--- Log opened Sat Mar 14 00:00:21 2015 00:33 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:35 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:36 -!- TK_ [~TK@85.253.73.31.cable.starman.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:49 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d75-156-90-64.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:05 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 -!- cuba [~qba@static.217.217.251.148.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04 -!- TK_ [~TK@85.253.73.31.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:11 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:08 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:53 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:16 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:27 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:33 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:44 -!- TK_ [~TK@85.253.74.68.cable.starman.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:51 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:28 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:41 -!- Shannon_ [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:46 -!- Shannon_ is now known as Shannon 07:01 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:08 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- TK_ [~TK@85.253.74.68.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:35 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0035a400-2379.bb.online.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:42 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:56 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nccfpxwrrqfyrjgg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:43 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:02 -!- JonTitor [~superobse@unaffiliated/superobserver] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:04 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:07 -!- Shannon_ [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:14 -!- JonTitor [~superobse@unaffiliated/superobserver] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:53 -!- Shannon_ [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0035a400-2379.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:12 < kanzure> "Citizen Stock Ownership Plan for the Autonomous Freezone of Aquia" http://wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/CitSOP 10:40 -!- TK_ [~TK@82.131.18.247.cable.starman.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 < nmz787> probably the best indiegogo for hplus to-date https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9202182 10:50 < nmz787> .title 10:50 < yoleaux> Non-profit produced MDMA 'ecstasy' and psychedelics | Hacker News 10:50 < nmz787> now there's some nootropics 10:51 < nmz787> that actually do something provable 10:51 < nmz787> and impactful 10:52 < chris_99> were are they manufacturing it 10:55 < kanzure> "We were only ever able to find one successful method of recruiting new micronationalists: wait for random people around the world to learn about micronations, start their own projects without any impact or influence from us, integrate those projects into the larger community, and then if those projects failed after a year or two sometimes their members would join us instead. This sort of worked, but never enough to get us more than ten ... 10:55 < kanzure> ... or twenty people. And those other projects, the ones they made, very rarely had more than ten or twenty people either, despite hordes of people who said they thought micronations were interesting and agreed to participate for a few months. It was a weird problem, and one I was never able to solve before I left the hobby." 10:56 < kanzure> "It doesn’t help that a lot of people (DESPITE MY BEST EFFORTS) keep thinking that rationality will turn them into supermen and get upset that they’ve been in the Bay Area like an entire month and are not yet Elon Musk." 10:57 < kanzure> ".. And that after ten years in micronations, the rule that no matter what happened we would never get more than a dozen or so people seemed like a law of nature. And that I just checked after two years outside the community, and it looks like one new person came in to replace me and no one else, and they’re still stuck around twelve. So there does seem to be this very real community failure mode where everyone is socially saturated ... 10:57 < kanzure> ... with each other and new people feel like they can’t break in" 10:57 < kanzure> nah that's not why nobody shows up 10:58 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59 < kanzure> how about because your opportunities for growth are basically nil? 12:05 < nmz787> chris_99: seems like some northern european country 12:11 < chris_99> ah 12:58 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- TK_ [~TK@82.131.18.247.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:29 < maaku> kanzure: who are you quoting? 13:34 < kanzure> ssc :/ 13:36 < kanzure> (slatestarcodex) 13:42 < maaku> ah i didn't know he was in the micronation movement 13:42 < maaku> i thought micronations were cool when I was a teenager 13:42 < maaku> then i grew up 13:42 < kanzure> growing up is a lousy reason to think micronations are lame 13:43 < kanzure> they are lame for many other splendid reasons 13:45 < maaku> hah ok. i mean may immature naivete blinded me to the spectacularly obvious reasons why they are lame, and growing up corrected that :) 13:55 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Freight_Swap_Agreement 13:56 < maaku> why EY thinks he can beat the VC market : https://www.facebook.com/groups/674486385982694/permalink/742024599228872/ 13:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:11 < kanzure> this is the most fucked up reasoning i have ever seen: "And it is not easy for me to describe the cognitive differences; if it was (a) easy to explain and (b) obviously correct once explained, then everyone over a certain IQ level would be doing it. " 14:26 < kanzure> "My recommendation is to approach Thiel. He knows you. He understands the substance of your work to date. Ask him for a shot at an idea vetting position." "Doug, starting my own company requires more years-of-life diversion than I can afford at this point." 14:26 < kanzure> so.. eliezer is incapable of reading, too. 14:40 < maaku> i failed to read on after his "VCs are stupid for funding the team not the idea!" rant 14:41 < maaku> ideas are communicable. unfortunately getting people to execute ideas is not a very teachable skill 14:47 < maaku> VCs fund people that can execute ideas. how is this not obvious. 15:07 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-241-254-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-241-254-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:26 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-55-147-70.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:11 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 < kanzure> maaku: that said, i think it's interesting that ycombinator put peter thiel in their group 17:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:29 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:09 < kanzure> https://waytools.com/products/textblade/1/smarter-keys 18:15 < kanzure> "the space bar is structurally formed from an ultra-slim lithium polymer battery" 18:16 < kanzure> "Tools should make life simpler, not add work.TextBlade is smart enough to magnetically set itself up, connect, and turn itself on.When it's time to go, the blades even magnetically compact themselves in a slender stack that slips easily into any pocket.No hinges to break, or connectors to mess with." 18:16 < justanotheruser> That looks small and difficult to use. I'd rather have a keyboard where I can unlock the keys and adjust their location 18:17 < kanzure> i use this http://www.amazon.com/ZAGG-FOLZKFLEXSLV-Zagg-ZAGGkeys-FLEX/dp/B00695OFE2 18:17 < kanzure> fits in my pocket 18:17 < justanotheruser> do you wear cargo shorts? 18:18 < justanotheruser> that things is huge compared to pocket size http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514qNYcDrbL.jpg 18:19 < kanzure> nah i am just the size of the forest moon of endor 18:19 < kanzure> yeah, the width is really not tha tmuch 18:19 < kanzure> if you can fit your hand in your pocket then you can fit that keyboard 18:20 < justanotheruser> Also, I probably have more typing probems than you, so I desire a different product 18:20 < justanotheruser> and by typing problems I mean unlike your 160wpm 99.9th percentile I'm more like 80th percentile 18:21 < kanzure> http://d2yhexj5rb8c94.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/texblade-three.jpg 18:21 < justanotheruser> thats actually pretty sexy 18:21 < kanzure> http://images.gizmag.com/hero/textblade-keyboard.jpg 18:22 < justanotheruser> that isn't though. It looks like andre the giant trying to use a regular person keyboard 18:22 < kanzure> http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2015/03/textbladelineup-800x533.jpg 18:23 < kanzure> everyone knows that andre the giant had a custom typewriter made just for him 18:23 < kanzure> https://miepvonsydow.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/3peo5hd.jpg?w=590 18:25 < justanotheruser> what layout do you use? dvorak? 18:26 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:9865:644:424f:1e8e] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:26 < kanzure> qwerty 18:27 < justanotheruser> seriously? 18:27 < kanzure> yes? 18:27 < kanzure> textblade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwGK5RvNOFI 18:27 < justanotheruser> you get 160wpm on qwerty? 18:27 < justanotheruser> wow 18:28 < kanzure> i get 196 wpm on qwerty http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure 18:31 < kanzure> has n-key rollover https://twitter.com/waytools/status/574797753961746433 18:31 < kanzure> so that means it's compatible with plover 18:33 < kanzure> "N-key rollover is covered. TextBlade monitors all keys independently in real time." 18:34 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:70dc:1494:9290:e3f1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:38 < justanotheruser> What is the significance of two shift keys? 18:39 < justanotheruser> I don't understand, so you are just able to get past the bottleneck of having to lift a key to press another? 18:39 < eudoxia> i have the keyboard set up so if i press shift without modifying another key it produces a parenthesis 18:39 < eudoxia> left shift for ( right for ) obviously 18:39 < kanzure> you and your damn lisp 18:40 < justanotheruser> lol 18:44 < kanzure> "I think the newest tor bridge can smuggle the traffic over Google servers." 18:44 < kanzure> whoops i thought that said "Google answers" 18:44 < justanotheruser> https://github.com/philipl/pifs 18:45 < justanotheruser> store all your files simply by referencing where in pi the file can be found 18:49 < kanzure> jokes on you because my file system hash table is pi itself too 18:59 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nccfpxwrrqfyrjgg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:31 < kanzure> "because you don't need to move your fingers across the keyboard as much, a person can potentially type even faster than they're able to with a standard keyboard. " 19:31 < kanzure> hmm i am skeptical 19:36 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:38 < justanotheruser> I usually move my fingers while I'm pressing another key, little to no time lost :P 19:45 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-50-139.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-50-139.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-50-139.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:12 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-50-139.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: No calling card for the unsung bard] 20:13 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-50-139.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-55-147-70.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:32 < fenn> solvespace looks really promising 21:33 < kanzure> http://solvespace.com/dl/solvespace-rel2.0.zip 21:34 < kanzure> tarbomb 21:36 < kanzure> SShell::MakeIntersectionCurvesAgainst 21:38 < kanzure> "If the model is represented as NURBS surfaces (and not just as a triangle mesh), then the user can export those exact surfaces as a STEP file. When this is possible, it is usually the best choice, since it does not introduce any error." 21:38 < kanzure> "When Boolean operations are performed on triangle meshes (instead of exact NURBS surfaces), the resulting mesh quality will often be poor. An equally good mesh might have been achieved with fewer triangles, if the curves were piecewise-linear approximated differently. Or the mesh may contain long skinny triangles." 21:42 < kanzure> "When Boolean operations are performed on NURBS surfaces, the mesh quality will in general be much better. But some types of surface intersection are not handled by the current NURBS Booleans, so it may in some cases be impossible to perform the desired operation as a NURBS Boolean." 21:42 < kanzure> "To improve speed and mesh quality, draw the part using fewer Boolean operations. For example, a plate with a hole might be modeled in two different ways. The user might extrude the plate, and then cut a hole by extruding a circle as difference. Or the user might draw a single sketch with both the outline of the plate and the hole, and extrude only once. The latter option is preferable. The trim command (Sketch → Split Curves at ... 21:42 < kanzure> ... Intersection) may be useful while drawing complicated sections." 21:42 < kanzure> well that's unfortunate 21:52 < kanzure> "I live in Portland, Oregon." 21:52 < kanzure> quick, surround him! 21:52 < kanzure> https://github.com/BBBSnowball/python-solvespace 21:53 < kanzure> ugh i hate people "It generates valid OpenSCAD code from Python code with minimal overhead." 21:56 < justanotheruser> whats wrong with that 21:56 < kanzure> "let's dump shit to openscad" is like the worst possible use of this library 21:56 < kanzure> this is a cad engine 21:57 < fenn> also openscad is a language that never should have existed 21:57 < justanotheruser> :O 21:57 < kanzure> this is like writing down the secret of life and then someone wipes their ass with the paper you wrote it on 21:57 < justanotheruser> lol 21:57 < justanotheruser> why do you guys hate openscad 21:58 < kanzure> what part about toilet paper did you not get 21:58 < justanotheruser> the part where you could arbitrarily say anything is toilet paper and make the same argument 22:00 < kanzure> making a new programming language is completely unrelated to the problem of writing a good geometry kernel 22:01 < justanotheruser> so you are saying it should only exist as a library? 22:01 < kanzure> well also their implementation is bad 22:02 < kanzure> polyhedral approximation is no way to do precision geometry modeling 22:04 < kanzure> fenn: are you going to try this out? 22:26 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-161-73-67.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-158-165-69.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:56 < delinquentme> kanzure, why cant blockchain be adapted to protein folding problems? 23:36 < justanotheruser> delinquentme: because a folded protein isn't a hash 23:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:49 < delinquentme> justanotheruser, a conformation of a protein ... cant this be a proof of work? 23:49 < delinquentme> idk I know nothing about btc hashing 23:50 < justanotheruser> delinquentme: do you know anything about hashing in general? 23:51 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:52 < delinquentme> justanotheruser, I just want compute used for useful shit 23:58 < justanotheruser> delinquentme: PoW is useful for distributed consensus --- Log closed Sun Mar 15 00:00:22 2015