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04:43 < chris_99> http://gizmodo.com/why-brewers-are-dna-testing-beer-for-bacterial-infectio-1707037348 seems interesting
05:07 < kanzure> beep
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06:26 < wrldpc> What does Natasha Vita More do exactly?
06:28 <@fenn> self-promotion?
06:28 <@fenn> i hear she was a big deal before the internet...
06:31 <@fenn> "Her Ph.D. thesis focused on human enhancement and radical life extension. ... In 1983, Vita-More authored the "Transhuman Manifesto"; She was the president of the Extropy Institute 2002-2006."
06:32 < kanzure> she had a television show in the 80s
06:35 <@fenn> do you know the name of the show?
06:36 < kanzure> transcenary update
06:37 < kanzure> transcentury update
06:37 < kanzure> "1987 – 1998 Producer, Transcentury UPdate, Cable TV, Los Angeles, CA and Telluride, CO" http://www.natasha.cc/cv.pdf
06:38 < kanzure> "1996 DJ Trance: Echoes From The Future, soliloquy (short) (BBC Films)"
06:38 < kanzure> "1996 Timothy Leary – a conversation, interviewer and producer (short) " hah
06:46 <@fenn> heh i love these 1980's names - Tom Morrow
06:50 < kanzure> almost all of the extropians picked new names for htemselves
06:50 <@fenn> does anyone have copies of "extropy online" or scans of the magazines? http://www.extropy.org/publications.htm
06:51 < kanzure> mark plus, max more, natasha vita-more, tom morrow, fm-2030, satoshi nakamoto, ...
06:51 < kanzure> yes the journals are over here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/
06:52 < kanzure> oh wait..
06:52 <@fenn> that's mailing list archives
06:53 < kanzure> weird. i wonder where i put this.
06:58 < eudoxia> mark plus had a blog but he made it invite-only after dale carrico started whining about him
06:58 < kanzure> there is extropy.tar.gz with scans of extropy journals
07:04 < kanzure> welp i have confirmed that my filing system is insufficient
07:04 <@fenn> seeing that it's in another user's home directory...
07:05 < kanzure> i thought i had max more's backups of extropy stuff, including conference-related files
07:05 < kanzure> ah found it
07:06 < kanzure> /media/kanzure/d6b061e2-a8d4-4d77-ada1-1c71bac557f5/backups/pikachu/extropy-thumbdrive
07:07 <@fenn> what file types is it?
07:07 < kanzure> many files
07:07 <@fenn> yeah but, is it noisy photos of the magazine laid down on a carpet?
07:07 < kanzure> nope
07:08 < kanzure> let me just separate this from my "hack all the fucking extropians aaaaaa" notes and password files, then i will upload
07:10 <@fenn> lol
07:10 <@fenn> the proactionary approach to archiving
07:10 < kanzure> indeed!
07:14 < JayDugger> kanzure, fenn, I have a few old scans of Extropy. Do you need them?
07:14 < kanzure> i am going to exclude the contents of extropians.tar.gz from this, which was included in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/
07:16 <@fenn> JayDugger: not sure what's available yet, but if there is no source file for the scans you have, then yes it would be good to save as much as we can
07:16 < kanzure> and also things from the "Extropians List Archives" folder, which includes things like http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/raided-mailing-list-archives/archives/dig917_3
07:16 < JayDugger> Let me see what I have.
07:18 < kanzure> uploading 105 MB zip file...
07:18 < kanzure> ah yes american bandwidth
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07:19 <@fenn> ah jeez this extropy.tar.gz is just photos of the covers and table of contents
07:20 < kanzure> i said scans
07:21 < kanzure> oh, incomplete scans i guess
07:22 < JayDugger> Take heart, fenn. I still haven't yet found my scans.
07:25 < kanzure> getting a solid 128 kbps over here -_-
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07:27 <@fenn> write a check to your local congressman
07:28 < kanzure> the one who believes in a wacky sky man, or the one that believes in two wacky sky men?
07:30 < JayDugger> Whichever one's cheaper.
07:32 < kanzure> fenn: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/extropy-thumbdrive.zip
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07:36 < kanzure> cool the extropian principles v2 doc is in here. was that lost?
07:37 < kanzure> ^I"You requested audience, apprentice Gorn?"
07:37 < kanzure> ^I"Yes O Great Wizard Snorrl, Lord of Galaxies, ruler of Many Worlds, King of Evolved Immortals..."
07:37 < kanzure> ^I"Enough! What can I do for you, young fellow?"
07:37 < kanzure> ^I"I'm having trouble playing God."
07:37 < kanzure> oh right, "simon! d. levy" is obviously a chosen name as well
07:38 <@fenn> it is?
07:38 < kanzure> exclamation marks do not normally appear in first names
07:38 <@fenn> i'm not sure that counts...
07:38 < kanzure> heh an article from fran finney.. nice.
07:39 < kanzure> "Fran Finney: Fran received her BS in Biology from CalTech, did some graduate work in Neuroscience at the University of California, San Diego, and is studying for a Masters in Physical Therapy at the University of Southern California."
07:39 < kanzure> "David Krieger: David is System's Librarian at RAND, Extropy's Science Editor, an Extropy Institute director, and a former Technical Consultant to Star Trek: The Next Generation."
07:40 < kanzure> ah also includes v1 of his principles
07:41 < kanzure> only had four points hehe
07:41 <@fenn> "I hope that the list software will evolve to be more than just an ordinary kill-file, but an extraordinary one. Ranking systems, market based valuation of posts, genetic algorithms and expert systems -- these are some of the things I would like to see in the future. Yes, and throw in digicash and "anonymous forwarding" too. (see my post on Cypherpunks about this. Keeping the list address and
07:41 <@fenn> list user's addresses secret for 'weathering' the statist storm until the singularity.)"
07:43 <@fenn> wow they were actually working on mailing list software?
07:46 < kanzure> i doubt it
07:46 < JayDugger> fenn, I found only bad scans of Exponent issues 15 and 16. You're better off with the source documents from that archive.
07:48 < JayDugger> There's a small chance I can dig up the raw scans I did, but I think that all happened about the time I started digitizing hard copies, and before I learned to keep raws.
07:49 < JayDugger> I found different versions of the ExI Strategic Plan and Past Present Future documents.
07:50 <@fenn> OCR'd versions are probably better anyway
07:51 < JayDugger> Generally, yes, but not the OCR I did on those.
07:53 <@fenn> lots of interesting names on that list
07:53 < JayDugger> Found Milton Friedman yet?
07:54 <@fenn> no, but "david director friedman <ddfr@midway.uchicago"
07:57 <@fenn> i'm not sure this 28MB tif photo of some chick is really necessary
07:57 < JayDugger> The italian astronomer?
07:57 <@fenn> yes
07:58 < kanzure> "Also in 1991, thanks to the efforts of Perry Metzger, the Extropians electronic mail list started up, and is now about to celebrate its first anniversary."
08:00 < kanzure> i think these guys were just better at writing tersely, and that's why this is interesting at all
08:00 <@fenn> huh cynthia kenyon was at the extro4 conference
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08:05 < JayDugger> Ha! found Foresight Institute scans, that's encouraging.
08:10 < kanzure> wikipedia and https http://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/2yjda6/wikimedia_v_nsa_wikimedia_foundation_files_suit/cpa4627
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08:18 <@fenn> looking at this "thumb drive" collection, i conclude that scans of the physical copies of extropy are still needed
08:19 <@fenn> most of the content is missing, this is just random emails and files in the process of making each magazine
08:19 < JayDugger> Good luck finding someone to read PageMaker 6.
08:19 < kanzure> look for the "Ext9Tx.txt" files
08:23 < kanzure> trying to find ecuador's digital currency api docs http://www.bce.fin.ec/
08:24 < kanzure> ah http://www.dineroelectronico.ec/
08:25 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taA0zB0l36s
08:25 < yoleaux> Apertura de cuenta de Dinero Electrónico - YouTube
08:28 < kanzure> i think you have to pay to get the sdk? http://www.dineroelectronico.ec/images/Documentos/reglamento_participantesde.pdf
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09:00 <@fenn> i wonder why they saved them all as pagemaker 4/5/6 but not pdf
09:00 <@fenn> was pdf not a thing in 1996?
09:01 <@fenn> the pagemaker file format looks very similar to pdf
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09:09 < JayDugger> fenn, I don't have hard copies any more.
09:10 < JayDugger> I'll keep looking for raw scans.
09:11 < JayDugger> There's another old NAS I'll check.
09:12 < kanzure> okay, the central bank of ecuador got back to me: "Are you have a company? this information is necessary in order to assignate commercial consultant."
09:13 <@fenn> you will be assignated
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09:13 <@fenn> when you assignate you make an ass you of out me
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09:16 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9637974
09:16 < yoleaux> Show HN: The first websynth that's 100% mappable to a MIDI controller | Hacker News
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09:21 < kanzure> nevermind
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09:53 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2yfb7e/photos_alphagrip_igrip_teardown_rebuild_video_in
09:55 < kanzure> some socks5 proxy http://shadowsocks.org/en/index.html
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09:55 < kanzure> http://www.multipath-tcp.org/
09:56 < kanzure> "MultiPath TCP (MPTCP) is an effort towards enabling the simultaneous use of several IP-addresses/interfaces by a modification of TCP that presents a regular TCP interface to applications, while in fact spreading data across several subflows."
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10:00 <@fenn> i managed to come up with an extremely terrible workflow that manages to more or less work for converting .pm5 to .pdf
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10:29 <@fenn> heh my export process improved the quality of the logo http://fennetic.net/irc/extropy/ext8_bullzip.pdf#page=52
10:29 < kanzure> can't believe adam back just burned that idea on something so trivial. quite interesting.
10:29 < kanzure> "Failed to load PDF document"
10:29 < eudoxia> f5 kanz
10:29 < eudoxia> nah it failed again
10:30 < kanzure> evince also fails
10:30 <@fenn> aah i knew it would do this
10:30 <@fenn> i was using a fake usb key that returns zeroes
10:30 < kanzure> this is all zero byte >:(
10:30 < kanzure> yes
10:31 < kanzure> is that so you never run out?
10:31 <@fenn> something like that
10:32 <@fenn> i couldn't figure out how to send it back to canada/china with tracking info for less than i paid for it
10:32 < kanzure> .title http://iopscience.iop.org/0957-4484/26/23/234001/article
10:32 < yoleaux> Amoeba-inspired nanoarchitectonic computing implemented using electrical Brownian ratchets - Abstract - Nanotechnology - IOPscience
10:34 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Amoeba-inspired%20nanoarchitectonic%20computing%20implemented%20using%20electrical%20Brownian%20ratchets.pdf
10:36 <@fenn> ok it should work now
10:37 < kanzure> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-RF-Spectrum-Analyzer-3-3GHZ-/281693721577?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41964113e9
10:37 < kanzure> ** (evince:11742): WARNING **: Error setting file metadata: No such file or directory
10:37 < kanzure> unable to read with evince.
10:37 <@fenn> what really?
10:37 < kanzure> chrome works
10:37 < kanzure> why does the extropy logo use a peanut?
10:38 < kanzure> wat "A vision of Extropia, or what if Ayn Rand had been a cyberpunk?"
10:38 <@fenn> i can read it in evince, maybe you are trying to read a copy of the all-zeroes file
10:38 <@fenn> the "peanut" is the infinity symbol
10:39 < kanzure> "Atlas sshrugged"
10:43 <@fenn> while i have all this conversion crap open, do you think it's possible you have a copy of ext7.pm5 and ext14.pm5? seems someone put a file in the wrong directory or something
10:43 < kanzure> that was everything
10:44 <@fenn> ok i will do the rest then
10:45 < kanzure> and naturally there's also the super secret technology vault
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11:04 < nmz787_i1> .title https://github.com/szczys/matrixman
11:04 < yoleaux> szczys/matrixman · GitHub
11:05 < nmz787_i1> "I actually coded most of this without the hardware in hand. To do so I wrote an emulator using SDL2. It's simply a grid of 32x32 boxes that serves as a stand-in for the SmartMatrix. The game code itself is rather complex and this really sped up development time. "
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11:07 < nmz787_i1> I wonder if the SA0314 spectrum analyzer is just an RTL-SDR or something... similar size anyway
11:08 < nmz787_i1> nickjohnson: any info on the SA0314?
11:09 < nickjohnson> nmz787_i1: I've never seen it
11:09 < nickjohnson> I stopped looking when I got my mdo3000
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12:19 < nmz787_i1> pretty good deal on tablet with 1080p screen for $180 http://outlet.lenovo.com/outlet_us/itemdetails/59RF2086/445?AID=10383968&PID=1225267&SID=81456a367ff540cfbd2adbb850d62361&CJURL=http%3A%2F%2Foutlet.lenovo.com%2Foutlet_us%2Fitemdetails%2F59RF2086%2F445%3FAID%3D10383968%26PID%3D1225267&PUBNAME=Slickdeals+LLC&NID=CJ
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13:33 < heath> https://twitter.com/klintron/status/605455231845986304
13:33 < kanzure> .tw
13:33 < yoleaux> Need a cryptography expert with familiarity with the blockchain to comment on something for me. Know anyone with time to talk today? (@klintron)
13:33 < kanzure> eh, send him my way, why not
13:34 < kanzure> (not a cryptography sexpert, though)
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14:07 < heath> augur_: http://www.cse.chalmers.se/research/group/logic/book/book.pdf
14:08 < heath> oops, nevermind i've seen this before
14:08 < heath> thought it was new for a sec
14:08 < augur_> hello what
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14:16 < nmz787_i> https://soundcloud.com/adam-dean-35
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14:21 < nmz787_i> Is Native American chanting the original, acapella form of death metal?
14:22 < chris_99> haha maybe
14:28 < augur_> koyaaaaaaaanisqatsiiiiii
14:28 < augur_> koyaaaaaaaanisqatsiiiiii
14:28 < augur_> ok i wont keep doing that, that'd be ridiculous
14:28 < augur_> gotta change it up!
14:29 < augur_> naaaqoooyqatsiiiii
14:29 < augur_> *cough* u.u
14:33 < heath> augur_: thought you were into type theory stuff as well
14:33 < heath> kanzure: figured you or someone who cares can reach out
14:34 < augur_> heath: i am, but weird channel for it :)
14:38 < jrayhawk> nmz787_i: also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QuO09z-SI
14:38 < jrayhawk> .title
14:38 < yoleaux> DEATH WHISTLE - YouTube
14:53 < archels> rofl
14:58 < nmz787_i> jrayhawk: wow!
15:00 < kanzure> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9435035.stm
15:00 < yoleaux> BBC Sport - Football - Artificial clouds could help cool 2022 Qatar World Cup
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15:11 < nmz787_i> .title http://www.cybercoders.com/computational-biologist-job-209398?posId=PT2-1214265
15:11 < yoleaux> Boston Computational Biologist - Genomics company seeking incredible Computational...
15:12 < nmz787_i> Full-time $70k - $95k    pretty bad for the area and experience required
15:17 < kanzure> science doesn't pay
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15:34 < kanzure> .title http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32811866
15:34 < yoleaux> Heavy metal: Life at the world's largest shipyard - BBC News
15:40 < kanzure> beep
15:41 < chris_99> did Breaking Bad teach you nothing kanzure, chemistry at least pays well ;)
15:46 < archels> jesus, everyone's taking over everyone else
15:47 < archels> Avago buys Broadcom
15:47 < archels> Intel buys Altera
15:47 < archels> NXP buys Qualcomm
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15:48 < archels> oh and then NXP sold off its RF unit to Freescale, which itself is being taken over, or something
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16:37 < delinquentme> I bought a pentium II
16:37 < yoleaux> 28 May 2015 02:17Z <kanzure> delinquentme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzEyvg2rqf0
16:37 < delinquentme> kinda big investment.
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17:03 < ParahSailin> crap, friends graduating sucks
17:03 < ParahSailin> now i need a new ezproxy account
17:06 < wrldpc> Does anyone use Augur, Recorded Future, or Palantir?  Are those things different?  http://www.augur.net/
17:06 < wrldpc> .site http://www.augur.net/
17:06 < augur_> please dont use me :(
17:06 < wrldpc> .title http://www.augur.net/
17:06 < yoleaux> Augur Project
17:06 < wrldpc> lol thanks yoleaux
17:07 < wrldpc> lol augur
17:07 < delinquentme> kanzure, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8dpju-nupU
17:07 < kanzure> ParahSailin: noted, i will hook you up soon
17:07 < kanzure> .title
17:07 < yoleaux> Nitro Fun - New Game - YouTube
17:07 < augur_> I am not a predictions market, I am a FREE MAN!!!
17:07 < kanzure> typical libertarian
17:08 < augur_> damnit, kanzure, it was a prisoner reference
17:08 < kanzure> hm
17:08 < augur_> "I am not a number, I am a free man!"
17:08 < augur_> famous line from the show
17:08 < maaku> does augur even work? is it convergent?
17:08 < kanzure> i am probably provably expressable as some whole integer
17:09 < augur_> kanzure: but not a wholesome integer
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17:10 < delinquentme> i c0ed in the klub
17:10 -!- augur is now known as augur[not-dot-ne
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17:12 < augur[notdotnet]> when c0eds in klub mah pop() 'em like its hooot pop() 'em like its hooot pop() 'em like its hot
17:13 < augur[notdotnet]> when the tables get an attitude, DROP 'em like its hooot DROP 'em like its hooot DROP 'em like its hoot
17:14 < augur[notdotnet]> ((i cant continue doing this forever, i dont really know the song, someone please take over for me))
17:14 < delinquentme> augur[notdotnet], nah youre doing well.
17:15 < augur[notdotnet]> nick augur
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17:15 < augur> :|
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17:33 < ParahSailin> oh wait, i work for affymetrix now and we have a human librarian to fetch papers
17:34 < kanzure> that sounds awful man
17:35 < ParahSailin> only takes about a week for a ticket to get answered for pretty much anything
17:36 < kanzure> you didn't laugh at my "cyberpunk ayn rand" joke earlier :-(
17:40 < ParahSailin> been afk with woman in labor
17:42 < kanzure> well tell her to stop there are important ayn rand jokes being made
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18:34 < ryankarason> cyberpunk ayn rand.. that sounds massively scary
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18:34 <@fenn> ok i finally finished converting the extropy pagemaker files to pdf, they were missing a lot of images and fonts and i had to fix a lot. the pm7 files probably won't work unless they are in the same directory as the original pm5 files, and even then most of the images are gone. anyway the pdf files should at least be readable, if not let me know: http://fennetic.net/irc/extropy/
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18:54 < kanzure> fenn: you should also include your conversion scripts
18:58 < kanzure> hmm page 18 has some epistemology stuff http://fennetic.net/irc/extropy/ext8.pdf
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18:59 < kanzure> hal finney "Protecting privacy with electronic cash" http://fennetic.net/irc/extropy/ext10_1.pdf
19:01 <@fenn> there are no scripts :(
19:02 < JayDugger> How did you make the conversions?
19:02 <@fenn> this was just awful windows hell of clicking on things and saving multiple versions of files and making irreversible changes
19:03 < JayDugger> Thank you for doing the work.
19:03 <@fenn> i found a copy of an old free trial of pagemaker 7 (which is no longer available for purchase or download from adobe)
19:04 <@fenn> well it was worth it i think, the content in these is amazingly on-topic and way ahead of its time
19:07 <@fenn> i'm not sure why humanity needs so many different fonts
19:09 <@fenn> i was surprised to see the essay about seasteading and electrodeposition of calcium carbonate as a building material BEFORE the book review of "the millennial project"
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19:11 < JayDugger> Before? What year did you see it?
19:12 < JayDugger> TMP was 1993, IIRC.
19:12 < kanzure> tmp like tsin was probably mostly taken from extropy content
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19:12 < JayDugger> It had been mentioned much earlier in, of all things, Mother Earth News, around 1982.
19:13 < kanzure> eww let me guess you're a thewell.com user
19:13 < JayDugger> Nope.
19:13 < JayDugger> My grandfather had a subscription.
19:15 < JayDugger> I suspect TMP and Extropy both had common prior influences, such as O'Neill's The High Frontier, its surround literature, and possibly Patrick Gunkel.
19:17 <@fenn> ah it was 1994 http://fennetic.net/irc/extropy/ext12.pdf#page=5
19:18 <@fenn> i don't see the connection to patrick gunkel?
19:18 <@fenn> oh, hrm. "Patrick Gunkel's 1975 book, “The Future of Space”, was a comprehensive space futurism study produced at the Hudson Institute. "
19:19 < JayDugger> Yup. you got it.
19:19 < JayDugger> I never succeeded in tracking him down, but I did find that.
19:20 <@fenn> .wik topopolis
19:20 < yoleaux> "A topopolis is a tube-like space habitat, rotating to produce artificial gravity via centrifugal force on the inner surface, which is extended into a loop around the local star. Topopoles can be looped several times around the local star, in a geometric figure known as a torus knot." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topopolis
19:31 < kanzure> i suspect that the only reason why this seems high quality is because nobody has tried to put together anything better
19:31 < kanzure> personally i think that hplusroadmap is often higher signal
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19:33 < JayDugger> Novelty counts for a lot.
19:34  * kanzure farts
19:35 < JayDugger> From the to-read list: http://www.patrickmccray.com/visioneers/, whose sources list Stanford University’s Department of Special Collections
19:36 < JayDugger> Stanford's library might have a lot of the sources from which Extropy drew.
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19:36 <@fenn> is moravec's brain preserved there?
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19:38 < JayDugger> Not yet, and I think Carnegie-Mellon has first dibs.
19:38 < JayDugger> https://library.stanford.edu/collections
19:41 <@fenn> john mccarthy wrote a lot of stuff that probably influenced them
19:41 <@fenn> i know he was friends with julian simon and hans moravec
19:41 < kanzure> someone should dump hplusroadmap logs into a two-column format and call it a magazine
19:41 < kanzure> freaking magazines are the bane of my existence at this point, ugh
19:41 <@fenn> heh i agree
19:42 <@fenn> it's just fonts and copypasta with abit of editing
19:42 < kanzure> internet's just different i think
19:42 < kanzure> nobody sends thoughtful email like that anymore
19:42 < kanzure> maybe they had an editor that sent their emails back until they looked good
19:43 <@fenn> no i've been reading old emails from various places and it's all pretty well written
19:43 < kanzure> but.. how can that be?
19:43 < kanzure> maybe it's the line widths
19:44 <@fenn> selection bias; anyone who had access to email at the time was super smart and educated and had proven they could write well enough to get a doctorate or similar
19:44 < kanzure> wasn't the mailing list paid-only at that point
19:44 < kanzure> and then after becoming nonpaid some of the regulars stuck around, until they either died or were sufficiently diluted
19:45 <@fenn> i didn't know there was a monetary cost associated with subscribing.. anyway i was talking about other historical things like the SF-lovers mailing list
19:45 <@fenn> which oddly has many of the same people
19:46 < kanzure> well the internet was only like 60 people at the time, right?
19:47 < kanzure> not sure how you were unaware of the paid aspect. that's why these were so hard to get.
19:47 <@fenn> omg wtf happened to internet archive
19:47 <@fenn> they tunted it all up
19:47 <@fenn> 'This item appears to not have any files that we can let you "experience" (like watching a video or viewing images) in this area.
19:47 <@fenn> We suggest you try the [DOWNLOAD OPTIONS] area to the right below to see if there are any files you would like to try to use or download.'
19:47 <@fenn> THANKS GUYS
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19:49 < kanzure> .wa number of internet users in 1991
19:49 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.wa) crashed.
19:53 < kanzure> 16 million users in 1995, 36 million in 1996, 70 million in 1997, 147 million in 1998, 248 million in 1999
19:54 < kanzure> so perhaps: ~200k in 1990, ~500k in 1991, ~1.5 million in 1992, 4 million in 1993, 8 million in 1994
19:54 <@fenn> hrm i don't think you can extrapolate backwards like that
19:54 < kanzure> i suspect that in low populations it is easier for high signal to find itself
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19:56 < kanzure> i guess nobody was tracking this shit
19:59 <@fenn> jeez only 130 views? this is THE FIRST MAILING LIST EVER https://archive.org/details/SFLoversDigestArchive
20:00 < kanzure> .wa internet users in 1991
20:00 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.wa) crashed.
20:15 <@fenn> i wonder what it means when i read things 20+ years old that are immediately doable and are what i'm currently thinking about but nobody has ever even tried to work on them
20:15 < kanzure> 20:00 <+kanzure> .wa internet users in 1991
20:15 < kanzure> 20:00 <+saxo> all countries, dependencies, and territories: internet usage: 1991 = , (internet users in thousands of people); all countries, dependencies, and territories: internet usage: 1991; total: 4.256 million people,
20:16 <@fenn> well that's wrong
20:16 <@fenn> "," may be the more accurate answer, if it's measured in thousands
20:17 < kanzure> "based on 205 values; 35 unavailable"
20:17 < kanzure> 20:17 <+kanzure> .wa internet users in 1990
20:17 < kanzure> 20:17 <+saxo> all countries, dependencies, and territories: internet usage: 1990 = , (internet users in thousands of people); all countries, dependencies, and territories: internet usage: 1990; total: 2.6 million people
20:17 <@fenn> whaaat
20:18 < kanzure> 20:17 <+kanzure> .wa internet users in 1989
20:18 < kanzure> 20:18 <+saxo> all countries, dependencies, and territories: internet usage: 1989 = all countries, dependencies, and territories: internet usage: 1989; 1: Togo: 0 people, 2: Thailand: 0 people, 3: Syria: 0 people, 4: Nepal: 0 people, 5: Maldives: 0 people, 6: Grenada: 0 people, 7: Burundi: 0 people, 8: Botswana: 0 people, (1989 estimates), (based on 8 values; 232 unavailable)
20:18 < kanzure> i'm almost completely certain this is wrong
20:19 < kanzure> 20:19 <+kanzure> .wa usenet users in 1990
20:19 < kanzure> 20:19 <+saxo> Sorry, no results
20:19 < kanzure> useless!
20:20 <@fenn> hmm ok there were 100,000 hosts (connected to ARPANET presumably) in 1989
20:21 < kanzure> 2.6 million is a bunch.
20:21 <@fenn> i guess it comes down to how you define a user
20:22 < kanzure> can't we just take the sum of the number of unique usenet nyms
20:24 < kanzure> also i'm not sure what to do with this data
20:24 <@fenn> .title http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1217.html
20:24 < yoleaux> RFC 1217 - Memo from the Consortium for Slow Commotion Research (RFC1217)
20:25 < kanzure> i have recently become fascinated by high latency network designs
20:25 < kanzure> i think a very high latency transhumanist mailing list would be interesting, especially if people were encouraged (forced) to edit their emails before acceptance
20:26 < kanzure> delay would get exponentially worse with the amount of traffic or something
20:27 < kanzure> if something is worth saying then it is worth saying it slowly
20:28 < kanzure> also i am still amused by the xentrac email in those extropian archives
20:28 < kanzure> apparently out of the 2.6 million users wandering around on the internet, xentrac was one of them and he stumbled into the transhumanist tar pit heh
20:29 < kanzure> and not only that, it was him making an error, absolutely hilarious
20:37 <@fenn> how did you even find that
20:49 < kanzure> well you see i just decided that i wanted to read all of the emails
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21:41 < nmz787_i> jrayhawk: clicking hard drive after seemingly OK spinup solutions? I read about freezing possibly helping to fix a bearing issue... but I don't have a drive to copy to at the moment
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23:39 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/rpcblockchainexplorer
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23:58 < jrayhawk> nmz787_i1: clicking is usually a failure to unpark; i have occasionally found drives that fail to unpark, like, 95 percent of the time and you can just brute-force them back to life, but they're pretty rare.
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23:58 < jrayhawk> reorientation might also help
23:59 < jrayhawk> usually in this sort of situation i recommend just buying an identical model off of ebay and using a steam room to swap platters and boards over.
23:59 < jrayhawk> Steam will knock out all the dust.
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