--- Day changed Sat Nov 29 2014 00:02 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:04 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:45 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:58 < fenn> "does anyone have anything constructive to say?" what a dick 00:58 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:02 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:33 -!- dvorkbjel [~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38 -!- dvorkbjel [~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:53 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:53 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:58 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16 < archels> kanzure: too bad I missed russell0 02:17 < archels> that was about 4 AM my time 02:27 < archels> their crowdfunding campaign is very optimistic... both in terms of funding goal and perks 02:27 < archels> "We will put your name on Brain Backups waiting list, in order of receipt. This means that once we have perfected the brain backup, you could be downloading your brain onto your computer!" 02:27 < archels> ($75) 02:32 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:35 < ebowden> paperbot: http://jad.sagepub.com/content/17/5/410.short 02:35 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1177%2F1087054712446173 02:35 -!- Vutral [L5OhqVwKcF@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:58 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:02 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04 < ebowden> Damn. 03:04 < ebowden> Link doesn't work. 03:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@2a02:810b:33f:dc18:b854:d929:2b10:77c3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@2a02:810b:33f:dc18:b854:d929:2b10:77c3] has quit [Changing host] 03:28 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:31 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@ps357888.dreamhost.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:38 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:39 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:40 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dqtguezpegsickzz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:35 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 04:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@ps357888.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:59 -!- ademoglu [~ademoglu@unaffiliated/ademoglu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 06:09 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:27 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dqtguezpegsickzz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:27 < kanzure> archels: in the future i could call you if you want, or some other obnoxious way of waking you up 06:28 < kanzure> haha: 06:28 < kanzure> 21:36 This fenn guy has a crappy attitude 06:28 < kanzure> 21:50 Do you agree? 06:44 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- Baube [~Baube@64.229.103.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- Baube [~Baube@64.229.103.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:19 < archels> hehe, could go for that. 07:19 < archels> or just get the character back in here at a decent hour of the day 07:25 < archels> speaking of neurons https://imgur.com/a/09Hf3/noscript 07:28 -!- yottabit [uid36770@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfsbhhqgttnqdhrt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:34 < kanzure> "I made this functioning neuron that uses a stacks of blocks as analogs to sodium and potassium ions to simulate an action potential in minecraft. I only included sodium and potassium in this model." 07:34 < kanzure> "Gold pressure plate can be thought of as a binding site for neurotransmitters. As the number of sprites released from dropper grows, the signal from plate increases. The quantity of items in chest determines the threshold for stimulation." 07:34 < kanzure> "Once the "neurotransmitters have bound," the torch will be extinguished, and the hoppers they power will be able to draw "ions" from the chest." 07:34 < kanzure> "The box on the left represents the extracellular concentration of sodium (initially high). Stacks will be drawn out and "diffuse" into the intracellular chest." 07:35 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:37 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:38 < archels> "And here is a brain in situ. And I mean, just look at it again, occupies the same universe as tooth enamel, or earwax or nasal hair, and yet it does so much more." 07:38 < archels> -- Susan Greenfield 07:40 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.179.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:02 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvfqrxmczfyalhdw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:05 -!- Vutral [L5OhqVwKcF@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:30 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:47 < bbrittain> paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09296171003643098#.VHi-nJPF8fQ 08:47 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1080%2F09296171003643098 08:47 < bbrittain> paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/09296171003643098 08:47 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1080%2F09296171003643098 08:47 < bbrittain> nooo 09:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:03 < bbrittain> that russel guy 09:03 < bbrittain> wow 09:04 < bbrittain> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945213001366 09:06 < kanzure> .title 09:06 < yoleaux> Elsevier 09:06 < kanzure> pfft 09:06 < chris_99> will france really let anyone who has a french IP use Elsevier for free soon? 09:10 -!- Vutral [HdtrgwGgOH@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 < bbrittain> kanzure: aro no Elsevier links working? :/ 09:25 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-196-206-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-23-20-191-43.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:00 < kanzure> hard to know 10:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@2a02:810b:33f:dc18:b854:d929:2b10:77c3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:15 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@2a02:810b:33f:dc18:b854:d929:2b10:77c3] has quit [Changing host] 10:15 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28 < yottabit> is gnusha back up or is paperbot running someone's own server? 10:28 < yottabit> +on 10:28 < yottabit> k, it's back up 10:31 < yottabit> hm, will have to create an irssi conf 10:35 -!- Burn_ [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-71-191-174-26.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:40 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- Boscop__ [~me@e102.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- Boscop_ [me@188.126.91.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:56 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:56 -!- jrayhawk_ [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:01 -!- Vutral [HdtrgwGgOH@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:02 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@2a02:810b:33f:dc18:b854:d929:2b10:77c3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:02 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@2a02:810b:33f:dc18:b854:d929:2b10:77c3] has quit [Changing host] 11:02 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:08 < kanzure> http://underhandedcrypto.com/rules/ "The Underhanded Crypto contest was inspired by the famous Underhanded C Contest, which is a contest for producing C programs that look correct, yet are flawed in some subtle way that makes them behave inappropriately. This is a great model for demonstrating how hard code review is, and how easy it is to slip in a backdoor even when smart people are paying attention. We’d like to do the same for ... 11:08 < kanzure> ... cryptography. We want to see if you can design a cryptosystem that looks secure to experts, yet is backdoored or vulnerable in a subtle barely-noticable way. Can you design an encrypted chat protocol that looks secure to everyone who reviews it, but in reality lets anyone who knows some fixed key decrypt the messages? We’re also interested in clever ways to weaken existing crypto programs. Can you make a change to the OpenSSL ... 11:08 < kanzure> ... library that looks like you’re improving the random number generator, but actually breaks it and makes it produce predictable output?" 11:08 -!- hypersid [~sid@altersid.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09 -!- hypersid [~sid@altersid.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:12 -!- heath [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:12 < heath> yay, thanks for getting gnusha back up and requiring me to set a sane config :) 11:35 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- xuxu [~xuxu@unaffiliated/xuxu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- xuxu [~xuxu@unaffiliated/xuxu] has quit [Client Quit] 11:39 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:48 < nmz787> bbrittain: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Cutting_the_Gordian_Knot_The_Moving-Average_TypeToken_Ratio_MATTR.pdf 11:49 < nmz787> this says it is very similar (or the same in some cases) to a hough transform 11:49 < nmz787> .wik radon transform 11:49 < yoleaux> "In mathematics, the Radon transform in two dimensions, named after the Austrian mathematician Johann Radon, is the integral transform consisting of the integral of a function over straight lines. The transform was introduced in 1917 by Radon, who also provided a formula for the inverse transform." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon_transform 11:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 < nmz787> hahah, .wik funk transform 11:56 < nmz787> 'we need more funk!!!' 12:07 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:26 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:35 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:37 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:41 < bbrittain> nmz787: you are awesome, thanks 12:43 < bbrittain> I have eaten so much food in the last couple of days, I'm going to explode 12:43 < bbrittain> or, I'm just gonna go get another piece of pumpkin pie 12:48 < kanzure> good plan 12:48 < nmz787> I gutted a few wild ducks that someone shot and dropped off at my friend's... they tasted different for sure... went home and looked up the history of chicken later that night 12:48 < bbrittain> imo, any free food I can eat at my parents is a good idea 12:49 < bbrittain> now I'm reading about chickens 12:57 < kanzure> what's the full-body dose of xrays in a whole-body scan? 12:58 < bbrittain> as in what TSA uses? 12:58 < kanzure> no 12:58 < kanzure> CT 13:00 < bbrittain> kanzure: http://www.columbia.edu/~djb3/papers/radiol3.pdf 13:00 < bbrittain> 14-21 mGy 13:02 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:04 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@131.252.130.250] has quit [Changing host] 13:04 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@unaffiliated/nmz787] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 < kanzure> paperbot: http://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/radiol.2511081300 13:11 < kanzure> .title 13:11 < yoleaux> RSNA Publications Online 13:11 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1148%2Fradiol.2511081300 13:11 < kanzure> "well it isnt 1/10,000, it was 1 DEATH in 1200 scans." 13:11 < kanzure> people die all the time 13:15 < kanzure> http://venturebeat.com/2014/11/20/cambrian-genomics-ceo-says-his-company-just-raised-10m-to-print-more-dna/ 13:16 < kanzure> "The funding round was described in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Thursday. The round has a total of 127 participants, and Cambrian isn’t talking about who led the round or how much the participants contributed." 13:16 < bbrittain> cambrian genomics, I wanna beleive... but... 13:16 < kanzure> "Heinz spoke yesterday at the DEMO conference about one of the companies in Cambrian’s new accelerator program. The company, called Personal Probiotics, uses Cambrian’s “Creature Creator” to print a special virus that kills off microbes in the vagina that cause yeast infections and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)." 13:16 < bbrittain> exactly. 13:16 < kanzure> "The product, called “Sweet Peach,” also reduces vaginal odor, which is what most in the media have seized upon, and not in a way that was very complimentary, or fair, to Cambrian. The pleasant “peach” odor is created as an indicator that it is working within the woman’s body, Heinz said." 13:17 < kanzure> bbrittain: i don't know what you're skeptical about here 13:17 < bbrittain> uhhh 13:17 < bbrittain> valid point 13:17 < bbrittain> bitcoin? not skeptical. 13:17 < bbrittain> open hardware? yay \o/ 13:17 < kanzure> have you met anselm? http://anselmlevskaya.com/ 13:18 < bbrittain> nah, not personally 13:21 -!- yottabit [uid36770@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfsbhhqgttnqdhrt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:22 < nmz787> hrmm, I can't find the log of the talk about becoming a library to get paper access (or was that a dream?) 13:24 < kanzure> haha "its based on epidemiological data mostly from atomic bomb exposures it appears from that paper" 13:24 < kanzure> "yes i do all of my xray imaging only in the presence of atomic bomb blasts" 13:24 < bbrittain> awk 13:24 < kanzure> how much atmospheric fallout would be required to take usable images of bones? 13:35 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:36 < nmz787> huh https://github.com/nmz787/ProteinShop/issues/1 13:37 < nmz787> dang I can't remember much about this repo, I remember doing some kind of find-replace on some outdated library and getting it to compile and open... but I can't remember if it was working/stable (or if that is even what got committed to that repo) 13:39 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:53 < nmz787> so mit or gpl2 for an rs232 sniffer circuit? 13:53 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nchem/journal/v6/n11/full/nchem.2083.html 13:56 < kanzure> .title 13:56 < yoleaux> DNA brick crystals with prescribed depths : Nature Chemistry : Nature Publishing Group 13:56 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnchem.2083 13:56 < kanzure> "ere, we describe a general framework for constructing two-dimensional crystals with prescribed depths and sophisticated three-dimensional features. The crystals are self-assembled from single-stranded DNA components called DNA bricks. We demonstrate the experimental construction of DNA brick crystals that can grow to micrometre size in their lateral dimensions with precisely controlled depths up to 80 nm. They can be designed to pack ... 13:56 < kanzure> ... DNA helices at angles parallel or perpendicular to the plane of the crystal and to display user-specified sophisticated three-dimensional nanoscale features, such as continuous or discontinuous cavities and channels." 13:56 < kanzure> *Here, 13:57 < kanzure> supplementary info http://www.nature.com/nchem/journal/v6/n11/extref/nchem.2083-s1.pdf 14:02 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:08 < kanzure> .to eudoxia: someone linked to your page here http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/11/dna-nanotechnology-breaking-through.html 14:08 < yoleaux> kanzure: What kind of a name is "eudoxia:"?! 14:08 < kanzure> .to eudoxia someone linked to your page here http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/11/dna-nanotechnology-breaking-through.html 14:08 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to eudoxia. 14:08 < kanzure> :( 14:11 -!- Boscop_ [me@46.246.78.102] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/141020/srep06612/full/srep06612.html?WT.ec_id=SREP-639-20141021 14:11 < kanzure> .title 14:11 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fsrep06612 14:11 < yoleaux> Direct Laser Writing of Nanodiamond Films from Graphite under Ambient Conditions : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group 14:11 -!- Boscop_ [me@46.246.78.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11 < kanzure> "The technique works by using a multilayered film that includes a layer of graphite topped with a glass cover sheet. Exposing this layered structure to an ultrafast-pulsing laser instantly converts the graphite to an ionized plasma and creates a downward pressure. Then the graphite plasma quickly solidifies into diamond. The glass sheet confines the plasma to keep it from escaping, allowing it to form a nanodiamond coating. 14:11 -!- Boscop [~me@46.246.78.102] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- Boscop [~me@46.246.78.102] has quit [Changing host] 14:11 -!- Boscop [~me@unaffiliated/boscop] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 < nmz787> hmm https://wiki.rit.edu/display/smfl/Tool+Set 14:12 < nmz787> https://wiki.rit.edu/display/smfl/Services+Offered 14:13 < nmz787> kanzure: what wavelength? 14:13 < nmz787> kanzure: I've seen papers that convert graphite to graphene I think 14:14 < kanzure> not sure what wavelength 14:14 < kanzure> "t is noteworthy that due to the local high dense confined plasma created by transparent confinement layer, nanodiamond has been formed at laser intensity as low as 3.7 GW/cm2, which corresponds to pressure of 4.4 GPa, much lower than the pressure needed to transform graphite to diamond traditionally. 14:14 -!- Boscop__ [~me@e102.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15 < nmz787> "The conversion efficiency depends on the laser intensity, repetition rate and wavelength. With higher laser intensity, the ionized carbon atoms accumulate higher kinetic energy and thus can be converted into higher percentage of nanodiamond. With shorter wavelength, e.g. deep UV laser, higher energy the photons will carry to interact with graphite, resulting in higher kinetic energy of carbon atoms. In terms of processing speed, if ... 14:15 < nmz787> ... equipped with high power diode pump solid state (DPSS) laser with frequency of 50–100 kHz and a beam scanner, CPLD can generate nanodiamond thin films under ambient conditions with commercial scale." 14:17 < kanzure> patterned thin films would seem to be far more important if that's what they have there 14:17 < kanzure> but they don't mention patterning really 14:17 < nmz787> "The laser intensity used in the present experiment was comparatively lower (>3.7GW/cm^2) than the Nagel criterion threshold which is 50 GW/cm^2 for laser having wavelength of 1064 nm. Yet, we have clear evidence of nanodiamond formation."" 14:18 < nmz787> fig 1 C) is the film 14:18 < nmz787> looks cracked 14:18 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18 < nmz787> fig 2 SEM 14:18 < nmz787> can't tell if it is confluent, but seems not 14:19 < nmz787> err, connected 14:19 < nmz787> all the little rocks 14:19 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:19 < nmz787> would probably make great sandpaper/grinding-slurry 14:21 < nmz787> "To characterize the HRTEM images with Titan 80–300 KV Environmental Electron Microscope, the sample was prepared by dispersing the produced nanodiamonds into toluene, then dip coating onto formvar TEM grid, finally soft baking to drive out the solvent. The sheet resistances were measured on a Jandel RM3-AR four point probing system" 14:22 < nmz787> so I wonder what a slice of a stanard diamond looks like compared to Fig 6 b) 14:22 < nmz787> standard* 14:22 < nmz787> or CVD diamong 14:22 < nmz787> diamond 14:22 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/092596359290061R 14:22 < nmz787> .title 14:22 < yoleaux> TEM observations of diamond films prepared by microwave plasma CVD 14:23 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682212004618 14:23 < kanzure> .title 14:23 < yoleaux> A fully decompressed synthetic bacteriophage øX174 genome assembled and archived in yeast 14:23 < kanzure> "The 5386 nucleotide bacteriophage øX174 genome has a complicated architecture that encodes 11 gene products via overlapping protein coding sequences spanning multiple reading frames. We designed a 6302 nucleotide synthetic surrogate, øX174.1, that fully separates all primary phage protein coding sequences along with cognate translation control elements." 14:23 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20A%20fully%20decompressed%20synthetic%20bacteriophage%20X174%20genome%20assembled%20and%20archived%20in%20yeast%0A%20.pdf 14:23 < kanzure> oh come on that pdf is available on their site 14:23 < kanzure> pfft 14:25 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jagi.2013.4.issue-3/jagi-2013-0008/jagi-2013-0008.xml?format=INT 14:25 < kanzure> .title 14:25 < yoleaux> The Prospects of Whole Brain Emulation within the next Half- Century : Journal of Artificial General Intelligence 14:28 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/brain-emulation/The%20prospects%20of%20whole%20brain%20emulation%20within%20the%20next%20half-century.pdf 14:31 < nmz787> paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7994958&fileId=S1946427400034485 14:31 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1557%2FPROC-0989-A16-04 14:32 < nmz787> hmm, http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Application_of_Diamond-Like_Nanocomposite_Tribological_Coatings_on_LIGA_Microsystem_Parts.pdf 14:33 < nmz787> that has a comparable image in fig 11 14:35 < kanzure> "The spatial resolution of MRI for brain scanning purposes has seen roughly exponential improvement for a number of decades. (Figure 2)" 14:36 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 < kanzure> "If the trend for MRI continues, the resolution in 2063 will be between 1 and 10 microns. (Kurzweil, 2012) This resolution is an order of magnitude too large to see synapses ..." 14:36 < kanzure> this seems like some really sloppy thinking 14:39 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:40 < kanzure> i regret reading this article at all 14:43 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 14:46 < bbrittain> if it quotes kurzweil, it might be trash 14:47 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:b599:7e01:1594:1045] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:48 < kanzure> right 14:51 < kanzure> "Initial design of a lightweight Mars aircraft mission" https://lochief.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/paper.pdf (author comments: ) 14:51 < kanzure> er, not sure why it's only 12 minutes of glide time 14:52 < bbrittain> no atmosphere to speak of? 14:52 < chris_99> you guys seen this - http://www.instructables.com/id/A-Low-Cost-Atomic-Force-Microscope-%E4%BD%8E%E6%88%90%E6%9C%AC%E5%8E%9F%E5%AD%90%E5%8A%9B%E9%A1%AF%E5%BE%AE%E9%8F%A1/?ALLSTEPS 14:53 < superkuh> Not that one in particular but I've see write-ups of the scored piezo design before. 14:54 < chris_99> aha 14:54 < bbrittain> ugh. the MOLA data isn't from google, it's from wustl/NASA 14:55 < bbrittain> but other than that, interesting paper 15:00 < chris_99> i wonder if you could use an AFM on an LP ;) 15:02 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 < nmz787> chris_99: LP being what? 15:03 < chris_99> record 15:03 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:03 < nmz787> ok, hah, Lunar Probe 15:04 < chris_99> heh 15:14 < nmz787> anyone in here have kicad and can try this on their machine for errors? https://github.com/nmz787/rs232-sniffer 15:14 < pasky> chris_99: i don't get that instructable - it's basically just about building a platform, but what about the sensing equipment itself? 15:15 < pasky> aiui it uses components from a dvd rom but has no details how to wire them up and get pictures from the whole thing 15:15 < chris_99> yeah i'm not sure tbh, i'm just reading http://www.eng.utah.edu/~lzang/images/Lecture_10_AFM.pdf atm, as i don't know much about AFM 15:17 < nmz787> pasky: most likely you need a microcontroller with a DAC and ADC 15:17 < chris_99> so i'm somewhat confused, the piezos are somehow used to move the object being scanned? or are they for sensing 15:18 < nmz787> pasky: this $20 dev board or $100 LabTool device would probably suffice http://www.lpcware.com/content/project/application-example-using-lpc4370-and-labtool-hardware 15:18 < nmz787> (the labtool has the analog front-ends while the dev board would need those built) 15:19 < nmz787> I think the idea is you move with the piezos, but also pulse the whole unit to get tapping... or maybe the tapper is a separate control 15:19 < nmz787> and then you sense the back-EMF or something 15:19 < nmz787> like motor speed control 15:19 < chris_99> so hmm, the piezos create tiny vibrations, which shuffle the sample? 15:20 < nmz787> but instead you'd use the back EMF as the Z in your image 15:20 < nmz787> Z/intensity 15:20 < kanzure> usually you don't shuffle the sample, you just move it relative to your tip 15:21 < kanzure> the piezos create physical movement ("vibrations") 15:21 < chris_99> yeah i meant the piezos did the shuffling 15:22 < pasky> hmm what's the cantilever in this setup? 15:22 < pasky> (from the presentation chris_99 linked) 15:22 < nmz787> even the labtool may need a decent op-amp for buffering, but I honestly don't know the power requirements 15:22 < kanzure> "shuffling: move (people or things) around so as to occupy different positions or to be in a different order." 15:22 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22 < kanzure> not quite... by applying a current to a piezo you can tilt and move surfaces 15:23 < nmz787> (for buffering the output, not the input) 15:23 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:23 < nmz787> (for input conditioning if anything you might need a nice sense resistor) 15:24 < nmz787> like here https://github.com/securelyfitz/FitzSPA 15:26 < chris_99> why is that instructable one, 1000$, is it the actual CNCing the platform that's costly 15:28 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29 < pasky> oh i see the cantilever is the "AFM probe" they briefly mention 15:29 < pasky> and you are supposed to just buy that 15:29 < chris_99> oh that's somewhat dissapointing 15:30 < chris_99> unless that's cheap 15:30 < pasky> i wondered because these super-sharp diamond tips seemed like the most difficult part :) 15:30 < nmz787> oh, I was wrong about the back-EMF (though that idea is probably used somewhere)... but in that case you use the photodiode from the DVD player/writer 15:30 < pasky> i wonder 15:30 < chris_99> oh pasky just the probe itself, not the laser stuff? 15:30 < nmz787> the probes are expensive 15:30 < chris_99> ah, maybe that's why its costly then 15:31 < nmz787> but beam-deflection AFM probes are some of the cheapest 15:33 < pasky> can't find separate probes on ebay 15:33 < pasky> what ballpark price range are we talking about? 15:33 < chris_99> i found someone on alibaba that sells, but no price 15:33 < nmz787> so this one has 4 piezos for XY, and one for Z it seems 15:34 < nmz787> the cost depends mainly on the size of the probe 15:35 < chris_99> http://www.spmtips.com/afm-tip-hires-c15-cr-au so i've no idea what i selected, but 400 euro 15:35 < chris_99> for 5 chips 15:36 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 < pasky> chris_99: so as far as i understand the design, you use piezos to move the sample in x/y planes and to oscillate the probe 400khz in z plane; you use the dvd gear to detect tiny differences in probe position (in down position i suppose) fast enough, and build the images from collected samples of probe z positions 15:36 < chris_99> yeah the dvd laser is to reflect off the cantilever right? 15:36 < pasky> aiui yes 15:37 < nmz787> not the dvd gear 15:37 < nmz787> the tip as it vibrates will have an average position 15:38 < nmz787> a laser reflects from the tip to enter the DVD sensor (OPU) 15:38 < nmz787> there is a few photodiodes in there 15:38 < pasky> yes but the laser is also from the dvd 15:38 < chris_99> OPU? 15:38 < nmz787> and you can sense how far away from the center the beam is deflected 15:38 < nmz787> optical pickup unit 15:38 < chris_99> ah 15:38 < nmz787> so as the tip deflects from the average position being at center 15:39 < nmz787> you track that difference and call it image intensity at that X/Y coord 15:39 < kanzure> laser reflects not from the tip but from the cantilever 15:39 < kanzure> cantilever has some deflection/bend amount 15:39 < nmz787> ah, yeah 15:39 < kanzure> also i don't recall if it must be a laser 15:39 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40 < chris_99> so the amplitude in the photodector is what you essentially record? 15:41 < nmz787> either amplitude of the output or some function of the three (I think) photodiodes in the OPU 15:41 < nmz787> so you can determine which side it was deflected toward 15:41 < nmz787> or maybe there are 5 photodiodes 15:41 < nmz787> i can't remember 15:42 < pasky> http://www.spmtips.com/afm-tip-hq-nsc15-cr-au-bs is significantly cheaper, too; 390 eur for 15 chips... but i have no idea which tips are appropriate 15:42 -!- Russell_ [~textual@cpe-74-73-107-82.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 < pasky> anyway, this is pretty cool! 15:43 < chris_99> do you reckon you could use this instead of SEM to image a silicon chip? 15:43 < nmz787> http://www.researchgate.net/publication/258250338_Operation_of_astigmatic-detection_atomic_force_microscopy_in_liquid_environments/links/0046352a7b75383b0d000000 15:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:43 < nmz787> chris_99: depends on the resolution you're interested in 15:44 < nmz787> and how much you can spend on a tip, and how long they last 15:44 < chris_99> ah yeah didn't think of them as disposable 15:44 < chris_99> *consumable 15:46 < nmz787> I think investigating DIY SEM needs more interest 15:46 < nmz787> I wonder if Ben Krasnow documented his design anywhere 15:47 < chris_99> not that i know of 15:47 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:47 < chris_99> you should shoot him an email, i asked him a question about his CT machine, and he was very helpful 15:50 < nmz787> yeah same when I asked about CO2 stuff last year 15:50 < chris_99> :) 15:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@147.69.179.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:21 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:22 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@D549A77D.cm-10-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 16:24 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:29 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:36 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:36 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:39 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:48 < heath> 12:43 < bbrittain> or, I'm just gonna go get another piece of pumpkin pie 16:48 * heath votes on the extra slice of pumpkin pie 16:49 * heath sips on his pumpkin pie smoothie 16:55 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:28 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:45 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@unaffiliated/nmz787] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 18:01 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:08 < bbrittain> I just aite the last piece of pumpkin pie :( 18:08 < bbrittain> also 18:08 < bbrittain> http://vimeo.com/108650530 18:08 < bbrittain> . title 18:08 < bbrittain> .title 18:08 < yoleaux> Wanderers - a short film by Erik Wernquist on Vimeo 18:08 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:29 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31 < delinquentme> bbrittain, +1 18:33 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.cell.com/cell-stem-cell/abstract/S1934-5909%2812%2900173-7 18:33 < kanzure> .title 18:33 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page. 18:36 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:40 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:05 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:20 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:23 < kanzure> "Intelligence without representation" http://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/papers/representation.pdf 19:23 < kanzure> pasky: maaku__: fenn: there is a thing about agi. 19:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:36 -!- Russell_ [~textual@cpe-74-73-107-82.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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AI researchers found themselves forced to become relevant. They moved into more practical domains, such as trip planning and going to a restaurant, etc." 20:33 < kanzure> lost all my tabs :( 20:34 < catern> it's like a hard reset to the brain 20:36 < nmz787> 'everytime someone loses their tabs, a server dies' 20:36 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:40 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:47 < kanzure> http://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/papers/how-to-build.pdf 20:47 < kanzure> so maybe i'm just not understanding the context of when these were written 20:47 < kanzure> but it seems to me that making a robot bump around is not an ai problem really 20:54 < kanzure> ah here we go http://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/papers/prospects.pdf 20:54 < kanzure> "When a humanoid robot is placed in a room with many artifacts around it, why should it interact with them at all?" 21:03 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@pool-173-57-37-204.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 < kanzure> hi genehacker 21:08 < fenn> nihilist robot is nihilist 21:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:09 < kanzure> "determine the purpose of the room, execute the purpose, then destroy the room" 21:09 < kanzure> oh how about "kill all humans"? that's a good one 21:09 < fenn> just "destroy! destroy!" 21:10 < kanzure> i imagine it is like being an angry alzheimer's patient 21:10 < kanzure> "why the hell am i here?" 21:10 < kanzure> "have you seen my input?" 21:10 < fenn> or a student 21:11 < kanzure> ah you mean the default should be to complain loudly? 21:11 < fenn> i mean students have no reason for existence 21:12 < kanzure> to learn? 21:12 < fenn> i notice when my cat is stuck indoors for a long time she gets antsy and starts tearing things up; i feel that robots should have similar instincts and this is a huge and unresolved issue in ai and robotics 21:13 < kanzure> presumably a well built ai should quickly switch from one task to another without any interruptions ever 21:13 < fenn> all that asimov bullshit is just so unrealistic 21:13 < kanzure> except for when planning is taking unusually long or something, but even then you could just switch to some other less planning-intense task 21:13 < kanzure> hm? 21:13 < kanzure> which particular asimov bullshit are you thinking about? 21:14 < fenn> the idea that you can build a perfectly rational machine that works as intended and never makes mistakes 21:14 < kanzure> oh, i wasn't trying to reference that idea 21:14 < fenn> most of his books were about how the machines don't work as intended, but for the most part they do 21:15 < fenn> if a machine has perfect patience it will probably just sit waiting for some input that will never happen 21:15 < kanzure> "Prospects for human-level intelligence for humanoid robots" doesn't talk about human-level intelligence at all 21:16 < genehacker> if it talks about motorskills, you're understating it 21:19 < fenn> i like the story about the air force computer mistaking the moon for incoming nuclear missiles 21:20 < fenn> and the man who mistook his wife for a hat 21:20 < kanzure> maybe he should stop wearing his wife like a hat 21:26 < fenn> "Dr. Sacks meets twin brothers who can neither read nor perform multiplication, yet are playing a "game" of finding very large prime numbers. While the twins were able to spontaneously generate these numbers, from six to twenty digits, Sacks had to resort to a book of prime numbers to join in with them." 21:26 < fenn> untrusted wetware :( 21:26 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26 < genehacker> dammit why do computers have to be so dumb 21:28 < kanzure> this author is a little strange. he has the right levels of skepticism about ai but then restricts all of his work to behavior and motor output or something. 21:30 < fenn> it's the behaviorist philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism 21:31 < kanzure> hmm 21:31 < fenn> "thought is covert speech" is demonstrably wrong 21:31 < fenn> but they didn't know that at the time 21:32 < kanzure> at what time? 21:32 < fenn> i want to say 1920s to 1960s 21:33 < kanzure> okay, so just some general vague they 21:33 < fenn> "scientists" 21:33 < fenn> you know, like in the news, "scientists discover that pigeons love playing poker" 21:33 < kanzure> is there a robo turing test, where you don't know if a robot is being operated by a human? 21:34 < kanzure> there should be an embodied turing test. 21:34 < fenn> and an embodied reverse turing test 21:34 < kanzure> i bet most kids would fail though 21:35 < fenn> you have to pick out the human among the robots 21:35 -!- comma8 [comma8@gateway/shell/yourbnc/x-iinbqhehvqhhggxb] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:35 < kanzure> this is some sort of high-level racism of some kind 21:36 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:37 < fenn> obviously you never watched star trek 21:37 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:40 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:44 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:b599:7e01:1594:1045] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44 < kanzure> "Challenges for brain emulation: Why is building a brain so difficult?" http://synapticlink.org/Brain%20Emulation%20Challenges.pdf 21:51 < kanzure> http://www.nengo.ca/ "Nengo is a graphical and scripting based software package for simulating large-scale neural systems. To use Nengo, you define groups of neurons in terms of what they represent, and then form connections between neural groups in terms of what computation should be performed on those representations. Nengo then uses the Neural Engineering Framework (NEF) to solve for the appropriate synaptic connection weights to ... 21:51 < kanzure> ... achieve this desired computation. Nengo also supports various kinds of learning. Nengo helps make detailed spiking neuron models that implement complex high-level cognitive algorithms. Among other things, Nengo has been used to implement motor control, visual attention, serial recall, action selection, working memory, attractor networks, inductive reasoning, path integration, and planning with problem solving (see the model archives ... 21:51 < kanzure> ... and publications for details)." 21:52 < kanzure> http://models.nengo.ca/spaun "Spaun is a biologically realistic model of cognition that is not only able to perform multiple (at least 10) cognitive, perceptual, and motor tasks, but also utilizes the same model parameters across all tasks. Spaun is able to perform tasks that encompass strictly visual tasks (e.g. recognition of handwritten digits), memory tasks (e.g. forward and backward recall of a list), simple cognitive tasks (e.g. ... 21:52 < kanzure> ... counting), and complex fluid intelligence tasks (e.g. solving the Raven's Progressive Matrices)." 21:53 < kanzure> http://nengo.ca/build-a-brain/ 21:53 < kanzure> hmm 21:54 < kanzure> "All of the control like steps (e.g. 'compared with', 'inferred', and routing information through the system), are implemented by a biologically plausible basal ganglia model. " 21:57 -!- maaku__ [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57 < kanzure> such charting http://nengo.ca/drupal/sites/nengo.ca/files/spaun_0.png 21:58 -!- comma8 [comma8@gateway/shell/yourbnc/x-fkutxzpyfcxhtoih] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:00 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:00 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:00 -!- maaku is now known as Guest17879 22:07 < nmz787> black friday at best buy and office depot was kind crazy... they had quad-core intel atom tablets for $40 22:08 < nmz787> it is so friggin crazy to me that an ENTIRE computer is now $40 (screen, input, GPS, wifi, speakers, camera) 22:08 < fenn> how much does it actually cost to build a tablet? 22:09 < fenn> don't forget battery 22:09 < nmz787> in dollars it must be less than or around that (but they had a huge bin full of them at best buy around 7PM last night, which is quite late) 22:09 < nmz787> in person hours I have no idea 22:09 < fenn> a huge bin full? did you take a picture? 22:10 < nmz787> I did not 22:10 < nmz787> it was like 3 ft high 22:10 < nmz787> the screen color was pretty bad and low-res too, but it was quad friggin core (512 MB RAM) 22:11 < fenn> apparently allwinner A33 tv plugs are "quad core" 22:11 < nmz787> they also aren't sold at best buy, and don't have screens and input 22:11 < fenn> sure, but it's a kinda crappy cpu 22:12 < nmz787> oh, apparently still $40 with free shipping http://www.bestbuy.com/site/digiland-7-8gb-black/8610212.p?id=1219354106671&skuId=8610212 22:12 < nmz787> 'MediaTek MTK8127 Cortex-A7' 22:12 < nmz787> wait 22:12 < nmz787> that isn't an atom 22:12 < nmz787> i guess office depot had the atom 22:13 < kanzure> "Eye movements during comprehension of spoken scene descriptions" http://eyethink.org/resources/lab_papers/Spivey2000_Eye_movements_duri.pdf 22:13 < kanzure> "A recent eyetracking experiment has indicated that, while staring at a blank white display, participants engaged in imagery tend to make eye movements that mimic the directionality of spatial expressions in the speech stream (Spivey & Geng, 2000). This result is consistent with a spatial mental models account of language comprehension (e.g., Johnson-Laird, 1983), adds a motor component to evidence for activation of perceptual mechanisms ... 22:13 < kanzure> ... during visual imagery (e.g., Kosslyn, Thompson, Kim, & Alpert, 1995), and fits with claims regarding the embodiment of cognition (e.g., Varela, Thompson, & Rosch, 1991). However, some methodological concerns remain. We report some preliminary observations, and a controlled experiment, in which these methodological concerns are resolved. We demonstrate that, even when the speech includes no instructions to imagine anything, and even ... 22:13 < kanzure> ... when participants’ eyes are closed, participants tend to make eye movements in the same direction (and especially along the same axis) as the described scene when listening to a spatially extended scene description.." 22:13 < kanzure> things associated with eye movement: ... actually i forgot the other fun things. 22:13 < kanzure> attention 22:14 < kanzure> long-term memory recall 22:15 < fenn> well that makes perfect sense 22:16 < fenn> "looking at stuff" 22:16 < nmz787> all, yes, here it is http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/429181/Apex-7-Tablet-8GB-Black-TM772/ 22:16 < fenn> nmz787 i've never seen a computer with built-in fm tuner before 22:16 < nmz787> oh, 1GB RAM, and 1.2GHz Intel® Atom™ Clovertrail Z2520 22:17 < nmz787> my old phone had one, I was upset a few days ago when I found my new phone lacked it 22:17 < kanzure> what happens if they introduce a scene description about an impossible mathematical shape 22:17 < nmz787> since I was interested in the radio program I was listening to in the car when I came home 22:17 < kanzure> do they become cross-eyed? 22:17 < kanzure> or go blind? 22:17 < fenn> kanzure: then the entire hive is thrown into disarray, pure genocide 22:19 < fenn> 50% post-consumer content - android tablets are people!!! 22:19 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@pool-173-57-37-204.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:21 < nmz787> lol 22:21 < nmz787> i kinda want one of these just to have around 22:21 < kanzure> i wonder what psychologists said about working memory before the working memory analogy 22:21 < nmz787> friggin cheaper than a raspberry pi 22:21 < fenn> "train of thought" 22:21 < kanzure> oh really? same thing? 22:21 * fenn shrugs 22:22 < fenn> i'm the wrong person to ask about what psychologists think 22:23 < kanzure> "you can remember anything you want, as long as you are okay with 8 weeks of cache warm up time" 22:24 < fenn> hey a turing machine can calculate anything, given enough time 22:25 < fenn> i wonder if someone's built a turing machine in minecraft out of mining carts moving back and forth 22:25 < kanzure> of course 22:26 < kanzure> .g site:youtube.com minecraft turing machine 22:26 < yoleaux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X21HQphy6I 22:26 < kanzure> praise youtube 22:28 < fenn> are those minecarts? it looks like the blocks are just moving around on their own 22:29 < kanzure> "redstone logic" 22:29 < kanzure> use youtube-dl -t to get titles 22:29 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:30 < fenn> i see the redstone... but what makes the tape move 22:37 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:40 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:43 < fenn> ok this is a little nuts 22:43 < fenn> .title http://aurellem.org/vba-clojure/html/total-control.html 22:43 < yoleaux> Pokemon Yellow Total Control Hack 22:45 < kanzure> https://github.com/papers-we-love/papers-we-love 22:45 < kanzure> fenn: you may be interested in https://github.com/kanzure/pokemon-reverse-engineering-tools/blob/vba-automation/pokemontools/vba/vba.py 22:45 < kanzure> originally my vba bindings were based on his (aurellem's) clojure bindings except i was using jython 22:45 < kanzure> until i wrote vba-linux 22:46 < kanzure> er wait, he wrote vba-linux 22:46 < kanzure> and then i wrote ctypes bindings 22:46 < kanzure> oh right, he wrote vba-clojure, and i renamed it to vba-linux 22:46 < fenn> what is vba? 22:47 < kanzure> some shitty emulator 22:47 < fenn> did they just not want to use a trademarked term? 22:47 < kanzure> visualboyadvance 22:48 < kanzure> my guess is that the authors were proud about using sdl 22:48 < kanzure> and somehow sdl is related to visual 22:52 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:52 < fenn> what's with the weird lack of color 22:52 < fenn> the title screen is obviously in color but the game seems confused whether it's in color or not 22:53 < kanzure> ask in #pret 22:59 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0196885886900230 22:59 < kanzure> .title 22:59 < yoleaux> Sequences of numbers generated by addition in formal groups and new primality and factorization tests 22:59 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Sequences%20of%20numbers%20generated%20by%20addition%20in%20formal%20groups%20and%20new%20primality%20and%20factorization%20tests%0A%20.pdf 23:00 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0196885886900230/pdf?md5=c7600bd9b161a990c371e7496ec02156&pid=1-s2.0-0196885886900230-main.pdf 23:20 < kanzure> http://goertzel.org/AGI_survey_early_draft.pdf 23:35 < kanzure> fenn: you might want to wait in that channel until iimarckus, sanky or padz shows up 23:35 < fenn> meh 23:35 < fenn> i'm just asking totally dumb questions anyway 23:35 < fenn> like "what's a game boy" 23:36 < kanzure> does reinforced learning count as intelligence? 23:36 < kanzure> (dogs) 23:36 < fenn> dogs do a lot more than just learning 23:37 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 < kanzure> but does it count as "general intelligence" 23:37 < fenn> i think i read something about bacteria being able to predict certain patterns of environmental changes 23:38 < fenn> no, intelligence doesn't exist 23:38 < fenn> there, are you happy now 23:38 < fenn> i am avoiding reading "the g factor" 23:39 < fenn> the author likes to bloviate profusely 23:39 < kanzure> i'm not entirely sure if you're supposed to be able to train mental arithmetic with reinforcement 23:39 < fenn> in dogs? 23:39 < kanzure> well in dogs and similarly brained animals 23:40 < kanzure> what's supposed to be outside the scope of reinforcement 23:40 < fenn> there have been numerous anecdotes of "counting horses" but it always(?) turned out that the owner was giving the horse cues subconsciously 23:40 < kanzure> or was this one of these unlimited theories 23:40 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41 < kanzure> "no you're just not reinforcing electrodynamics in the rabbit properly" 23:41 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@S0106b81619e8ecee.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:44 < fenn> kanzure have you ever read about hypnosis? 23:44 < kanzure> along the lines of http://www.robot-hugs.com/technique/ 23:44 < kanzure> a long time ago. not much. some stuffs. for/against. 23:45 < fenn> well it seems like something is happening, but i'm not sure what 23:45 < fenn> and like, has anyone hypnotized a mouse 23:46 < kanzure> no but we've fed them lsd 23:46 < kanzure> in the interest of science of course 23:46 < fenn> something that made sense was that you can only deactivate certain brain functions with hypnosis, you can't create new ones 23:47 < fenn> but you can get to mind-states that are impossible to reach when those functions are active 23:47 < fenn> now i'm rambling 23:47 < kanzure> does it work if you are already lobotomized? 23:48 < fenn> probably not 23:49 < fenn> i'm pretty sure this entire area is swamped with pseusoscience bullshit going back hundreds if not thousands of years, and somehow science hasn't corrected this yet 23:50 < fenn> no less than 8 definitions on wikipedia 23:51 < fenn> "a biological capacity" 23:51 < fenn> oh really 23:52 < fenn> "There are several different induction techniques. One of the most influential methods was Braid's "eye-fixation" technique, also known as "Braidism". Many variations of the eye-fixation approach exist, including the induction used in the Stanford Hypnotic Susceptibility Scale (SHSS), the most widely used research tool in the field of hypnotism." 23:57 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvfqrxmczfyalhdw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]