottles 13:53 < superkuh> paperbot: http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/rsi/84/10/10.1063/1.4827079 13:53 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Note%3A%20Repetitive%20operation%20of%20the%20capacitor%20bank%20of%20the%20low-voltage%20miniature%20plasma%20focus%20at%2050%20Hz.txt 13:54 < superkuh> paperbot: http://scitation.aip.org/deliver/fulltext/aip/journal/rsi/84/10/1.4827079.pdf 13:55 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Delivery%20Error.txt 14:00 < nmz787_i> superkuh: i emailed the cap company, have you done the same? any response? 14:00 < superkuh> I didn't. 14:04 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-qrqwcgqcxvenmmeb] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 14:08 < kanzure> he was so disappointed that he /quit 14:18 < superkuh> The caps in question were almost certainly from a custom batch. There is no way I could afford a custom batch. The author of the journal articles saying they were $10 was probably disingenuous in some way. I can hardly trust someone who calls all capacitors "electrolytic capacitors". 14:20 < kjskjskjs> jrayhawk_: did you get any answers about memristors? 14:20 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@31.7.56.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:21 < kjskjskjs> superkuh: have you asked the author? 14:21 < superkuh> Yes. 14:21 < kjskjskjs> it would be an easy mistake to make that any capacitor in a big round metal can is an electrolytic capacitor 14:21 < superkuh> Yeah. The blue fooled me for a while. 14:22 < superkuh> But you don't use electrolytics in that type of circuit. 14:22 < kjskjskjs> Because it needs to be AC? 14:22 < kjskjskjs> I haven't read the paper actually 14:23 < jrayhawk_> I didn't really have any questions. 14:23 < kjskjskjs> so feel free to tell me RTFOP 14:23 < kjskjskjs> jrayhawk_: aw. that's too bad. some people posted some in here. 14:23 < superkuh> High voltage reversal during the ringing down of the the pulse discharge. 14:24 < superkuh> So, yeah, AC. 14:24 < kjskjskjs> Right. 14:24 < jrayhawk_> I saw fenn being snarky, but that didn't seem worth passing on 14:27 < fenn> i expect the PI didn't build the machine and has a low opinion of people who know how to build things 14:29 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: do you have any ideas for a situation where there's a bunch of git submodules, but you might have those repos otherwise checked out on your system, and you would like symlinks while still letting the git-repo-with-the-submodules control checkouts correctly? 14:34 < kanzure> oh, you can symlink into the submodules, rather than from the submodule's folder/path 14:35 < kanzure> which will preserve the parent repo's ability to control checkouts/working directories/whatever 14:35 < jrayhawk_> local clone operations link by default, but that's not quite optimal 14:35 < jrayhawk_> /usr/share/doc/git/contrib/workdir/git-new-workdir 14:36 < kanzure> but git operations in the symlinked one wont work because there's no .git in there. hmm. i'm not sure if this is bad though. 14:36 < jrayhawk_> git-new-workdir symlinks stuff within .git to do the maximally efficient thing 14:36 < jrayhawk_> while still allowing e.g. independent merge operations 14:37 < kanzure> huh. 14:37 < kanzure> that looks close. at least topical. 14:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:59 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:01 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@5.150.254.180] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:02 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:02 < nmz787_i> this site won't stop pausing/freezing in the middle of a song 15:02 < nmz787_i> https://bleep.com/release/53848-aphex-twin-syro 15:03 < kanzure> these guys have been stalking me http://www.decentralbank.com/whitepaper 15:03 < kanzure> (i can stalk back, yo) 15:04 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 < drethelin> why are they stalking you 15:09 < nmz787_i> luckily their URL naming scheme is incremental 15:10 < kanzure> drethelin: linkedin, so i assume because they want a programmer 15:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 < nmz787_i> chris_99: idk if you might ever use wxPython, but I modified some code to display an opencv video stream in wxPython, and added some nifty ROI cropping stuff (shades areas outside the area to-be-cropped as you click-drag with mouse) http://stackoverflow.com/a/26457671/253127 15:37 < chris_99> cool, i was looking at opencv recently and their face recognition stuff 15:39 < nmz787_i> chris_99: I remember you posting that receipt scanner when I happened upon it myself a few weeks ago 15:39 < nmz787_i> i'll be playing with integrating this into the GUI this week https://github.com/Itseez/opencv/blob/master/samples/python2/find_obj.py 15:40 < chris_99> cool 15:42 < chris_99> i found this recently https://github.com/apresta/tagger 15:42 < chris_99> which works pretty well, at tagging docs 15:43 < kanzure> hm. 15:43 < kanzure> run it against this channel's logs 15:44 < chris_99> heh good idea 15:45 < chris_99> i'm working on making something that logs my computer usage (keypresses, websites visited etc) and infers stuff from them hopefully, so i wanted to use that with parts of it 15:45 < dingo> hey i'll use that tagger module 15:46 < ParahSailin_> PHP implements its arbitrary size arithmetic in C. However, it doesn’t have a BigInt data type, so its arbitrary size numerical functions take and return strings. 15:46 < dingo> my bbs messaing system uses tagging, i'll use it on that, thanks chris_99 15:46 < chris_99> cool 15:46 < kanzure> for bookmark tagging https://github.com/davidlazar/jotmuch 15:47 < chris_99> intriguing 15:53 < kanzure> $ ./jot count 15:53 < kanzure> 1659 15:54 < nmz787_i> $ ls / 15:54 < kanzure> bin 15:54 < nmz787_i> oh 15:55 < nmz787_i> but it wasn't a bot that replied 15:55 < fenn> Read error: device not found 15:55 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@5.150.254.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:10 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_SoJUWoaYI 16:10 < yoleaux> Kajis - 60 Million Years (Original Mix) - YouTube 16:15 < kanzure> haha, 16:15 < kanzure> .title http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-waited-five-months-for-my-soylent-and-now-i-cant-get-rid-of-it?trk_source=popular 16:15 < yoleaux> The secondary market for Soylent on Craigslist and Ebay | Motherboard 16:22 < kjskjskjs> ParahSailin_: sweet. we should do that in shell 16:24 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:25 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:27 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:29 < nmz787_i> http://www.amazon.com/SystemSure-Plus-Luminometer/dp/B004BXG10A# 16:29 < nmz787_i> 'Perfect tool for rapid assessment of ATP levels with ATP hygiene monitoring system' 16:29 < nmz787_i> $1300 16:30 < kanzure> hygiene? 16:33 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:34 < kanzure> any guesses to whether or not scp to a remote server with a non-root user would be able to place a file in a regular /etc somewhere 16:35 < kanzure> ugh looks like my provision-stuff will have to copy them from an intermediate location 16:35 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 < kjskjskjs> : user@debian:~; find /etc -type d -perm -002 -ls 2>/dev/null 16:35 < kjskjskjs> : user@debian:~; 16:35 < fenn> cannot touch ‘/etc/foo’: Permission denied 16:35 < kjskjskjs> no 16:36 < kanzure> is it roomy in there inside that head you two? 16:36 < fenn> i am feeling very confused today 16:36 < fenn> reading postmodernist structuralist discourse theory isnt helping 16:36 < kanzure> computational aether is just compensating for heat dissipation issues 16:37 < kjskjskjs> fenn: who, Foucault? 16:37 < kjskjskjs> I guess he's post-structuralist 16:37 < fenn> please, don't 16:37 < kanzure> hah 16:38 < kanzure> airbnb for fenn's headspace 16:38 < kanzure> banned by the state of new york, at least twice 16:39 < kanzure> banned by the state and city of new york, at least twice 16:39 < fenn> redundant redundancy for everyone everyone 16:39 < fenn> shack up in someone else's head for a day, take a load off 16:40 < kanzure> funny thing is kjskjskjs was trying to start a feminism discussion with me earlier 16:40 < kjskjskjs> actually I think you started it 16:40 < kanzure> (and i escaped) 16:40 < kanzure> no way 16:40 < kjskjskjs> I was just trying to answer your question 16:40 < kanzure> well that wasn't my intention 16:44 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcanqyesiebvzrhm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:10 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:33 < kanzure> http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/20/ranked-all-32-billion-dollar-mobile-internet-start-ups-report/ 17:35 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:45 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 -!- kumavis__ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05 < pasky> so twitter is still a startup? until when? 18:05 < kanzure> until they stop growing 18:07 < drethelin> startup is such an odd category 18:10 -!- kumavis__ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@5.150.254.180] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:12 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:bd7d:1fa:c5d8:712a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:42 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:52 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:11 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:24 < kjskjskjs> Twitter is still a startup? 19:25 < kjskjskjs> no they're not 19:25 < kjskjskjs> I could maybe see calling them a startup until they're profitable 19:25 < kjskjskjs> but that happened six months ago 19:26 < kanzure> startups can be profitable 19:26 < kjskjskjs> yes, but they stop being startups 19:26 < kanzure> i use this definition often http://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html 19:27 < kjskjskjs> Twitter also isn't growing at 3% or 5% per week! 19:27 < kanzure> "if you were once growing at that rate for more than a year then you are a startup and will probably continue to be called a startup" 19:28 < kjskjskjs> that's nonsense 19:28 < kanzure> probably 19:28 < kjskjskjs> the page doesn't even say that 19:30 < kanzure> oh, i didn't mean to imply that, sorry 19:30 < kanzure> but yes usually when i quote some text after dropping a link, i mean it came from the link 19:30 < kanzure> so you're not wrong to think it should have 19:30 < kjskjskjs> :) 19:30 < kjskjskjs> I was like "I don't remember Paul saying that" 19:30 < kjskjskjs> and ^F and nope! 19:37 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:44 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 < kanzure> "The IRS says the costs of developing computer so closely resembles research and experimental expenses that it warrants similar accounting treatment. As a result, a taxpayer may use any of the following three methods for costs paid or incurred in developing software for a particular project, either for the taxpayer’s own use, or to be held by the taxpayer for sale or lease to others: (1) The costs may be consistently treated as current ... 20:02 < kanzure> ... expenses and deducted in full. (2) The costs may be consistently treated as capital expenses that are amortized ratably over 60 months from the date of completion of the software development. (3) The costs may be consistently treated as capital expenses and amortized ratably over 36 months from the date the software is placed in service. Under this method, the cost may also be eligible for a bonus first-year depreciation allowance." 20:02 < kjskjskjs> "developing computer"? 20:02 < kjskjskjs> should that be "developing computer software"? 20:02 < kanzure> i think so, but i don't know if the quote was verbatim 20:03 < kjskjskjs> I understand that certain antibiotics can help if you develop computer after initial exposure 20:03 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: No calling card for the unsung bard] 20:03 < kjskjskjs> those sound like reasonable approaches except for the "from the date of completion" idea 20:04 < kjskjskjs> presumably they don't let you use option #2 if the software was already placed in service? 20:05 < kanzure> backdating is often allowed for various things 20:06 < kjskjskjs> right, but that only helps you if you want to lower your book value 20:06 < kjskjskjs> which you can do more effectively by taking door #1 20:07 < kanzure> i feel like there's a tax monster behind all of these doors and there's no great option 20:07 < kjskjskjs> if instead you want to raise your book value (say, because you would like to avoid turning your net positive cash flow this year into a taxable profit) then #2 would seem to allow you to do so indefinitely 20:07 < kanzure> it's too bad that the irs has been taking a negative view on open source software lately as a charitable enterprise 20:07 < kanzure> although i wouldn't mind taking a tax break on all this software i write 20:08 < kjskjskjs> yeah 20:14 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:15 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:20 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:31 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:35 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@31.7.56.132] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:22 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:48 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:56 -!- TC [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:00 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:00 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:13 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:14 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:15 < kanzure> .to sheena http://imgur.com/a/8DfqE 22:15 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to sheena. 22:26 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kehaimpesyazzqza] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:33 < nmz787> .to sheena why not just use a small plate? 22:33 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to sheena. 22:34 < nmz787> .to chris_99 http://www.reddit.com/r/opencv/ has some good links, been reading through SIFT and a few others on here http://aishack.in/category/computer-vision/ 22:34 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99. 22:42 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:bd7d:1fa:c5d8:712a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:49 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:59 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:07 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 < nmz787> paperbot: ttp://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v12/n11/full/nrd4068.html 23:55 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v12/n11/full/nrd4068.html 23:55 < paperbot> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='libgen.org', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: /scimag/librarian/form.php (Caused by : [Errno -2] Name or service not known) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send) 23:58 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@5.150.254.180] has quit [Quit: May the force be with you. 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