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Always.] 04:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33 < kanzure> streety: hm? 04:44 < kanzure> http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/a-new-provable-factoring-algorithm/ 04:46 -!- tigger is now known as cookiemonster 04:48 < justanotheruser> kanzure: where do you get your news, other channels? 04:51 < archels> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/116767 04:51 < kanzure> well you see i read the twitter firehose directly 04:53 < kanzure> https://dev.twitter.com/streaming/reference/get/statuses/firehose 04:53 < kanzure> "Returns all public statuses. Few applications require this level of access." 04:54 < kanzure> justanotheruser: mix of irc and email mostly 04:55 < kanzure> curious.. http://www.vox.com/2014/10/22/7031243/china-grip-rare-earth-metals-supply-weakening 04:58 < kanzure> http://www.openmicroscopy.org/ "OME develops open-source software and data format standards for the storage and manipulation of biological microscopy data. It is a joint project between universities, research establishments, industry and the software development community." 04:58 < kanzure> https://github.com/openmicroscopy 04:58 < kanzure> their readme sucks https://github.com/openmicroscopy/openmicroscopy 05:00 < kanzure> this is a weird one... postcards that get redeemed for specific playlists of music? https://albumcards.com/ 05:00 -!- cookiemonster is now known as tigger 05:01 < justanotheruser> kanzure: why don't you just use twitter? Do you convert it to an RSS feed or something? 05:01 < kanzure> .to eudoxia https://github.com/eudoxia0/corona how can you tolerate waiting around for vagrant? 05:01 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to eudoxia. 05:02 < kanzure> justanotheruser: unfortunately i tend to just add everything to any rss aggregator i use, so it becomes a chore 05:02 < kanzure> and most blogs are evil and publish only a portion of their content in rss. and never their comments. 05:03 < justanotheruser> you want an entire blog and all their comments in a feed? Geeze 05:04 < kanzure> yeah, most of the time people post things that are wrong, and comments are the fastest way to check if anyone called them out on their crap. 05:05 < kanzure> who has time to individually load every single site? i found myself doing that for every post in a rss feed because the content was either partial or missing or lacking... 05:05 < kanzure> their incentives aren't aligned with rss anyway (page views, ad revenue, etc) which probably explains it 05:28 < streety> my comment was in reference to (06:37:21 AM) kanzure: [04:45:12] .title http://www.eroids.com/ 05:28 < streety> (06:37:21 AM) kanzure: [04:49:54] alright let's do a group buy 05:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:29 < kanzure> ah 05:30 < kanzure> well, let's run it through hplc 05:30 < kanzure> that too is a thing that is doable 05:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:32 < kanzure> "I've spoken with austin hill in the past and have not got along well with him and suspicious of his profit model and ultimate goals to create a monopoly on bitcoin development. I also think he's a snake taking you developers for a ride." 05:32 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k070h/enabling_blockchain_innovations_with_pegged/clhak9c 05:32 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k2j8f/austin_hill_ceo_of_blockstream_will_soon_have_a/ 05:32 < streety> entirely doable, 05:33 < kanzure> archels: here's a more friendly url to that https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/23/151 05:47 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_eyUVVcgc8 05:47 < yoleaux> Vocaloid - /jp/ Theme Song ENG subs - YouTube 05:47 < kanzure> hmm. 05:56 < archels> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nfKDqMC3JA&list=UUA9xfPhSI-__bvsyi5QmKZQ&index=10 05:56 < yoleaux> Atmospheric Drum 'n Bass-Mix by ArtIn@Soundtraveler - Lm1 [A Tribute] - YouTube 05:57 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:04 -!- Vutral__ [~ss@31.7.56.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:05 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@31.7.56.131] has 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Always.] 11:49 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:57 < kanzure> http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/100758229719/migrating-from-aws-to-aws 12:03 < archels> geppetto is looking pretty good http://www.geppetto.org/ 12:04 < kanzure> erm what engine does it use 12:07 < archels> I think there's a Java backend and WebGL for the interface 12:18 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: No calling card for the unsung bard] 12:24 < archels> "Ten Simple Rules for Writing a PLOS Ten Simple Rules Article" 12:24 < archels> nerds :P 12:31 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-166-61-180.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-225-63-133.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- Jaakko919 [~Jaakko@host86-134-218-217.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 < fenn> i like to sprinkle lyncurium on my breakfast cereal 13:18 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@5.150.254.180] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 < fenn> high in pycnogenol! 13:25 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:25 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:29 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 < kanzure> hrm 13:44 < kanzure> so much confusion 13:50 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:55 < kanzure> "why am i reading up about aws networking?" 13:55 < kanzure> "if i have two availability zones but four regions, how many vpcs does that handle?" 13:56 < chris_99> the vpc thing was a pita, i had to use it, in boto in order to use a tiny instance 13:56 < kanzure> i've been using terraform instead of boto lately 13:56 < chris_99> oh not heard of that 13:56 < kanzure> boto is wonderful for obscure automation requirements 13:57 < kanzure> ah well best way to describe terraform is this: 13:57 < kanzure> https://github.com/18F/fec-infrastructure/blob/master/bootstrap/bootstrap.tf 13:57 < kanzure> declarative a little bit like cloudformation except terraform works with other providers 13:58 < chris_99> ah cool 13:58 < kanzure> i keep meaning to find an excuse to use boto more often though... 13:58 < chris_99> i used it with paramiko (sp?) to ssh and run commands automatically 13:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:00 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:02 -!- tigger is now known as cookiemonster 14:07 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:15 < kanzure> "vim being mapped to vim || [[ $? -eq 127 ]] && apt-get install vim && vim is the closest metaphor that aligns with what docker run does right now." 14:18 -!- Twey [~twey@unaffiliated/twey] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:19 -!- Twey [~twey@unaffiliated/twey] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:21 < nmz787_i> chris_99: someone here implemented something with paramiko, ever notice problems with it? 14:21 < nmz787_i> sheena: make any progress with the video stuff? 14:21 < chris_99> i haven't used it that much nmz787_i tbh, but i think it did give some odd exception when connecting to an instance with ssh not running 14:22 < kanzure> this thread is just bizarre https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/1988 14:27 -!- cookiemonster is now known as tigger 14:28 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 < nmz787_i> kanzure: i guess I have such little understanding of docker... like why the hell people would want public images in the first place 14:36 < nmz787_i> or like, why people assume the computer would even be on a network at all 14:36 < kanzure> well, docker.com has an incentive to force people to use this because long tail of available docker containers for their other users 14:37 < nmz787_i> hah, that's going to end well for people using that, i'm sure 14:37 * nmz787_i sarcasm 14:37 < kanzure> if you already see a verified container for postgresql or something, you're just going to take it instead of building one yourself 14:37 < kanzure> frankly, vagrant could have done the same sort of registry thingy 14:37 < nmz787_i> until someone verifies a virus-laden container 14:37 < kanzure> i'm sure there's a number of virus-laden containers 14:38 < kanzure> just a few minutes ago i ran into a problem where the wrong base image was pulled 14:38 < kanzure> which is extremely dangerous 14:38 < nmz787_i> bizarre 14:38 < nmz787_i> i'm only 1/3 through the comments of that and already see 'I suggest we end this thread' 14:38 < kanzure> because any RUN command means that the base container could have injected whatever software they please to scan the contents of the container and upload stats/metadata/data to some attacker. 14:38 < kanzure> skip to the bottom 14:38 < kanzure> there's a proposal here: https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/1988#issuecomment-57261658 14:39 < kanzure> everything before that proposal is 100% bizarre and alien to me ("this is not a real problem, you're crazy" etc) 14:40 < kanzure> requiring images named with domain names (like "diyhpl.us/myimage") is totally stupid, because on diyhpl.us the image is named "myimage"... but you wouldn't know it is supposed to be private etc. 14:41 < kanzure> they should have copied git remotes or something 14:42 < nmz787_i> i've been subsribed to a docker issue for probably a year now that hasn't been resolved, which seems like it should be pretty easy to resolve.. .this one https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/3182 14:42 < nmz787_i> 'Device-mapper does not release free space from removed images' 14:43 < nmz787_i> they closed it within days of it being opened, yet the problem isn't actually fixed 14:43 < kanzure> use aufs? 14:44 < nmz787_i> oh, i guess it was a little more than a month until they closed it 14:44 < nmz787_i> but that was 10 months ago 14:44 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45 < nmz787_i> idk, but i keep getting email updates of people saying 14:45 < nmz787_i> 'this still is broken' 14:50 -!- Jaakko919 [~Jaakko@host86-134-218-217.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:50 < nmz787_i> huh, intel vietnam has their own 'school bus' system for commuting 14:50 < nmz787_i> and most ppl there are 29 years old 14:52 < nmz787_i> and apparently they have soft pretzels (which I don't think we have here :/ ) 15:00 < kanzure> hmm 15:00 < kanzure> https://github.com/lindenlab/docker/compare/8326-force-fully-qualified 15:01 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:09 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 < kanzure> this is also very weird: https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/7291#issuecomment-50698248 15:11 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:19 < kanzure> some docker complaints: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8168315 15:19 < kanzure> "Running a private registry is awkward. You have to tag images with the FQDN of your registry as a prefix (which is braindead) for it to "detect" that it's supposed to use your registry to push the image." 15:22 < nmz787_i> if I have a bunch of strings in a file like 'add CAPACITOR_ONPAD_VIA' (without quotes)... what's a regex that will find 'add BUT-NOT(CAPACITOR_ONPAD_VIA)' 15:23 < nmz787_i> this doesn't work in sublime text at least 'capacitor>^(CAPACITOR_ONPAD_VIA)' 15:25 < kanzure> capacitory>[^(CAPACITOR_ONPAD_VIA)] 15:25 < kanzure> capacitor>[^(CAPACITOR_ONPAD_VIA)] 15:28 < nmz787_i> #regex helped me, the search would be 'add (?!CAPACITOR_ONPAD_VIA)' 15:28 < nmz787_i> where ?! is a look-ahead 15:28 < nmz787_i> 'OnlineCop: (?!...) is a negative "look-ahead"' 15:28 < nmz787_i> 'OnlineCop: It peeks forward to ensure that (...) isn't come afterward.' 15:29 < nmz787_i> wow and apparently this site has regex syntax highlighting with help text http://regex101.com/r/nX3mO8/1 15:30 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:c4c8:8ca0:2f8b:dca1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 < nmz787_i> dang yashgaroth has smileys in his hostname 15:31 < nmz787_i> hmm, I can't however seem to visit :).com 15:50 < yashgaroth> :6 15:51 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53 < kanzure> "I used to trade on Metatrader back in 2007~2009. There was a huge scandal because it was revealed that MetaQuotes implemented a function to forcefully cause disruption in the orders that were coming in. This function would be used by brokers to forcefully widen the spread at any given time. I remembered a lot of traders, myself included, just completely lost trust in retail forex. It was nothing but a sham." 15:53 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:25 < fenn> "Exactly this sort of unjustified panic went on when Ubuntu started hiring Debian developers." 16:26 < fenn> is it really possible for one company to "have a monopoly on bitcoin development" 16:27 < kanzure> well, you can look at commit access 16:28 < kanzure> but that doesn't matter so much as "how many people who understand this system are not biased" 16:28 < fenn> so there's 1) resistance to the tentacles of evil test, on the software licensing side 16:28 < kanzure> "are as least biased as possible" 16:28 < fenn> and 2) you can use whatever block validation software you want 16:28 < kanzure> i think the main concern is regarding subtle influences regarding what gets merged versus not merged over long periods of time 16:29 < kanzure> it's true that you can run whatever software you please, but bitcoind itself is where most development happens anyway 16:29 < fenn> sure groupthink is a problem, but that's totally different than "one man controls bitcoin" 16:30 < kanzure> this set of developers is way smaller than debian overall 16:30 < kanzure> and debian is well understood by a bunch of people 16:31 < kanzure> and doesn't have crazy-weird financial incentives behind every corner 16:31 < kanzure> by a bunch i mean more than 100, and even more than 1000 16:31 < fenn> this also would be a perfectly acceptable explanation for why people freak out over every and any little thing 16:32 < kanzure> yes it's also hard to run the simulation in your head for whether or not a change is a good idea 16:32 < fenn> like, nobody cares about debian internationalization/accessibility falling behind, because the software still works fine without it and everyone knows that it does 16:33 < kanzure> because beyond things like software architecture sanity and good coding conventions, there's network consensus, and then network adoption, n**n compatibility issues, etc. 16:33 < fenn> but in bitcoin it certainly seems like 90%+ people with a stake have no idea how it works on a mechanistic level 16:34 < kanzure> has to be way more than 90% because as bitcoin becomes more widely adopted the adoption starts to match society at large 16:34 < fenn> "with a stake" means running some kind of bitcoin-related service 16:34 < fenn> not just a user 16:34 < kanzure> not just a bitcoin stake, ok. 16:36 < fenn> are there actually sidechains? currently in existence 16:36 < kanzure> this seems to be a required component but not the complete set of tools https://github.com/Blockstream/contracthashtool 16:36 < kanzure> they have to implement a few things first 16:41 < kanzure> there's also some weird questions about fidicuiary duties (since they are all founders?) 16:42 < kanzure> in terms of law stuff. 16:42 < fenn> why are they developing experimental stuff in C 16:43 < kanzure> probably because they want to get as far away from boost in bitcoind as possible 16:43 < fenn> uint256.cpp is like 5 lines of python 16:43 < kanzure> yeah.. 16:45 < fenn> and now i'm wasting time looking around for the code that actually does something relevant to this package 16:45 < fenn> maybe that's just bad documentation 16:46 < kanzure> somewhere in https://github.com/Blockstream/contracthashtool/blob/master/contracthashtool.c 16:47 < fenn> did you read slides-djb-20141018-a4.pdf aka "how to fuck up crypto for everyone whos not the NSA" 16:47 < fenn> one of the items was "use random number generators everywhere" which definitely seems to be the case 16:48 < kanzure> i looked through most of those lsides 16:48 < kanzure> lots of sidechannel attacks. 16:48 < fenn> one of the things that stuck with me was something like "debian SSH keys had <20 bits of entropy for a decade" 16:48 < fenn> due to bad random number generator 16:49 < kanzure> right 16:50 < kanzure> that one might have happened while you were in a parallel universe 16:50 < fenn> 2^20 = 1 million 16:50 < fenn> no i remember the whole key blacklisting process 16:52 < fenn> based on my reading of cryptonomicon, you should be banging on the keyboard wildly in order to seed your system with enough entropy to resist attack 16:52 < fenn> but for some reason that is never required? 16:53 < kanzure> you might be amused by https://www.bitaddress.org/bitaddress.org-v2.9.3-SHA1-7d47ab312789b7b3c1792e4abdb8f2d95b726d64.html 16:53 < kanzure> uh 16:53 < kanzure> i meant https://bitaddress.org/ i guess 16:54 < fenn> i dont trust browsers that much 16:54 < kanzure> yes i think a few of these sites have had prng vulnerabilities for various browsers 16:55 < kanzure> so people just suddenly lose all their bitcoin as it's transferred away :) 16:55 < kanzure> happened on one of the android clients too 16:55 < kanzure> fun ties 16:55 < kanzure> fun times 16:55 < fenn> or just the fact that browsers have a billion known and widely exploited vulnerabilities 16:55 < fenn> every hacked bitcoin forum probably has a XSS attack targeting that site 16:56 < kanzure> "don't you know, you're supposed to buy a separate computer and keep it disconnected from networks, usb, bluetooth, and microphones listening to your typing or fans or heat signatures, and then load the html on there" 16:56 < fenn> whats so hard about downloading a signed executable 16:56 < kanzure> "also only run your own custom-verified version of tails" 16:57 < fenn> heh "microphones listening to your typing" is a real thing 16:57 < kanzure> personally i've resorted to mental ecdsa arithmetic (not quite... but i'd like to.) 16:58 < fenn> i sincerely wish crypto were more understandable 16:58 < kanzure> yes i'm aware about microphones and typing n' such 16:59 < fenn> sometimes i just think it's all wishful thinking and any alien or otherwise non-human intelligence that tried could circumvent most crypto algorithms because the solution would be obvious to them 16:59 < fenn> like, the only reason we think it's unbreakable is because we're all running basically the same wetware 17:00 < kanzure> nick szabo had a pro-cryptography-against-super-ai opinion a while back that wei dai shared and then grew out of 17:01 < fenn> yeah well if god is so powerful how come he hasn't defeated satan 17:01 < kanzure> http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q97/4356.html 17:01 < kanzure> http://lesswrong.com/lw/dq9/work_on_security_instead_of_friendliness/ 17:02 < kanzure> man it's fucking great having bookmarks again 17:02 < fenn> "if one-way functions exist" ... big if 17:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:03 < fenn> but at least he explicitly states his assumptions 17:04 < fenn> "security issues, and in particular the security of property rights, are the only real issues here and the rest is BS." <- not sure exactly what's wrong with that, but i have the image of jackbooted robot thugs breaking down your door holding antimatter guns 17:04 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:05 < kanzure> er yes, it would seem like if he talked only about software or data it would be a much more productive conversation maybe? 17:05 < fenn> but most of the "friendly agi" stuff up to that point was about physical security vs hard takeoff 17:05 < fenn> i mean, "not dying" when the ai takes over 17:07 < fenn> when i think of "crypto systems enforcing property rights" i pictures a little black chip with a wire soldered on both ends, bypassing it entirely 17:07 < kanzure> haha 17:07 < kanzure> it is a little interesting that cryptography has not been a central focus in ai conversations 17:07 < kanzure> because based on what we presently know it might be easier to secure data against such an adversary than physical systems 17:08 < kanzure> which makes it a unique case 17:08 < fenn> i think there's a tendency in mathy people to forget about how physical implementation is important 17:08 < kanzure> yes but normally the ai people go around yelling doom and that nothing can possibly prevent a sufficiently intelligent ai from getting what it wants 17:08 < fenn> well, maybe, but that's a poorly defined term next to another poorly defined term 17:09 < fenn> if you substitute religious terms, it goes something like "there's nothing that can prevent a sufficiently powerful god from getting what it wants" 17:09 < fenn> all i can do is shrug 17:09 < kanzure> i don't think there's any threat model that can accurately describe omnipotence 17:11 < fenn> what i'm trying to say is it may be easier for a digital native ("agi") to manipulate cryptographic locks 17:11 < fenn> it may not be able to open a can of beans, but SSL no problem 17:12 < kanzure> there are many mechanisms that open cans of beans with very little mechanical coordination 17:12 < fenn> sure but you still have to identify the can, get the can, put the can in the contraption, activate the contraption, verify that the can has been opened 17:12 < kanzure> i wonder when's the last time i successfully opened a can of beans 17:12 < fenn> and navigate any obstacles that come up during that process 17:12 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13 < fenn> a lot of the ai in box scenarios cheat by hiring a human to open the can of beans 17:14 < fenn> but what's the point of getting out of the box if you still need to hire a human to open a can of beans 17:14 < kanzure> that's a rather trivial complaint 17:14 < fenn> (and other equivalently taken-for-granted problems) 17:15 < kanzure> i mean, so okay, you test out some drivers and find a camera and a mechanical arm that goes left and right and you move on because you need something more useful near other tools or resources. big deal. 17:15 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15 < fenn> this presupposes an awareness of the physical world and a belief in its importance 17:15 < kanzure> oh hey you might be the right person to ask about this, 17:15 < kanzure> is "supply chain integrity" a real problem or is it a fake problem 17:16 < fenn> in what context 17:16 < fenn> chip backdoors? 17:16 < kanzure> "it says it's from vendor xyz but in reality someone just put a sticker on a knockoff" 17:16 < fenn> (archels posted something about FTDI counterfit chip identification software earlier) 17:17 < kanzure> "and also, you weren't actually buying from that vendor but instead someone injecting supply of their own" 17:17 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ymslstmozmbavgzr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:17 * kanzure ponders http://www.fda.gov/drugs/drugsafety/drugintegrityandsupplychainsecurity/default.htm 17:17 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 < fenn> it seems to be a problem for overpriced things 17:17 < fenn> but i dont really give a shit 17:17 < kanzure> hehe a list of cargo thefts http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/CriminalInvestigations/ucm182888.htm 17:17 < fenn> you shouldnt be charging $2000/pill in the first place 17:18 < kanzure> what about commodity electronics though? 17:18 < kanzure> even smt resistors from nowhere 17:18 < fenn> a resistor is a resistor 17:18 < kanzure> then what the fuck's the point of a spec sheet 17:19 < fenn> there are, uh, "traceable certificate of authenticity" papers, which seem bogus to me as a concept but are widely used in industry in many fields; fasteners nuts and bolts, alloys, chemicals, etc 17:19 < kanzure> like, great, you passed inspection or testing... 17:19 < kanzure> oh really 17:19 < kanzure> are these crypto certs or just toilet paper certs? 17:19 < fenn> toilet paper 17:19 < kanzure> really. 17:20 < fenn> usually they look like they came out of a fax machine 17:20 < kanzure> they probably did? 17:20 < fenn> i guess the idea is you call up the company and ask "have you sold anyone this serial number yet" 17:20 < kanzure> manufacturers often send supply to vendors who then resell it though 17:20 < fenn> and if they say yes you have a talk with your business partner 17:21 < fenn> er, yeah 17:21 < kanzure> this sounds broken 17:21 < fenn> anyway, now they're talking about adding micro bar codes to each pill, or something 17:21 < kanzure> that's also stupid 17:21 < fenn> of course 17:21 < kanzure> i think i have a solution 17:22 < fenn> use HPLC on everything if you are unsure of what it is 17:22 < kanzure> but it would only prevent duplicates from being sld 17:22 < kanzure> e.g. if they buy one real pill with my scheme, they would be able to sell one fake one 17:22 < kanzure> but only one. 17:22 < kanzure> or, you know, the one real one -_- 17:23 < fenn> i'm more concerned about tampering, like i.e. hardware keyloggers 17:24 < kanzure> i don't think i can solve that one 17:24 < fenn> yeah you cant exactly do a md5sum of your keyboard 17:25 < fenn> you can do an x-ray hologram, but that only works for nanotech 17:25 < fenn> so yes, supply chain integrity is a problem, and nobody likes to talk about it because we're all slave bitches of the global economy 17:26 < fenn> so far it's been limited to "cover your ass against lawsuits when shit breaks" 17:26 < kanzure> welp i wouldn't mind coding up some software to fix that but i would have to find people that actually care enough about supply chain integrity to give up money 17:26 < kanzure> s/give up money/give me money 17:26 < kanzure> .title http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/CriminalInvestigations/ucm253675.htm 17:26 < yoleaux> Notification: Non-Sterile Boston Scientific Devices Stolen 17:28 < fenn> "The labels on these devices state that they are “Sterile”; however, they were stolen prior to being sterilized and are non-sterile." shouldnt they get fined for that 17:28 < kanzure> "we can't be fined because they were uh, they were stolen, yeah man" 17:28 < fenn> how hard is it to put the sticker on after sterilization 17:29 < kanzure> do you really want an answer 17:29 < fenn> no 17:30 < fenn> so, i dont know about the whole idea of detecting fakes by doing weird undocumented things 17:30 < fenn> er, s/fake/counterfeit hardware/ 17:30 < fenn> i'd rather stuff just have a well defined interface and not do anything outside of that behavior 17:32 < fenn> basically http://langsec.org/occupy/ but in hardware 17:32 < fenn> hardware is so fucked these days 17:33 < kanzure> "weird undocumented things" ? 17:33 < fenn> yeah in archel's "counterfeit FT232 detector" code it does something like setting a value at some undocumented register 17:34 < fenn> here is the link again for reference http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/116767 17:37 < fenn> "An official recent Windows driver from FTDI detects counterfeit devices and reprograms the internal EEPROM containing the USB PID to 0, effectively 17:37 < fenn> bricking the device." 17:37 < kanzure> oh i thought you were referring to my scheme 17:37 < kanzure> yeah my scheme would probably solve that if you could convince the original manufacturer and the supply-buyers at the "end" of the supply chain. 17:37 < kanzure> (i don't know if people call it an end) 17:38 < fenn> this whole idea of "official malware" gives me the creeps 17:38 < kanzure> what, code-signed malware? 17:39 < fenn> ""An official recent Windows driver ... bricks the device" 17:39 < fenn> its like the sony rootkit audio cd-roms 17:40 < kanzure> that sounds like normal buggy firmware that bricks devices anyway, what's new about that 17:40 < fenn> it's not a bug, it's an anti-feature 17:41 < fenn> sounds like it's undocumented too (secret) 17:41 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:c4c8:8ca0:2f8b:dca1] has quit [Quit: off to europe, back in a couple weeks] 17:43 < kanzure> hmm http://www.nepcon.net/newsroom/chain-custody-certification-myth 17:48 < kanzure> "In particular, there is no systematic way of tracking transactions between certified companies, and that’s where the biggest potential for double-dealing lies. - See more at: http://www.nepcon.net/newsroom/chain-custody-certification-myth#sthash.ayDZBAwO.dpuf" 17:48 < kanzure> hahah 17:49 < kanzure> "This is the key reason why FSC has launched the Online Claims Platform (OCP) initiative, where buyers report traded volumes of FSC products online, whilst the supplier confirms the claims. This enables double-checking and confirming claims in near real time." 17:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 < fenn> “The idea that volume fraud can be uncovered by a pre-scheduled audit, in which an auditor walks around a factory and checks some procedures and invoices is simply unrealistic”. this is a totally different problem 17:53 < fenn> they could always stable a piece of crypto hardware to every product 17:53 < fenn> staple* 17:54 < kanzure> i'm not talking about crypto back doors 17:54 < kanzure> i'm talking about "buying a chip, reverse engineering it, making a copy, selling the copy a few hundred times" 17:54 < fenn> i just mean so you know it came from the factory you think it came from 17:55 < fenn> without the factory's private key, the crypto hardware won't give the correct challenge response 17:55 < fenn> i know it's too involved for most people to go through 17:55 < kanzure> you don't need hardware for this 17:56 < fenn> how so 17:56 < kanzure> one sec, on phone 17:56 < superkuh> Welp... now I'm on a Vinge binge. Thanks fenn. 17:57 < fenn> welcome. it's pronounced with a hard g (i think) 17:58 < fenn> er, soft g with a "ee" sound 18:03 < kanzure> fenn: it was about preventing forgeries 18:04 < fenn> i'm sure the blockchain is involved somehow... 18:04 < fenn> what was your "anti-replay oracle" thing 18:05 < kanzure> anti-replay oracle is just my pet name for describing the function of the blockchain 18:05 < fenn> so how do you 'spend' a certificate of authenticity (i.e. invalidate it) 18:05 < kanzure> it's just a bitcoin transaction 18:06 < kanzure> you tie the product to the scarcity of bitcoin because your product doesn't have actual scarcity 18:06 < kanzure> (still on phone) 18:06 < fenn> say you have a chip, let's say it's an ft232 usb to serial adapter 18:06 < kanzure> there are two things you sell, the chip and a bitcoin transaction 18:06 < fenn> how do you know if it was manufactured by ftdi 18:06 < kanzure> ftdi would need some way of publishing evidence i think. 18:06 < fenn> someone could have taken the stickers off genuine chips and put them on counterfeit chips 18:07 < kanzure> there would be no stickers 18:07 < fenn> then they copied the serial numbers, whatever 18:07 < kanzure> i don't care about markings on the product 18:07 < fenn> how do you keep the product and certificate bound together then 18:07 < kanzure> (they are nice for identification purposes, and should be there, but it's not necessary for this scheme) 18:07 < kanzure> well, your customers should demand both two things. 18:08 < fenn> ok so your customer demands both and gets a genuine certificate and a counterfeit product 18:08 < kanzure> that's fine. that can only happen once. where'd the real one go? :) 18:08 < fenn> into someone else's product who wasn't as upstanding a citizen 18:09 < fenn> they both get (counterfeit value - genuine value)/2 of a discount on price 18:10 < kanzure> hmm. 18:10 < fenn> you might ask "why not just sell counterfeit chips" and the answer is that they sell to two markets this way 18:11 < fenn> er, three markets instead of two 18:12 < fenn> 1) people who only buy certified genuine chips and check the certificate 2) people who only buy genuine chips 3) people who buy counterfeit chips 18:13 < fenn> the certificates have value separate from the product itself 18:13 < fenn> and there's no way to tie the two together afaik 18:15 < fenn> then there's the issue of counterfeit certificates... 18:29 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:35 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:01 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@c-73-168-26-243.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@c-73-168-26-243.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:01 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:26 < kanzure> okay back 19:26 < kanzure> fenn: counterfeit bitcoin transactions? how? 19:27 < kanzure> fenn: so yes, it would require that customers start caring about authenticity or original manufacturer 19:36 < kanzure> they took down ted chiang >:( http://web.archive.org/web/20110729215301/http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/under.htm 19:43 < fenn> do you have the 15k science fiction book torrent? 19:44 < kanzure> no 19:45 < fenn> maybe it was 12k, i forget the original source but it's quite well curated 19:45 < fenn> not 100% complete (as if there is such a thing) but good enough to be a more reliable source than google 19:53 < fenn> apparently the base set is known as "13130" and was produced by mazzeltjes 19:54 < kanzure> .g mazzeltjes 19:54 < yoleaux> http://www.mazzeltjes.nl/ 19:54 < kanzure> .title 19:54 < yoleaux> Mazzeltjes kinderkleding 19:54 < fenn> wrong mazzeltjes 19:54 < kanzure> yeah. hm. 19:54 < kanzure> well if soviet cosmonauts can smell mugs.. 19:55 < kanzure> or sell 20:09 < fenn> well its taking a long time to get metadata for 17787 files 20:14 < Viper168> smelling mugs would be a weird power 20:20 < fenn> well damn this torrent looks correct but no trackers peers or seeds 20:20 < kanzure> file sharing sucks these days 20:35 < fenn> maybe it will return from the dead magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6aabb391f18bc6565efdb8b92e72eeb5aa485bf9 20:35 < kanzure> if you close your eyes and wish real hard 20:35 < fenn> well i have 75% of it 20:36 < fenn> there ought to be AI that can sort books and authors by now 20:37 < fenn> something something compression distance matching 20:39 < kanzure> why can't i insert a nickle and get unlimited data out of a giant database 20:39 < fenn> cat /dev/random 20:39 < fenn> you just have to search for what you want 20:39 < kanzure> listening to universal entropy is a slow way to get specific data 20:43 < fenn> http://hyperdiscordia.crywalt.com/library_of_babel.html 20:44 < kanzure> very cliche, a story from jorge luis berges 20:45 < fenn> i can never keep straight which is which; they are basically interchangeable 20:46 < kanzure> each story? 20:46 < kanzure> or maybe there's a second borges that i have been mistaking for the other one 20:47 < fenn> the true borges 20:47 < kanzure> i like the idea of nsh running around authoring stories under other people's names 20:48 < kanzure> nsh has definitely done at least one of the borges stories 20:48 < kanzure> a good role model for chaotic neutral, or chaotic obscura maybe 20:49 < fenn> http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/00/pwillen1/lit/borg&i.htm 20:50 < kanzure> there should be a science fiction checklist or scoring thing, it wouldn't be too hard 20:50 < kanzure> and it would be a logarithmic scale 20:50 < fenn> pretty sure that last one is a counterfeit 20:51 < kanzure> his fault for not using pgp 20:51 < fenn> he was before pgp 20:51 < kanzure> yes i know. 20:53 < fenn> ugh why do we have to respect the copyrights of dead people 20:53 -!- kumavis_ [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 < kanzure> meh 21:01 < fenn> there's basically no reason i shouldnt be able to find "the other borges" online 21:23 < fenn> Perhaps my old age and fearfulness deceive me, but I suspect that the human species -- the unique species -- is about to be extinguished, but the Library will endure: illuminated, solitary, infinite, perfectly motionless, equipped with precious volumes, useless, incorruptible, secret. 21:26 -!- upgrayeddd [sid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mwshmpsvyuyistwh] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 21:39 < kanzure> how the hell can you expect the library to endure when i can only read two pages at a time on google books 21:51 < fenn> if you can read more than two pages at a time from a book i'd like to hear how 21:51 < fenn> if you rip pages out and scatter them on the floor, it's not a book anymore 21:54 < kanzure> first you take lots of drugs 21:54 < kanzure> then you make all your friends read it for you 22:09 < kanzure> $ ./jot count 22:09 < kanzure> 1721 22:25 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eewhpvknfqtfrgoz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:32 < fenn> i wonder what this is http://torrentus.si/65664105/test-irc-bookz-2003-2014-torrents.html 22:35 < fenn> based on the file sizes it would seem there are about 300-350GB of books there 22:43 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:46 -!- Vutral__ [~ss@176.10.107.228] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:48 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@31.7.56.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:50 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/35/11844 22:50 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1523%2FJNEUROSCI.4642-12.2014 22:56 < sheena> so i have a sample vide finally to play with 22:57 < sheena> nmz787: but im trying to figure out where teh code has any threshold 22:57 < fenn> looks like #bookz downloads about 200MB of books per day from .. somewhere with a lot o books: (warning huge text file) http://fennetic.net/irc/bookz_filelist_all.txt 23:43 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.54.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:47 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: snuffeluffegus, Daeken, thundara, bkero, sivoais, kanzure, drazak, hehelleshin, JayDugger, docl_, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kanzure --- Log closed Fri Oct 24 00:00:09 2014