--- Day changed Thu Dec 11 2014 01:37 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:47 < nsh> .title http://www.businessinsider.com/groundbreaking-idea-of-lifes-origin-2014-12?IR=T 01:47 < yoleaux> Groundbreaking Idea Of Life's Origin - Business Insider 01:47 < nsh> oh, nmz787 already covered 02:01 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:04 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-145-13-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-145-231-50.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:32 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:45 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:53 -!- Vutral [ACM45noR5q@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:01 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:01 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:04 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:05 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:19 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:24 < fenn> .title http://www.google.com/patents/US5950543 03:24 < yoleaux> Patent US5950543 - Tubular transportation system for transporting passengers/cargos - Google Patents 03:25 < fenn> if anyone here becomes a trillionaire, please build this 03:48 < nsh> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91D5UAz-f4 03:48 < yoleaux> What is life-lecture: Jeremy England - YouTube 04:09 < nsh> -- 04:09 < nsh> Tangentially, the metallic hydrogen mentioned is one of the craziest chemical substances to possibly-exist [0]. 04:09 < nsh> Besides likely being a room-temperature superconductor (at ridiculous pressures, like 500 GPa), it's postulated to be metastable -- like diamond, you could create it at pressure, and it might stay a solid metal at STP conditions. It's postulated to be made of atomic hydrogen -- lone H atoms, without the molecular bonds of H_2. The recombination energy H + H -> H_2 suggests [1] it's the most energy-dense chemical fuel that exists, with 20 times the specific 04:09 < nsh> energy of {H2 + O2}. It could allow [1] rocket engines with I_sp of 1,700 seconds -- four times higher than LH2/LOX. It's thought to be the main phase of hydrogen inside the planet Jupiter [2] and responsible for its dynamo [3] (but as an ordinary conductor, not a superconductor). It's also speculatively a structural material, one that's less dense than water [4]. 04:09 < nsh> It might have been created in a lab, in 2011 [4], but it's not clear. 04:09 < nsh> [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen 04:09 < nsh> [1] http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/637123main_Silvera_Presentation.pdf 04:09 < nsh> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter#Internal_structure 04:09 < nsh> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere_of_Jupiter 04:09 < nsh> [4] http://www.nature.com/news/metallic-hydrogen-hard-pressed-1.... 04:09 < nsh> -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8729762 04:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:33 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-228-43.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:03 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- weles [~mariusz@wsip-174-78-132-9.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 < fenn> if the reaction is H + H -> H2, how do you limit the reaction rate so as not to make a bomb 05:18 < fenn> nsh see also metastable helium 05:18 < fenn> http://web.archive.org/web/20030105091803/http://www.islandone.org/APC/Chemical/07.html http://web.archive.org/web/20030105091803/http://www.islandone.org/APC/Chemical/08.html 05:29 < fenn> i guess it's just like a highly compressed gas that doesn't need to be heated to expand 05:30 < fenn> "the tankage factor of thousand- or million-atmosphere pressure diamond-materials tanks that may be required to store metallic hydrogen at cryogenic temperatures will need to be determined to assess overall stage performance" 05:43 < heath> music: https://soundcloud.com/vice/sets/princess-nokias-metallic-butterfly 05:44 < heath> nevermind 05:45 * heath goes back to listening to aphex twin 05:48 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:49 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:54 < fenn> wow they can do 600GPa with diamond anvils 06:00 < fenn> and 250GPa with a "typical" diamond anvil 06:07 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@ps357888.dreamhost.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:16 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 06:25 < kanzure> despite spending time in what i would guess is the best rna origin of life lab ever, i never did get a good idea of whether or not biologists expect the rna world hypothesis to mean a single strand of rna caused all this drama or if there was some geological trend that caused a massive amount of rna to do similar things all at once 06:26 < fenn> geological concentration of chemicals 06:27 < kanzure> that doesn't actually answer either way though 06:29 < kanzure> there was a paper on arxiv yesterday that proposed that evolutionary biologists should forget about particular implementation details and instead should treat biology as a branch of condensed matter physics.... 06:30 < kanzure> also, "the second smartest man in the world [by iq]" turns out to be a nootropic junkie 06:32 < fenn> before or after he took the iq test 06:33 < kanzure> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2858565/The-38-pills-taken-day-Rick-Rosney-world-s-second-smartest-man-body-brain-sharp-admits-two-thirds-probably-useless.html 06:33 < kanzure> with apologies for linking to dailymail 06:34 < kanzure> "is an American television writer and reality television person" 06:34 < kanzure> oh nevermind 06:40 < Qfwfq> Stack is described here http://www.medicaldaily.com/second-highest-iq-maintained-50-pills-day-rick-rosner-details-his-regimen-312974 06:41 < kanzure> i regret this already 06:41 < fenn> his list of supplements looks pretty reasonable; the antioxidants probably don't help though 06:41 < fenn> i'd hardly call it "nootropics junkie" 06:42 < kanzure> what are the requirements for junkie here 06:43 < fenn> the only actual "nootropics" he's taking are centrophenoxine, piracetam, vinpocetine, and caffeine 06:43 < fenn> maybe cognitex has some stuff in it 06:47 < fenn> "Aminoguanidines and their derivatives are also being developed for energetic material applications. Thorough combustion of aminoguanidines can produce voluminous non-toxic gases, at moderate temperatures, with a minimum of smoke or dust." good for entertaining situations in the airport security line 06:47 < kanzure> did you read the universal psychometrics paper? 06:47 < fenn> no 06:48 < fenn> i am thinking along similar lines though (why not just make computers take IQ tests) 06:48 < kanzure> universal psychometrics http://users.dsic.upv.es/~flip/papers/TR-upsycho2012.pdf 06:56 < kanzure> follow-up from same author http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/On%20potential%20cognitive%20abilities%20in%20the%20machine%20kingdom.pdf 07:03 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04 -!- augur [~augur@206-196-184-32.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:04 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:10 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-228-43.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:14 < heath> i hate it when i'm rejected because i refuse to move to cali :| 07:15 < kanzure> which company? 07:15 < fenn> you'd think they would just make that clear up front 07:15 < heath> this was several months ago, but i'm just thinking back on it 07:15 < heath> transcriptic 07:16 < heath> it makes sense for them, i get it 07:17 < heath> someone screwed with my head yesterday and asked "if you only had 10 years to live, what would you be doing?" damn them 07:18 < fenn> damn those people for making me think 07:19 < fenn> misery loves company right 07:20 < heath> i think there's a lot of suffering in the world due to misallocation of resources, i feel like bitcoin has potential in helping in this area 07:21 < fenn> please elaborate 07:21 < heath> dammit fenn, i knew you would insist 07:21 < fenn> i only ask because i came to the opposite conclusion 07:25 < heath> i guess it's okay to think about these things, but it also causes me to lose coding time... 07:26 < heath> in short i think it it may be possible to create a currency which prevents wealth from escaping a community as well as keeping the wealth flowing 07:26 < heath> i was brainwashed by a few people at http://metacurrency.org/ in ~2008ish 07:27 < fenn> i hope you realize "i was brainwashed" isn't the strongest argument ever 07:28 < fenn> at least give us a "think of the children!" 07:29 < fenn> "communities of people should be able to decide what they value and how that will be measured and acknowledged. This means they have to be able to create their own currencies." 07:30 < fenn> see that's an argument at least 07:30 < fenn> a very weak argument but it exists nonetheless 07:32 < heath> sure, anyway, so i think working in the bitcoin space is something that can help out this resource misallocation problem, and it would be something interesting to work on 07:33 < fenn> but bitcoin is a global currency with no "value ethics" 07:34 < heath> burn it and create a new currency? 07:34 < fenn> ok that's been done; then what? 07:34 < heath> global currency isn't necessarily bad all the time? 07:35 < heath> then use that currency within your community of choice 07:35 < fenn> i'm fine with global currency, but you are the one proposing infusing it with some kind of ethics(? at least metacurrency is) 07:37 < fenn> one interesting thing about bitcoin is the transaction graph is much more accessible than the conventional dollar/bank account transfer graph 07:37 < kanzure> heath: you should pester maaku about transcriptic since he worked there 07:38 < kanzure> heath: so one argument for "bitcoin can help fix misallocation of resources" is something along the lines of http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Malinvestment 07:38 < heath> fenn: i maybe making incorrect assumptions about what can be done, the original goal was to list out all the big topics i found interested in working on, but i guess it doesn't really matter 07:39 < heath> s/maybe// 07:39 < heath> might be 07:39 < heath> s/interested/interesting, yikes 07:40 < kanzure> "That's why market prices are important in the first place, and why government distortions of these prices lead to real imbalances in the economy.[34]" 07:40 < heath> it doesn't matter that i list them all out, because, i'm committed to working in the bitcoin space with an end goal of making enough money to build a biochem/fablab in the backyard 07:41 < heath> thanks for the link kanzure 07:41 < kanzure> "The complicated and somewhat fragile production structure requires that complementary inputs be available not only in the right magnitudes but also at the right moments in time. If they are not, then projects that appeared profitable are soon revealed to be unprofitable. In other words, what appeared to be capital creation is seen in fact to be capital consumption. The price mechanism co-ordinates production by "signalling" excesses and ... 07:41 < kanzure> ... shortages in the market, allowing stocks to clear and markets to function efficiently. In a monetary expansion caused by fractional reserve banking, price signals are confused. Monetary growth reallocates resources but cannot in itself produce economic growth. The economy is being pulled in two directions. Entrepreneurs want more capital goods, at the same time that consumers want more consumer goods." 07:41 < fenn> kanzure: fixing "malinvestment" doesn't address the problem that labor value is rapidly approaching zero 07:41 < fenn> and that people are dependent on the value of their labor to survive 07:42 < fenn> don't give me any crap about "everyone can be a developer" either 07:42 < kanzure> i never claimed anything about labor value, what are you smoking? 07:42 < fenn> nobody is arguing against the efficiency of markets 07:43 < fenn> but when you look around, most people can't even afford basic living expenses 07:43 < kanzure> all i was doing was demonstrating a line of reasoning where bitcoin can be useful regarding misallocaiton of resources (to help heath's argument turn into something less like "i was brainwashed") 07:44 < kanzure> i did not set out to eliminate living expenses or implement a civilization where people that are born can actually be cared for 07:45 < kanzure> *misallocation 07:45 < kanzure> i think it is wrong to design a system like that anyway 07:45 < kanzure> it is a bad engineering project 07:46 < kanzure> instead, you should just make up your own damn rules for your space habitat or antarctic biosphere or whatever and give the finger to the rest of the world 07:46 < kanzure> you should not be expected to fix the collective design mistakes of the entire human population, rather you should bound your problems more specifically 07:46 < kanzure> i can't even believe i have to tell you these things, argh 07:46 < fenn> that's great for the 0.00001% who are able to do that 07:47 < kanzure> so "because other people are incapable of designing systems, i shouldn't even bother"? wtf 07:47 < fenn> have you ever heard of "design for typical case" 07:47 < kanzure> that sounds like it could quickly devolve into making no cases whatsoever 07:47 < kanzure> there must be a point at which things actually get done by someone 07:49 < kanzure> if there is a society that works and exists, it should not disappear simply because hungry poor people exist elsewhere in the world. that's quite similar to the "can't go to mars before fixing x at home" arguments. 07:49 < fenn> on mars labor has value 07:50 < kanzure> so what you are saying is "there is no hypothetical system that i can think of or design where humans can live without having a wage slavery system"? i strongly doubt you have thought that. 07:50 < fenn> there are a lot of science fiction books i wish you had read 07:50 < fenn> so i could just reference them 07:52 < fenn> what i'm talking about is how we keep inventing new technologies that improve worker productivity and improve worker productivity until it seems like nobody would have to work, but instead the workers keep working and simply earning less for the same job 07:52 < kanzure> consider a space habitat that is initially owned by a benevolent dictator. in this habitat, he decdes that nobody should be born unless the whole system has a surplus capable of supporting that life within reasonable margins (including various human catastrophe margins, but perhaps not "use up all of the energy of the universe to save one life" levels; probably something less than that would be the bound). 07:53 < fenn> andressen says "oh that's the lump of labor fallacy!" but it's a fact 07:53 < kanzure> yeah, i don't really care about that-- it's wrong for me to inherit the existing civilization and politics. that is out of scope. 07:53 < fenn> but we have a surplus 07:53 < kanzure> that doesn't matter 07:53 < fenn> of course it matters 07:53 < kanzure> nope. there are other system elements that you are not accounting for. 07:53 < kanzure> just because there's a surplus doesn't mean that the system will distribute those resources. 07:53 < kanzure> argh 07:54 < fenn> if everyone were struggling to break even it would be different, but the fact is there are sufficient resources available, they're just distributed unevenly 07:54 < kanzure> you're refusing to engage in a certain mode of thought that i am demonstrating, and you're not telling me what the hell your refusal is about 07:54 < kanzure> you owe absolutely *nothing* to existing politics 07:55 < fenn> my refusal is about not just wishing away the existing situation and starting over 07:55 < kanzure> i never wished anything away 07:55 < fenn> you owe all of your resources to existing politics 07:55 < kanzure> "owe" 07:55 < kanzure> the only thing i "owe" anything to is good judgement and sound mind 07:56 < fenn> the concentration and availability of existing resources was caused by the current economic and political systems 07:56 < fenn> (and technical systems, but that's almost beside the point) 07:59 < fenn> (for those who may have read them: beggars and choosers, manna, red mars/blue mars, down and out in the magic kingdom, iain banks's culture series) 08:00 < fenn> er, beggars in spain 08:15 < fenn> "technological unemployment. This means unemployment due to our discovery of means of economizing the use of labor outrunning the pace at which we can find new uses for labor." 08:15 < fenn> "a moral worldview Kress based on Objectivism, in which dignity is solely the product of what a person can achieve through his or her own efforts, and the contract is the basis of society. As a corollary, the weak and unproductive are not owed anything." 08:16 < fenn> when you combine these two things you end up with "TerraFoam" a robot-tended prison/welfare state for the bulk of humanity 08:16 < fenn> or just left to die or shot on sight 08:18 < fenn> i much prefer bucky fuller's "innovation fellowship" where large numbers of people are paid to do whatever they think is the best use of their time; the vast majority of people would make no contribution at all, but one in a million would make discoveries so beneficial it would pay for the rest 08:20 < fenn> this is looking at "idle" humans as an intellectual surplus rather than a parasitic load 08:26 < kanzure> equating anything i have said today to objectivism is a pathetic slur 08:27 < kanzure> i am aware of technological unemployment and i even believe it can exist in many possible civilization designs, and that it most definitely happens in the ones on earth at the moment 08:28 < kanzure> your "innovation fellowship" is very very similar to viewing everyone as a parasitic load, which i think is dumb 08:29 < fenn> in the typical (median) case yes, but on average no 08:30 < fenn> the difference is recognizing that people _can_ make a contribution and providing them the opportunity to do so 08:31 < kanzure> that's the silliest thing you have ever said, just because they can make any possible non-negative contribution does not mean you should be prevented from doing your own important work 08:31 < fenn> it sounds almost stupid to say now, but just wait until the robots are running everything for mister rich 08:31 < kanzure> gains in your own work can later be applied to others anyway, it is a nice fall-out of open source licensing for example 08:32 < fenn> who is "you" 08:32 < kanzure> i mean very specifically you 08:33 < kanzure> just because there's so much deprecated terrible civilization implemented does not mean that you have to be backwards compatible with everything ever, that's an unnecessary constraint on developing better things 08:33 < fenn> i am prevented from doing my own very important work by people guarding the existing resources and capital and energy 08:33 < kanzure> and your argument so far has been "but there are other people that can't figure out a better system, so therefore it would be rude of me to do anything, especially since it would look (to them) like i am being selfish even though i wouldn't actually be acting selfishly" 08:33 < fenn> (and data) 08:35 < fenn> i am trying to parse that and just can't 08:36 < kanzure> then i'll circle back to that eventually 08:38 < kanzure> people are still selling mendelmax2? 08:38 < fenn> sure why not 08:38 < fenn> it's the biggest work area afaik 08:39 < fenn> wait, wtf is this: http://www.mendelmax.com/ 08:40 < fenn> i thought you were referring to the upsized standard reprap project mendel 08:40 < fenn> so much for trademarks sheesh 08:41 < fenn> "threaded rod was too cheap so we used t-slot extrusion instead" 08:43 < kanzure> maybe mendelmax was never a trademark? 08:44 < kanzure> what did you think about the psychometrics paper? 08:45 < fenn> nevermind i guess i was thinking of this http://blog.reprap.org/2009/09/mendel-apollo.html 08:47 < fenn> i think my eyeballs are spheres of clear gelatinous substance 08:59 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@ps357888.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:02 < kanzure> in other words, "it's a paper and i hate papers"? 09:13 < fenn> i haven't read it yet 09:16 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 < delinquentme> http://www.phrack.com/papers/fall_of_groups.html 09:16 < delinquentme> opinions? 09:18 -!- augur [~augur@206-196-184-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18 < kanzure> my opinion is that you are all slackers 09:24 -!- augur [~augur@206-196-184-32.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:29 -!- augur [~augur@206-196-184-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32 < fenn> hah "the galaxy's most resilient bittorrent site" http://thepiratebay.cr 09:33 -!- augur [~augur@206-196-184-32.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 < kanzure> "'saving the world by decrypting the German Enigma machine' this is often repeated but mostly incorrect statement. Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski cracked v1 of the enigma in theory. So, Brittan was provided with full pictures of the insides plus an approach to crack it by some polish mathematicians, but they needed to build some actual physical devices. Also, the enigma design continued to be improved upon over ... 09:38 < kanzure> ... time, but the basic approach more or less continued to work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski " 09:38 < kanzure> (from ) 09:38 -!- augur [~augur@206-196-184-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42 < fenn> "very few even knew about the Polish contribution" because of the strict secrecy and the "need-to-know" principle. 09:44 < weles> they did not "cracked v1 of the enigma in theory" but in practice. "by January 1938 the Cipher Bureau's German section was reading a remarkable 75% of Enigma intercepts," 09:44 < weles> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski 09:54 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:55 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 < fenn> delinquentme: he doesn't even try to explain why there are no more prominent hacker groups 10:08 < delinquentme> I want to tell him to look here 10:25 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 < kanzure> this is the worst hacker group ever 10:26 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:27 < kanzure> thanks for the laugh 10:28 < heath> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23032169 10:28 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1177%2F2211068212460237 10:29 < kanzure> .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23032169 10:29 < yoleaux> Clarity: an open-source manager for laboratory automation. - PubMed - NCBI 10:29 < kanzure> namespace conflict 10:30 < fenn> i was just thinking how "marshall brain" is confusing 10:30 < kanzure> he probably has one of those late 80s fake extropian names 10:30 < kanzure> like mark plus or max more 10:31 < fenn> 2fake4u 10:31 < kanzure> only when you know a spirit's true name can you cryonically raise them from the dead 10:32 < fenn> god does this paper ever go anywhere 10:32 < kanzure> it's a piles of primitives and then it tells you to do the work 10:33 < heath> http://marxlab.rc.fas.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Delaney-et-al-2012-Clarity-an-open-source-manager-for-laboratory-automation.pdf 10:34 < heath> http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~rojasechenique/claritydocs/overview.html 10:35 < heath> .title 10:35 < yoleaux> An Overview Clarity — Clarity 5.0 documentation 10:35 < heath> c# :( 10:36 < heath> svn repo: https://osla.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Clarity_Suite/ 10:37 < fenn> kanzure: reading universal psychometrics (bored already) and thinking that maybe the reason IQ tests are predictive is that they measure a bottleneck, where most humans can walk perfectly well and recognize faces and plants and landmarks, but they have a hard time playing chess and doing other weird stuff not found in nature 10:38 < fenn> we have all these cognitive facilities, so many we can hardly even recognize that they exist until we try to build something that replicates the functionality 10:40 < fenn> animals also walk and recognize individuals and landmarks, but we don't give them any "intelligence" credit for that 10:40 < fenn> even bacteria will navigate toward a food source 10:43 < fenn> technology is weird stuff not found in nature, so people with cognitive skills useful outside the context of animals in nature will be more capable in a technological society 10:43 < fenn> stumbling over words here 10:45 < kanzure> the universal psychometrics paper argues that most people are bad at creating meaningful tests when you take into account the interface requirements of tests compared to the machines 10:46 < kanzure> when you test a computer program you don't just wave a red flag at your machine as if it was some bull, you have a very specific instrumented test environment 10:46 < kanzure> meanwhile, people put monkeys in sterile lab environments and expect them to discuss the problems of universal heat death or something, which is not how a monkey works 10:47 < kanzure> the paper also argues for tests based on kolmogorov complexity (and some other measurement) that can be deployed for all inhabitants of the machine kingdom, even if there's some extra instrumentation work to get them compatible with each machine species 10:47 < kanzure> naturally you have to be careful about your implementation details..... 10:50 < fenn> that's the other thing about this paper that kinda pisses me off.. there is no "machine kingdom" 10:50 < fenn> there is no "set of all possible machines" 10:50 < fenn> it's unbounded 10:51 < kanzure> they are talking about turing machines, methinks 10:51 < heath> https://github.com/heath/clarity 10:51 < kanzure> .g site:nature.com clarity brain protocol 10:51 < yoleaux> http://www.nature.com/protocolexchange/protocols/3251 10:51 < kanzure> .title 10:51 < yoleaux> Advanced CLARITY for rapid and high-resolution imaging of intact tissues : Nature Protocols : Nature Publishing Group 10:52 < heath> last updated 2 years ago 10:52 < heath> :| 10:52 < fenn> it's not like there's a bunch of critters running around and we just have to catch some and put them in a maze to see how they perform 10:52 < heath> updated repo with paper 10:52 < kanzure> "universal psychometrics" ass what should that "maze" be and how do you make appropriately generic tests 10:52 < kanzure> *asks 10:53 < fenn> but there are no critters 10:54 < fenn> huh a 960 line perl program scored >100 on an IQ test 10:55 < kanzure> after how many attempts? 10:58 < fenn> roar 10:58 < fenn> paperbot: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.118.6308&rep=rep1&type=pdf 11:00 < fenn> well at least we can play around with the actual program: http://users.dsic.upv.es/~jorallo/iq/iq.html 11:01 < kanzure> "The program written in Perl takes I.Q. tests and has average human intelligence." 11:02 < fenn> it fails about half the things i type in 11:02 < kanzure> yes this looks like an extremely restricted iq test 11:05 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.42] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 < nmz787_i> kanzure: would this work for python-brlcad? http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/sip/intro 11:08 < kanzure> no, 11:08 < kanzure> that requires compilation 11:08 < kanzure> and it requires custom header files or spec files 11:08 < kanzure> python-brlcad just consumes existing brlcad header files and does no compilation 11:15 < fenn> so they "solved" the problem of "what is the right answer" by claiming to base the "right answer" on the shortest sequence-generating algorithm, but this is a bad argument because we don't actually know what the shortest algorithm is (kolmogorov complexity is only an upper bound) 11:17 < fenn> anyway it's a cute definition of intelligence; the ability to find short programs that produce a given output 11:17 < kanzure> er, that's not what it was saying the definition of intelligence is 11:18 < fenn> "a new intelligence test (C-test)" would seem to be testing intelligence 11:18 < kanzure> iirc if something just so happens to already have a short program that it uses, that's fine 11:18 < kanzure> .title http://blog.gerhards.net/2008/05/why-you-cant-build-reliable-tcp.html 11:18 < yoleaux> Rainer's Blog: why you can't build a reliable TCP protocol without app-level acks... 11:18 * fenn is running out of quotation marks 11:20 < fenn> "more precisely, its inductive inference ability" 11:20 < fenn> you still have to run the inference in the forward direction to generate the answer 11:21 < fenn> anyway, taking into account what i said earlier about bottlenecks, it would seem that humans are bottlenecked by inductive inference ability 11:22 < fenn> but we know that working memory is important, and long term memory is important, and sequence performance is important, etc 11:24 < fenn> maybe this is why people think markov bots are fun to play with; they have no inductive inference but do have (apparent) working memory, long term memory, and sequence performance 11:25 < kanzure> markov bots are so cliche and terrible 11:26 < kanzure> (especially on irc) 11:30 < fenn> did i mention i hate math hieroglyphics 11:30 < fenn> if you need to use a different font to get your point across, you're doing something wrong 11:33 < fenn> "consider the set of all cognitive tasks" 11:34 < fenn> now let's see, is this a subset or a superset of the "machine kingdom" 11:35 < heath> us gov agencies i didn't know exists: http://www.dmea.osd.mil/ http://www.acq.osd.mil/cp/ http://www.acq.osd.mil/chieftechnologist/ 11:35 < heath> all sponsors of http://www.techconnectworld.com/Nanotech2015/ 11:38 < fenn> buzzword central 11:39 < kanzure> i don't hear you complaining about the animal kingdom, you know 11:40 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:41 < kanzure> the so-called animolecule kingdom 11:41 < kanzure> "animacule" 11:41 < fenn> because biologists don't make statements like "consider the set of all possible animals" 11:42 < kanzure> well maybe they should 11:42 < fenn> well maybe they shouldn't 11:42 < fenn> "is a quasar an animal?" 11:43 < fenn> "what about empty space?" 11:43 < kanzure> let's pulse gamma rays at a quasar to find out 11:44 < kragen> "animalcule" 11:45 < kanzure> that was the original name for microorganisms 11:46 < fenn> heath: it's really incredible how rarely these "technology" websites actually show any evidence of technology research, like, photographs or diagrams of technology, or people working on it 11:46 < delinquentme> How do: get the entire database of papers from libgen? 11:46 < kanzure> torrenting 11:46 < fenn> delinquentme: send a self-addressed stamped crate of hard drives to siberia 11:46 < kragen> I know. You just misspelled it twice, so I was giving you the correct spelling. 11:47 < kanzure> bribery works too! 1ENFY4h7ntGZbqwcwpQtXVFJrPnfXRHQLe 11:52 < fenn> why is there no bitcoin:// protocol 11:52 < fenn> protocol handler string 11:53 < fenn> it's not obvious what any particular random sequence of letters and numbers means 11:54 < delinquentme> kanzure, do they have a torrent for all those files?? 11:57 < fenn> there was a list of about 10 separate torrents 12:00 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 < fenn> hmm so much for thepiratebay.cr 12:00 < kanzure> there is a bitcoin:// 12:00 < kanzure> bip72? 12:00 < kanzure> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0071.mediawiki 12:00 < kanzure> hm no 12:01 < kanzure> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0072.mediawiki 12:01 < kanzure> i should trust myself more often 12:01 < fenn> ugh the whole internet is broken 12:01 < kanzure> haha "bitcoin:?r=https://merchant.com/pay.php?h%3D2a8628fc2fbe" 12:01 < kanzure> "r" 12:02 < kanzure> "bitcoin:mq7se9wy2egettFxPbmn99cK8v5AFq55Lx?amount=0.11&r=https://merchant.com/pay.php?h%3D2a8628fc2fbe" 12:02 < fenn> delinquentme: this torrent contains a list of torrents and metadata: http://www.torrents.sx/Library-Genesis-Repository-832K-eBooks-torrents_-dB-and-source-download-torrent-2B95F302E1EB73BA04C2614B17B2872A953DEB44.php 12:02 < fenn> it should be downloadable by DHT with just the hash 12:02 < kanzure> that may not include /scimag 12:03 < fenn> yes also note it's a couple years old 12:03 < fenn> also the torrents are probably all not being seeded 12:04 < kanzure> great job humanity 12:04 < fenn> i can't be bothered to download 500MB just to look 12:04 < nmz787_i> i thought it was also on .ee last night 12:05 < nmz787_i> though it looked somewhat weird, not showing # seeders 12:07 < fenn> what is the h parameter 12:07 < fenn> my urldecode foo is weak 12:07 < fenn> but %3D looks like some punctuation 12:08 < kanzure> urldeurlencode 12:09 < fenn> pay.php?h=2a8628fc2fbe 12:10 < fenn> pay.php?h=feedabadbeef 12:10 < kanzure> true fact: jrayhawk hashes to feedabadbeef 12:11 -!- sheena2 [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:11 < fenn> proof that we're living in a simulated universe 12:11 * fenn mumbles something about harry potter and the cryptographic key 12:13 < fenn> wow okay that disappeared from the internet quick 12:15 < fenn> ah i found it again https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10755550/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-cryptographic-key 12:16 < delinquentme> fenn, thepiratebay.cr looks good? 12:16 < fenn> delinquentme: it didn't have the libgen torrent torrent 12:18 < fenn> it has 1-5000 out of 873000 12:18 < fenn> or something like that 12:22 < fenn> anyway just point your torrent client to magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2b95f302e1eb73ba04c2614b17b2872a953deb44 12:25 < fenn> eenterestink http://cryptome.org/2012/03/library-genesis.htm 12:27 < fenn> i'm not really sure what this php is supposed to do; links metadata to files i guess 12:27 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:28 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-bmgsvejjnsvlpikj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-bmgsvejjnsvlpikj] has quit [Client Quit] 12:35 < fenn> huh maybe i did download the index already 12:36 < kragen> you're right, the pirate bay is back up 12:39 < fenn> i think there are just a bunch of people with backup database dumps 12:40 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:40 < fenn> one might ask why we aren't just running a distributed database with incremental bittorrent streaming updates 12:41 < kanzure> you could ask bram himself in bitcoin-wizards now 12:44 < kragen> fenn: because the pirate bay works well enough that nobody has built one, I'm guessing? 12:44 < fenn> i am too chicken 12:44 < fenn> bramc would probably say something like "that is what DHT does" 12:45 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:48 < kragen> he might say "you should sign up for the Maelstrom alpha" 12:48 < fenn> is that a video game 12:48 < fenn> oh it's something happening today 12:49 < fenn> http://blog.bittorrent.com/2014/12/10/project-maelstrom-the-internet-we-build-next/ 12:51 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 -!- tadaaaaaa [324fbcb6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.79.188.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:54 < kragen> you're so out of date 12:54 < kragen> that blog post was yesterday! 12:54 < fenn> "late last night" 12:55 < fenn> also it's 100% fluff 12:56 < fenn> also the form sounds like they're signing me up to receive promotions 12:57 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jawsmqgvjwjzwlvq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:58 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:58 < fenn> hrmph it didnt like that i entered data in their "hidden" form 12:59 < fenn> at least have the decency to label your "hidden" form "don't write here" 13:01 -!- weles [~mariusz@wsip-174-78-132-9.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:08 < fenn> looks like they are only targeting windows, mac, android, and ios 13:09 < fenn> actually nevermind, i have no idea 13:09 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-ifqatrheeyyvnlyj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:10 < kanzure> yes i agree it's probably fluff 13:10 < fenn> this is the most solid info i can find on "wtf is maelstrom": http://2chie424y5ug2kfkkypuhcvwq2.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2014/12/blog-image.png 13:12 < kanzure> "Maelstrom, a Python tool for the numerical simulation of magnetohydrodynamics" 13:14 < fenn> uh oh they use mailchimp, i'm screwed 13:15 < kragen> I could have told you that 13:16 < fenn> kragen: thanks for nothing 13:21 -!- papersherpa [~papersher@50-79-188-182-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 -!- papersherpa [~papersher@50-79-188-182-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25 < nmz787_i> .wik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_flange 13:25 < yoleaux> "A vacuum flange is a flange at the end of a tube used to connect vacuum chambers, tubing and vacuum pumps to each other." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_flange 13:26 < kragen> you didn't ask 13:26 < fenn> kragen: is there anything else you think i should know? 13:27 * fenn tries to think of a suitable djinn enchantment 13:29 < nmz787_i> https://domains.google.com/about/ 13:31 < fenn> pff beta. i only sign up for alpha junk mail 13:32 < fenn> "Management figures they’ll save money on salaries by leaving it up to the employees to negotiate for their own pay. So they don’t give raises until someone tries to negotiate for one. Naturally, anyone asking for a raise is viewed as having no negotiating stance unless they have a credible claim to quitting, so raises are only given as counter-offers ... The most devoted, upstanding 13:32 < fenn> employees are the least paid, and the most conniving, disinterested ones are paid the most." 13:33 < kragen> that should be "interested" rather than "disinterested" 13:33 < kragen> fenn: most of BitTorrent Inc.'s software has been proprietary for many years now 13:33 < fenn> disinterested in the job 13:33 < kragen> that's "uninterested". "disinterested" means "not selfish". 13:34 < kragen> or, anyway, not corrupted by self-interest with regard to the particular issue at hand 13:34 < fenn> huh okay 13:34 < kragen> .wik disinterested 13:34 < yoleaux> kragen: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 13:34 < kragen> .w disinterested 13:34 < yoleaux> kragen: Sorry, that command (.w) crashed. 13:35 < kragen> wiktionary says I'm wrong 13:35 < kragen> 21:34 <+saxo> disinterested — adjective: 1. Having no stake or interest in the outcome; free of bias, impartial. [from 17th c.], 2. Uninterested, lacking interest. [from 17th c.] 13:36 < fenn> The Collaborative International Dictionary of English agrees with you: " Not influenced by regard to personal interest or advantage; free from selfish motive;" 13:37 < fenn> i tend to take words at their literal meaning 13:38 < kragen> well, this one has two literal meanings, apparently, deriving from two of the meanings of "interest" 13:39 < kragen> but the GCIDE meaning is the one I'd learned as legitimate 13:39 < fenn> 1. To engage the attention of; 2. To be concerned with or engaged in; 13:40 < fenn> neither of these have to do with self-promotion or gain? 13:40 < kragen> those are verb meanings 13:40 < kragen> we're looking for noun meanings 13:40 < kragen> no? 13:41 < kragen> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/interest#Noun lists the relevant meanings as #2 and #4 13:42 < kragen> in Spanish we use "interesado" to mean "selfishly motivated" 13:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 < fenn> how do you say "interesante"-ado 13:43 < tadaaaaaa> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140924/ncomms6031/full/ncomms6031.html 13:43 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fncomms6031 13:52 < kanzure> .title http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140924/ncomms6031/full/ncomms6031.html 13:52 < yoleaux> Retro-biosynthetic screening of a modular pathway design achieves selective route for microbial synthesis of 4-methyl-pentanol : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group 13:54 < kragen> you'd also say that with "interesado" :) 13:54 < fenn> i thought so :) 14:09 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:14 < kanzure> blah 14:15 < tadaaaaaa> why does paperbot only take requests in the ##hplusroadmap channel :( seems like it should be able to be told to join other channels 14:15 < tadaaaaaa> kanzure: ^ 14:16 < kanzure> in 2023 president bill clinton granted paperbot emergency access to science under the condition that paperbot be confined to ##hplusroadmap 14:16 < tadaaaaaa> lies. I've seen him in #xiph 14:19 < fenn> that happened later 14:20 < fenn> executive order signed by defense secretary jaden smith 14:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:21 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:39 < kanzure> .wik unit 61398 14:39 < yoleaux> "PLA Unit 61398 (Chinese: 61398部队) is the Military Unit Cover Designator (MUCD) of a People's Liberation Army advanced persistent threat unit that has been alleged to be the source of Chinese computer hacking attacks." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_61398 14:41 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 < fenn> "they'll never figure out which number we use" 14:54 < fenn> some urls sorted by date https://github.com/kbandla/aptnotes/ 14:57 < chris_99> kanzure, http://intelreport.mandiant.com/Mandiant_APT1_Report.pdf 14:57 < chris_99> that's got photos of the offices of that group heh 14:57 < kanzure> "exposing one of china's cyber espionage units" 15:01 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- _Sol_ [~SolGr@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:28 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:32 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 < kanzure> huh, i always thought that people talking about allen institute for artificial intelligence were just typoing allen institute for brain science: http://www.allenai.org/ 15:37 < kanzure> papers http://www.allenai.org/TemplateGeneric.aspx?contentId=12 15:39 < kanzure> yikes this all quite awful 15:39 < kanzure> allen brain institute is better 15:45 < fenn> "a small 'security tag' circuit which is added to IP cores (or complete designs) and a 'wand' which can detect and receive information from the 'security tag'. 15:45 < fenn> This technique provides a method of proving illegal use of an IP core, which is non-invasive, quick and does not affect the functionality of a system.  The technique can detect the IP Tag even if it is implemented on an FPGA where the bitstream is encrypted. As well as protecting against design piracy the security tag can be used to combat the increasing problem of chips which have been marked 15:45 < fenn> by pirates as coming from a reputable manufacturer when in fact they are low-cost 'equivalents'. 15:47 < fenn> conveniently doubles as a backdoor 15:47 < fenn> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/15105/a-security-tagging-scheme-for-asic-designs-and-intellectual-property-cores.html 15:49 < kanzure> probabilistic inference engine thingy to pipe data into http://deepdive.stanford.edu/ 15:49 < kanzure> what? "Over the last few years, we have built applications for both broad domains that read the Web and for specific domains like paleobiology. In collaboration with Shanan Peters (PaleobioDB), we built a system that reads documents with higher accuracy and from larger corpora than expert human volunteers" 15:50 < kanzure> "For example, we showed that DeepDive can understand tabular data" http://cs.stanford.edu/people/chrismre/papers/jointable-acl.pdf 15:53 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8uhs28O3eA&t=1m10s 15:53 < kanzure> "This video is a demo of GeoDeepDive, a system that extracts dark data from geology journal articles" 15:53 < kanzure> "dark data" 15:56 < kanzure> black magic happening at 5m15s 15:56 < fenn> this video is making me dumber 15:57 < kanzure> more black magic at 6m10s 15:57 < kanzure> yeah you should skip the parts i haven't referenced 16:00 < fenn> speeding it up helps 16:02 < fenn> er, so does it do OCR or what 16:03 < fenn> how does it even know that's a table 16:03 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04 < kanzure> i would imagine that non-OCR methods and OCR methods can be coupled together to any sort of generic pdf-reading inference-making engine 16:11 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:19 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:26 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:55 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-ifqatrheeyyvnlyj] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:56 < kanzure> maaku: hey do you have any numbers on how much database storage you're consuming with sqlalchemy-bitcoin, and what database? 16:57 < kanzure> maaku: or, if you don't feel comfortable sharing that info, then maybe an estimate as to order of magnitude compared to bitcoind's leveldb resource consumption 16:59 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-230.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:03 -!- poohbear [~tigger@unaffiliated/tigger] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:10 -!- tigger_ [~tigger@unaffiliated/tigger] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 -!- tigger_ is now known as poohbear 17:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-230.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-230.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-50-137-46-240.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 < genehacker> so where was the cheap microfluidics place? 17:50 < delinquentme> genehacker, I think heath had made a request to some place in germany 17:50 < delinquentme> what are you building? 17:52 < genehacker> buy 17:52 < genehacker> *hoping to buy a microreactor 18:06 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-50-137-46-240.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140924083558]] 18:22 < superkuh> I forgot the name of that FF/Chrome extension that exports tabs to easily shared html lists. Anyone remember it? 18:24 < superkuh> One-tab. Nevermind. 18:42 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jawsmqgvjwjzwlvq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:47 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:21a2:972b:ab0:e755] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:47 -!- namespace [~user@184.12.107.90] has quit [Quit: Powers going out] 19:48 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 < kanzure> i wonder if i can ever reach typing-induced muscle failure 20:09 < kanzure> there doesn't seem to be any evidence of such a thing on the interwebs 20:09 < kanzure> perhaps these muscles don't experience failures 20:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:30 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691511006399 20:30 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Assessment%20of%20the%20health%20impact%20of%20GM%20plant%20diets%20in%20long-term%20and%20multigenerational%20animal%20feeding%20trials%3A%20A%20literature%20review%0A%20.pdf 20:31 < ebowden> Damn. 20:31 < ebowden> Doesn't work. 20:32 < ParahSailin> i dont think its usually muscles that fail 20:33 < kanzure> huh, turns out to not be an actual idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_to_failure 20:33 < kanzure> there's no "muscle failure" article 20:34 < ParahSailin> tendons and ligaments dont heal very well because they arent vascularized 20:35 < kanzure> i really don't think that i have experienced any typing-related tendon or ligament damage ever 20:35 < kanzure> i am currently experiencing some muscle sluggishness or something, i don't know how to describe it 21:02 < delinquentme> kanzure, delay in relaxation ? 21:05 < kanzure> nah, more like weakness after 20 hours of use 21:25 < nmz787> is gist.github less 'noisy'/'loud' from a google search standpoint vs github? I'd like people to be able to find these little GUIs: https://gist.github.com/nmz787/ff7ae7b64d59070390ea 21:28 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:cb85:6a00:21a2:972b:ab0:e755] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:14 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:25 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:49 < delinquentme> nmz787, i've had a similar problem :D 22:49 < delinquentme> oh but you built a GUI for it? 22:49 < delinquentme> mine just needed mapped to keys 23:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-230.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-182-230.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:35 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:37 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap