--- Log opened Mon May 04 00:00:48 2015 00:02 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@195.139.18.158] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:36 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@195.139.18.158] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:37 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d75-155-236-222.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:40 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@195.139.18.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:43 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:43 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:26 -!- zadock [~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 < gene_hacker> for some reason breeding brain parasites doesn't seem like such a good idea... 01:52 -!- gene_hacker_ [~chatzilla@8-44.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 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out how to rfid tag individual ant drones 07:03 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-100-227.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:21 < kanzure> "well obviously the solution is to breed ants until they are large enough to permanently carry rfid tags, duh" 07:24 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d75-155-236-222.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Beatzebub] 07:54 -!- alusion [~alu@unaffiliated/alusion] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- alusion [~alu@unaffiliated/alusion] has left ##hplusroadmap ["WeeChat 0.4.2"] 08:15 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit 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10:00 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 10:06 < kanzure> "If the Bitcoin system could really have never changed at all, as I'd hope for in that ideal world where Bitcoin was completely isolated from political corruption, then it would have died forever in 2010 when a flaw was discovered in Bitcoin's design that allowed anyone to spend any coin. This behavior was fixed by a soft-fork change, but if we were to adopt a (insanely) principled view we might rightfully conclude that this soft-fork ... 10:06 < kanzure> ... "fix" was a form of coercive theft (to use some internet-libertarian lingo) from all those who understood the rules and preferred the infinite supply of coins. Fortunately, it seems that no such people existed (though-- again, being very principled, we shouldn't require them to speak up in order to respect their right to not have the system change out from under them) ... and practically speaking, no system operated that way would be ... 10:06 < kanzure> ... usable owing to the current impossibility of engineering something so perfect." 10:08 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:15 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:22 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-100-227.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:30 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:47 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:59 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 -!- justifier [~adam@host86-179-178-27.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 < MrHindsight> did Bitcoin ever publish the algorithm used to adjust the value of the coins based on the change of difficulty of generating them? 12:17 < MrHindsight> if they were legit I would have figured that someone in China or Taiwan would have developed ASIC's for under $1m and just cleaned up 12:17 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:17 < kanzure> MrHindsight: i suspect you are misinformed about this topic? there is nothing in the source code that controls the market price (value) of bitcoin. 12:18 < MrHindsight> was that the rumor then? I thought that as more were generated that the value would change 12:20 < MrHindsight> so what prevents a group from funding a dedicated hardware generator to just pump out bitcoins 100-1000x faster than anyone else? 12:21 < kanzure> MrHindsight: many things, but that is an extremely important question 12:21 < kanzure> i don't know which rumor you are referring to, so i'm gonna ignore that for the moment 12:22 < kanzure> the way that bitcoin prevents "fake bitcoin" is through a mechanism known as proof-of-work 12:22 < kanzure> here is a summary of proof-of-work and why it works https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8697567 12:24 < kanzure> basically the idea is to use sha256 to hash data until the resulting hash has a certain number of zeroes on the front of the string. this requires real, physical work. then there are additional rules to verify whether that work "merits" bitcoin currency rewarded to whatever public key was associated with whatever broadcast of the results of the hashing or mining work. 12:25 < kanzure> the required number of zeros is strongly related to the concept of "bitcoin mining difficulty"... the more zeroes, the more difficult. more or less. 12:26 < kanzure> every 2 weeks (ish) (actually, "every 2016 blocks" since bitcoin doesn't know what the current time is), the difficulty peg is adjusted either up or down, based on whether blocks have recently been mined faster than once per 10 minutes or slower than once per 10 minutes. this difficulty adjustment is how the network agrees on how much proof-of-work-style work has to be used to mine a valid block for the blockchain. 12:27 < kanzure> MrHindsight: hopefully this answers your question, but let me know if i can clarify anything in particular 12:28 < kanzure> when i say "hash data until the resulting hash has a certain number of zeroes on the front of the string", what i really mean is "pick a random number and then combine it with some other data, and then hash that value" of course. the random number is the important part. 12:30 < kanzure> the market price of bitcoin (like.. price charts) is entirely based on asks/bids and what people are willing to pay. 12:30 < kanzure> and what people are willing to sell at 12:31 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32 < kanzure> besides the random number, the other data includes "the hash of the previous block in the blockchain" 12:34 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@128-193-154-2.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 < kanzure> .wik flibanserin 12:49 < yoleaux> "Flibanserin (code name BIMT-17; proposed trade name Girosa) is a drug being studied as a non-hormonal treatment for pre-menopausal women with hypoactive sexual desire disorder (HSDD). Development by Boehringer Ingelheim was halted in October 2010 following a negative report by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flibanserin 12:53 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@208.83.72.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58 < nmz787_i> huh, this is interesting even though I know little about micropython, or it's downsides 12:58 < nmz787_i> https://github.com/micropython/micropython/pull/1211 12:58 < nmz787_i> .title 12:58 < yoleaux> esp8266: Add esp.espconn class by atalax · Pull Request #1211 · micropython/micropython · GitHub 12:59 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-162-186-142.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-83-110-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:04 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@unaffiliated/blueskin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:16 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@unaffiliated/blueskin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 -!- archels [charl@toad.stack.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:26 -!- archels [~neuralnet@toad.stack.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:26 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@128-193-154-2.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:29 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:30 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qsuvpwoevjzimfpx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:32 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:35 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eslcjckhzfzdgkwf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:35 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:36 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@host-37-191-195-228.lynet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:40 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:00 -!- hehelleshin is now known as helleshin 14:02 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:04 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:09 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qsbnwalqkukhshpt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 < CaptHindsight> " the difficulty peg is adjusted either up or down, based on whether blocks have recently been mined faster than once per 10 minutes or slower than once per 10 minutes. this difficulty adjustment is how the network agrees on how much proof-of-work-style work has to be used to mine a valid block for the blockchain." 14:24 < CaptHindsight> I never saw the algorithm used for this 14:24 < CaptHindsight> I never really looked for it either 14:29 < Taek> in brief: every 2016 blocks it looks at how long it took to mine the last 2016 blocks. If it took 1/2 as long as expected, it'll double the difficulty. 2x => halve the difficulty. It won't change the difficulty by more than 4x though. 14:32 < CaptHindsight> so someone could just build a dedicated machine to mine 10-100x faster and only get a 4x penalty 14:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:34 < Adlai> the only mining hardware worth using these days, was originally such hardware... the network grew organically as such hardware was brought online 14:34 < Adlai> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-ever.png 14:35 < Adlai> you can see how there were several periods of extreme growth, but the difficulty adjustment kept up 14:35 < Taek> CaptHindsight: what do you mean by 10-100x faster? such a machine would be very large and expensive, as it's competing with the cumulative speed of all machines doing bitcoin mining 14:36 < ParahSailin> quantum oracle 14:36 < CaptHindsight> according to the chart there had been more than a 4x penalty 14:37 < CaptHindsight> well I haven't had a discussion about bitcoin is couple of year, I never looked saw any of the math behind it 14:38 < CaptHindsight> and conversations always get lost in semantics 14:38 < CaptHindsight> I just figured that some group in Taiwan would just fab some ASIC's and just stay one step ahead of everyone... 14:39 < CaptHindsight> and not the bitcoin ASIC's that everyone made a fuss over a couple of years ago 14:39 < Adlai> a bunch of groups have fabbed ASICs, some mine with their own hardware, others sell it to avoid the forex risk, in the end pretty much everybody who wants to mine has an ASIC these days 14:42 < CaptHindsight> did the ASIC vendors end up making the most $ just like the pick and shovel sellers in the goldrush? 14:42 * Adlai hasn't gone over their books, but the answer seems to be positive 14:43 < Adlai> although BFL has had some, ah, trouble 14:47 < jrayhawk_> http://www.wired.com/2013/04/bitcoin-mining-rigs/ 14:47 < jrayhawk_> “The plastic packaging on the top of the chip just couldn’t exhaust the heat fast enough, so it basically melted the package.” 14:47 < jrayhawk_> best fab ever 14:49 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-48-25-153.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 < jrayhawk_> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/29/feds-butterfly-labs-mined-bitcoins-on-customers-boxes-before-shipping/ isn't "Defendants used their customers’ machines to mine Bitcoins for themselves before shipping the now-used machines to their customers" called "QA testing" 15:08 < jrayhawk_> i guess that's lawyers for you 15:37 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:46 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Merovoth 16:13 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17 -!- jrayhawk_ is now known as jrayhawk 16:31 < archels> "Hormones contain artificial estrogens that can upset your hormonal balance" 16:31 < archels> I think I've hit upon the mother lode nutrition info site 16:34 < cluckj> not my hormones 16:36 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:39 -!- abetusk_ is now known as abetusk 16:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:02 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has quit [] 17:27 < catern> not all hormons 17:43 -!- Souljack [souljack@shell.xshellz.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [] 17:59 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@2601:3:8200:11a7:306f:6097:4a4b:467f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:30 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oiaackevlyljosaf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:35 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has quit [Client Quit] 18:44 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:52 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:56 -!- poohbear [~poohbear@unaffiliated/tigger] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 18:56 -!- poohbear [~poohbear@unaffiliated/tigger] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:35 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-48-25-153.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@105.ip-167-114-152.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:58 -!- Souljack [souljack@shell.xshellz.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:07 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@105.ip-167-114-152.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:19 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qsbnwalqkukhshpt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:57 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:00 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:34 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: the only way to mine faster is to change the difficulty, really. but the network rejects blocks that were mined at too-low difficulty. 22:37 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-enhsfmjbxfmzuwev] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:40 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:07 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:14 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:30 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:40 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste ] 23:58 -!- zadock [~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue May 05 00:00:48 2015