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01:13 < archels> nmz787: was just reading backlog, any more info on your old roommate's tDCS?
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01:26 < nmz787> na
01:26 < nmz787> :/
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01:28 < nmz787> this is a decent deal, though arguably not a very impressive processor $60 for something plus 200MB data/month for free http://slickdeals.net/f/7616348-oioo-7-android-tablet-with-free-200mb-t-mobile-4g-every-month-60-fs-kmart-com?v=1
01:29 < nmz787> that leads to t-mobiles $10 SIM card which allows (certain approved, whatever that means) devices to get the free 200MB/month
01:58 < archels> could you give me a poke when he replies?
01:58  * archels is working on same type of project, might be interesting to shoot some ideas across
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03:31 < kanzure> http://indie.bio/indiebio-sf-announces-first-class-11-biotech-startups/
03:31 < kanzure> howdy eudoxia
03:32 < eudoxia> what's up kanz
03:32 < kanzure> oh, you know... being nefarious... stuff...
03:32 < eudoxia> i unknowingly replied to an eleitl post on reddit cause the world is small http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/2te1jo/emacs_is_my_new_window_manager_ropensource/
03:33 < kanzure> yes he is a known redditor. it is his one mistake.
03:33 < ebowden> Who's eleitl?
03:33 < kanzure> this is the official eugen leitl fan club so i highly recommend learning about him
03:34 < eudoxia> http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2008-August/044716.html
03:34 < eudoxia> hah that's actually from kanzure
03:34 < eudoxia> damn this ##hplusroadmap google timeloop
03:39 < kanzure> that is a good link
03:40 < kanzure> i think i am the only person who has ever bought him lab equipment
03:42 < eudoxia> well there was that investor who was going to fund the cryonics lab but he pulled out
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04:02 < kanzure> eudoxia: someone recently recommended a strategy to me that i have been contemplating,
04:02 < kanzure> although i don't have any particularly novel thoughts on the strategy
04:03 < eudoxia> kanzure: i'm listening
04:03 < kanzure> in particular, he suggested i should hire a bunch of cheap labor from india and china to do basic open source hardware design
04:03 < kanzure> for basic lab equipment things
04:03 < kanzure> e.g. a bunch of 500 dollar design projects, one per each piece of equipment or something
04:03 < kanzure> or 10x 500 dollar projects, from 10 different people, and then see who makes the better designs, rinse repeat, etc
04:04 < kanzure> by designs what i really mean is designs and bills of material and parts
04:04 < kanzure> gah why don't my shift number keys work when i am mobile?
04:04 < kanzure> how am i expected to type like this? such madness
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04:04 < kanzure> hello xrr
04:05 < JayDugger> All wrapped in skdb, right?
04:05 < kanzure> are you asking if i expect to be able to pay 500 bucks for someone to make skdb work?
04:07 < eudoxia> it might work, then anyone who wants to make their open source lab needs to at least install skdb, thus sort of creating incentives to use it when people modify the designs etc.
04:07 < JayDugger> Not really, no.
04:07 < JayDugger> $500 for projects eventually in a library of skdb, I suppose.
04:07 < kanzure> eudoxia: that's like saying people must use debian because debian packages. but this isn't true.
04:08 < kanzure> i am not interested in promising a monetary incentive for people to use something that doesn't work at the moment. i'd rather pay them for word files or some shit.
04:08 < kanzure> i'm not really sure what file formats are popular in india, for some reason i expect word, but whatever
04:08 < JayDugger> Fair enough. Your money after all.
04:08 < kanzure> it would be more helpful if you would submit to be a working design for skdb
04:09 < kanzure> "to be" -> "to me"
04:09 < JayDugger> Yes, yes...beyond my skill. Duly noted.
04:09 < eudoxia> kanzure: well, there is a difference. if debian was the only distro that provided debian packages people would use it for that reason
04:09 < eudoxia> then again it might be a little early to start thinking about skdb packages, just regular designs would be good enough, as you say
04:10 < kanzure> JayDugger: you wont know if its beyond your skill if you never try etc etc
04:10 < kanzure> eudoxia: yeah that still doesn't make sense to me. why would anyone maintain packages? nd why haven't any of you maintained any skdb packages? something doesn't add up.
04:11 < eudoxia> well i complained when i couldn't git clone the skdb package, that's maintenance in an abstract kind of way
04:11 < eudoxia> s/skdb/screw
04:13 < narwh4l> lul
04:14 < kanzure> not laughing over here
04:14 < kanzure> i'm so fucked
04:16 < xrr> hello kanzure
04:19 < kanzure> maybe i'll look into cubespawn again. i don't remember my objections.
04:19 < kanzure> .g site:gnusha.org/logs cubespawn
04:19 < yoleaux> http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-12-21.log
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04:39 < kanzure> 18:28 < CubeSpawn> well the goal is to fit a whole spectrum of small CNC stuff into standard cubes, get a system architecture thats community acceptable, then absorb improved designs into the distributed database
04:44 < kanzure> 23:52 < fenn> anyway i dont really "get it"
04:44 < kanzure> 23:53 < fenn> who cares if it fits into a cube
04:44 < kanzure> 23:53 < fenn> that's the least of our problems
04:44 < kanzure> hmm.
04:44 < kanzure> 23:57 < fenn> it just seems to me that we could do it all in one cell, in which case the whole system is superfluous
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05:04 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2th2sj/copy_of_ross_ulbricht_silk_road_personal_journal/
05:05 < narwh4l> :D
05:05 < narwh4l> hahaha
05:06 < kanzure> "Specifically, the seizure lists the IP 207.106.6.32. In other words, the SR1 backend server appears to have been connecting over the clearnet to Mtgox for its regular hedging transactions."
05:06 < kanzure> classic
05:07 < kanzure> "It's like Hannah Montana with drugs and murder!"
05:07 < narwh4l> "paid $100k to attacker"
05:07 < narwh4l> oof
05:08 < kanzure> right?
05:08 < kanzure> once you pay them anything, you've lost
05:08 < narwh4l> yep...
05:09 < narwh4l> "r&w flaked out and disappeared with my 1/2 mil"
05:09 < narwh4l> god damnit dude
05:09 < narwh4l> you lose so much money
05:12 < narwh4l> 'red got in a jam and needed $500k to get out. ultimately he convinced me to give it to him"
05:12 < narwh4l> probably wasn't even in trouble you gullible child
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05:20 < JayDugger> Geez...
05:21 < JayDugger> overconfidence to folly in one easy step
05:23 < eudoxia> people claim silk road gets worse, security-wise, with each version
05:23 < eudoxia> but does it *really* get worse than this?
05:24 < JayDugger> Yes. If Ross Ulbricht admits to drug use in that journal, then that counts as worse.
05:24 < kanzure> journal http://www.scribd.com/doc/253456456/Silk-Road-exhibits-GX-241#fullscreen
05:25 < JayDugger> All that folly and intoxication, too?
05:26 < JayDugger> And directly talking to distributors?
05:26 < JayDugger> Yeah, that's worse.
05:28 < JayDugger> It's as if he didn't take the time to assume basic legal precautions. How hard could it be to find a savvy young criminal lawyer and ask about hypothetical defenses against arrest and conviction?
05:28 < JayDugger> Oh yeah--overconfidence. I am too clever to need to do that. I won't get caught. Moron.
05:30 < eudoxia> or you know just not keeping a journal of his SR activities
05:30 < eudoxia> removing that thing from his linkedin about 'engaging in a distributed market experiment'
05:30 < eudoxia> not being open about reading mr. rothbard
05:30 < narwh4l> I understand keeping a journal. It would have been smart if he did it the right way. SR is a complex operation, you need to keep track of things
05:31 < eudoxia> just retweeting krugman here and there would have helped his case :p
05:31 < narwh4l> however he did NOT do it the right way
05:35 < kanzure> well there's always hope for dread pirate metalbeard
05:35 < kanzure> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81AL1rZstLL._SL1500_.jpg
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07:23 < kanzure> "To explain why von Neumann probes did not settle the universe you have to come up with something more fundamental, applicable to quadrillions of planets and over billions of years, something much stricter than legalities and proclivities - unless you posit the existence of ETs that are invisible and yet powerful enough to consistently police the whole universe. Do you find it plausible?"
07:23 < kanzure> "Legal strictures or aesthetic considerations may lessen the likelihood of some events but they can't stop them from happening from time to time, especially on a quadrillion planets and over 5 billion years."
07:26 < eudoxia> you know how shannon said the most efficiently encoded signal is indistinguishable from noise?
07:26 < kanzure> right... so 200 billion observable galaxies * 100 billion stars per galaxy * maybe 10 planets per galaxy * some modest absurdly low probability of life * historical seconds =~ 10^10 to 10^20 civilization-seconds per second, an error/event rate of 1 in a billion a seconds for each civilization wouldn't be enough..er.. using our own as an example.
07:26 < eudoxia> maybe the most efficient civilizations are indistinguishable from nature
07:26 < eudoxia> which is a pointless hypothesis as it explains nothing
07:26 < kanzure> yeah there seems to be resistance to that on extropy-chat for some reason
07:27 < eudoxia> well, rather, predicts nothing
07:27 < kanzure> it predicts that astronomers and physicsts would incorporate wrong information into their theories
07:28 < kanzure> what would be needed is some speculation about a system of physics where certain things are extremely unlikely to occur naturally, that could be visually identified and plausibly constructed by a civilization (or whatever), such that an astronomer thinks it is a natural phenomena
07:28 < kanzure> and then see whether or not an astronomer would attempt to explain it with a simple theory not involving civilizations
07:31 < eudoxia> i'm not sure what you mean. test which varieties of megascale engineering could be easily misidentified as natural objects?
07:31 < kanzure> yeah
07:31 < kanzure> not just objects though, things like astrophysics
07:31 < kanzure> i mean it's all natural
07:32 < eudoxia> the first thing that comes to mind are relativistic jets, but those are far too old to be the product of a civilization
07:33 < eudoxia> i suppose if we observed small gamma ray bursts from brown dwarf stars (which don't emit that sort of photons) we could take it as evidence of relativistic nuclear rockets flying around
07:34 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar
07:34 < kanzure> dunno
07:37 < eudoxia> "The furthest pulsar from our Earth is J1848+0051, which is 4.1 Kpc away and closer to the galactic south pole than us..."
07:38 < eudoxia> .wa J1848+0051
07:38 < yoleaux> J×1848+51: 1848 J+51; Geometric figure: line; Alternate form: 3 (616 J+17); Root: J = -17/616; Derivative: d/dJ(J 1848+51) = 1848; Indefinite integral: integral (51+1848 J) dJ = 924 J²+51 J+constant; Differential equation solution curve families: (requires interactivity)
07:38 < eudoxia> .wa J1848+0051 pulsar
07:38 < yoleaux> eudoxia: Sorry, no result!
07:38 < eudoxia> .wa 4.1 kiloparsecs in lightyears
07:38 < yoleaux> convert 4.1 kpc (kiloparsecs) to light years: 13400 ly (light years); Additional conversions: 4100 pc (parsecs); 1.27×10¹⁷ km (kilometers); 1.27×10²⁰ meters; 78.6 quadrillion miles; Comparisons as radius: ~0.26 × galactic radius (~4.8×10¹⁷ km); ~0.49 × galactic unit (~2.6×10²⁰ m); Comparisons as distance: ~0.49 × distance from the Sun to the Milky Way galaxy's geometric center (~2.59×10²⁰ m)
07:38 < eudoxia> huh, i would have expected something extragalactic
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07:54 < eudoxia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J0437-4715 nearest pulsar
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09:09 < kanzure> andytoshi: plzreview and fix my mistakes http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2015-January/083724.html
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09:46 < kanzure> "Inspired by this potential, “probably 10,000 of the best developers in the world are working on bitcoin,” estimates Chris Dixon, a partner at the venture-capital firm Andreessen Horowitz."
09:46 < kanzure> that sounds like a high estimate to me
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09:51 < streety> depends on how broadly you define 'best developers' and 'working on'
09:52 < kanzure> oh my concern was just "10,000 developers" at all
09:53 < kanzure> oh right, working on can be changed to include many things
09:53 < kanzure> such as writing angry tweets :)
09:54 < streety> I was thinking more of 'installed the client at some point'
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09:58 < eudoxia> 'people who can program and have installed the client' probably exceeds 10k
09:58 < eudoxia> but active developers? probably not
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10:12 < kanzure> bloooop
10:15 < archels> Keats copyrighted his mind in 2003, claiming that it was a sculpture that he'd created, neural network by neural network, through the act of thinking. The reason, he told the BBC World Service when interviewed about the project, was to attain temporary immortality, on the grounds that the Copyright Act would give him intellectual property rights on his mind for a period of seventy years after his death.[12]
10:15 < archels> this is genius
10:16 < kanzure> unfortunately his work is highly derivative
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11:22 < kanzure> "“Shoulda thought more about dropping 4k on an addict,” Roberts wrote. “Maybe next prize will be three months in rehab.”"
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11:32 < kanzure> "As a completely inconsequential side note, I’m almost sure the “Email” icon on the F8 key is upside down"
11:34 < kanzure> http://allthingsergo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/email-icon-comparison.jpg
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12:03 < heath> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2669690/why-does-google-prepend-while1-to-their-json-responses
12:03 < heath> http://haacked.com/archive/2009/06/25/json-hijacking.aspx/
12:06 < kanzure> yep
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12:29 < kanzure> what is 3d about the 3d projectors?
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13:07 < nmz787> they can do  more FPS just like 3D monitors, and shift the image left or right depending on frameNum%2
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14:12 < kanzure> "An interesting feature of optical fibre is as follow: Take an extensionless optical fiber. Put it in a volume element in such a way that it passes through all points of the volume element. Send a light signal from one end which will shine all points within the tube. The observer at the other end sees an array of points along the tube. But since the points belong to the volume element, thus the observer sees the whole three dimensional ...
14:12 < kanzure> ... space in his one dimensional tube. In other words the observer can not distinguish between one dimension or any higher dimensions."
14:12 < kanzure> what?
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15:47 < andytoshi> hi kanzure, just read your message on the list ... was not looking for mistakes, but didn't see any
15:47 < andytoshi> one sec, i'll scan it critically
15:47 < andytoshi> i thought it was well-written
15:47 < kanzure> cool
15:47 < andytoshi> ah, only think was that i think the consensus is actually the -only- novel part of bitcoin, you suggest that there are more. (but that's just my opinion)
15:48 < kanzure> that's fair
15:48 < andytoshi> also thx for correcting that "bitcoin started with prime95" comment, i think that was totally off-base, it's not clear at all to me that you can use rare primes as currency and that guy's message didn't hint at how
15:48 < andytoshi> you can "sell them to math geeks" but said geeks can't verify you haven't double-spent them, nor can you prove possession without revealing them
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17:07 < delinquentme> linux backup storage?
17:07 < yoleaux> 23 Jan 2015 07:27Z <nmz787> delinquentme: http://www.scientificamerican.com/slideshow/diy-graphene-how-to-make-carbon-layers-with-sticky-tape/
17:07 < yoleaux> 23 Jan 2015 07:29Z <nmz787> delinquentme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene#Adhesive_tape
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19:11 < kanzure> bloop
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19:28 < kanzure> gene_hacker: hi
19:28 < gene_hacker> hi
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20:11 < nmz787> kanzure: so should I just buy a student (commercial projects OK) copy of rhino for $138?
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20:12 < nmz787> if I do that, what format would be best to interconvert to something like BRL with?
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20:12 < kanzure> uh, i have no idea
20:12 < kanzure> why not just torrent solidworks?
20:12 < nmz787> nah
20:13 < nmz787> rhino has python bindings
20:13 < nmz787> at least rhino released opennurbs
20:13 < kanzure> on windows, most things do. just use comtypes, problem solved.
20:13 < kanzure> they released opennurbs but without tests, so making contributions or maintaining it is nearly impossible
20:14 < nmz787> oh, yeah, that is a downside, that it's windows. apparently it runs in WINE
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21:52 < delinquentme> kanzure: solidworks to gcode? how do ?
22:11 < gene_hacker> you need a CAM program
22:11 < gene_hacker> what sort of machine
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