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01:15 < delinquentme_> http://www.kuciara.com/showtime/
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02:58 < nmz787> new blog, powered by python + markdown http://nmz787.github.io/
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06:09 < kanzure> hmm
06:09 < kanzure> bram cohen and gmaxwell saying words abut sequential proof of work http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2015-01-01.log
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06:20 < JayDugger> .wik gmaxwell
06:20 < yoleaux> "" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gmaxwell
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06:21 < JayDugger> Not quite what I wanted...serves me right for not RTFM.
06:22 < JayDugger> What's the deal with the reactor core image, nmz787?
06:24 < JayDugger> .g gmaxwell
06:24 < yoleaux> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425
06:24 < JayDugger> RTFM wins. Again.
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06:32 < streety> nmz787: was there a reason for rolling your own rather than going with pelican, nikola, hyde etc?
06:32 < streety> other than personal practice
06:33  * streety is currently re-implementing his blog so views personal practice as a sound reason
06:50 < kanzure> hack the planet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJWxMLrpE0
06:58 < cluckj> is there a ten-hour loop of that
07:00 < kanzure> not to my knowledge
07:00 < cluckj> bummer
07:00 < kanzure> i think i'll be using this ten hour thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsaBwVs3FaM
07:01 < cluckj> even better
07:01 < kanzure> (19 minute loop)
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07:02 < cluckj> I did a presentation for some undergrads in a bioethics class entitled "Arnold Schwarzenegger: Great Bioethicist, or Greatest Bioethicist?"
07:03 < cluckj> the prof wanted me to guest lecture and talk about bioethics using media/movies
07:05 < kanzure> so i decided a better explanation that i'll accept is something about child rearing costs and child mimicry or imitation or observational learning
07:06 < cluckj> wasn't that in the paper you posted?
07:06 < kanzure> maybe
07:07 < cluckj> well....there were a lot of possible explanations in that paper
07:07 < kanzure> right
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07:09 < kanzure> observational learning isn't a very helpful conclusion though
07:09 < kanzure> well, it's sort of helpful. it's not the worst possible one.
07:10 < cluckj> crows do that too
07:10 < cluckj> or ravens
07:10 < kanzure> many things do this
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07:10 < kanzure> i would guess that observational learning shows up prior to parent-facilitated education
07:10 < cluckj> it does
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07:21 < kanzure> .title http://stacksmasher.me/?p=67
07:21 < yoleaux> Making a passive LAN tap > stacksmash3rs security blog
07:25 < nsh> paperbot, https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2413493
07:25 < nsh> paperbot, http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-32894-7_16
07:25 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2F978-3-642-32894-7_16
07:25 < nsh> .head http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2F978-3-642-32894-7_16
07:25 < yoleaux> 404, text/html; charset=utf-8, 162 bytes
07:25  * nsh frowns
07:26 < kanzure> nsh: you bugfix? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
07:29 < nsh> mebbes
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08:36 < heath> i'm going to bring in my friend ethan
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08:40 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/swedish-mafia-house/spring-tube-duality-party-july
08:41 < heath> spacex 2014 year in review (infographic) http://www.americaninfographic.com/post/106743794227/infographic-spacex-2014-review
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09:21 < JayDugger> Nice, heath.
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09:53 < kanzure> scams in bitcoin land http://tucker.liberty.me/2015/01/02/a-theory-of-the-scam/
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09:58 < kanzure> hi faddat
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10:09 < Viper168> lol, mokstar threw a fit and banned me from noots because I pointed out he has a hardon for erasmus
10:09 < kragen> of rotterdam?
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10:19 < Viper168> who?
10:20 < maaku> cluckj: you have a video of that Schwarzenegger presentation? love to see that :P
10:20 < Viper168> it was all because erasmus has been a drunken asshole lately, and was engaging in some harassment, when it got so ridiculous to the point I asked to have it stopped mokstar just mocked it
10:21 < kanzure> all of you reddit people are terrible people and you shouldn't feel bad about getting banned by each other
10:21 < Viper168> now when erasmus complains because I'm being friendly in comparison, mokstar jumps right on his wagon
10:21 < Viper168> friendly in messing with him, as a response to his behavior considering the lack of administration
10:22 < heath> .cc Decentralized Autonomous Organization
10:22 < Viper168> apparently mokstar has kids so that prevents him from handling administration fairly
10:22 < Viper168> but only one way
10:22 < Viper168> I guess you have to suck his dick or something to get the favor
10:23 < cluckj> maaku, no, but I can try to dig up the slides
10:24 < kanzure> nobody in reddit-nootropics even makes nootropics, they just buy stuff, which isn't too bad, except the idea of nootropics isn't to get better at buying stuff
10:24 < heath> .wik Decentralized Autonomous Organization
10:24 < yoleaux> "A Decentralized Autonomous Organization (often abbreviated "DAO"; sometimes referred to as a Fully Automated Business Entity or Distributed Autonomous Corporation/Distributed Autonomous Company, often abbreviated "FAB" or "DAC") is a decentralized network of narrow-AI autonomous agents which perform an output-maximizing production  …" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_Autonomous_Organization
10:24 < kanzure> the point of nootropics is to get better at making better nootropics
10:25 < Viper168> kanzure, even then, it's more they're all twacked out and not as interested in nootropics anyways, unless they happen to be stims
10:25 < maaku> kanzure: there'd be money in making a drug that makes you better at buying stuff though
10:25 < kanzure> maaku: like better at doing product review upfront ?
10:26 < cluckj> maaku, it was just talking about the bioethical issues raised by Twins, the 6th Day, Junior, and Total Recall
10:26 < kanzure> 6th day: wah, nobody reads their contracts
10:26 < kanzure> total recall: wah, i was an asshole in the past
10:26 < maaku> kanzure: nah like spend moar money. consumerism yay
10:27 < kanzure> wait, 6th day was the cloning one, right
10:27 < kanzure> so yeah, contracts
10:27 < cluckj> yes
10:27 < maaku> cluckj: more people into mind uploading should watch 6th day
10:27 < kanzure> i'm trying to remember why he was dumb in junior, it's been a while
10:27 < cluckj> junior was the male pregnancy one, and twins was the danny devito one
10:27 < cluckj> everyone should watch all of those movies
10:27 < kanzure> right, but why was it a movie though, i really forget what the conflict was about
10:28 < JayDugger> maaku: There exist drugs that make you better at buying them, you know: alcohol, cocaine, heroin, etc.
10:28 < cluckj> because it was the 90s?
10:28 < kanzure> hardly, you get worse at buying cocaine or something
10:28 < kanzure> (e.g. lower quality becomes okay iirc)
10:30 < kanzure> "Unfortunately, they are not allowed to test it on women since the Food and Drug Administration has not yet approved the drug; so Hesse and Arbogast move forward in their research. In response, Hesse breaks into the laboratory and locks himself in."
10:30 < kanzure> ah, so it was an anti-FDA movie. got it.
10:31 < cluckj> you should love it :P
10:31 < kanzure> right, i do, i just don't remember what the conflict in the mvie was about
10:31 < kanzure> "arnold gets pregnant, various hilarity ensues, uhh the end"
10:32 < cluckj> yes
10:32 < kanzure> *movie
10:34 < kanzure> and for some reason being a clone in the sixth day was supposed to be some sort of terrible thing?
10:34 < cluckj> the cultural anthropology point I was making about all of those movies was that each was based loosely on some upcoming or scifi technology, and deflated fears about them because they were so outlandish as to have people have a (completely goofy) place to start a conversation from
10:35 < kanzure> "and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as family man Adam Gibson, who is cloned without his knowledge or consent in the future of the year 2015."
10:35 < cluckj> IN THE FUTURE
10:36 < kanzure> so as i recall it, the plot wasn't about him being upset about consent, it was about dealing with finding out he's a clone and how he bad that is
10:36 < kanzure> which was retarded
10:36 < kanzure> if anything, being a clone is a wonderful thing
10:36 < cluckj> but then he realized how awesome being a clone was
10:36 < drazak> `/win 124
10:36 < cluckj> and kicked some bad guy ass with his clone
10:38 < cluckj> not some
10:38 < cluckj> ALL the bad guy ass
10:39 < kanzure> "Weir explains that Drucker could lose all his assets if the revelation became public, since clones are devoid of all rights."
10:39 < kanzure> oh brother, i forgot about that part
10:39 < kanzure> obv. the solution is to pretend to be a twin
10:40 < kanzure> did i really see this when i was ten? no wonder i'm spoiled
10:41 < cluckj> maybe you should watch it again
10:41 < kanzure> no, because then i'll just heckle through the entire movie like "gattaca did that first, dorks"
10:43 < Viper168> one of my $20s has blood on it
10:43 < Viper168> anyone want hepatitus?
10:43 < cluckj> nah
10:44 < cluckj> kanzure it's kind of the opposite of gattaca
10:45 < cluckj> gattaca is a super serious drama about genetic modification, the 6th day is....ridiculous
10:45 < kanzure> right
10:45 < cluckj> I absolutely loathe using gattaca when talking about bioethics because it's so heavy-handed
10:45 < Viper168> ridiculous you say, you have my attention
10:46 < kanzure> cluckj: i think that's a good plan, i would be rolling my eyes the whole time
10:46 < cluckj> that's why I use the goofy arnold movies
10:47 < kanzure> this is a bit long and ridiculous but maybe just use this http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1
10:47 < kanzure> and there's a few points that i disagree with but whatever
10:47 < kanzure> (like the interest in suicide/death is totally ridiculous and forced)
10:47 < kanzure> (and pandering)
10:48 < cluckj> hahaha
10:49 < cluckj> it's really easy for a viewer of gattaca to pick out the message of the film because it's so overt
10:49 < kanzure> "He did not sleep that night, wondering if only death awaited him" yes if you continue to be a moron you will die
10:49 < cluckj> the goofy ones are more difficult because people don't usually watch them in the same way
10:50 < kanzure> at one point i had a cool idea about gattaca as demonstrating the virtues of lying but i forget the formulation
10:52 < faddat> hi kanzure :)
10:52 < faddat> how are ya?  Do I know you, or you just cool and sociable?
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10:54 < kanzure> nope, none of those things
11:00 < cluckj> lol
11:03 < cluckj> kanzure, I can see that in the movie
11:03 < Viper168> hmm
11:03 < Viper168> wonder if the inks they use in dollars are soluble in much
11:04 < Viper168> kind of want to wash this one with isopropyl
11:04 < Viper168> that blood is making me paranoid
11:04 < Viper168> want to be sure it's dead
11:07 < cluckj> how can you be sure it's blood?
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11:21 < kanzure> hmm this doesn't add up (gaw scam stuff) http://i.gyazo.com/d1514fd664e7359e0975265db535732f.png
11:26 < delinquentme_> clean git commits HNNNG
11:26 < delinquentme_> https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/graphite-formula/issues/5
11:26 < delinquentme_> dat history
11:27 < kanzure> why is "pbkdf2_sha256$10000$wZuRMciV2VKr$OAtsP+BksbR2DPQUEsY728cbIJmuYf4uXg4tLLGsvi4=" hardcoded
11:28 < Viper168> cluckj, it looks too close to be much of anything else
11:29 < Viper168> it could be some weird new dye that is an red/brown old blood color
11:29 < Viper168> but i think those are brighter
11:29 < Viper168> *a
11:34 < delinquentme_> kanzure, i know.
11:35 < delinquentme_> theres lots of stuff in there that needs repair ... including hardcoded secretkey
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12:05 < kanzure> "take me to your centrifuge"
12:07 < delinquentme_> kanzure, do you feel like you know things well?
12:07 < delinquentme_> like not 2 mins ago I was like " I feel pretty confident w git "
12:07 < delinquentme_> then I get shit on
12:07 < delinquentme_> its weird.  Like you want to be confident in your skills , but then complexity .
12:08 < heath> https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-18/dc-18-presentations/Blake-bitemytaco/DEFCON-18-Blake-bitemytaco-Hacking-DOCSIS.pdf
12:09 < kanzure> delinquentme_: i can't answer your git questions based on that limited info
12:10 < delinquentme_> perhaps: " how do you strike a healthy balance between confidence + knowing that you don't know it all ? "
12:11 < kanzure> you don't have to do any balancing whatsoever, git insulates you from idiocy pretty well
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12:16 < heath> if you haven't already checked it out: http://elixir-lang.org/getting_started/1.html
12:17 < heath> getting started guide for elixir
12:34 < kragen> i've had a couple of people tell me the thought elixir was interesting
12:34 < kragen> they
12:35 < kragen> don't understand why
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13:09 < heath> kragen: here's an answer for you: http://ninenines.eu/docs/en/cowboy/1.0/guide/erlang_web/
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13:20 < spacefelix> .
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13:22 < heath> ^ethan
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13:22 < heath> yo spacefelix
13:22 < spacefelix> .
13:22 < heath> welcome to the channel
13:22 < spacefelix> Sup heath
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13:23 < heath> kragen, jrayhawk_: do we have a list of people who mostly focus on space?
13:24 < kanzure> what do you need this list for?
13:24 < heath> spacefelix has been in the industry awhile
13:24 < heath> just people in the channel
13:25 < heath> we need a channel diff tool so we can see who idles in here and some other channel, e.g. ##space
13:25 < heath> er, #space
13:26 < spacefelix> There exists a #space
13:27 < kanzure> spacefelix: http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/
13:28 < spacefelix> Awesome.
13:29 < spacefelix> I recall a talk at a space on where they discussed hplus as a tool for space exploration.
13:30 < spacefelix> Robotics and automation for Island One integrated into human cyborgnauts.
13:30 < spacefelix> They had this great talk on cryosleep.
13:30 < kanzure> for the moment it seems that robotics are a more economical and faster way for space exploration
13:30 < kanzure> and then use brain emulation to send humans if you really need to
13:31 < spacefelix> This woman was freezing nematodes to see what chemical sauce in them would preserve them.
13:31 < kanzure> i believe nematodes recover pretty easily anyway though?
13:31 < spacefelix> First few tries would die or have seizures when they were thawed out.
13:32 < spacefelix> Not quite.
13:32 < kanzure> for nematodes, i would recommend doing directed evolution projects to find nematodes that survive more often than not
13:32 < kanzure> and then over time you can look at the genetic differences between the ones that died and the ones that were able to survive the process
13:33 < spacefelix> She was trying to biomimic insects natural antifreeze/cryopreservation method.
13:33 < kanzure> and then you repeat this with other organisms until you work your way up to hominids
13:33 < spacefelix> In nematodes.
13:33 < spacefelix> Similar biology to human tissue.
13:34 < spacefelix> Mm.
13:34 < kanzure> i would be surprised to find out that, in larger organisms, antifreeze proteins are enough to survive cryopreservation
13:35 < eudoxia> maybe animals that survive very low-temperature hypothermia have evolved mechanisms to flush out ice-blocking proteins
13:36 < kanzure> flush?
13:37 < nmz787> streety: those options didn't come up when I googled something yesterday, though I did try hyde I think... basically they were all too heavy for my taste. Other than the HTML template stuff (~130 lines) the Python itself is only ~30 lines
13:37 < eudoxia> like a reverse perfusion, replace them with normal fluids, since most of those ice blockers are cytotoxic
13:38 < kanzure> oh, are the fish antifreeze proteins cytotoxic to fish?
13:38 < eudoxia> i doubt it, that's why i said maybe their bodies remove them as they thaw
13:41 < nmz787> I know it was centered around Arnold, but there was also a comedy called Multiplicity with Michael Keaton
13:41 < nmz787> (the convo was around arnold)
13:47 < nmz787> how do I diagnose a web page looking funny in Android Chrome?
13:47 < nmz787> my github blog seems like the body padding of 80px isn't working as it does on linux Chrome
13:55 < kanzure> you can use weinre to do remote debugging
13:56 < kanzure> http://debug.build.phonegap.com/
14:02 < ParahSailin> that "truly ergonomic" keyboard is truly awful
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14:07 < nmz787> i really should get to CAD stuff rather than debugging this blog
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14:26 < heath> sec registration form for winklevoss bitcoin trust http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514457552/d721187ds1a.htm
14:28 < heath> spacefelix: which part of cali are you located in?
14:29 < spacefelix> Heath: Antelope Valley.  1 hour north of LA, near Mojave, CA.
14:35 < nmz787> spacefelix: ever been to Deep Creek hotsprings?
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16:32 < kanzure> 15:58 <@gmaxwell> This is pretty cool: http://www.newae.com/  sort of a prefab tool kit for sidechannel analysis and glitching attacks. (mostly targeted at small microcontrollers/smartcards)
16:32 < kanzure> https://www.assembla.com/spaces/chipwhisperer/wiki
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18:38 < JayDugger> Crystal Silence, Japanese SF on terraforming Mars, in English at http://www.kurodahan.com/mt/e/catalog/j0004cate.html
18:44 < superkuh> Sounds like a fun read. I can't find non-DRM digital copies to buy or pirate though.
18:44 < bkero> hrm
18:44  * bkero thinks he's heard of that before
18:45  * bkero just picked up The Windup Girl today because he finished the first 2 Merchant Princes books (omnibus)
18:50 < JayDugger> Yeah. Had the same problem with the publisher's "Lairs of the Hidden Gods" anthology. Those are on my to-scan list.
18:50 < nmz787> kanzure: git subtree or copy 'shared' code into dependent projects?
18:50 < nmz787> kanzure: or git submodules, though someone was complaining about them
18:51 < kanzure> depends on what you're doing
18:51 < kanzure> dependencies should be packages that you install
18:51 < kanzure> dependencies should go into dependency lists (like requirements.pip, requirements.apt, whatever)
18:54 < kanzure> all violations of this should trigger a payment to me earmarked "The quickening" and no questions
19:00 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwupP6c5KNs
19:00 < yoleaux> Gregory Esayan - Call Of Space (Original Mix) [Arrival] - YouTube
19:04 < nmz787> well I want to put my microfluidics verbnurbs stuff in a blog post on my github.io, which I have as a git repo... I also have my verb repo... so I would think my github.io repo should be able to refer to the verb repo, that way I can serve the verb .js files from github.io (since trying to use the file from the verb repo github raw link won't work AFAIK)
19:04 < kanzure> in nodejs land, put your requirements in package.json
19:05 < kanzure> the npm tool has a thingy to generate a default package.json i believe
19:05 < nmz787> well I don't even see the point of why I installed nodejs, when I do all the rendering with Chromium
19:05 < kanzure> you can also use npm and package.json plus browserify to generate html pages that include your modified version of verbnurbs
19:05 < nmz787> I haven't used node at all AFAIK
19:05 < kanzure> technically you have used node by using npm
19:05 < nmz787> well I mean I haven't taken advantage of that
19:06 < kanzure> node/npm is useful even if you are not running a server
19:06 < nmz787> I have only been editing the example HTML page with custom JS
19:06 < nmz787> then refreshing my chrome tab
19:06 < kanzure> a bunch of people, including yours truly, do frontend development work with node, even though i have zero expectations of ever serving up the content through a node-hosted http server or application server
19:06 < nmz787> why do that rather than use file://
19:06 < nmz787> ?
19:06 < kanzure> as an example, lots of people use grunt and gulp to build frontend html assets (which is basically what you're doing here)
19:06 < kanzure> file:// does not work over the interwebs, for one.........
19:07 < nmz787> but you said you'd never use node online
19:07 < kanzure> assets have to be generated
19:07 < kanzure> then you upload the assets
19:07 < kanzure> you have at least three assets as far as i can tell: 1) your custom verbnurbs.js 2) your custom pile of js that uses your custom verbnurbs version 3) at least one html page that has to load both of those things
19:07 < nmz787> do you mean the verb library has already been generated, and that's what I've been using?
19:07 < kanzure> this is an excellent use case for browserify
19:07 < nmz787> and that the library is genearated with node?
19:08 < kanzure> (also, browserify is absurdly easy to use)
19:08 < kanzure> i assumed you meant you had made changes to verbnurbs when you said "my verb repo"
19:09 < kanzure> .g gulp browserify example
19:09 < yoleaux> https://www.npmjs.com/package/gulp-browserify
19:09 < nmz787> well, I did I guess, some part of it (which was actually another repo but was in verb's file structure)
19:10 < nmz787> https://github.com/nmz787/verb/commit/13f186b73b81b5fde27741ab8be6a99677d6227a
19:10 < nmz787>  example/js/lightgl.js
19:10 < nmz787> example/js/viewer.js
19:10 < kanzure> wow very disappointing https://github.com/nmz787/verb/tree/13f186b73b81b5fde27741ab8be6a99677d6227a/example/js
19:10 < kanzure> numeric-1.2.6.min.js haha
19:11 < kanzure> nobody knows how to use toolchains anymore :(
19:11 < kanzure> i guess this is a compromise he picked so he didn't have to expect people to run things like "grunt build" or "gulp build"
19:11 < kanzure> but weren't you running grunt to build verb in the first place?
19:11 < kanzure> so he shouldn't assume he has to vendorize minified js -_-
19:12 < kanzure> looking for an example for you...
19:13 < kanzure> wtf "community currated list of hexagon logos" https://github.com/maxogden/hexbin/tree/gh-pages/hexagons
19:13 < nmz787> well I chose not to study 'Computer Science' at college, so my attention is categorically less focused on complex ecosystems, though I don't want to discount some sort of such system. I just don't really understand why someone would /want/ to use node.js with verb unless they already had been using node.js for other stuff.
19:13 < nmz787> I ran grunt in some tests dir
19:13 < nmz787> to run tests
19:14 < kanzure> nodejs is not just for running servers
19:14 < nmz787> but the tests were just JS, so I just immediately started using the HTML to test NURBS stuff
19:14 < kanzure> it's also often a part of build toolchains
19:14 < kanzure> for example, minification before uploading to cdn or whatever server
19:15 < kanzure> "streaming interface to the archive.org APIs" https://github.com/maxogden/internet-archive
19:15 < nmz787> since in cmd line I wouldn't know if my shape looked right, even if it was passing the test (or not erroring)
19:15 < kanzure> still looking tho
19:15 < kanzure> no, that's unrelated
19:15 < nmz787> in that sense, checking syntax I guess is a nice feature of cmd line JS
19:15 < nmz787> or using it like for scripting
19:16 < kanzure> in this particular case your build toolchain would do these things for you: package all of your dependencies into a js bundle, load the js bundle from an html page, create an html page that loads everything, and also loads your application source code from another bundle (possibly automatically so you can see updates in real time)
19:16 < kanzure> once you have your output/built/build artifacts, you would just put them wherever the hell you want- in a blog, on a server, etc
19:17 < kanzure> (in this particular case you would put a reference to your custom verbnurbs package in package.json through a git:// url instead of leaving the default verbnurbs dependency telling npm to fetch from npmjs.org, which obv. isn't the one with your changes)
19:17 < nmz787> hmm, well I wasn't able to introspect that much utility from the files in the verb repo top-level dir
19:18 < kanzure> did you do the frontend things for takeitapart.com?
19:18 < nmz787> very little
19:18 < kanzure> meh nevermind, i guess django frontend is different anyway (their default tutorials tell people to do silly things like "serve up your frontend from your api server")
19:19 < kanzure> (well, that's not objectively silly, but i mean, they could do better)
19:19 < nmz787> yeah I did a lot with assembling responses in django, but not CSS if that's what you meant
19:19 < nmz787> weinre was relatively easy to get setup
19:19 < kanzure> i have a private repo that i can add you into if you would like to see a custom frontend i did a while back
19:19 < nmz787> after wasting time trying to get a bookmarklet on android 4.4 Chrome
19:20 < nmz787> (didn't work)
19:20 < kanzure> however, the downside is that you wont be able to share it
19:20 < kanzure> since apparently i can't find a good public example
19:20 < nmz787> such a shit OS+software suite, didn't even error or complain, bookmark screen just disappeared only for me to later find the bookmark absent
19:21 < nmz787> I was just working in a copy of this file in this dir on my local repo https://github.com/nmz787/verb/blob/master/example/threeSurfaceSplitExample.html
19:22 < kanzure> this is an okay example, https://github.com/shiftsave/gulp-frontend-scaffold-v1.0/blob/master/gulpfile.coffee
19:22 < kanzure> the downside is that this person is using coffeescript, so just squint and pretend you are reading javascript
19:22 < nmz787> so those cs, js, and assest dirs would need to be on my github.io repo if I would want the parts to render there
19:22 < kanzure> (in particular look at the bottom)
19:23 < kanzure> i'm not the best person to ask about github.io page hosting, i think committing each version of compiled assets is a little bit on the crazy side... but i bet people do it...
19:23 < kanzure> you could look at what pboyer is doing for his github.io page :p
19:24 < nmz787> my problem isn't really assembling the files, I just think that since I need to commit those dirs along with my HTML to github.io repo, then it would be nice if git also knew that they were really just a snapshot of a different repo
19:24 < kanzure> ah nevermind, he's not using github.io for his verbnurbs marketing stuff
19:24 < nmz787> well that is just how you interact with github.io, upside is it's free hosting :)
19:24 < nmz787> http://pboyer.github.io/ doesn't work for me
19:26 < kanzure> s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com
19:26 < kanzure> nevermind
19:26 < kanzure> he's just pushing to an s3 bucket
19:27 < nmz787> so have you used either git submodule or subtree?
19:28 < kanzure> both
19:28 < kanzure> i don't think that committing compiled assets is a good idea
19:29 < kanzure> which is what you need to do to use submodules and subtrees
19:29 < nmz787> someone mentioned this as an alternative https://code.google.com/p/git-repo/
19:29 < kanzure> that's overkill for your problem
19:29 < kanzure> you do not have 1000 git repos
19:29 < nmz787> they aren't compiled as I can tell, it's just HTML edits
19:29 < kanzure> verbnurbs.js is compiled
19:29 < nmz787> minified, yeah
19:30 < nmz787> idk if it was assembled from other smaller files
19:30 < kanzure> same thing, the point is that it's a file that is the output of a build pipeline
19:31 < nmz787> I have no idea what these are there for, for example, were they required to produce the build dir minified .js file? /home/nathan/Projects/verb/node_modules/grunt-benchmark
19:31 < kanzure> see https://github.com/pboyer/verb/blob/04ec1095aefb9a53e7b5ab9ccdef442fd949f4ac/package.json
19:32 < kanzure> "dependencies" are the dependencies that are required in verbnurbs.js for normal operation of the software
19:32 < kanzure> "devDependencies" are dependencies required to build and modify verbnurbs.js
19:32 < kanzure> node_modules/ is where npm puts all of the dependencies it downloads as specified in package.json files
19:32 < kanzure> you passed -g to npm a while back and that's because you were installing a package "globally" (e.g. not in the local directory's node_modules/ but instead system-wide)
19:33 < nmz787> hmm, so numeric got compiled into /home/nathan/Projects/verb/example/js/binomial.js  ?
19:33 < nmz787> or /home/nathan/Projects/verb/example/js/binomial.js  ?
19:33 < nmz787> and /home/nathan/Projects/verb/build/verb.js ?
19:33 < kanzure> well according to https://github.com/pboyer/verb/tree/04ec1095aefb9a53e7b5ab9ccdef442fd949f4ac/example/js it seems that there's a numeric.min.js file
19:34 < kanzure> looks like numeric is 70 kilobytes when minified, there
19:34 < kanzure> so he may not be including that in verb by default (i think he should)
19:34 < nmz787> so it was just copied from /home/nathan/Projects/verb/node_modules/numeric/numeric-1.2.6.min.js  ?
19:34 < kanzure> (well, there are various reasons not to, like "your users might already have a cached copy of the same version of numeric thanks to some other cdn server they have hit")
19:35 < kanzure> binomial.js is not numeric
19:35 < nmz787> /home/nathan/Projects/verb/node_modules/binomial/src/binomial.js
19:35 < kanzure> node_modules/numeric/numeric-1.2.6.min.js is installed because in package.json under "dependencies" is listed "numeric"
19:36 < kanzure> now, somewhere in this source code should be something like require('numeric'); otherwise his entry of "numeric" in "dependencies" in package.json is pointless
19:36 < nmz787> ahh well /home/nathan/Projects/verb/example/js/verb.js is 109 kB
19:36 < nmz787> but /home/nathan/Projects/verb/src/verb.js is only 16 kB
19:37 < nmz787> so I guess those dirs got compiled in too
19:37 < kanzure> example/js/verb.js is probably the compiled version
19:37 < kanzure> and src/verb.js is just an entrypoint
19:37 < nmz787> (the dirs in verb/src)
19:37 < kanzure> https://github.com/pboyer/verb/blob/7ff3c4376c7b864a0dc4230981ad3114314d4198/src/verb.js
19:38 < kanzure> require('numeric') require('binomial') require('labor') <-- that'll definitely increase compiled size
19:38 < kanzure> he specifies his source files in Gruntfile.js https://github.com/pboyer/verb/blob/7ff3c4376c7b864a0dc4230981ad3114314d4198/Gruntfile.js#L13
19:38 < kanzure> personally i don't like doing that, but whatevs
19:39 < nmz787> nah I don't think so, or not much, since all three are in examples/js
19:39 < kanzure> i prefer using require('core/whatever') everywhere and then using browserify to generate a browser-compatible version
19:39 < kanzure> yes, i just explained it is Gruntifle.js's instructions that are causing the bloat
19:40 < kanzure> "bloat" (actually it's not really bloat, just necessary bytes, depending on how charitable you want to be describing the use of numeric) (i think numeric is prolly a good idea)
19:40 < nmz787> so will you write an STL and BMP top-down (at least) slice output for this in the next 2 months or so?
19:41 < nmz787> I won't have much time after this week until prob march for projects again
19:41 < kanzure> 21:21 < kragen> nmz787: my own STL export code is in this ten-line function: https://github.com/kragen/stl3dpy/blob/master/stl3d.py#L68
19:41 < nmz787> that is if I get my waitlisted spot position in this analytical chem class upcoming
19:41 < kanzure> after generating an stl file you can go use some other slicer
19:41 < kanzure> reimplementing a slicer should not be on your todo list
19:42 < nmz787> in implicitcad it was able to generate a slice much faster, though it wasn't really a slice, as much as a non-extruded 2D layer
19:44 < nmz787> yeah I didn't really understand how kragen's code would apply to verbnurbs, or rather how to figure out where the triangles could be listed out at
19:44 < kanzure> normally in opengl/webgl land i would tell you that the person is probably using the opengl tesssellation stuff, but it looks like verbnurbs might have its own implementation
19:44 < kanzure> which spits out a bag of triangles
19:45 < kanzure> https://github.com/pboyer/verb/blob/7ff3c4376c7b864a0dc4230981ad3114314d4198/src/eval/tessellate.js
19:45 < nmz787> in the examples there are two distinct ways to use HTML, one with three.js, and one with that viewer.js that I modified
19:45 < kanzure> i think you would just call one of these functions and get a list of triangles
19:45 < nmz787> and the lightgl lib
19:46 < kanzure> https://github.com/pboyer/verb/blob/7ff3c4376c7b864a0dc4230981ad3114314d4198/example/threeSurfaceExample.html#L91
19:46 < kanzure> var mesh = verb.eval.tessellate_rational_surface_adaptive(....)
19:47 < kanzure> var geometry = tessellate(srf, mesh);
19:47 < kanzure> var material = new THREE.MeshNormalMaterial( { side: THREE.DoubleSide, wireframe: false, shading: THREE.SmoothShading,  } );
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20:19 < nmz787> kanzure: parametric parabolic channel http://nmz787.github.io/html/microfluidics_cad.html
20:20 < nmz787> zoom works with middle mouse, and ctrl+left mouse allows stepping around
20:22 < nmz787> for some reason I need to refresh to get the mouse movement to work
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22:01 < kanzure> kernel key retention service https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/security/keys.txt
22:23 < fenn> words words words words
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22:29 < kanzure> today was a good day, i cracked out a few thousand lines of code
22:30 < kanzure> athough none of those lines were paperbot tests
22:32 < fenn> bad news for indians https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141231/02075529554/indian-government-orders-32-web-sites-blocked-including-github-archiveorg-pastebin-dailymotion-vimeo.shtml
22:32 < fenn> what code did you write?
22:33 < fenn> so much for narendra modi being jesus reborn
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22:50 < kanzure> top secret code
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