--- Log opened Fri Feb 27 00:00:06 2015 00:22 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:23 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48 -!- Souljack [souljack@shell.xshellz.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:48 -!- Souljack [souljack@shell.xshellz.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:30 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:17 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:47 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 04:31 -!- _TK_ [~TK@82.131.16.182.cable.starman.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:51 < cluckj> nmz787, it was had 05:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-71-77.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:25 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 < fenn> .title http://www.postnatural.org/ 05:43 < yoleaux> Center for PostNatural History 05:44 < fenn> "'PostNatural' refers to living organisms that have been altered through processes such as selective breeding or genetic engineering. The mission of the Center for PostNatural History is to acquire, interpret, and provide access to a collection of living, preserved, and documented organisms of postnatural origin. 05:44 < fenn> "provide access" is an interesting twist for a museum 05:44 < fenn> does this mean they have atcc microbe strains and cell lines? 05:45 < fenn> or is it just like, "hey, look at this dead goat" 05:49 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vrcacvaiuslopyqe] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:54 < fenn> no need to photograph the books, they're here http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/1abbddb613f9276c81d2067170916320 05:55 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:04 < fenn> should i get a crock pot that's missing a crock? i'm not sure what to do with it but it seems potentially useful 06:04 < cluckj> sous vide cooker? incubator? 06:04 < fenn> it's square stainless-clad and programmable 06:05 < fenn> i was thinking about making machinable wax 06:05 < fenn> or some other plastic dissolving experiment 06:05 < fenn> hadn't thought of sous vide 06:06 < fenn> ok my mind is made up, huzzah, more junk! 06:24 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:26 < fenn> junk acquired. 06:38 < fenn> ok maybe "programmable" was an overstatement... but it does have an LCD that i could hack to do something useful, like display the temperature setting 06:39 < fenn> it reminds me of the water baths in the biology lab 06:40 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:42 < cluckj> sweet 06:47 < kanzure> .title http://www.autogeny.org/aircar/index.html 06:47 < yoleaux> Aircar Proposal 06:47 < kanzure> ("Molecular Manufacturing and the Private Aircar") 06:50 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:59 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/slow_cooker_PSC400.jpg 07:00 < fenn> i don't like the blue backlight really 07:01 < chris_99> whatcha gonna do with it 07:04 < fenn> not sure, any ideas? 07:06 < cluckj> fenn, anything is programmable if you put a board on it 07:06 < fenn> yeah but this has buttons and an LCD and possibly a temperature sensor 07:06 < cluckj> so it's already theoretically programmable? 07:07 < chris_99> if you added some recirculation thing, sous vide could be fun 07:07 < cluckj> aquarium pump 07:07 < chris_99> mmm 07:08 < cluckj> some dude at nyc resistor had a frankenstein's monster sous vide cooker he made from a broken crock pot 07:09 < fenn> why recirculation? it's being heated from all sides 07:10 < cluckj> you want it to be an even temperature all around, with no hot spots 07:10 < chris_99> mmm 07:10 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:11 < chris_99> i might try sous vide with my brewing system as that uses recirculation of water through an element + PID - https://www.anfractuosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/rims1.jpg 07:12 < fenn> i'm amazed at how much people charge for PID temperature controllers 07:13 < cuba> they are very cheap on alibaba 07:13 < chris_99> mine was like £20 i think or less 07:13 < fenn> it's literally just a relay, a microcontroller, a thermocouple, and some knobs 07:13 < cuba> including SSR/pt100 like 30$ 07:13 < chris_99> im gonna switch to using 1-wire temp probes probably + an STM ARM 07:13 < fenn> why would anyone need a solid state relay for temperature control? 07:14 < fenn> you're not recrystallizing silicon 07:14 < superkuh> I used one for controlled crystallization of triglycine sulfate. 07:14 < chris_99> to switch the element without the relay breaking? 07:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:17 < fenn> "Triglycine sulfate (TGS) crystal is an important ferroelectric crystal used on a large spectrum of radiation detection. Crystals from this family are used as targeted vidicon materials." 07:20 < fenn> .title http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=971416 07:20 < yoleaux> SPIE | Proceeding | Triglycine sulfate (TGS) crystals for pyroelectric infrared detecting devices 07:21 < fenn> engineering review article 07:22 < fenn> hmm 07:22 < fenn> paperbot: http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=971416 07:23 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Triglycine%20sulfate%20%28TGS%29%20crystals%20for%20pyroelectric%20infrared%20detecting%20devices.pdf 07:25 < fenn> wow it worked 07:26 < fenn> needs watermark scrubbing 07:26 < fenn> the article is more an introduction than a review 07:26 < chris_99> i wonder if any publishers use invisble watermarks on images etc. 07:26 < fenn> doubt it 07:27 < fenn> they still use ftp servers for uploading manuscripts 07:27 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28 < chris_99> hehe 07:30 < superkuh> This lab write-up was a valuable guide. http://physics.technion.ac.il/~jammia/advlab/advlab.htm 07:34 < fenn> would it be possible to make a mechanical scanning infrared camera using one of these crystals? 07:34 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:34 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:36 < fenn> PIR sensors are cheap but small, which makes for poor SNR/bandwidth 07:48 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vrcacvaiuslopyqe] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:53 < chris_99> Anyone know the name of that super reflective material, thats used on projector screens 07:54 < fenn> retro-reflective microspheres? 07:55 < chris_99> merci thats the one indeed 07:55 < kanzure> reflective microwho? 07:55 < fenn> .g "screen goo" 07:55 < yoleaux> http://www.goosystemsglobal.com/ 07:57 < fenn> i wonder how they get enough depth of field on those "projection mapping" music stages to keep everything in focus 07:57 < chris_99> so that screen goo is the same kind of stuff? 07:58 < fenn> apparently 08:00 < chris_99> just found someone selling sample strips of 3M retroreflective stuff, i only need a teensy ammount 08:01 < fenn> i got some yellow reflective tape for my bike 08:01 < fenn> there is even "black" reflective tape which looks white at night (with a headlamp) 08:02 < chris_99> haha weird 08:04 < fenn> wow $250/gallon 08:04 < kanzure> 08:02 <+justanotheruser> .to xentrac Is there a way I can define a function arbitrarily using cams rather than a cam system just acting as an ASIC? 08:05 < fenn> justanotheruser: a cam is a function plotted radially 08:06 < justanotheruser> fenn: I know 08:06 < fenn> why is kanzure on pacific time 08:06 < kanzure> time is too confusing for me 08:07 < justanotheruser> I am asking if I can set some of the inputs to define some function and the rest of the inputs to be inputs for that function 08:07 < kanzure> someone taught me to read clocks and ever since i've regretted it 08:07 < kanzure> "well that's fucked up" 08:07 < fenn> yeah clocks are stupid 08:08 < justanotheruser> >1425053278 08:08 < justanotheruser> >not using unix time 08:08 < chris_99> except ones that can sense gravity, those are pretty cool 08:09 < fenn> that's a differential time gradient detector 08:09 < fenn> or something 08:10 < chris_99> i was reading something about the latest generation of atomic clocks being so precise even from the top to the bottom of the room, they run at different rates 08:11 -!- Mokstar [~Moktortil@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:11 -!- Mokstar [~Moktortil@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:11 -!- Mokstar [~Moktortil@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:16 < kanzure> delinquentme: https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/94 08:16 < kanzure> delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/abi391/ 08:19 < kanzure> delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/Synthesis%20-%20Microfluidic%20PicoArray%20synthesis%20of%20oligodeoxynucleotides%20and%20simultaneous%20assembling%20of%20multiple%20DNA%20sequences%20(10%20kb).pdf 08:33 < kanzure> hmm. 08:40 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:43 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:54 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:11 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-fghqgtuwknlcyllx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-92.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-92.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:23 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:38 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/raphael-walter-meier/erich-von-kollar-presents 09:44 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:45 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nyelvuyomuhbrriz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:45 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:46 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:51 < kanzure> spock being mistaken for spock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9G5ciMqFNM&t=5m30s 09:55 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:55 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:308b:8ba0:c9f0:f34f:f0e2:f012] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:02 < nmz787_i> fenn: those weren't the books I photographed... the books I snapped pics of were in the back room, which would be behind Rich in the gigapan pic 11:04 < fenn> did you at least pluck a hair from the transgenic goat? 11:06 < nmz787_i> chris_99: nice cart! 11:06 < nmz787_i> nah 11:07 < nmz787_i> more impetus to produce my own DNA from scratch 11:30 < nmz787_i> .wik dantzig 11:30 < yoleaux> "Dantzig is a surname. Notable people with the surname include:" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dantzig 11:30 < nmz787_i> .wik  Tobias Dantzig 11:30 < yoleaux> "Tobias Dantzig (February 19, 1884 – August 9, 1956) was a mathematician of Baltic German and Russian American heritage, the father of George Dantzig, and the author of Number: The Language of Science (A critical survey written for the cultured non-mathematician) (1930) and Aspects of Science (New York, Macmillan, 1937)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobias_Dantzig 11:31 < nmz787_i> not to be confused with: 11:31 < nmz787_i> .wik glen dnazig 11:31 < yoleaux> "Glenn Danzig (born Glenn Allen Anzalone; June 23, 1955) is an American singer, songwriter and musician from Lodi, New Jersey. He is a founder of bands the Misfits, Samhain, and Danzig. He owns the Evilive record label as well as Verotik, an adult-oriented comic book publishing company." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Danzig 11:34 -!- Mokstar [~Moktortil@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:43 < chris_99> nmz787_i, working on any electronic projects atm? 11:44 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/djgarretts/garrett-s-digitally-imported-15th-anniversary-mix 11:50 < nmz787_i> chris_99: lately I've been spending most of my free time procrastinating for or doing actual classwork 11:52 < chris_99> heh, you almost finished at uni? 11:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-71-77.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:52 < nmz787_i> yeah, should have this latest experiment to write-up, one more next week, and maybe I will re-write one previous that I did poorly on 11:53 < nmz787_i> then I just have to take some 2-hour english test to get credit for english-101 11:54 < chris_99> this is was a masters course right? 11:55 < nmz787_i> nah 11:55 < nmz787_i> custom 7 or 8 year bachelors program 11:57 < chris_99> ah yeah 12:06 -!- Moktsar [~Moktortil@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:11 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:15 -!- Moktsar [~Moktortil@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19 < sheena> nmz787_i: topic of class? 12:22 -!- _TK_ [~TK@82.131.16.182.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:54 < nmz787_i> sheena: instrumental analysis is the title... it is using most of the cool chemistry detection equipment (GC/MS, fluorimetry, voltamettry, spectrophotometry, atomic absorbtion/emission spectrophotometry, potentiometry, liquid chromatography with UV spectrophotometry) 12:54 < chris_99> neat :) 12:54 < sheena> so you're learning to tell what something is made of without knowing ahead of time ..? 12:55 < nmz787_i> I guess that's the idea... we know all the stuff ahead of time though 12:55 < sheena> for learnign purpose, i'd assume this would need ot be ttrue 12:55 < nmz787_i> like for voltammetry we were looking at/for cadmium and lead in cigarette extract along with e-cig extract 12:56 < nmz787_i> for GC/MS we were looking for nicotine concentration in those 12:59 < chris_99> have you done any electrochemistry stuff such as with a potentiostat 13:23 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:308b:8ba0:c9f0:f34f:f0e2:f012] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:38 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nyelvuyomuhbrriz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:47 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:59 < nmz787_i> chris_99: I did ASV (anodic stripping voltammetry).... which is where you make one of the electrodes the opposite charge of some ion/metal of interest, causing the ions to plate onto the electrode (I guess this might be considered electroplating).... then you slowly ramp the voltage toward the opposite polarity, in small steps, and during each step you monitor the current through the analyte.... the idea is that certain ions will 13:59 < nmz787_i> pop off the plate at certain voltages... and you can tell when they pop off by watching the current spike around that voltage 14:00 < nmz787_i> for potentiometry we did the classic pH, then also pCl and pBr 14:00 < nmz787_i> (for chlorine and bromine) 14:01 < chris_99> cool! 14:01 < nmz787_i> basically that consists of an electrometer circuit, and an electrode that is allowed to interact only with the ions of interest (so you need some special filter, often some membrane, or for pH it's just glass) 14:01 < nmz787_i> http://www.tau.ac.il/~advanal/StrippingVoltammetry_files/image040.gif 14:02 < nmz787_i> http://web.chem.ucsb.edu/~kwp/cheapstat/ 14:02 < chris_99> i bought a chip that seems quite nice, that's got spi/i2c i foget which that you connect a pH electrode too 14:02 < nmz787_i> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023783 14:02 < chris_99> yeah i've seen the cheapstat 14:02 < nmz787_i> http://www.iorodeo.com/content/building-cheapstat-open-source-potentiostats 14:03 < nmz787_i> it's cool because the xray detector I was working on basically uses an electrometer that is hooked up to a photodiode 14:03 < chris_99> cool, whatcha gonna use that for? 14:03 < chris_99> you can detect x-rays with a photodiode?! 14:05 < nmz787_i> yeah, a PIN photodiode 14:06 < nmz787_i> normally used for NIR communications 14:06 < chris_99> aha interesting 14:06 < nmz787_i> idea was initially sparked as a method to determine the remaining thickness of a hole being machined by an ion beam into a metal 14:07 < chris_99> oh, how do the x-rays relate to this? 14:07 < nmz787_i> .wik bremsstrahlung 14:07 < yoleaux> "Bremsstrahlung (German pronunciation: [ˈbʁɛmsˌʃtʁaːlʊŋ] ( listen), from bremsen "to brake" and Strahlung "radiation", i.e. "braking radiation" or "deceleration radiation") is electromagnetic radiation produced by the deceleration of a charged particle when deflected by another charged particle, typically an electron by an atomic nucleus." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung 14:07 < chris_99> aha cool 14:07 < nmz787_i> ion shoots into target, knocking off sub-molecular chunks 14:08 < chris_99> and you get x-rays back? 14:08 < nmz787_i> yep the electrons changing orbits and junk creates photons 14:09 < chris_99> so the number of photons returned would mean something? to do with the thickness you've milled 14:09 < nmz787_i> well the xrays can be re-absorbed in the bulk material... so their liklihood of getting to the detector increases as there is less material 14:09 < chris_99> ah 14:09 < nmz787_i> (as milling proceeds) 14:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:14 < fenn> huh i actually chatted with aaron rowe about potentiostats, didn't know he made an actual open source hardware project 14:14 < fenn> context DIY urinalysis 14:16 < nmz787_i> IMO the worst instruments were the potentiostate and the mass-spec 14:17 < chris_99> why so 14:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:19 < nmz787_i> noise, lack of repeatability, lack of data trending correctly with little error 14:20 < nmz787_i> it's possible we just needed more data for each sample, to boost the statistics 14:20 < nmz787_i> I've had trouble with pH type meters before, endlessly drifting 14:20 < nmz787_i> the mass-spec was surprising as it was a relatively new instrument 14:21 < chris_99> yeah i've heard about pH meters needing lots of calibration? and them also needing to be thrown away before they get too old 14:21 < nmz787_i> but of the samples we ran twice, we got different data each time and it was bad enough that I didn't write much praise for it in my report 14:22 < nmz787_i> I know the electrodes can foul 14:23 < nmz787_i> but I am not sure where the drift came into play... if it was some interaction between a slow-to-equilibrate electrode/selective-membrane and the electrometer leakage current... or something else 14:23 < chris_99> ahh 14:23 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24 < fenn> heh "Dr. Aaron Rowe Ph.D. 2011 Currently: V.P. of Clinical Research, Integrated Plasmonics Corporation" 14:27 < nmz787_i> huh 14:27 < chris_99> i'm curious whats the difference between a cheapo $10 pH electrode and some fancy pants expensive one 14:27 < fenn> the price! 14:27 < chris_99> haha 14:30 < nmz787_i> http://www.quebs2015.org/participants--program.html 14:30 < nmz787_i> chris_99: hopefully the ADC/electrometer circuit is better with more $ 14:31 < chris_99> i mean just the elctrode though 14:31 < chris_99> no electronics 14:32 < chris_99> par example http://shop.hannainst.com/hi10530.html?id=040006&ProdCode=HI%252010530 14:33 < cluckj> about $160, it looks like 14:34 < chris_99> yeah i just have a $10 one 14:34 < nmz787_i> the actual electrode probably isn't very different 14:34 < chris_99> this is what i was thinking if its just glass+chemical 14:35 < cluckj> a $10 one that's got electrolytes in it? 14:35 < chris_99> yes 14:35 < chris_99> how else do they work? 14:35 < nmz787_i> "The glass tip uses a special LT (low temperature) glass formulation with a lower resistance of approximately 50 megaohms compared to GP (general purpose) glass with a resistance of about 100 megaohms. This is beneficial since many food products are stored at low temperatures. As the temperature of the glass decreases in the sample, the resistance of the LT glass will approach that of GP glass. If using GP glass, the resistance 14:35 < nmz787_i> would increase above the optimum range, resulting in increased impedance and ultimately affecting the measurement." 14:35 < nmz787_i> lower resistance, less johnson noise I think 14:35 < nmz787_i> unles you use a chopper 14:35 < nmz787_i> bbl 14:36 < cluckj> ^ 14:38 < chris_99> ah, so it's some fancy glass 14:43 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:43 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:44 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:49 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:50 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bohznztlxnlgecpv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 < kanzure> http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1113239467/lego-inspired-microfluidics-092214/ 15:15 < chris_99> heh neat 15:17 < kanzure> yeah but i'm not sure if practical... seems like many of the things you want to do may require less space and demand shorter interconnects... so not sure how this works out in practice.. 15:24 < chris_99> is the liquid itself travelling on a single plane though 15:24 < chris_99> in each 'chip' 15:44 < nmz787_i> i thought PNAS was open... did that change or is my memory bad? 15:44 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://www.pnas.org/content/111/42/15013.full.pdf+html?sid=f79338f3-77e3-4552-971c-3da9d7337bda 15:44 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1073%2Fpnas.1414764111 15:46 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://www.pnas.org/content/111/42/15013.short 15:46 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1073%2Fpnas.1414764111 15:46 < nmz787_i> of course the supplement is avail http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2014/09/16/1414764111.DCSupplemental/pnas.201414764SI.pdf 15:54 < nmz787_i> i wonder why parallela seems to have stopped making products, and never released their 64-core processor 16:00 < chris_99> didn't they have one with even more cores than that too 16:01 < chris_99> i'm still not sure how different their actual cores are from a GPU type system 16:02 < chris_99> or even an FPGA using OpenCL 16:04 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05 < nmz787_i> aren't GPUs just vector processors... meaning they can do the same operation on many many data at once, but can't actually do different 'processing' for each data address/chunk 16:05 < nmz787_i> (i don't know but was thinking about this recentlyt 16:05 < nmz787_i> ) 16:06 < chris_99> iirc there are actually different parts of the GPU that can run different instructions 16:08 < chris_99> maybe i'm wrong 16:08 < chris_99> as they are classed as SIMD by the looks of it 16:10 < chris_99> so yeah soundsd like you're right 16:10 < chris_99> Epiphany is MIMD 16:15 < nmz787_i> "For the MEBDW system with a large beam size, the fact that 30 µC/cm2 means only about 10 electrons deposited in a pixel of 2.25×2.25 nm2 area, implies that the simulation of incident electrons at a beam diameter between 20 and 35 nm, much larger than the pixel size, cannot be simply represented by a Gaussian intensity. These 10 electrons randomly spread into the circular area around the target pixel with a specific beam spot 16:15 < nmz787_i> distribution. Accumulation of the electrons and consequent scatterings from all pixels within a feature provides the required dosage and forms the imaging intensity. Although the adjacent spots will overlap each other, the sparse distribution still introduces the noise to the imaging process. The increase of the dosage delivers more electrons and reduces the statistical shot noise. The bigger the beam size is, the worse divergence 16:15 < nmz787_i> it causes. The lower dosage, the sparser distribution it can be." 16:17 < nmz787_i> "A compromise solution for choosing an appropriate probe size for enough resolution and beam current, as well as a moderate resist sensitivity are the keys to the success of the MEBDW technology" 16:18 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:19 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:21 < nmz787_i> .title https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coflynn/chipwhisperer-lite-a-new-era-of-hardware-security 16:21 < yoleaux> ChipWhisperer-Lite: A New Era of Hardware Security Research by Colin O'Flynn — Kickstarter 16:22 < chris_99> cool, didn't knwo that was on KS, i've seen his hackaday project page 16:24 < chris_99> nmz787_i, this is the plan for the ToF chip - https://www.anfractuosity.com/files/hydro.png 16:31 < nmz787_i> cool, I rememeber talking about this before a bit 16:31 < nmz787_i> did you ever decide to look at some cells with a fluidic 16:31 < nmz787_i> ? 16:32 < chris_99> still need to order some, the folks from thailand can make them out of two chips, to do the mixing 16:32 < chris_99> and observation 16:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:40 -!- Beatzebub__ [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:42 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:53 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-fghqgtuwknlcyllx] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 16:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:48 -!- Beatzebub__ is now known as Beatzebub 18:58 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@162-245-22-166.v250d.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 < delinquentme> nmz787, 18:58 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bohznztlxnlgecpv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:53 < nmz787> delinquentme: sup 21:47 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:48 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@73.168.27.10] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:48 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@73.168.27.10] has quit [Changing host] 21:48 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:49 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:54 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:58 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:14 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-237-183-82.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-89-32-211.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:52 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@162-245-22-166.v250d.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Sat Feb 28 00:00:07 2015