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06:09 < kanzure> beep
06:10 < kanzure> .title http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=467
06:10 < yoleaux> Lightning Networks Part III: Channeling Contracts - Rusty Russell's Coding Blog
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06:21 < kanzure> "The conditions under which war bears are prepared for their day on the battlefield is a closely guarded secret, though commonly-held assumptions are that these conditions probably are not great. "
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07:00 < kanzure> http://23pp.david-web.co.uk/about/ "An extension for the Google Chrome web browser that adds additional functionality to the 23andMe website. The extension especially adds a number of features to Relative Finder."
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07:00 < kanzure> http://goo.gl/FQSiwW "529andYou - An extension for the Google Chrome web browser that works with 23andMe’s Family Inheritance: Advanced tool (found under Ancestry Labs or, in the new beta website design, under My Results, Ancestry Tools) to collect information about DNA matches. The information, which includes shared segment data, is stored in a local database on your computer."
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07:00 < kanzure> http://www.genesand.us/ "A website for 23andMe users to “combine their genomes in order to better understand what disease risks most affect their family.” For example, a mother and father can link their 23andMe accounts to the site and determine the possible combinations for their children’s DNA. Appears to work with 23andMe’s new API offering."
07:00 < kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Taxonomy-Metaphysics-Mind-Uploading-Keith-Wiley-ebook/dp/B00NJZHGM8
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07:01 < kanzure> "Keith Wiley has a Ph.D. in Computer Science from the University of New Mexico and was one of the original members of MURG, the Mind Uploading Research Group, an online community dating to the mid-90s that discussed issues of consciousness with an aim toward mind-uploading."
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07:12 < archels> we talked about Taxonomy before, kanzure
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07:22 < kanzure> i think you're right
07:22 < kanzure> because when i looked up his name, the only time he showed up was when i was talking with you
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07:50 < kanzure> crispr cas9 moratorium proposal http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/science/biologists-call-for-halt-to-gene-editing-technique-in-humans.html
07:50 < kanzure> people are awful
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07:58 < andytoshi> i love «but also to enhance qualities like beauty or intelligence. The latter is a path that many ethicists believe should never be taken.»
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08:00 < andytoshi> whenever i see beautiful smart people, i think they are moral obscenities and wish they could never exist
08:00 < eudoxia> hey guys what's a thousand bioethicists chained to the bottom of the ocean
08:00 < eudoxia> a good start haha am i right
08:00 < andytoshi> hahaha
08:01 < eudoxia> i said it jokingly but i'm 100% serious :|
08:02 < kanzure> bioethicists are just intellectually challenged
08:02 < kanzure> there's only like two that have even considered the benefits of transhumanism
08:02 < CaptHindsight> who makes up this board of ethics? What science is there behind it? Is it 100% rational or do they weigh in some emotions to slant things?
08:03 < cluckj> rationality is an emotion tho
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08:03 < CaptHindsight> rational = logic for this example
08:03 < kanzure> they don't weigh all emotions, only certain emotions that help argue for the outcomes they want
08:03 < cluckj> not that I'm defending bioethicists
08:03 < cluckj> logic is emotionally motivated too
08:04 < cluckj> that feeling you get when you think something makes sense logically?
08:05 < CaptHindsight> does it work like the DSM where a group of "experts" votes on what goes in and what comes out?
08:05 < cluckj> it works like the priests badger everyone into a very conservative outcome
08:06 < CaptHindsight> amen
08:06 < kanzure> i have never seen a good proposal for a moratorium
08:07 < kanzure> .. ever.
08:08 < CaptHindsight> I wonder who is really behind that moratorium...
08:08 < CaptHindsight> is somebody trying to play catch up..
08:09 < kanzure> nah this happens all the time, people genuinely want moratoriums
08:09 < CaptHindsight> do they need more time to draft some legislation
08:10 < cluckj> I dunno the nuremberg code is pretty good
08:11 < CaptHindsight> a few years ago it was nanoparticles
08:11 < kanzure> last year it was "a moratorium on kickstarter projects involving genetic engineering"
08:12 < kanzure> thanks to the etc group >:(
08:12 < eudoxia> oh don't remind me
08:12 < CaptHindsight> why it wasn't hiphop in the 80's-00's we'll never know
08:12 < cluckj> o_O
08:12 < CaptHindsight> I didn't notice the kickstarters
08:13 < CaptHindsight> was it things "Be 2 inches taller by June" or real permanent hair color?
08:13 < kanzure> non-human
08:13 < cluckj> I think tipper gore was going for a moratorium on 90s hip hop
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08:14 < CaptHindsight> oh yeah, rating labels for rap cd's
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08:15 < CaptHindsight> http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/2/4583562/kickstarter-bans-project-creators-from-giving-GMO-rewards
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08:18 < CaptHindsight> meanwhile Exploding Kittens raises nearly $9M
08:19 < maaku_> obviously our values as a society are right-on
08:19 < kanzure> explodacats was because the author ran an extremely popular comic for like a decade, he had lots of fans built up
08:19 < cluckj> duh
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08:28 < CaptHindsight> I wonder if they are trying to block or hold this up?  http://www.nature.com/mt/journal/v17/n10/full/mt2009193a.html
08:28 < CaptHindsight> and similar since it's working
08:29 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/number-of-tabs-vs-date.png - I think I may need http://tabvention.io/
08:30 < kanzure> tabvention is dumb
08:30 < kanzure> what you need is a 28-hour day
08:34 < CaptHindsight> or maybe they watched 12 Monkeys and see it as a road map like Idiocracy vs entertainment
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09:02 < chris_99> kanzure, you have a metallurgical microscope don't you?
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09:04 < kanzure> nah, it was never advertised as metallurgical
09:05 < chris_99> ah sorry
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09:05 < chris_99> i just bought an olympus bhm, one, i was just wondering if you could look at say yeast cells etc as well through them, if i put a light below
09:06 < kanzure> .g olympus bhm
09:06 < yoleaux> http://www.alanwood.net/downloads/olympus-bhm-bh-2-brochure.pdf
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09:06 < chris_99> i can't see why a light below wouldn't work, but i don't really know how the optics differ
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09:12 < heath> buttercoin is closing
09:13 < heath> "With the dip in bitcoin interest among Silicon Valley investors, we weren't able to generate enough venture capital interest to continue funding Buttercoin."
09:17 < kanzure> what they really mean is "there are too many competing exchanges"
09:18 < chris_99> mmm heh
09:18 < kanzure> and "our growth rate has not been sufficient"
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10:10 < kanzure> "goldman sachs would have to be killing 3 million people per year" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9328745
10:12 < kanzure> altruists are a very strange group
10:12 < kanzure> best to avoid them
10:18 < archels> n + 1 lives saved is better than n lives saved
10:19 < archels> I think that's what they think, based on some clicking around on that domain
10:26 < andytoshi> archels: all things being equal that seems straightforward enough..
10:29 < andytoshi> ok, not all things are equal, they are actually putting a price on each life saved, so it costs (n+1)/n times as much to save n+1 lives
10:30 < andytoshi> lw/effective altruism for some reason model utility as being strightly linear in suffering and lives even though they have many examples of this being nonsensical (eg one person getting tortured for 50 years vs 3^^3 people having dust specks in their eyes)
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10:54 < kanzure> "it appears that none of the existing Intel chipsets support the full sized 16GB SODIMM chips (although apparently the AMD ones do)."
10:55 < kanzure> andytoshi: charity is not an optimal way to fix broken system design
11:05 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: desktop or laptop cpu's?
11:06 < CaptHindsight> the AMD APU's do, that's another reason why we are going to use them in the laptops to get 64GB max RAM
11:06 < kanzure> laptop
11:06 < kanzure> i want a 64 GB laptop soon. that's my next upgrade.
11:07 < CaptHindsight> going to start the crowdfunding soon
11:07 < kanzure> er, for what
11:07 < kanzure> you can just ask me for money, you know
11:07 < CaptHindsight> open laptops
11:08 < kanzure> i don't think anyone has some of the required components yet, not neough to make a laptop
11:08 < CaptHindsight> http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php  http://openlunchbox.com/
11:08 < kanzure> i suggest starting with wifi chips and stuff
11:08 < CaptHindsight> been designing them for years
11:09 < CaptHindsight> take a look and make any suggestions for features
11:09 < CaptHindsight> I need to post more detailed 3d models
11:14 < kanzure> your link goes to an empty git repository on github https://github.com/openlunchbox/openlaptop
11:14 < CaptHindsight> change to the ernie branch
11:14 < CaptHindsight> master is empty
11:15 < kanzure> osmocom is only the software implementation
11:15 < kanzure> what is the hardware?
11:16 < CaptHindsight> http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php?topic=71.0  First CPU Module Specs
11:20 < andytoshi> kanzure: i haven't seen a 64gb laptop, i haven't seen on over 16gb except mac
11:20 < andytoshi> idk what the holdup is, cpu apparently from what you wrote above
11:20 < CaptHindsight> yeah, they just don't build many
11:21 < CaptHindsight> laptops still have very high profit margins and Intel likes to limit/cripple the available features for mobile
11:22 < CaptHindsight> that is why you won't find low cost cpu's with high res displays or other features like rugged keyboards
11:23 < CaptHindsight> we have had lots of discussions on who makes what and why in laptops
11:25 < CaptHindsight> I have a lot of ideas for projects that will cross over into what many here are looking to do that I'll be posting over at openlunchbox
11:25 < kanzure> i'm not sure why you think a cpu module is what i was asking about?
11:27 < CaptHindsight> I'm having too many discussions at once, sometimes they get crossed
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11:31 < rak[1]> i recently got a Novena laptop.. and it's _AWESOME_ !
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11:32 < chris_99> oh didn't know they'd finished them
11:32 < rak[1]> chris_99: yeah buddy
11:32 < rak[1]> the laptops started shipping this month
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11:33 < rak[1]> and i am in CA which is 2 day shipping from CrowdSupply (OR)
11:33 < chris_99> cool :)
11:33 < rak[1]> =D
11:33 < rak[1]> i am stoked. i got mine last monday!
11:33 < rak[1]> got it running debian with console + X/i3wm
11:33 < rak[1]> of course, being only 32-bit ARM, you can only address ~4GB of RAM
11:34 < rak[1]> once 64-bit ARM gets in to the wild, i think things are going to change much
11:34 < chris_99> ah yeah i was wondering if you could add >4GB, but that answers that
11:34 < rak[1]> but there is spare room in the case
11:34 < rak[1]> so you can potentially shove another small embeddd computer in there
11:34 < rak[1]> thinking of shoving my Parallella in there =P
11:35 < chris_99> is it a full hd screen you've got?
11:36 < CaptHindsight> the AMD arm64 might require blobs, but other than that they are easy enough to design with
11:36  * rak[1] shakes fist at blobs
11:37 < rak[1]> i should write a movie
11:37 < rak[1]> GHOSTBUSTERS IN THE MACHINE
11:37 < rak[1]> about people fighting off blobs
11:37 < rak[1]> chris_99: 1920x1080 in console baby!
11:37 < CaptHindsight> if people want a 100% blob free laptop we can make a cpu module, but it will be an older fam10 cpu
11:37 < rak[1]> CaptHindsight: i like blobfree and personally willing to have less capabilities...
11:38 < CaptHindsight> why we made them modular
11:38 < rak[1]> niice
11:39 < CaptHindsight> same LCD, battery, keyboard, batteries etc, just use a different cpu module
11:39 < rak[1]> i am curious though, what makes openlunchbox the first "open source moudlar laptop".. does Novena not count?
11:39 < CaptHindsight> debatable that it's a laptop
11:39 < CaptHindsight> I guess the wooden version is
11:41 < CaptHindsight> we are just making it simple to swap all the parts and change screen sizes etc
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11:41 < CaptHindsight> and the files should be easy enough to follow for OEM's in China, they don't have to think, just follow
11:42 < kanzure> what about lkcl's open source laptop
11:42 < kanzure> doesn't that exist
11:43 < CaptHindsight> I tried tom help him
11:43 < CaptHindsight> tom/to
11:45 < kanzure> gimme dirt?
11:48 < rak[1]> CaptHindsight: aye aye. i do support projects like yours, i just find it interesting when people use the word `first`
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11:51 < nmz787_i> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2894509/want-32gb-of-ram-in-your-laptop-or-nuc-you-can-finally-do-it.html
11:52 < nmz787_i> seems like later this year will show 64GB consumer-grade machines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_%28microarchitecture%29#Architecture
11:55 < nmz787_i> just get a knights landing and stick it into a briefcase with an LCD and keyboard... 400GB laptop, done/
11:55 < chris_99> heh
11:56 < chris_99> nmz787_i, can i ask you a really stupid diffraction grating question, so the gratings seem to only have the property of lines / mm, what actually defines the largest wavelength they let through
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12:01 < CaptHindsight> I was kidding about a cluster/render farm backpack with clamshell display and keyboard and people actually want them
12:08 < nmz787_i> chris_99: snell's law I think... http://www.gratinglab.com/Information/Technical_Notes/TechNote4.aspx?view=print      and   http://www.richardsongratings.com/information/Technical_Notes/TechNote7.aspx?view=print
12:09 < chris_99> http://www.photonics.byu.edu/diffraction.phtml just found this, i din't realise the same wavelength will appear multiple times
12:09 < chris_99> at different positions
12:09 < nmz787_i> err, I guess snell's is just for change of carrier-density
12:10 < rak[1]> recently, i was dreaming about eye-lense-contacts that have a variable diffraction grating on them..
12:10 < rak[1]> could make for some really great fun
12:10 < nmz787_i> basically though, it's a matter how what angle a wavelength is going to reflect at (if a reflective grating) and then how closely the lines are has impact on constructivity/destructivity of nearby beams
12:11 < chris_99> so if you position the ccd too far back you'll get the wavelength multiple times right, but at some closer position it'd only appear once?
12:15 < nmz787_i> yeah, and it also depends on the focus too... some 'orders' (the groups or packets of wavelengths) may fall on a different focus or imaging plane
12:16 < chris_99> mmm yeah
12:16 < nmz787_i> bbl
12:16 < chris_99> toodles
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12:37 < kanzure> good point about briefcases, nmz787_i
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12:49 < nmz787_i> 'When a blazed grating is oriented such that its efficiency in use is high, it is said to be used "on blaze"'
12:50  * nmz787_i check out kanzures
12:50  * nmz787_i check out kanzure's typeracer scores, he's on-blaze
12:50 < nmz787_i> "code blazer"
12:52 < kanzure> "When Orlando Serrell was 10-years-old, for example, he was struck by a baseball in the left side of his head. He suddenly found he could recall countless licence plates and compute complex calendrical items, such as what day of the week a date from decades ago fell."
12:52 < nmz787_i> "Ibn Sahl's 984[1] treatise On Burning Mirrors and Lenses sets out his understanding of howcurved mirrors and lenses bend and focus light."
12:52 < kanzure> this might be a case where looking at the skull would be useful (to see the exact nature of the impact truama)
12:53 < nmz787_i> I would watch that treatise if it was on youtube
12:55 < kanzure> nmz787_i: go find this guy https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougchilders
12:56 < kanzure> "Cases of acquired savant syndrome, like that of Serrell, the boy who was struck by a baseball, prompted Snyder to search for a physiological basis for the phenomenon. The left anterior temporal lobe, above our left ear, emerged as a candidate brain region. Researchers have noted its dysfunction in autism and savant syndrome, as well as in elderly dementia cases accompanied by newfound artistic and musical abilities. (The region also ...
12:56 < kanzure> ... corresponds to the site of Serrell's boyhood trauma.)"
12:56 < kanzure> how did i misspell trauma, blah
12:59 < kanzure> http://research.dyn.com/2015/04/ipv4-address-market-takes-off/
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13:47 < kanzure> paperbot: http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002086
13:47 < kanzure> .title
13:47 < yoleaux> PLOS Biology: Open Labware: 3-D Printing Your Own Lab Equipment
13:47 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/368f446b170270c73e48b37b8b050d0d.txt
13:48 < kanzure> ah this is marzullo (from backyard brains)
13:48 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.plosbiology.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1002086&representation=PDF
13:48 < kanzure> DIY_Linear_Translational_Stage_-_Micrometer_resolution - by Musti.zip
13:49 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/782e58809cd0149e39bac12900a75869.pdf
13:49 < kanzure> Parametric_3_axis_manipulator_-_optional_servo_mounts - by T Baden.zip
13:49 < kanzure> Syringe pump 0.3ml intradermal - by siderits.zip
13:52 < cluckj> cool
13:53 < cluckj> will have to add the 3d printed stuff to my dissertation
13:53 < kanzure> cluckj: i suggest grepping through hplusroadmap logs for any thingiverse links, too
13:54 < cluckj> oh?
13:54 < kanzure> there are many 3d printed things of relevance that you are probably forgetting
13:54 < cluckj> okay
13:55 < kanzure> like adrian boyer's stuff or jordan miller's stuff
13:55 < cluckj> I'm not trying to collect everything DIY :)
13:55 < cluckj> I had totally forgotten that the lab-in-a-box that the opentrons folks made had a bunch of 3D printed parts :\
13:56 < cluckj> I was writing about it today
13:56 < kanzure> http://bioinformatics.org/pogo
13:57 < cluckj> shit
13:57 < cluckj> I'm never going to get this done
13:57 < kanzure> and what about the uh.. swiss people..
13:57 < kanzure> the um.. who was this.. wetpaint?
13:57 < cluckj> idk
13:58 < cluckj> a couple of real examples (that are in use) is all I need
13:58 < kanzure> also jonathan cline's stuff http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/date/2009/03
13:59 < kanzure> man i can't even remember the swiss group's name
14:00 < kanzure> hackteria
14:00 < cluckj> I think I met them
14:02 < cluckj> yeah....maybe it was one person visiting genspace
14:03 < kanzure> i'm not convinced that hackteria is the group i'm thinking about
14:04 < kanzure> hackteria claims it was started in 2009, whereas the thing i'm thinking of is much older
14:04 < nmz787_i> and there's that open science microscope from the UK
14:04 < kanzure> that may have been an academic project
14:04 < kanzure> (as was posam, for the record)
14:04 < nmz787_i> wasn't jordan millers also
14:05 < kanzure> true but jordan miller has lots of involvement in the reprap scene
14:05 < chris_99> open science microscope?
14:05 < cluckj> hackuarium?
14:05 < kanzure> and reprap was from adrian boyer originally anyway
14:05 < kanzure> no
14:05 < nmz787_i> chris_99: http://openlabtools.eng.cam.ac.uk/Instruments/Microscope/
14:06 < chris_99> ah interesting
14:06 < cluckj> nice
14:07 < chris_99> i just won an olympus bhm scope on fleabay :) i've been trying to work out what i need to attach my camera to it
14:10 < nmz787_i> sorry had to do this based on 'flea' being in that sentence http://makeameme.org/media/created/what-is-this-h0rx7i.jpg
14:11 < chris_99> lol
14:12 < cluckj> ugh
14:16 < nmz787_i> ascii art isn't very searchable
14:26 < rak[1]> did ya'll see the scanning electron microscope someone DIY'd?
14:27 < chris_99> krasnow's one i assume?
14:27 < rak[1]> yarp.
14:27 < rak[1]> i assumed ya'll had, but just in case..
14:28 < chris_99> it's very impressive, i love his youtube channel
14:28 < rak[1]> ah, i ahven't seen anything else from that channel, i should investigate
14:28 < rak[1]> i was /very/ excited to see soemone had just made one
14:35 < cluckj> link?
14:37 < rak[1]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdjYVF4a6iU
14:38 < nmz787_i> huh, the internet archive seems to delete/change pages
14:38 < rak[1]> nmz787_i: :O that is _not_ good
14:38 < chris_99> really?!
14:38 < chris_99> how do you know?
14:38 < nmz787_i> this page has a link to a wayback machine link, which when clicked on says it can't be found due to robots.txt
14:38 < nmz787_i>  https://www2.celestial.com/Security/iloveyou
14:39 < nmz787_i> maybe the guy pasted the link without verification, but then how would he have got that link in the first place
14:39 < chris_99> oh yeah i think they obey robots.txt
14:39 < nmz787_i> http://web.archive.org/web/20000511100453/http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q80/5/20.ASP
14:39 < nmz787_i> maybe they didn't used to?
14:39 < nmz787_i> back in 2000
14:47 < kanzure> in truth i am actually 12 lobsters in a bucket
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14:52 < nmz787_i> kanzure: actually, you're a broom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwre56HczMg
14:52 < nmz787_i> .title
14:52 < yoleaux> Man to woman to horse to broom on Family Guy - YouTube
15:00 < kanzure> no i mean,
15:00 < kanzure> .wik crab mentality
15:00 < yoleaux> "Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket, is a phrase that describes a way of thinking best described by the phrase "if I can't have it, neither can you." The metaphor refers to a pot of crabs." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
15:02 < archels> crap, who forgot to sandbox the lobster uploads?
15:08 < kanzure> blame zoidberg
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15:29 < nmz787_i> i felt pretty dumb after hours of debugging, scrutinizing schematics and board layout, resoldering capacitors, desoldering capacitors... and finally realizing there were some ENABLE and SHUTDOWN pins tied to GPIO that I simply needed to turn ON to make everything work!
15:32 < chris_99> darn
15:32 < chris_99> whatcha making
15:34 < kanzure> death ray
15:35 < chris_99> heh
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15:36 < nmz787_i> rs232 sniffer that I haven't had time to work on since like November or December
15:36 < nmz787_i> first goal is a serial mouse!
15:36 < nmz787_i> for CNC of the FIB for nano/micro milling!!!
15:37 < kanzure> got it, rs232 death ray
15:37 < nmz787_i> heck yes... gotta be factory-hardy
15:37 < chris_99> i got a salae clone thing which works pretty well but i guess you'd need to use a max232 chip to convert to ttl first
15:37 < nmz787_i> yep
15:38 < nmz787_i> i just got two rs232 converters with an arduino in between
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15:40 < nmz787_i> heh, I also screwed up on the schematics/connectivity and had the rx and tx lines hooked up backwards
15:40 < chris_99> heh oops
15:40 < nmz787_i> had to cut some PCB traces and solder re-work wires
15:41 < nmz787_i>   http://imgur.com/ZxrTJ5V
15:42 < archels> heh that switch is oldschool
15:42 < chris_99> what does that even do actually
15:42 < kanzure> ergodox http://plover.stenoknight.com/2015/04/odds-and-ends.html
15:42 < chris_99> it's got tonnes of pins on
15:42 < archels> physical (dis)engage of theRS232 lines?
15:42 < nmz787_i> the idea was to bypass the arduino completely
15:42 < nmz787_i> archels: you got it
15:43 < nmz787_i> since the FIB is such an expensive piece of equipment I wanted to be able to rip power from my board, and flip the switch to get back to 'normal mode'
15:44 < nmz787_i> I left the arduino connected though, and am only switching the mouse/modem/peripheral out of the circuit
15:44 < chris_99> do you have your own FIB machine i forget?
15:44 < nmz787_i> the idea was that I could still keep sniffing
15:44 < nmz787_i> nah, I wish
15:44 < nmz787_i> maybe kanzure will buy me one someday
15:45 < nmz787_i> there's one about 5 mins from my house that I have been learning on via a part-time job
15:45 < chris_99> ah, nice
15:45 < chris_99> what are you using it for
15:45 < nmz787_i> well, there are two... one is the good one, the other is the 'junker' that has parts taken and swapped into the 'good' one... so I can plug stuff into the 'bad' one with less fear of completely taking down their biz model
15:46 < nmz787_i> gonna start with some simple microfluidic/nanofluidic stuff
15:46 < nmz787_i> I want to try my hand at some neural electrode arrays
15:47 < nmz787_i> I think simplest thing I'll start with is a mixer thing, since that seems to be akin to 'hello world'
15:47 < kanzure> no
15:47 < kanzure> the simplest thing is an input, a long channel, and an output
15:47 < kanzure> and then pumping in colored water
15:47 < nmz787_i> or that
15:49 < nmz787_i> i already have pneumatic valves, so the second/third thing will be to try making some valves
15:49 < nmz787_i> then I will try deposition, so I can add electrodes
15:49 < chris_99> what material will you do the microfluidic stuff with
15:50 < nmz787_i> silicon to start
15:51 < chris_99> so you cut tracks in the silicon, right?, how do you add a 'lid' to contain the liquid
15:52 < nmz787_i> just slap a glass coverslip on top
15:52 < nmz787_i> or a piece of silicone slab
15:52 < nmz787_i> so this is pretty much what I've been working on, except all custom code https://youtu.be/xByn76vLts8?t=292
15:53 < nmz787_i> (for work)
15:53 < nmz787_i> (not microfluidics, but it could work for hooking them up too I guess)
15:53 < kanzure> .title
15:53 < yoleaux> OrCAD FPGA System Planner - YouTube
15:53 < kanzure> orcad has an fpga planner?
15:56 < nmz787_i> it's just pin-assignment based on rule-sets... so like 'my arduino has these pins as GPIO' and 'my humidity sensor data pin can go to any GPIO (just minimize the wire crossings while you assign)'
15:56 < kanzure> "minimize" is enough? you don't have to avoid?
15:57 < nmz787_i> minimize is enough to let humans do the rest with pretty quick results
15:58 < nmz787_i> plus boards have vias, to zig zag around
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17:14 < kanzure> http://strategicphilosophy.blogspot.com/2009/05/comics-of-transhumanist-interest.html
17:14 < kanzure> oh i see fenn has already been here.
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17:51 < nmz787> kanzure: FYI http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/giant-rabbits-photos-videos_n_7010678.html
17:52 < nmz787> 'easier' 'hop around like dogs, rather than burrow and scatter quickly'
17:53 < kanzure> but... food costs.
17:54 < nmz787> well presumably you'd make a lot more on antibodies
17:54 < kanzure> insects are because they breed like rabbits and they are super cheap (just no good way to use them as bioreactors. yet.)
17:54 < kanzure> oh
17:54 < kanzure> well okay.
17:55 < nmz787> https://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/SMT_Case_Size_Codes
17:55 < nmz787> "he 0603 and 0402 appear in both imperial and metric and can cause confusion. Best to call these out with a trailing M and point our that the units are NOT imperial."
17:56 < kanzure> also the rabbit peed on her
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21:36 < kanzure> farm stuff https://github.com/oada
21:41 < kanzure> http://thethug.life/no-blockchain-for-you/
21:43 < kanzure> hmm "Google Capital and Google Ventures are two different investments arms of Google. Google Ventures focuses a lot more on early stage companies (and makes many investments throughout the year), while Google Capital focus on later, growth stage companies. Google Capital tends to only do a few large investments each year. In ZenPayroll's case, we were honored to have strong interest from both GCap and GV, so they both invested, with GCap ...
21:43 < kanzure> ... leading."
21:45 < kanzure> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/free-software-cellular-baseband
21:46 < kanzure> "The solution to THIS problem is obvious: we need to produce a series of new phones with the same TI Calypso baseband as used by Openmoko, the only cellular baseband chipset that currently exists in the world that can run fully free, fully functional firmware as opposed to the closed and proprietary kind. (The chips themselves are still available as surplus on the Chinese markets in very large quantities.)"
21:46 < kanzure> "But we need to start small. Right now we are working toward building our first proof-of-concept modem prototype, which will simply be the modem section of Openmoko's GTA02 phone extracted and separated from the rest of the design and built on a board by itself. It'll be powered from a lab bench power supply emulating the battery and both Calypso UARTs (interfaces for programming, control and data) will be brought out on headers."
21:46 < kanzure> "We seek to replace Openmoko's triband radio front-end with a quadband one (making a GSM device anything less than quadband means that someone would have to be excluded, and we do not wish to exclude anyone), and this prototype board we currently seek to build will allow us to validate and prove our quadband design before we reuse it as a building block for more complex hardware designs approaching a final product."
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21:47 < kanzure> "We really need to use Openmoko's modem section layout as a reference for our own, i.e., we need to base our own PCB layout on a known-working reference. However, the original GTA02 PCB layout files from the golden days of Openmoko appear to have been irretrievably lost. Therefore, we need to recover the lost PCB layout by reverse engineering. There is a company in Colorado who can do just what we need - professionally recover the ...
21:47 < kanzure> ... entirety of the lost PCB layout from a sacrificial board - but it will cost about $6000."
21:47 < kanzure> "We already have most of the parts needed for the Calypso modem block, including all of the core TI chips, but there are a few more parts we need to buy from our Chinese aftermarket supplier. The anticipated cost is around $900."
21:47 < kanzure> "sing the reverse-engineered GTA02 layout as a reference, create our own layout for the standalone quadband GSM modem board we seek to build. Our own layout will be done in GNU PCB (bona fide free software EDA tool with a simple and fully documented text-based file format), and all design files will be released free to the world, so that the physical production can be done not only by us, but by anyone in the world."
21:47 < kanzure> but... why are they okay with the hte hardware being closed source?
21:47 < kanzure> *the
21:47 < kanzure> i don't really understand.
21:48 < kanzure> ftp://ftp.ifctf.org/pub/GSM/
21:49 < kanzure> "Although creating an open GSM mobile modem is an interesting technical exercise it seems to make sense ONLY if there are secure mobile networks within which to operate. Although someday that might happen alas this not even close to being the case (there are several OS SDR projects for base station/network infrastructure creation). All standardized mobile networks were created with significant influence from intel agencies and even if OS ...
21:49 < kanzure> ... SDR networks were deployed they could not be made secure if they integrated with the S7 backbone/interchange of the current networks. Even if your project manages to yield the result desired it will still be stuck in the "matrix"."
21:49 < kanzure> "A much simpler, more secure and generally useful mobile system might result from mobile devices with hardended kernals/OS' using only WiFi in conjunction with good wireless hygine to prevent data leakage, a variety of available technologies to enable secure end-to-end voice and data communications. Secure paging, to alert users who's devices are not currently connected, should even be possible by adding a RTL receiver dongle and using ...
21:49 < kanzure> ... appropriate tradecraft with existing pager networks (yes, they still exist and are used heavily by professionals (including sex workers), government and even devices calling for repair)."
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22:05 < fenn> wrt goldman sachs good or bad, i'm surprised nobody objected to the "if they donate half their income" condition
22:05 < fenn> that's a pretty big "if"
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