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06:39 < justanotheruser> pong
06:41 < kanzure> sup
06:44 < justanotheruser> getting started with lfs
06:52 < kanzure> linux from scratch?
06:52 < justanotheruser> yeah
06:53 < justanotheruser> I hope it isn't that much more tedious than it sounds
06:53 < chris_99> heh, why are you doing that out of interest, to learn linux more?
06:53 < kanzure> can't be more tedious than understanding bitcoin
06:54 < justanotheruser> chris_99: understand linux, and it would be nice to be able to create a system that does what I want and only what I want.
06:55 < justanotheruser> kanzure: it's probably much better documented than bitcoin
06:57 < kanzure> justanotheruser: i ran into someone who was quoting bitcoin documentation in an argument, but it turns out the documentation was wrong, so https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/713
06:57 < kanzure> the documentation is actually quite poor in a few areas, who wrote this stuff?
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07:13 < justanotheruser> kanzure: someone quoted the documentation and said that 51/100 mining individuals could attack the network or something to that effect?
07:13 < kanzure> justanotheruser: the misconception was something about miners and voting
07:14 < justanotheruser> kanzure: I actually use the same terminology and have in the last week written some documentation that says almost the same thing you corrected.
07:14 < justanotheruser> "51% of miners"
07:14 < kanzure> hehe
07:14 < kanzure> yeah it's hard to get this right
07:15  * justanotheruser goes and substitutes miners with hashrate
07:15 < justanotheruser> miners do vote though
07:15 < justanotheruser> some have more votes. I guess their confusion was from thinking all miners had equal votes?
07:15 < kanzure> which particular thing do you think is like a vote?
07:16 < justanotheruser> a hash
07:16 < kanzure> why is that anything like a vote?
07:16 < justanotheruser> also your votes are only counted 1/10000000000000 of the time
07:17 < justanotheruser> kanzure: Because the fork with the majority of voters will win over time
07:17 < justanotheruser> Voting isn't a perfect analogy :P
07:18 < kanzure> "majority of voters" is bullshit. even if vote was a good analogy (which it isn't), it's still wrong when you say "majority of voters".
07:18 < justanotheruser> s/voters/votes/
07:18 < kanzure> hehe
07:19 < justanotheruser> "Sorry to be a wet blanket. Writing a description for (bitcoin) for general audiences is bloody hard. There’s nothing to relate it to." - satoshi
07:34 < kanzure> "In vitro fertilization within microfluidic channels requires lower total numbers and lower concentrations of spermatozoa"
07:34 < kanzure> makes sense to me
07:37 < kanzure> "High-throughput optofluidic system for the laser microsurgery of oocytes" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3380719/ (why?)
07:38 < kanzure> "Engineering spatial gradients of signaling proteins using magnetic nanoparticles"
07:40 < kanzure> "...we will focus on recent advances based on magnetic nanoparticles conjugated to proteins to trigger specific signaling pathways and cellular processes. Extracellular or intracellular manipulations of nanoparticles permit magnetic control of ion channels and membrane receptor activation, protein positioning within cells and cytoskeleton spatial engineering. These approaches provide powerful strategies to examine the organization ...
07:40 < kanzure> ... principles of living cells."
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07:51 < kanzure> "On the nature of the compact dark mass at the galactic center" http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0512211.pdf
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08:02 < kanzure> "Magnetic fields in the galactic Universe, as observed in supershells, galaxies, intergalactic and cosmic realms"  "... Here I present a survey of magnetic fields in large objects, from the interstellar supershells (10 pc) up to the edge of the Universe (near a redshift z of 10), with an emphasis on discoveries made in the last decade, be they through particle astronomy or electromagnetic astronomy. For each type of object, the basic ...
08:02 < kanzure> ... observational properties are summarized, and the best theoretical scenario which accounts for the large body of observations is discussed. The strength of these large-scale fields can vary from mGauss to μGauss. Magnetism acts as a tracer of the dynamical histories of cosmological and intracluster events, it guides the motion of the interstellar ionised gas, and it aligns the charged dust particles."
08:07 < kanzure> "The timescale for the galaxy is huge. Probably several orders of magnitude greater than current estimates of the age of the universe. This is plenty of time for life to have arisen many times over on suitable planets. When these planets are destroyed (as their sun falls into the centre) some of the molecules may survive and and be recycled into new planets. Thus in a steady state planets will start out seeded with molecules which will ...
08:08 < kanzure> ... help to start life over again. Indeed standard selection processes over a galactic timescale will favour lifeforms which can arise easily from the debris left over from their ultimate demise in the galactic centre." http://www.mysearch.org.uk/website1/pdf/642%202.1%20struc-gal.pdf
08:08 < kanzure> well that's one idea... heh.
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08:29 < kanzure> "The calculations of general relativity on massive celestial bodies collapsing into singular black holes are wrong" http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=52426
08:29 < kanzure> pdf http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?paperID=52426
08:29 < kanzure> nsh: what do you make of this
08:30 < nsh> "had a series and serious of mistakes."
08:31 < nsh> but yeah, sounds plausible
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08:55 < kanzure> ParahSailin: suppose i had 40-50 rabbits available for antibody production. should i take this?
08:57 < kanzure> "77 day protocol includes 2 ELISAs (rabbit) $425.00/rabbit" on scienceexchange
08:57 < kanzure> that is not much
09:07 < ParahSailin> i imagine having rabbits is the easy part
09:08 < kanzure> ParahSailin: go on
09:08 < kanzure> ParahSailin: hard part is wherenow?
09:08 < ParahSailin> wetlab?
09:09 < kanzure> ELISA? or what
09:16 < kanzure> "A physical brain size no larger than a human seems like a pretty arbitrary constraint to me. The fastest signals in the human brain move at a couple of hundred meters a second, many are far slower, light moves at 300 million meters per second. So if you insist that the 2 most distant parts of a brain communicate as fast as they do in a human brain (and it's not immediately obvious why you should insist on that)  then parts in the brain ...
09:16 < kanzure> ... of a AI could be at least one million times as distant. The volume increases by the cube of the distance so such a brain would physically be a million trillion times larger than a human brain. Even if 99.9% of that volume were used just to deliver power and get rid of waste heat you'd still have a thousand trillion times as much volume for logic and memory components as humans have room for inside their heads. And the components ...
09:16 < kanzure> ... inside the AI would be considerably smaller than the components inside the human."
09:23 < sheena> rabbits?
09:25 < sheena> ParahSailin: im interested in hearing about the "hard part" of the stuff bryan is discussing
09:29 < ParahSailin> i take it the elisa is to test the affinity of the polyclonal antibody
09:29 < sheena> ok.
09:29 < sheena> im under the impression that people will purchase rabbit serum
09:29 < ParahSailin> yeah thats what it is
09:29 < sheena> after said rabbit has been innoculated with X antigen
09:29 < sheena> so the elisa test woul dbe to confirm this worked?
09:30 < ParahSailin> http://www.research.fsu.edu/acuc/Policies_Guidelines/Antibody%20Production_Polyclonal.pdf
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09:42 < ParahSailin> doesnt appear that hard
09:43 < ParahSailin> people dont appear to expect affinity purification for 400
09:43 < kanzure> so you ship them blood back?
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09:50 < ParahSailin> yes
09:51 < sheena> blood or serum?
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10:05 < yashgaroth> the rabbit polyclonals I've gotten were in plasma
10:07 < yashgaroth> ELISAs are more to quantify since polyclonals are gonna have all different affinities
10:07 < kanzure> is rabbit market saturated
10:07 < kanzure> 'cause sheena has access to a bunch of rabbits and it is convenient
10:07 < sheena> i can do plasma. just need edta?
10:08 < yashgaroth> and a centrifuge, but yeah I think so
10:08 < yashgaroth> I think the big producers have economies of scale on their side
10:08 < kanzure> how big is big?
10:09 < kanzure> i think sheena could handle 100 rabbits without much effort at the moment
10:09 < sheena> 100 in a day? naw
10:09 < sheena> the city would come after me
10:09 < kanzure> what do you mean by day?
10:09 < sheena> at a time
10:09 < kanzure> feeding?
10:09 < sheena> i cannot have 100 rabbits living on this property in any given moment
10:09 < sheena> i mean
10:09 < kanzure> isn't it a farm?
10:10 < sheena> for a few hours it'd be ok, if like, they arrived in the morning and left in the evening
10:10 < sheena> we;re in city limits
10:10 < sheena> bylaws suck
10:10 < kanzure> haha
10:10 < kanzure> ok
10:10 < sheena> 100 would be enough to be incredibly inconvenient at best
10:10 < sheena> 40 is a good number, but some of those are breeders
10:10 < sheena> 4 litters is very reasonable, 6 would be ok. so say.. 24-36 young rabbits
10:10 < sheena> as long as i can kill em at 12 weeks, its not bad
10:11 < sheena> i wouldnt want to start with/commit to any more than 36 at a time to start with
10:11 < sheena> but tehy'd be rotating im sure.. some being born as others are culled ec?
10:11 < yashgaroth> wait are these food rabbits? like 'oh what a waste my dinner isn't making polyclonals'?
10:11 < kanzure> more of a money thing
10:12 < yashgaroth> I imagine the cost of becoming legit is the bar to entry, also I have no idea how big the big producers are but like tens of thousands of rabbits maybe?
10:13 < sheena> legit was my conern also
10:13 < sheena> who will buy from random farm rabbit blood
10:13 < sheena> but i could corner the market on free range humane raised rabbit blood
10:13 < sheena> if there is such a thing
10:13 < sheena> ethical rabbit serum? :)
10:14 < yashgaroth> free range is undesirable since you don't want rabbits that encounter random normal infections
10:14 < yashgaroth> the more horrifically caged the better tbh
10:16 < sheena> yeah
10:16 < sheena> thats an issue
10:16 < sheena> im not interested in raising sterile rabbits
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10:23 < ParahSailin> yeah they dont need to be sterile to make usable antisera
10:25 < sheena> obviously
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10:35 < kanzure> which accreditation
10:50 < AmbulatoryCortex> why rabbits and not, say, chickens?
10:51 < yashgaroth> chicken antibodies don't bind protein a/g which is the standard and by-far best method of purifying antibodies
10:52 < AmbulatoryCortex> ah
10:52 < AmbulatoryCortex> could they be engineered to do so?
10:53 < AmbulatoryCortex> rather, would it be feasible to do so
10:53 < AmbulatoryCortex> of course they *could* for sufficient quantities of money and time
10:55 < yashgaroth> not worth the effort I'd guess
11:00 < kanzure> and you would just use eggs anyway
11:00 < AmbulatoryCortex> yeah, that was part of the question
11:01 < AmbulatoryCortex> chickens produce more, but yashgaroth's answer makes sense
11:02 < AmbulatoryCortex> little egg factories they are
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12:19 < kanzure> "Black holes: attractors for intelligence?" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.4362.pdf
12:24 < kanzure> one of the predictions here should be multiple stars being consumed by a black hole, right?
12:32 < AmbulatoryCortex> who says the black hole would be large?
12:33 < AmbulatoryCortex> you can get some serious power output from microscopic black holes
12:34 < AmbulatoryCortex> as a bonus, you can make said microscopic black holes instead of needing to traverse lightyears
12:43 < chris_99> how does one make one?
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12:52 < kanzure> ross ulbricht defense team is costing him at least $35k/day
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14:06 < kanzure> cluckj: take a look starting at page 209 (and if you need context, i suppose reading page 203 wouldn't hurt) http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1648.pdf
14:06 < kanzure> (this document is about a variation of lee smolin's cosmological natural selection called cosmological artificial selection)
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14:08 < kanzure> "I fully support Shklovsky's dictum that every object must be assumed natural until proven otherwise." - Freeman Dyson in (Dyson et al. 1973, 189)
14:08 < kanzure> "Extraterrestrial intelligence is the explanation of last resort, when all else fails." - Carl Sagan in (Dyson et al. 1973, 228)
14:08 < kanzure> "I fully disagree with Shklovsky, Dyson and Sagan and hold that every strange phenomena must be assumed natural or artificial unless proven otherwise." - this dude
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14:20 < kanzure> "We can think much more systematically about life-as-we-don't-know it. This was done by Robert A. Freitas Jr. who wrote Xenology (1979), the most comprehensive and systematic study of extraterrestrial life, intelligence and civilization I am aware of. This long volume covers a much broader scope than the classical –and also very good– book by Shklovskii and Sagan (1966). I consider it a rare scientific masterpiece. Most of the book ...
14:20 < kanzure> ... was written in 1979, although Freitas is
14:20 < kanzure> constantly updating it, and made it freely available on the web (www.xenology.info)."
14:20 < kanzure> how the hell am i not aware of that?
14:20 < kanzure> freitas is keeping stuff from me
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14:21 < kanzure> http://www.xenology.info/Xeno.htm table of contents
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14:36 < kanzure> huh it is listed on his home page
14:36 < kanzure> welp....
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14:50 < eudoxia> kanzure: i'm pretty certain i remember you discovering that book a few years ago
14:50 < eudoxia> or maybe that was fenn
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15:20 < kanzure> "Are black hole starships possible" http://arxiv.org/pdf/0908.1803.pdf
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15:39 < eudoxia> the paper is interesting, because they don't only show how you could use black holes to build relativistic probes, but relativistic probes with masses in the hundreds of thousands of tonnes
15:40 < eudoxia> as opposed to Project Valkyrie that would mass next to nothing
15:40 < eudoxia> s/Valkyrie/Valkyrie spacecraft
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15:57 < balrog> kanzure: how do you use the document bot?
15:57 < balrog> I forget
15:57 < balrog> !paperbot http://scitation.aip.org/content/asa/journal/jasa/83/6/10.1121/1.396277
15:57 < balrog> hmm
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16:01 < balrog> anyone?
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16:09 < yashgaroth> paperbot's not here maaaan
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16:38 < kanzure> "The main advantage of spacecraft navigation using X-ray sources is that small sized detectors can be employed (P. S. Ray, Wood, and Phlips 2006). This provides savings in power and mass for spacecraft operations. Another advantage of using X-ray sources is that they are widely distributed. The geometric dispersion of pulsars in the sky is important to enhance accuracy of threedimensional position estimation since the observability of ...
16:38 < kanzure> ... the source is an important issue. An important complication that must be addressed in utilizing an X-ray source in a navigation system is the timing glitches in its rotation rates. Of X-ray pulsars, ones that are bright and have extremely stable and predictable rotation rates are suitable candidates for the purpose of navigation. These sources are usually older pulsars that have rotation periods on the order of several milliseconds."
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17:11 < kanzure> today this guy got hit by a train and died https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQpNZy_Ti50&feature=youtu.be&t=8s
17:11 < superkuh> Hah.
17:13 < kanzure> yep..
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17:34 < balrog> yashgaroth: what happened to it?
17:36 < kanzure> many bugs
17:36 < kanzure> not enough tests
17:41 < balrog> :/
17:42 < kanzure> balrog: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
18:01 < kanzure> http://www.coindesk.com/federal-reserve-bank-vp-protocol-just-like-bitcoin/
18:02 < kanzure> humor.
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19:08 < kanzure> .title https://highenergyastrobiology.wordpress.com/scientific-proposals/
19:08 < yoleaux> Scientific Proposals | High Energy Astrobiology
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19:22 < kanzure> .title http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=11237
19:22 < yoleaux> Toward an Interstellar Archaeology
19:22 < kanzure> dyson sphere hunting
19:46 < kanzure> "Temporal naturalism" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.8539.pdf
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20:51 < kanzure> aren't pulsars are a little unreasonable?
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21:41 < nmz787> huh, this site/sudomain exists http://3dprint.nih.gov/discover/3dpx-000748
21:41 < nmz787> .title
21:41 < yoleaux> NK cell lytic synapse F-actin | NIH 3D Print Exchange
21:41 < nmz787> subdomain*
21:44 < nmz787> .title http://3dprint.nih.gov/discover/3dpx-000606
21:44 < yoleaux> Micromanipulator | NIH 3D Print Exchange
21:44 < nmz787> http://3dprint.nih.gov/sites/all/modules/pubdlcnt/pubdlcnt.php?file=http://3dprint.nih.gov/sites/default/files/models/classroom_supplementals/Manipulator%20assembly%20Instructions_0.pdf&nid=2556
21:45 < nmz787> hmm, I guess it's just a 3 or 4 axis CNC basically
21:46 < nmz787> https://tombaden.wordpress.com/tinkering/
21:47 < sheena> local group is gonna try to put a cnc router together
21:47 < sheena> this is exciting
21:48 < nmz787> http://trendinafrica.org/activities/open-source/open-source-main/
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