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01:16 < archels> hm so they just drop the DNA strands into the cytosol with that lance?
01:16 < archels> was wondering earlier how they'd locate and target the nucleus
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02:21 < fenn> http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK  http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Talk:INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK
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04:28 < fenn> http://www.sandisk.com/about-sandisk/press-room/press-releases/2015/200gb-sandisk-ultra-microsdxc-uhs-i-card-premium-edition/
04:28 < fenn> 200GB glued to your fingernail
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06:45 < kanzure> i think the grinders are anti-glue
06:49 < archels> "200 GB implanted under your fingernail"
06:50 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9130954
06:50 < yoleaux> Coding is not the new literacy | Hacker News
06:50 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9130364
06:50 < yoleaux> Chip Makers Will Merge in Deal Worth $11.8B | Hacker News
06:51 < kanzure> digital signal processing thingy http://jackschaedler.github.io/circles-sines-signals/
06:54 < kanzure> "don't use a todo list, use a stop doing list" blah
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08:16 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAIQeTeMJ-I
08:16 < yoleaux> Glass brain flythrough - Gazzaleylab / SCCN / Neuroscapelab - YouTube
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11:20 < archels> .title http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/982/chp%253A10.1007%252F978-3-642-39802-5_59.pdf?auth66=1425323914_54127466242b2565c3200bc4af714250&ext=.pdf
11:20 < yoleaux> Error
11:20 < archels> "The AI Singularity and Runaway Human Intelligence"
11:22 < archels> Tony Prescott doesn't just do cool science with robots, he also knows where it's at
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14:06 < kanzure> "This variant reduced the ability of BHLHE41 to suppress CLOCK/BMAL1 and NPAS2/BMAL1 transactivation in vitro."
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16:08 < fenn> don't don't use a todo list, use a don't todo lust
16:09 < kanzure> "stare at todo lust for 4 to 5 hours per day for best effect"
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16:11 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/djgarretts/garrett-s-digitally-imported-15th-anniversary-mix
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19:49 < nmz787> these animals need representation in the forward-evolution-thinking community...  I proposed we change the name of this room to Xplusroadmap.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtoTm62rx3Y
19:49 < nmz787> .title
19:49 < yoleaux> Scuba Cat and Scuba Dog - YouTube
19:49 < nmz787> s/proposed/propose/
20:00 < nmz787> "just because they cannot speak, doesn't mean they shouldn't be heard"
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21:12 < nmz787> .tell chris_99 I think I may have been talking to you about this type of thing for some reason... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_noise   via    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock-in_amplifier
21:12 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
21:15 < nmz787> .tell chris_99 ah, yeah I mentioned it on 2-27 incorrectly referencing it as 'johnson noise' re: pH electrode sensing methods.... but it should be 'pink noise' (1/freq sampled at noise... so lower freq more noise)
21:15 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
21:30 < nmz787> "The relatively small number of atomic absorption lines (compared to atomic emission lines) and their narrow width (a few pm) make spectral overlap rare; there are only very few examples known that an absorption line from one element will overlap with another."
21:30 < nmz787> from
21:30 < nmz787> .wik atomic absorption spectroscopy
21:30 < yoleaux> "Atomic absorption spectroscopy (AAS) is a spectroanalytical procedure for the quantitative determination of chemical elements using the absorption of optical radiation (light) by free atoms in the gaseous state." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_absorption_spectroscopy
21:33 < kanzure> so i have a dumb idea...
21:33 < kanzure> there should be a way to use fog as a giant distributed bioreactor
21:34 < nmz787> isn't that from some movie?
21:34 < nmz787> i mean, case in point
21:34 < nmz787> :)
21:34 < nmz787> gravity would still happen
21:34 < kanzure> "Shadows are cast through fog in three dimensions. The fog is dense enough to be illuminated by light that passes through gaps in a structure or tree, but thin enough to let a large quantity of that light pass through to illuminate points further on. As a result, object shadows appear as "beams" oriented in a direction parallel to the light source. These voluminous shadows are due to the same cause as crepuscular rays, which are the ...
21:34 < kanzure> ... shadows of clouds, but in this case, they are the shadows of solid objects."
21:34 < nmz787> so you'd still get some settling or circulation patterns to think about
21:34 < kanzure> "gravity would still happen"?
21:37 < gene_hacker> so why don't you provide a continuous updraft to balance out gravity?
21:37 < nmz787> there are those air organisms... genspace was trying to concentrate and grow/test them once
21:38 < gene_hacker> clouds can float after all
21:38 < gene_hacker> air organisms?
21:38 < nmz787> gene_hacker: yeah just sayin you gotta think about that
21:38 < gene_hacker> does stuff live in clouds?
21:38 < nmz787> yeah like stuff that lives in the air/clouds, not just like pollen and spores
21:38 < gene_hacker> isn't it typically too cold?
21:38 < nmz787> seems not, there are glacier worms
21:39 < nmz787> (they do not live in clouds)
21:39 < nmz787> (they live in glaciers)
21:39 < gene_hacker> http://www.npr.org/2013/01/29/170459317/bird-plane-bacteria-microbes-thrive-in-storm-clouds
21:40 < gene_hacker> so why a fog bioreactor?
21:40 < nmz787> seems like it could have advantages
21:41 < gene_hacker> like?
21:41 < nmz787> would that be aeroponics?
21:41 < nmz787> or betweern aeroponics and hydroponics?
21:41 < nmz787> .wik aeroponics
21:41 < yoleaux> "Aeroponics is the process of growing plants in an air or mist environment without the use of soil or an aggregate medium (known as geoponics). The word "aeroponic" is derived from the Greek meanings of aero- (air) and ponos (labour)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroponics
21:41 < nmz787> yeah, so whatever the advantages of that are
21:41 < nmz787> but for other aerobics
21:42 < nmz787> as long as the media droplets mixed enough
21:42 < nmz787> which means reatomization often or something
21:42 < nmz787> maybe
21:43 < nmz787> and then, how do the organisms handle reatomization?
21:49 < kanzure> fog bioreactor has advantage of extremely large scale
21:50 < kanzure> "Fog is composed of tiny water drops, each one with a diameter of about one-one thousandth (0.001) of an inch. They are small and fairly uniform in size. You also would find about one of these drops in each cubic inch of fog. If you do the math, that is about 56,000 gallons of water in one cubic mile of fog."
21:51 < kanzure> 0.001 inch = 25.4 microns
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21:53 < gene_hacker> wouldn't that be inefficient?
21:53 < kanzure> that's 10^16 droplets
21:54 < gene_hacker> 56,000 gallons is less than the cargo capacity of a boeing 747
21:55 < kanzure> an olympic swimming pool is 660k gallons
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21:55 < kanzure> well that was only one cubic mile of fog of course
21:56 < gene_hacker> making one cubic mile of fog and keeping it that way is probably very expensive
21:56 < kanzure> perhaps... but can also happen higher in the atmosphere, at night.
21:57 < gene_hacker> what is the advantage of this?
21:57 < kanzure> parallelism
21:57 < gene_hacker> and how do you get what you are growing to stay in the fog?
21:57 < kanzure> and combinatorics
21:57 < kanzure> hmm.
21:58 < gene_hacker> why not just use a big pool? with air bubbling through it?
21:59 < gene_hacker> or build a fluidized bed with foam beads with fluid in them if you really need a lot of gas exchange
22:00 < kanzure> namib desert "Coastal regions can experience more than 180 days of thick fog a year"
22:01 < gene_hacker> so how do you get what you are growing into the fog?
22:02 < kanzure> what's the size of the earth's atmosphere in cubic miles
22:02 < kanzure> "3.947 billion cubic miles"
22:03 < kanzure> yeah i dunno the details yet
22:07 < kanzure> at minimum it may be a cheap way to store droplets
22:08 < nmz787> i would worry the cells would quickly run out of nutrients or salts or something
22:08 < kanzure> in 25.3 cubmic microns?
22:08 < kanzure> *cubic
22:08 < kanzure> 25.4
22:08 < kanzure> gah
22:10 < kanzure> you could also use this for non-biology reasons, like chemistry and liquid crystal spatial modulation things if you were clever enough
22:14 < gene_hacker> there's this:
22:15 < gene_hacker> http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/02/orbiting-rainbow-project-experiment.html
22:15 < nmz787> well isn't a decent eukaryotic/human cell like 10-30 microns?
22:16 < nmz787> doesn't seem like you have trackability or non monte-carlo addressability
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23:16 < maaku> kanzure: where does the atmosphere stop?
23:17 < maaku> e.g. the earth's hydrogen atmosphere extends to infinity
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23:56 < justanotheruser> Is the atmosphere not defined as being a place where there is a certain density of matter?
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