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06:00 < archels_> nmz787: welllll all that I really need is a way to typeset two or three very simple circuits for a paper
06:00 < archels_> at this point it would probably wise to contain myself and not take on another project =)
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06:09 < maaku> archels_: surely there is a latex tool for that?
06:11 < archels_> yeah, CircuiTikz
06:11 < archels_> which I've opted for in the end--initially was a bit weary in case it needed modifications/extensions
06:11 < archels_> (as I'm not that adept at LaTeX)
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06:31 < archels_> "Overall, wireheading has many positive effects and few negative ones."
06:31 < archels_> http://www.turingbirds.com/temp/wireheading.pdf
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06:44 < maaku> is Jessica Taylor on here?
06:45 < kanzure> i don't think so
06:45 < maaku> i think the Dalai Lama would find that one cannot free oneself from negative emotions without affecting the rest of their thinking
06:46 < kanzure> uhrm.. go on?
06:46 < kanzure> what brought this up
06:47 < maaku> the quote at the beginning of the wireheading class paper archels_ posted
06:47 < maaku> "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode -
06:47 < maaku> without impairing intelligence and
06:47 < maaku> the critical mind - I would be the first patient."
06:47 < maaku> -The Dalai Lama
06:47 < maaku> (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005)
06:48 < kanzure> huh, the dalai lama said that? bizarre
06:50 < kanzure> i disagree with the positive/negative emotion thing, that sounds like pop/folk psychology
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06:53 < maaku> right
06:53 < maaku> unfortunately buddhism is like the religion of pop psychology
06:54 < kanzure> "what about all that motorcycle maintenance stuff? that's totally legit, right?"
06:56 < kanzure> (actually i've never read that book, so maybe i shouldn't take such a cheap shot at it)
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08:00 < kanzure> found in the "Ask HN: who's hiring?" thread: "ARE YOU A COWARD? This is not for you. We badly need a brave person. He must be 20 to 28 years old, in perfect health, at least six feet tall, weigh exactly 190 pounds, fluent English with some French, proficient with all weapons, deep knowledge of engineering and mathematics essential, willing to travel, no family or emotional ties, indomitably courageous and handsome of face and figure. ...
08:00 < kanzure> ... Permanent employment, very high pay, glorious adventure, great danger. You must not apply in person."
08:05 < kanzure> .title http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.161/full
08:05 < yoleaux> Variation in longevity gene KLOTHO is associated with greater cortical volumes - Yokoyama - 2015 - Annals of Clinical and Translational Neurology - Wiley Online Library
08:12 < kanzure> "A man who always obeys the law is even stupider than one who breaks it every chance."
08:12 < kanzure> hrm
08:44 < archels> "when the network ignites"
08:44 < archels> (re cortical networks)
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09:37 < heath> music http://media.blizzard.com/hearthstone/audio/hearthstone-soundtrack.zip
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10:16 < kanzure> that's not right http://lookbook.jupiterascending.com/images/assets/Orus-04-med.jpg
10:16 < kanzure> ah i mean this one:
10:16 < kanzure> http://lookbook.jupiterascending.com/images/assets/Orus-06.jpg
11:02 < kanzure> "Intuitively the critical path is a sequence of tasks such that, if any task in that sequence takes one minute longer, then the whole project will take one minute longer. So, the tasks on the critical path have no slack."
11:13 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a24ff755 Bryan Bishop: a definition of critical path >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/projects/heuristics/
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11:31 < maaku> kanzure: i think you found the perfect job!
11:32 < kanzure> "$50k couldn't even open a Subway franchise in a really cheap location. And Subway has really cheap franchises. Most fast food restaurant franchises will have startup costs in the $250,000 to $3m range. (I use franchises because the numbers are easily available. Independent restaurants vary, and if you're doing an indie-feel coffee shop or hole-in-the-wall you might be able to swing $10k, but $100-200k is what you'll start at for the ...
11:32 < kanzure> ... type of restaurant that might actually make money. Heck, your signage might cost $5k.) The sort of capital needed for most businesses is beyond the ability of most people to save. For some businesses (like software or various types of personal services) you can pay a lot of sweat equity, but there's lots of other types that just plain need money capital. If you're just saving, most of these would be out of range for even the upper ...
11:32 < kanzure> ... middle class."
11:32 < maaku> i have a martial arts instructor who made a killing in a private army during the first years of the ocupation (>$300k per year, no living expenses)
11:33 < maaku> kanzure: that's why we desperately need cheap, zero inerest loans
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11:34 < kanzure> if it is zero interest, then isn't it free and not just cheap?
11:34 < maaku> kanzure: zero basic interest, e.g. if the loan were really no-risk it would be 0%
11:35 < maaku> restaurants are not low-risk though. but the owner should be paying risk premium, not risk premium + 8%
11:35  * bbrittain is confused about why anyone would want to open anything other than a indie-feel coffee shop
11:36 < maaku> a subway franchise can be pretty good money
11:36 < bbrittain> I considered opening a indi-feel coffee shop that just laughed at customers when they asked about sugar/cream. Then I realized I would make no money & could be prentious in my own house
11:37 < kanzure> this is a pretty good story, but needs more antics like "but i had already ordered 10,000 pounds of coffee beans"
11:39 < bbrittain> I wish. I'm currently advocating for ginkgo to buy me as espresso machine. I think they'll give in soon.
11:39 < bbrittain> s/as/an/
11:41 < kanzure> maaku: i suspect the reason why more transhumanists don't do things is because they on average don't have the money to buy any of the cool shit they need, or the cool shit is out of the range of their budgets
11:41 < kanzure> of course, most of these things don't really need to be that expensive anyway
11:42 < maaku> kanzure: eh, there's a lot cheap stuff that could be donee
11:42 < maaku> just focusing on nanotech since that's my area, molecular dynamics simulators a absolute shit
11:42 < kanzure> certainly... but a lot of the cheap stuff is "garbage diving and hoping that you get something good", whereas more progress could be made if there was a consistently cheap and consistently working product
11:42 < maaku> writing code is cheap
11:42 < kanzure> ah i am not referring to nanotechnology, i mean even fablab equipment
11:43 < maaku> why aren't people out there improving nanorex?
11:43 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/comparison/fablab.yaml
11:43 < kanzure> nanorex went under
11:43 < maaku> the source code is out there, no?
11:43 < kanzure> well, i mean, the guy funding nanorex decided to stop spending $1M/year funding its development
11:44 < kanzure> yes there is source code available for nanoengineer https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer
11:44 < maaku> there are some people in the 3d printing space who are interested in building self-replicating 3d printers
11:44 < maaku> ah sorry conflated the two nanorex/nanoengineer
11:45 < kanzure> unfortunately the 3d printing people are almost universally all lying about their interest in self-replication, and often think that everything not plastic as a vitamin part counts as self-replication
11:45 < maaku> but yeah, i don't know why people actually doing this work and transhumanists are disjoint sets
11:45 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/comparison/techshop.yaml
11:45 < kanzure> i think it's just because stuff's not cheap, hehe
11:45 < kanzure> like even lab equipment in biology is expensive- there are thermocyclers that cost $20k for no good reason
11:45 < kanzure> even though anyone and their dog can make a thermocycler for <$50 in parts
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11:46 < kanzure> well anyway, that sort of pattern repeats across *every* industry
11:47 < kanzure> *everywhere*
11:48 < kanzure> $500k cnc machines, $40k spectrophotography machines, $10k laser cutters, etc. etc.
11:49 < kanzure> and AFM prices.. don't get me started on that. bleh.
11:49 < kanzure> "well it's extremely advanced technology involving glitter and light, so let's say um... $2M each?"
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11:53 < kanzure> maaku: also, yes, writing code yourself is pretty cheap (althugh perhaps not when you examine opportunity costs for capital accumulation elsewhere writing code)...
11:53 < kanzure> in general lots of machinists are the type that would scoff at people who say "well you should write more code" because it bares a striking resemblence to doing nothing
11:53 < kanzure> but in the case of other transhumanists, writing code is better than nothing hehe
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12:07 < maaku> bah, automation is the only real leverage we have
12:07 < maaku> how does SpaceX beat the pants of Boeing? by writing code -- automated manufacturing and tests, where boeing is paying top engineering dollar to build rockets manually
12:08 < kanzure> i would be very surprised if software is the only reason that spacex has wrking equipment
12:08 < kanzure> what's the claim you're making?
12:08 < kanzure> *working
12:09 < kanzure> i think vlsi is another cheapo available leverage (microelectronics vlsi and microfluidic vlsi)
12:09 < maaku> build a $5k cnc machine .. and kudo to you. design a framework for interface and controlling cheaply assembled cnc machines and your impact is much bigger
12:09 < kanzure> er... but nobody is needing that? linucnc works just fine.
12:10 < kanzure> *linuxcnc
12:11 < kanzure> another plausible solution (that i have not put enough thought into) is something like transcriptic but for flexible manufacturing cells
12:11 < kanzure> these are cells that usually include a robotic arm and some other specialized equipment that you would rent out remotely by the minute or hour or whatever
12:11 < kanzure> i strongly prefer local equipment but reality has no reason to conform to my demands :)
12:12 < kanzure> anyway in such a system you would not have to buy expensive equipment all the time, but would still have "direct access" (er.. remotely.. so not really direct.)
12:15 < maaku> i think what you're describing now is more what I meant
12:15 < kanzure> hm?
12:15 < maaku> transcriptic-like automation for manufacturing
12:15 < maaku> manufacturing is not really my area though, i'm pretty much pulling on machine shop classes in college
12:16 < kanzure> ooh what a surprise the token agi person has no regular exposure to machinery :P
12:16 < kanzure> </racism>
12:17 < maaku> well machine shop plus reading KSRM
12:17 < maaku> yeah well I see the value though
12:17 < kanzure> i am just teasing
12:17 < maaku> i just feel I can better contribute through code
12:17 < maaku> i know
12:19 < kanzure> actually, why doesn't transcriptic count here? surely you were exposed to a bunch of equipment there, even in the admittedly short term of your stay there?
12:23 < maaku> hah i guess it does. i did spend most my time upstairs writing code, however (working on the scheduler)
12:25 < kanzure> ah
12:25 < kanzure> single giant scheduler for everything?
12:25 < kanzure> eh nevermind, i guess that makes sense
12:26 < kanzure> don't want stuff waiting for freezer access
12:26 < maaku> yeah it's a giant constraint solver
12:26 < maaku> transcriptic batches and overlays different experiments, or different runs of the same experiment
12:27 < maaku> in order to try to use the equipment as efficiently as possible
12:27 < kanzure> also don't want empty capacity.. etc..
12:27 < maaku> that's what I was working on
12:29 < maaku> so even there i was the token software guy in a bio/machine shop
12:29 < kanzure> haha
12:31 < maaku> although my main contribution was saying "uh, nasa already solved this. you want the software they use for scheduling commands to rovers on Mars and missions to Saturn & Pluto"
12:31 < maaku> which i think is what they're using today
12:33 < kanzure> i thin that most of the transcriptic hardware can be done at home using vlsi: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5220c659e4b06e78a7d06db5/t/522616fce4b0c7ba8d17c3fa/1378227966296/
12:34 < kanzure> *think
12:35 < maaku> probably
12:35 < maaku> probably
12:35 < jrayhawk> .title http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(14)01737-0/abstract holy shit
12:35 < yoleaux> jrayhawk: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed.
12:35 < jrayhawk> .title http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(14)01737-0/abstract
12:35 < maaku> i mean at the time i was there it's not like a huge amount of thought went into the compents they had, just the way they were setup
12:35 < yoleaux> jrayhawk: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
12:35 < kanzure> "Administration of a probiotic with peanut oral immunotherapy: A randomized trial"
12:36 < kanzure> "Coadministration of a bacterial adjuvant with oral immunotherapy (OIT) has been suggested as a potential treatment for food allergy."
12:36 < jrayhawk> "Possible sustained unresponsiveness was achieved in 82.1% receiving PPOIT and 3.6% receiving placebo (P < .001)."
12:36 < maaku> i think max took around $50k from the seed money and bought warehouse full of used components from a biolab that was shut down, and that's what the first stuff was built from
12:36 < kanzure> "PPOIT was effective in inducing possible sustained unresponsiveness and immune changes that suggest modulation of the peanut-specific immune response. Further work is required to confirm sustained unresponsiveness after a longer period of secondary peanut elimination and to clarify the relative contributions of probiotics versus OIT."
12:37 < maaku> so it was more like "what can we build with what we got by random chance?"
12:37 < kanzure> ah i ee
12:37 < kanzure> *see
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12:38 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i wonder why that particular bacteria was chosen
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12:38 < kanzure> "PPOIT was associated with reduced peanut skin prick test responses"
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12:40 < kanzure> welp let's get that into the gut biome
12:41 < jrayhawk> immune suppression isn't inherently beneficial, and PNA is almost certainly inherently pretty awful, so some caution is advised
12:42 < maaku> well in the case where they have severe allegies like penuts, it beats constant risk of dying
12:42 < kanzure> ah if this is generic immune system suppression, hrm
12:44 < jrayhawk> it'd be cool if they could measure unsuccessful colonization to see if that already ridiculous 82.1% number could be made even higher
13:01 < FourFire> maaku, would actually be useful for molecular simulations ?
13:01 < yoleaux> 01:10Z <maaku> FourFire: fuck utility; take what you're interested in college. art history? philosophy? whatever. drop your job as the opportunity cost is too high and self-learn bio-engineering, comp sci, or whatever transhumanist contribution you want to make. establish a reputation by coding.
13:01 < FourFire> http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/micron-automata-chips-to-be-used-for-virus-detection-medical-apps-dna-sequencing/
13:02 < FourFire> "<kanzure> maaku: i suspect the reason why more transhumanists don't do things is because they on average don't have the money to buy any of the cool shit they need, or the cool shit is out of the range of their budgets
13:02 < FourFire> <kanzure> of course, most of these things don't really need to be that expensive anyway" this is why I favour collaboration over hostility and "fuck off"
13:03 < FourFire> Hackerspaces provide better than average opportunity for transhumanists with little to no capital
13:05 < kanzure> that's bullshit, hackerspaces are extremely ineffective and the money doesn't fall out of the sky
13:05 < maaku> FourFire: i'll be back to discuss your question in ~5min
13:05 < FourFire> speaking of biology lab equipment: this guy who works down the hall from my office builds custom lab equipment
13:06 < kanzure> your notion of collaboration suck
13:06 < FourFire> he's also a member of my hackerspace
13:06 < kanzure> *sucks
13:06 < kanzure> collaboration is not "make someone else do my work for me"
13:06 < kanzure> and i reserve the right to be a hostile towards you (or anyone else) as i want
13:11 < FourFire> maaku, I am (fortunately?) directly interested in cellular biology and genetics
13:11 < FourFire> kanzure, I might have implied that, but never stated that as my definition of collaboration
13:12 < FourFire> I will be back in half an hour or so
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13:23 < maaku> .tell FourFire What would actually be useful for molecular simulations is a molecular dynamics code that actually works for drexlarian nanotech.
13:23 < yoleaux> maaku: I'll pass your message to FourFire.
13:23 < maaku> .tell FourFire the stuff we have right now is either focused on biology (protien folding), or the universal stuff which nanoengineer uses is simply so bad as to be non-physical.
13:23 < yoleaux> maaku: I'll pass your message to FourFire.
13:24 < kanzure> it's a shame that people were going to essentially throw away nanoengineer
13:24 < kanzure> i had to rescue it :/
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13:28 < maaku> kanzure: thanks for that btw
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13:29 < maaku> nanoengineer is a good starting point
13:29 < maaku> it's just using the same shitty molecular dynamics simulator (mm2?) as everyone else
13:29 < maaku> but fix that and it could be useful
13:29 < eudoxia> it's funny because in an interview freitas said he expected it to have thousands of molecular machine parts within a few years ;/
13:30 < maaku> "it" == nanoengineer?
13:30 < eudoxia> i never could tell any difference between nano-dynamics and the other molecular simulator that it used, so i don't know if that means (1) nanodynamics is actually accurate, to the extent that classical molecular dynamics is accurate, or (2) it didn't actually switch simulation engines
13:30 < eudoxia> maaku: yes
13:30 < maaku> eudoxia: i highly doubt nanodynamics is accurate
13:31 < maaku> they didn't have anyone on their staff that understood the issues
13:31 < eudoxia> maaku: well, "unmaintained molecular dynamics engine written from scratch" doesn't inspire confidence
13:31 < maaku> certainly if it was accurate, that would have been a very  publishable accomplishment given its performance
13:32 < maaku> which more likely means it was cutting corners left and right
13:32 < eudoxia> yes
13:33 < eudoxia> occasionally the atoms would shoot off diamond structures with certain surface geometries
13:33 < eudoxia> the hydrogen surface atoms that is
13:34 < eudoxia> never could tell whether that was supposed to happen
13:34 < maaku> lol wat
13:35 < eudoxia> they just flew away and the bonds never snapped
13:36 < maaku> yeah so one giant outstanding problem is to create a performant molecular dynamics simulator that actually works for these sorts of configurations
13:37 < maaku> or, as i am doing, teach a machine to do that
13:39 < kanzure> there are many different molecular dynamics things used by nanoengineer
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13:39 < eudoxia> well, GROMACS sort of works for that kind of stuff
13:40 < eudoxia> and it probably has ok performance since plenty of people use it
13:40 < eudoxia> maaku: i have to say i have mostly dismissed AGI all these years. do you have a reading list of papers/textbooks for building my own personal godlet UFAI?
13:40 < maaku> GROMACS is okay but doesn't scale
13:41 < maaku> eudoxia: I'm about to walk out the door, but i'll put something together
13:41 < maaku> do you have an AI background at all?
13:41 < kanzure> well he has a lisp background, so yes
13:41 < eudoxia> maaku: i've read the PAIP, but mostly for the compiler/pattern matching stuff
13:42 < maaku> hrm. that's an older book
13:42 < maaku> i would start with AIMA: http://aima.cs.berkeley.edu/
13:42 < eudoxia> definitely. it doesn't even cover graph search etc, mostly symbolic stuff like GPS, eliza and a symbolic integrator.
13:42 < maaku> doesn't cover any AGI, but current AI is a strict pre-req
13:43 < maaku> yea that stuff is super old-hat
13:43 < eudoxia> i've had the AIMA in my reading list for a while and it definitely deserves to be higher up there
13:43 < maaku> i'll put some other resources together, but that's a definate starting point
13:44 < maaku> (at least skim the chapters and read the summaries at the end of each)
13:44 < maaku> for AGI, there's the AGI conference proceedings
13:44 < eudoxia> thanks. also, i know goertzel has an AGI textbook, would you recommend that?
13:45 < maaku> i was just about to mention that
13:45 < maaku> http://lesswrong.com/lw/kq4/link_engineering_general_intelligence_the/
13:46 < maaku> it covers CogPrime which is an approach i'm partial to
13:46 < maaku> i think you'd get more out of it after you've skimmed AIMA though
13:46 < maaku> you can find PDF copies of AIMA online in various places
13:47 < eudoxia> oh, certainly. i should read the AIMA, probably along with a probability textbook, then move on to papers and other books
13:48 < maaku> reading AIMA, a probability text (good idea), and then the AGI conf procedings and Goertzel's latest book would get you an OpenCog-biased but general overview to the field
13:49 < maaku> also you might search youtube for agi conference tutorials -- there were 3-day sessions before the last two conferences where the major AGI architectures were explained
13:49 < maaku> for machine learning, the Ng coarsera course is actually pretty good
13:50 < maaku> ok really got to go, but remind me to turn that into a less haphazard recommendation
13:50 < eudoxia> i did actually take the ML class in 2012, but never really used it (even though at work we do some machine learning stuff)
13:50 < eudoxia> maaku: thanks!
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13:55 < FourFire> I am back
13:55 < yoleaux> 21:23Z <maaku> FourFire: What would actually be useful for molecular simulations is a molecular dynamics code that actually works for drexlarian nanotech.
13:55 < yoleaux> 21:23Z <maaku> FourFire: the stuff we have right now is either focused on biology (protien folding), or the universal stuff which nanoengineer uses is simply so bad as to be non-physical.
13:56 < FourFire> maaku, You seem to be overly focused on my main utility being a brain that could produce code, why is that?
13:57 < maaku> i may be biased because i code. but i didn't get into coding for the computer science.
13:57 < AmbulatoryCortex> do you have other skills?
13:57 < FourFire> why/how would I "establish a reputation by coding" ?
13:57 < AmbulatoryCortex> code is the resource that doesn't require resources other than time
13:57 < AmbulatoryCortex> since you obviously have a computer already
13:58 < maaku> writing code is a way you can leverage your capabilities
13:58 < maaku> but more importantly the results are transmitable
13:58 < FourFire> AmbulatoryCortex, not that I'm aware of, apparently I "speak in a diplomatic way" and have an not so average way of attempting to solve problems, but otherwise my skills are uncharted
13:58 < maaku> you can write code in your dorm room and have some biolab use it, which you can take credit for
13:59 < maaku> but anyway, running out the door. i'll give you a longer explanation later
13:59 < FourFire> yeah I suppose time is the resource I have most of, though I don't want to "drop my job" because I just spent the past year in order to get it
14:01 < FourFire> My job is interesting, causes me to use and develop my skills, and will involve coding at some point, and I will successfully negotiate a significant pay raise in the near future
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16:05 < nmz787> did I post this already?
16:05 < nmz787> .title http://www.korg.com/us/news/2015/012212/
16:05 < yoleaux> KORG INC and Noritake Co., Limited Release Innovative Vacuum Tube: the Nutube | News | KORG
16:06 < chris_99> intriguing
16:06 < chris_99> does that mean you can't see it glow though
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16:39 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgH6X_9N7D4
16:39 < yoleaux> Teste de controle da pipetadora - YouTube
16:40 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6CyS06c8tI
16:40 < yoleaux> AlvaBio - Liquid Handler Prototype - YouTube
16:40 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICd0xJmoino
16:40 < yoleaux> AlvaBio - Liquid Handler - Z axis demo - Nov 2014 - YouTube
16:42 < kanzure> hrm
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18:08 < maaku> critical path
18:08 < yoleaux> 1 Feb 2015 22:05Z <FourFire> maaku: I'll be online in 8 to 9 hours from now
18:08 < yoleaux> 1 Feb 2015 22:05Z <FourFire> maaku: "<FourFire> yeah I suppose time is the resource I have most of, though I don't want to "drop my job" because I just spent the past year in order to get it
18:08 < maaku> gah
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18:14 < maaku> too much rum. we'll see if i'm able to functiopn in 8-9 hours
18:14 < kanzure> knapsack is hard
18:15 < kanzure> i didn't realize bitcoind's solution was "try lots of attempts until something works"
18:15 < maaku> ahaha bitcoin's solution is so weaksauce
18:16 < kanzure> all of the edge cases should be hard coded, i think
18:16 < maaku> well bitcoin's is not horribly broken for what it does
18:16 < kanzure> i am writing my own implementation at the moment
18:16 < maaku> but i wouldn't try to learn any generic knapsack solving tricks from the cod
18:16 < maaku> *code
18:17 < maaku> kanzure: ok. just be careful not to leak wallet informtion by being determinstic
18:17 < kanzure> is it really so bad to just generate all possible solutions?
18:17 < maaku> of a NP-hard problem? yea
18:17 < kanzure> how many solutions are there anyway.. it's bounded by the number of outputs.
18:17 < kanzure> the number and size of outputs
18:17 < maaku> well how much doyou want to scale?
18:17 < kanzure> my solution can take multiple hours
18:18 < kanzure> if necessary
18:18 < maaku> well bitcoin's solution is stupid because it has to take multiple seconds, max, even for lots of outputs
18:18 < kanzure> and a realistic amount of memory (say less than 1 petabyte) would be nice
18:20 < maaku> kanzure: dynamic programming?
18:20 < kanzure> you mean it is required to take less than "a lot of seconds"?
18:20 < kanzure> i don't know what you're asking-- so far i haven't picked an implementation :)
18:22 < kanzure> also i'm trying to figure out if i can pick a subset of the problem such that a closed-form solution is possible
18:26 < kanzure> ideally you should minimize the number of inputs, so i think you can start by just checking 1 input, 2 inputs, ... to a max of n inputs, but realistically you should also be able to skip to the right number of inputs based on something.. er..
18:27 < kanzure> if there is no {1, 2 or 3}-set that sums to the desired amount then you shouldn't bother checking any of the 3-set-or-lower solutions
18:27 < kanzure> whoops, i mean that sum to the desired amount or greater
18:32 < maaku> you might want to take this to #bitcoin-dev or #bitcoin-wizards, there's a larger segment of wallet authors there
18:32 < kanzure> i said some things in #bitcoin a few minutes ago
18:34 < maaku> i mean yes, that would work, but i think there are faster algorithms that will give nearly as good results
18:35 < kanzure> i'm not aware of how well-studied (or not) this problem is
18:36 < maaku> well it is of a category of well studied problems
18:37 < maaku> annoyingly it's not actually the knapsack problem
18:37 < maaku> but some sort of variant of it
18:38 < kanzure> known variant?
18:40 < kanzure> oh brother, people publish papers about simple solutions like this? http://cs.brown.edu/people/betsy/HGN_ECAI14.pdf
18:41 < maaku> it's a 0-1 change-making problem
18:41 < maaku> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change-making_problem
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18:43 < kanzure> hmm the convolution method is interesting. you could use an internal intermediate target amount, and then solve the problem from there. but this would leak lots and lots of privacy.
18:44 < kanzure> (you don't have to expose that solution on the blockchain of course, it's just an intermediate record-keeping trick)
18:44 < maaku> also slightly variant of the standard change-making problem because you can overshoot
18:48 < maaku> .title https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~shallit/Papers/change2.pdf
18:48 < yoleaux> maaku: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
18:48 < maaku> oh darn
18:49 < kanzure> andytoshi: isn't this your job. you're the mathematician around here.
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18:51 < maaku> sipa is probably a good person to ask too
18:51 < kanzure> i think it's even a variant of the change-making problem, because you can select the denominations from the set of available denominations
18:55 < maaku> well i was thinking the denominations == what you happen to have in your walle
18:55 < maaku> and 0-1 because you can only use and output once
19:22 < kanzure> merkle-hellman public key cryptography was knapsack? http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.3740.pdf
19:24 < maaku> kanzure: is this a credible critique? http://chronopause.com/chronopause.com/index.php/2011/05/29/a-visit-to-alcor/index.html
19:27 < kanzure> chronopause tends to be extremely reasonable
19:27 < kanzure> max more is awesome, and can be convinced of any good idea
19:27 < kanzure> also: i haven't actually read this page
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19:33 < kanzure> hmm it definitely looks like there's no concept of process improvement at alcor
19:35 < kanzure> that's unfortunate
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19:42 < kanzure> "There was, in fact, a strong aversion to marketing cryonics as an ordinary product, or even as a “regular” medical treatment. A consequence of this attitude was that everyone who interfaced with the public, until shortly before I left, had an almost fanatical attitude about how signing up should be communicated to the member. The interesting, and indeed remarkable thing about this is that I do not ever recall doing any training or ...
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19:42 < kanzure> ... any scripting of how to handle callers who were prospective members, or who were gathering information for same. It was just something that was “organic” and a part of Alcor’s small, but very well defined corporate culture at that time."
19:42 < kanzure> ah that is very interesting. also explains why i do not see evidence of product improvement.
19:47 < kanzure> i wonder if there is a reasonable business to be had in pet cryonics (get them to half-life age and then freeze 'em, resuscitate 20-30 years later)
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19:57 < kanzure> would be a pretty awesome troll parent thing to do ("i lied about fluffy")
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20:27 < gwillen> kanzure: that's an amusing thought but depends on the 'thawing' part of the equation existing
20:27 < gwillen> which it does not, and as far as I know is not even within remote reach at our current level of technology
20:30 < kanzure> we can thaw rabbit brain
20:30 < kanzure> and also, we could do selection experiments on neonates
20:31 < kanzure> to make a population that is cryopreservable
20:31 < gwillen> that seems pretty out there
20:31  * gwillen googles rabbit brain experiements
20:31 < kanzure> well this is the extra-strange part of irc, after all
20:31 < gwillen> oh I don't doubt it
20:32 < gwillen> I'm not seeing any cryopreservation of whole, intact rabbit brains with subsequent reanimation
20:32 < gwillen> can you link me to same if it exists?
20:33 < kanzure> Mundth, E.D; (1965) Cryobiology 2(2):62-7
20:33 < kanzure> hmm there's another one though]
20:34 < kanzure> gwillen: the table on page 3 http://imsear.li.mahidol.ac.th/bitstream/123456789/134785/1/jiafm2007v29i3p10.pdf
20:35 < kanzure> haha holy crap yes "Kidneys perfused and cooled to minus 50 degree centigrade, DMSO used. Out of 37 kidneys treated, four supported life long term in dog after other kidney was removed. (9)"
20:35 < gwillen> huh, neat
20:36 < gwillen> so we don't have any "organ cryopreserved, stored for a long time (i.e. a year or more) and then tested for actual in-vitro function"
20:36 < kanzure> not for human afaik
20:36 < gwillen> and we don't have any "whole brain cryopreserved and then tested for actual in-vitro function"
20:37 < gwillen> well, not for anything
20:37 < gwillen> the kidneys were not stored long-term
20:37 < gwillen> they were just cooled and then thawed IIRC
20:37 < gwillen> I could be wrong about this
20:37 < gwillen> but we have things that suggest we should be starting to try those things, anyway
20:37 < gwillen> and that we might succeed at least occasionally if we did
20:38 < kanzure> indeed, we should be trying those things
20:38 < kanzure> also it would be helpful if selling human organs was doable
20:38 < kanzure> because you could build up a reserve
20:38 < gwillen> (sorry, we have "kidneys stored for a year", but those kidneys were not then used in live animals; and we have "kidneys cooled, then used in live animals", but not after long-term storage)
20:38 < kanzure> ahead of organ demand
20:38  * gwillen nods
20:41 < kanzure> i think that even if modern-day cryonics does not work that we should be working on selecting populations of important organisms (humans, pets, whatever) for those members of the population that are capable of freezing, thawing and surviving
20:41 < nmz787> .title https://cfdandheattransfer.wordpress.com/category/cfd-softwares/
20:41 < yoleaux> CFD Softwares | CFD and Heat Transfer
20:42 < kanzure> so that in a few generations even if we totally fail now, we will have a population that can be freeze stored indefinitely if necessary
20:42 < nmz787> .title http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/CAD_to_FEniCS_example
20:42 < yoleaux> CAD to FEniCS example - Wikiversity
20:42 < nmz787> .title http://fenicsproject.org/documentation/dolfin/1.0.1/python/demo/pde/navier-stokes/python/documentation.html
20:42 < yoleaux> 6. Incompressible Navier-Stokes equations — FEniCS Project
20:43 < kanzure> and also, the genetic differences between pets that are capable of cryopreservation and cryoresuscitation could be analyzed to determine likely gene modifications to enable human cryopreservation
20:43 < gwillen> kanzure: I suspect those sorts of selection programs are thoroughly uninteresting to most people who are interested in cryopreservation
20:43 < gwillen> since most people are probably most interested in preserving themselves
20:43 < gwillen> and thus cannot benefit
20:43 < kanzure> this should be a thing that people are doing, although i don't blame them for seeking shorter-term solutions (it is not fun to think that only 3-4 generations from now will be cryonically storable.... missing the boat and such)
20:44 < kanzure> right... i agree... but here's the thing, in exchange for being basically fucking immortal, you can buy into very wealthy families :P
20:44 < kanzure> s/buy/sell
20:44 < kanzure> like, the compensation for not being immortal is the massive amount of money there
20:44 < kanzure> and possibly using that money to fix things
20:45 < kanzure> (e.g. it is feasible that those human generations can happen within a single human lifetime, enough to fund longevity research for the very old of us that get left over)
20:45 < kanzure> (from before the breeding program)
20:45 < kanzure> have i mentioned that this is the crazy part of irc
20:45 < kanzure> also, hi, how did you get here?
20:46 < nmz787> friggin arduino for $2.88 shipped, yes thx.
20:48  * kanzure registers a trademark for "the indefinite bishop family trust"
20:49 < pasky> nmz787: where from?
20:49 < nmz787> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nano-V3-0-ATmega328P-Improve-Controller-Board-XTWduino-USB-Driver-For-Arduino-/391000702325?
20:49 < nmz787> post FTDI-gate USB-chip cost reduction I guess
20:49 < pasky> nice
20:50 < nmz787> the CH340 chip
20:50 < nmz787> $0.20-0.40 each
20:52 < pasky> they ship worldwide... except EU, Africa, Asia, Japan, Australia...
20:52 < nmz787> lol
20:53 < pasky> so they basically ship to the americas only
20:53 < pasky> weird
20:53 < pasky> and not to some southern american states either, though they do ship to mexico and brazil
20:53 < pasky> weird
20:58 < gwillen> kanzure: I come from the bitcoin lands
20:58 < gwillen> I followed one of them bitcoiners in here
20:58 < kanzure> cool
20:59 < gwillen> I'm pretty sure I've seen you over there in the bitcoin lands
20:59 < kanzure> indeed! see pm
21:03 < kanzure> hm
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22:40 < kanzure> paperbot: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102722
22:40 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/69290bf5bd0795c175a60742ce83bb8e.txt
22:41 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0102722&representation=PDF
22:41 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9c546b1afddfd6ba3cbd025a68b0dff.pdf
22:41 < kanzure> sheena: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9c546b1afddfd6ba3cbd025a68b0dff.pdf
22:42 < sheena> ty
22:44 < kanzure> .to eudoxia paperbot works again thank you
22:44 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to eudoxia.
22:57 < nmz787> is that proxy no longer being used then?
22:57 < nmz787> I've been getting $1 amazon bills from requests to it I think
23:04 < nmz787> "The War Food Administration has announced the adoption of measures to prevent the abuse of certain provisions of War Food Order 13 with regard to the prescription of heavy cream for use in the treatment of the sick. On June 2, an amendment to the Order was issued which requires that prescriptions for heavy cream be approved "by the public health officer, or the secretary of the county medical society, of the municipality or county" where ...
23:04 < nmz787> ... the patient or hospital desiring the cream is situated."
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23:17 < nmz787> .tell delinquentme $1.21 RTC with per-day +- ~0.5second accuracy http://www.ebay.com/itm/IIC-Precision-RTC-Real-Time-Clock-Memory-Module-For-Arduino-DS3231-AT24C32-/251401815796?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a88b746f4
23:17 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to delinquentme.
23:23 < nmz787> .tell delinquentme this might also be interesting, not aware of an good-for-time arduino-receiver yet though (maybe any GPS module?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock
23:23 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to delinquentme.
23:34 < nmz787> huh, plosONE comments http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?root=81795
23:34 < nmz787> .title
23:35 < yoleaux> PLOS ONE : accelerating the publication of peer-reviewed science
23:35 < nmz787> sheena: ^
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23:37 < bellow> Hello
23:37 < bellow> I am trying to reconnect my Magnavox MBP 5120 blu-ray player to my Linksys routers wifi (which I have done before without trouble) and I am getting DHCP cannot be acquired. I have change the IP Address to manual on the blu-ray player without changing the IP address itself and no error. I have checked the routers settings and DHCP is enabled. Is the
23:37 < bellow> re a way to fix this? I had it connected just fine so I added the ip/mac address to the DHCP Reservation think that would help it did not.
23:37 < nmz787> wrong room
23:38 < bellow> there is no right one
23:38 < nmz787> if you are using DHCP, then do not manually set the IP on the player
23:39 < nmz787> bellow: #networking
23:40 < bellow> networking is no help
23:40 < bellow> It ios not set like that
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23:44 < nmz787> http://theinstituteoffluorescence.com/PDF/10%20Chris%20Pub.pdf
23:45 < nmz787> "The past two decades have seen the rapid growth of fluorescence spectroscopy. This has been partly due to the development of new light sources, i.e. the transformation from nanosecond flash lamps to picosecond dye lasers or femtosecond Ti:sapphire lasers, as well as the realization that much more information is contained in and can be extracted from a fluorescence decay. The expansion of fluorescence has also been helped by the race for ...
23:45 < nmz787> ... the humane genome, where prior to 1985, most DNA sequencing was performed using radioactive labels (Lakowicz 1999). Since that time, sequencing has been accomplished almost exclusively using new carefully designed fluorescent probes."
23:51 < bellow> I am trying to reconnect my Magnavox MBP 5120 blu-ray player to my Linksys routers wifi (which I have done before without trouble) and I am getting DHCP cannot be acquired. I have change the IP Address to manual on the blu-ray player without changing the IP address itself and no error. I have checked the routers settings and DHCP is enabled. Is the
23:51 < bellow> re a way to fix this? I had it connected just fine so I added the ip/mac address to the DHCP Reservation think that would help it did not.
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