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07:24 < kanzure> beep
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07:41 < Adlai> bloop
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07:51 < poppingtonic> beep boop
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08:28 < heath> boom!
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08:56 < andytoshi> so, i told my crypto students not to write their term papers on bitcoin because i didn't want to read through a bunch of shit cobbled together from blockchain.info and andreas anantopolous..
08:56 < andytoshi> ...so they all wrote about quantum computing from DWave press releases and guardian articles >.<
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14:36 < kanzure> "Rats that lack the gene stathmin show no avoidance learning, or a lack of fear, and will often walk directly up to cats and be eaten.[27]"
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14:48 < kanzure> "Rats infected with the toxoplasmosis parasite become less fearful of cats, sometimes even seeking out their urine-marked areas. This behavior often leads to them being eaten by cats. The parasite then reproduces within the body of the cat. There is evidence that the parasite concentrates itself in the amygdala of infected rats.[38]"
14:49 < superkuh> pap... well, nevermind then. But sinec it is interesting regardless, http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150330/ncomms7697/full/ncomms7697.html
14:49 < kanzure> .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1690701/
14:49 < yoleaux> Fatal attraction in rats infected with Toxoplasma gondii.
14:49 < kanzure> .title http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150330/ncomms7697/full/ncomms7697.html
14:49 < yoleaux> Mechanical surface waves accompany action potential propagation : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group
14:50 < superkuh> Slowly but surely the physical side of the action potential is being acknowledged. Too bad it was delayed 60 years after discovery.
14:51  * Adlai recalls 4/20/13 when his "dude" floated the concept of THC being a toxoplasma-like subversion of the human brain
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14:55 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150330/ncomms7697/full/ncomms7697.html
14:55 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fncomms7697
14:55 < Adlai> \o/
14:55 < kanzure> well.. sorta.
14:55 < Adlai> /o\
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14:57 < kanzure> i wonder if toxoplasma gondii variants could be bred that would impart other properties on rat brain performance
14:57 < Adlai> sure, if you have a bottomless supply of rats and heartlessness
14:57 < kanzure> check and check
14:58 < Adlai> oh and you'll need some initial toxoplasmids, too
14:58 < Adlai> those may not have a scalar price on the open market
14:58 < kanzure> you could probably design a routine that would breed toxoplasmas that assist with rat maze solving
14:58 < Adlai> rat that finishes the maze, infects next batch?
14:59 < kanzure> slightly more involved
14:59 < Adlai> this doesn't even need computers, it could be weight-based
14:59 < kanzure> you would record maze solving performance
14:59 < Adlai> ok, point a phone at it
14:59 < kanzure> and then track which toxoplasma cultures are the ones that tend to impart better performance
14:59 < kanzure> why a phone?
14:59 < Adlai> s/phone/computer sold as phone/
14:59 < Adlai> complete with camera and quad/oct-core processor
14:59 < superkuh> Ah. It was on arxiv the whole time.
15:06 < kanzure> "The neurotropic parasite Toxoplasma gondii increases dopamine metabolism"
15:09 < kanzure> "Predator cat odors activate sexual arousal pathways in brains of Toxoplasma gondii infected rats"
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15:09 < Adlai> but are there any known cases of such parasites on humans?
15:09 < Adlai> this isn't ##rplusroadmap
15:10 < Adlai> rats have to envolve their own transrodentism (or rely upon Hyperdimensional Mice)
15:10 < kanzure> yes, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159113005783
15:10 < kanzure> "Almost 30% of humans present a Toxoplasma gondii positive antibody status and its prevalence increases with age. The central nervous system is the main target. However, little is known about the influence of asymptomatic i.e. latent Toxoplasmosis on cognitive functions in humans."
15:10 < AmbulatoryCortex> soo, no
15:11 < AmbulatoryCortex> the answer to his qustion is no
15:11  * Adlai is become googlefu, bot of papers: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Xn0tuIqaY_kJ:www.researchgate.net/profile/Patrick_Gajewski/publication/259251730_Toxoplasma_gondii_impairs_memory_in_infected_seniors/links/5514a0ec0cf283ee083808c5.pdf+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=il
15:12 < AmbulatoryCortex> all that is talking about is brain damage
15:12 < AmbulatoryCortex> as one might expect from a mis-targetted brain modification
15:13 < kanzure> Adlai: i suggest https://scholar.google.com/
15:13 < kanzure> "brain damage" is too ambiguous, who cares? yes it's damage but why would that matter.
15:14 < AmbulatoryCortex> because he was asking about parasites that modify behavior
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15:14 < kanzure> "Influence of latent Toxoplasma infection on human personality" http://prfdec.natur.cuni.cz/flegr/pdf/toxomodel.pdf
15:14 < kanzure> increased reaction time (not decreased)
15:14 < AmbulatoryCortex> there we go
15:14 < AmbulatoryCortex> interesting
15:15 < Adlai> kanzure: does that have volltexten?
15:16 < kanzure> "Toxoplasma-infected male students are about 3cm taller than Toxoplasma-free subjects and their faces are rated by women as more masculine and dominant. These differences may be caused by an increased concentration of testosterone. Toxoplasma also appears to be involved in the initiation of more severe forms of schizophrenia. At least 40 studies confirmed an increased prevalence of toxoplasmosis among schizophrenic patients. ...
15:16 < kanzure> ... Toxoplasma-infected schizophrenic patients differ from Toxoplasma-free schizophrenic patients by brain anatomy and by a higher intensity of the positive symptoms of the disease."
15:16  * Adlai recalls it only having citations, which are worth something, but not the real meat
15:16 < Adlai> clearly we need controlled before-and-after comparisons
15:16  * Adlai gets the ethics committee on the line
15:17 < kanzure> google scholar has more than just citations. i don't know what you mean.
15:18  * Adlai notices for the first time the [ᴘᴅꜰ] thingy in the right-hand sidebar
15:18 < Adlai> beautiful: http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/pdf/Gajewski%20et%20al.%202014%20-%20T.%20gondii%20impairs%20memory%20in%20infected%20seniors.pdf
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15:26 < dingo> reminds me that my house is on stilts along a mountainside
15:27 < kanzure> eh who has time for minor details like that
15:28 < archels> that's not very long now of you, dingo
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