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02:17 < archels> .g "silicon slurp"
02:17 < yoleaux> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/09/the_great_silicon_slurp_of_2015_continues_atmel_next_on_the_shopping_block/
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05:50 < kanzure> hm
05:51 < JayDugger> Harumph.
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06:04 < kanzure> 18:14 < ajweiss> for example: a paper in nature or science is estimated to be worth just over a million in grant funds
06:09 < kanzure> [off] nsh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DqV1xdf-Y
06:11 < nsh> [off] .t
06:12 < nsh> :)
06:12 < kanzure> wrong channel
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07:31 < kanzure> sens foundation conference is august 19-21 in san francisco http://sens.org/outreach/rejuvenation-biotechnology-conference-2015
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08:33 < heath> hm..
08:33 < heath> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN3riAVSQKc&feature=youtu.be&t=125
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09:20 < eudoxia> heh just ran into eleitl randomly going into r/hyperboria https://wr.reddit.com/r/hyperboria/comments/33cqfy/looking_for_peers/
09:22 < kanzure> you should heckle him and tell him to come back to us
09:23 < eudoxia> hmm
09:24 < eudoxia> maybe
09:38 < archels> also ask him if the lobsters are sentient yet
09:38 < archels> er, I mean L. stagnalis
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09:51 < maaku> hrm $400 is pricey
09:51 < kanzure> just show up and walk in
09:57 < dingo> hello scientificly minded friends, i'm writing some documentation, thought you might help me with a missing term. I'm discussing relationships of birth, just a graph tree, but i want to describe the "bootstrap" node, the first node from which all subsequent nodes are born -- however i refraim from using term "root node" because once the system is complete, root is no longer part of the mechanism, he is a "bootstrap" node only
09:58 < dingo> is there a biological / generation like term that describes this?
09:58 < dingo> it would be like the egg of a chicken... after its birth, the eggshell remains, we call both states an egg, just one is cracked
09:59 < kanzure> http://patents.stackexchange.com/questions/10656/did-the-soviets-do-patents
09:59 < kanzure> http://patentdb.su/
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10:24 < ParahSailin> wait how did i not notice before that tmux allows sharing
10:24 < maaku> by the way .su is the most awesome domain ever. how do I register root.su?
10:25 < kanzure> you might have to become commrade maaku
10:25 < maaku> these are sacrifices i am willing to make
10:27 < eudoxia> huh i thought they'd closed the domain after the fall of the soviet union
10:29 < kanzure> dingo: embryonic? colonizer?
10:29 < kanzure> incubator?
10:29 < dingo> nice, incubator
10:29 < dingo> thanks !!
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10:33 < kanzure> dingo: seed?
10:50 < kanzure> http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/pharaohs-silicon-valley-my-journey-through-google--2618
10:50 < kanzure> "He leads me to another part of the laboratory where, he says, the company’s top researchers work on the highest-priority sins. It dawns on me that I haven’t felt this level of enthusiasm since finally getting my femur removed."
10:59 < kanzure> https://securelist.com/files/2015/06/The_Mystery_of_Duqu_2_0_a_sophisticated_cyberespionage_actor_returns.pdf
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11:16 < jrayhawk> dingo: 'eve' and 'adam' are common
11:17 < jrayhawk> e.g. "mitochondrial eve"
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11:36 < kanzure> http://blog.circleci.com/its-the-future/
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13:36 < kanzure> "1 mm thick tissue slice taken from human cadavers, stored in liquid nitrogen for months: all showed growth in culture after thawing. Tissues were: ovary, pituitary, thymus, kidney, etc.(6) "
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13:59 < kanzure> .g lexicase selection
13:59 < yoleaux> http://faculty.hampshire.edu/lspector/pubs/wk09p4-spector.pdf
14:03 < kanzure> you could include implants throughout the body to make the body warm up more evenly
14:03 < kanzure> i suppose thermal shaping could also be used but that's crazytalk
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14:55 < eudoxia> haha, i was reading this thread https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/openmanufacturing/NEDOL4dcEEM/ZPOk0MCbD3cJ
14:56 < eudoxia> and the mensheds.com.au site turned into some kind of PUA site
14:56 < eudoxia> i guess i shouldn't be surprise
14:56 < eudoxia> surprised*
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15:07 < fenn> dingo: last universal common ancestor? (LUCA)
15:07 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Universal_Common_Ancestor
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15:17 < maaku> LUCA is descended from Chuck Norris.
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15:42 < kanzure> "On behalf of Cyagen, we are announcing a special price of $25,780 (USD) to develop a conditional knockout mouse. This offer lasts until June 30th."
15:43 < kanzure> "This offer includes an entire conditional gene knockout project from initial strategy design and DNA vector construction to knockout animal delivery. Cyagen's turnaround time is the shortest in the industry and they fully guarantee the generation of animals or your money back."
15:45 < kanzure> https://www.scienceexchange.com/labs/cyagen-biosciences
15:45 < kanzure> https://scienceexchange.imgix.net/facility_photos/jvbQOlRdSwqfTSqDwaCT_cyagen2.jpg?fit=crop&h=400&w=652
15:46 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://scienceexchange.imgix.net/*
15:49 < kanzure> wait why is eudoxia reading old openmanufacturing emails
15:49 < eudoxia> i ran into http://heybryan.org/om.html
15:50 < eudoxia> i'm considering writing a blog post summarizing the movement like the useless extropian i am internally
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15:52 < eudoxia> also kanz i just had an skdb-related thought
15:52 < eudoxia> a way to smooth out the virtual/real life barrier
15:53 < eudoxia> give skdb pluggable interfaces like, a generic controller for a 3d printer, a laser sintering machine, a mechanical arm
15:53 < eudoxia> (something a bit higher level than g-code)
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15:53 < eudoxia> possibly exposed over HTTP since it's universal
15:53 < eudoxia> or maybe the interface would be just commands in YAML files
15:54 < eudoxia> anyways, the idea is you add plugins to skdb to control different varieties of machinery
15:54 < eudoxia> package.yaml files might require these plugins, download them and install them to skdb, and then have commands (which would basically be yaml objects) to operate them
15:55 < eudoxia> like { command: 3dprinter.pipe, text: "...gcode..." }
16:01 < eudoxia> and folks could add multiple backends to each plugin, so the "universal lathe interface" works with all kinds of electronically operated lathes
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16:04 < kanzure> to some approximation telling people to run linuxcnc everywhere does that already
16:05 < kanzure> but yes there needs to be firmware and software that gets inserted into anything programmable
16:05 < eudoxia> this is the opposite approach, however
16:06 < eudoxia> rather than "pls get this universally usable software into your cnc machine"
16:06 < eudoxia> it's you bring skdb along and it brings its interfaces along
16:06 < kanzure> those two things sound the same
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16:07 < eudoxia> they do but they aren't quite the same
16:07 < eudoxia> consider this
16:07 < eudoxia> you rent cnc machine time (does that exist?) in a shop somewhere and it has to be accessed remotely
16:08 < eudoxia> in scenario one you have to ask or hope the machine shop owners have installed linuxcnc into the machine
16:08 < eudoxia> here, you just let skdb interface with it without modifying the machine
16:08 < eudoxia> ie the difference is where the universal interface is: on the machine or on skdb
16:09 < eudoxia> the problem with hoping everyone will use a common-denominator cnc machine api on every cnc machine is that they all have different capabilities, and ofc competing standards compete for a reason
16:09 < eudoxia> by putting the task of building the universal api on the side of skdb you don't have to trust the people who own the machines to keep them open
16:09 < eudoxia> in terms of machine usability/interfaceabilit
16:12 < kanzure> most of the default software on industrial equipment is incredibly lame and useless
16:13 < eudoxia> mhm i guessed
16:13 < kanzure> things are not designed to let you just ssh in and pass some bits into the stepper driver
16:14 < eudoxia> hm you're right
16:14 < eudoxia> maybe remote was a bad analogy
16:14 < eudoxia> s/analogy/example
16:15 < fenn> the machine-specific translation step is already done widely with most cam programs, it's called "post processor"
16:16 < fenn> i happen to think this is a stupid name, but that's what it's called
16:17 < fenn> it's mostly to deal with the unholy number of nearly-identical-but-not-quite g-code dialects
16:18 < fenn> anyway, nobody will let you run arbitrary g-code on their cnc machine, it has to be a part design and their guys do the cam step
16:18 < fenn> otherwise you could include movements that would damage the machine
16:21 < redlegion> eudoxia a lot of cnc time rental is informal and between associates
16:21 < eudoxia> i see
16:21 < redlegion> Not sure how many people would allow just anyone to smash a spindle into work holding
16:22 < eudoxia> well, i could imagine something like a g-code simulator that ensures the code won't destroy the machine
16:22 < eudoxia> of course, imagining is the furthest step from doing things :)
16:22 < redlegion> That would help immensely so long as touching off tools isn't necessary
16:22 < kanzure> program analysis like that is pretty difficult
16:23 < kanzure> also i strongly regret skdb being a monolithic thing
16:24 < kanzure> hard problems should be solved more separately instead of batched together into even larger problems
16:24 < maaku> kanzure: we do things that complex routinely in software code checkers
16:24 < maaku> not easy, but not unheard of
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16:25 < kanzure> yes but solving a hard problem by saying "and here we do an even harder thing" is not okay....
16:25 < kanzure> er.. i mean replacing it with a.. anyway it's not important.
16:26 < kanzure> i see that as a task on the order of "check for malware and also check for anything that is correct operation but might theoretically cause harm to the machine or its environment or operators"
16:31 < eudoxia> well then i guess people will have to follow the general advice of not running untrusted stuff
16:35 < kanzure> hmm someone should convince me to upload my artificial intelligence notes at some point
16:36 < eudoxia> do it kanz
16:36 < fenn> kanzure: upload your artificial intelligence notes
16:36 < eudoxia> if you haven't the time to build an AGI maybe one of us will
16:37 < fenn> it will be of great historical amusement
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16:48 < kanzure> but if i upload notes then i'm going to feel like i have to censor myself when writing notes in the future
16:51 < Drethelin> what are you censoring?
16:51 < Drethelin> are your notes full of f bombs
16:51 < redlegion> Do you draw lude images in the margins?
16:52 < redlegion> Lewd, lol, man I'm too tired to exist.
17:03 < kanzure> i would be willing to share the notes privately i guess
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17:27 < kanzure> huh there's a lot of good stuff in here
17:28 < fenn> hah privacy for yourself
17:29 < kanzure> i mean let's see you dorks post 10 years of stream-of-consciousness text
17:29 < kanzure> i don't see that happening, nyeh
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17:50 < maaku> kanzure: i'd be interested ;)
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17:58 < kanzure> i only ask that you all realize that these are notes that are unfiltered and that i thought i would never release
17:59 < kanzure> and that i write down questions that sometimes i already know the answer to, because the question itself is interesting
17:59 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/notes.txt
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18:27 < fenn> regarding AI, here's a thing i am putting off reading, http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/  "the unreasonable effectiveness of recurrent neural networks"
18:27 < fenn> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9584325
18:27 < yoleaux> The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Recurrent Neural Networks | Hacker News
18:28 < kanzure> maaku: fenn: did you get the file because i'm deleting it
18:29 < fenn> yes
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18:32 < kanzure> obviously my interest in that topic is not from the machine learning direction at all
18:33 < ebowden_> What is your interest?
18:35 < kanzure> ugh
18:35 < kanzure> see this is why i don't give you people these files
18:36 < ebowden_> You don't like answering questions?
18:36 < kanzure> i think you ask poor questions
18:37 < kanzure> and it is difficult to take you seriously; weren't you the person that asked me about "real pokemon"?
18:37 < ebowden_> No.
18:37 < kanzure> hmm
18:37 < ebowden_> From what I know about pokemon, I don't think that's even possible for most of them.
18:37 < kanzure> well anyway, it should be obvious that machine learning is not the goal of human-like cognitive ability
18:38 < fenn> i don't see why you're being so shy about this, it's mostly stuff you've mused about in here at some point and bibliographic references/copypasta
18:39 < kanzure> because i know one of you assholes is going to latch on to something i wrote down that was unfiltered and i am going to have to defend why someone would write down something he already knew an answer to
18:39 < kanzure> and it will be a big, boring mess
18:39 < ebowden_> You may be experiencing cognitive decline, I've never even talked about pokemon in this channel, and I almost never talk about them elsewhere.
18:41 < ebowden_> I hope LMTX turns out to be effective.
18:43 < kanzure> well i am also sensitive to questions that seem very broad and overly general, i suppose
18:43 < kanzure> and sometimes this includes leading questions
18:43 < ebowden_> Leading to what? The terrifying reality that your brain is slowly shrivelling?
18:44 < fenn> terrifying
18:44 < kanzure> ugh
18:44 < kanzure> ebowden_: no, a "leading question".
18:45 < kanzure> ah and it was alusion that said it
18:45 < ebowden_> Kanzure, I know. I was being unnecessarily mean.
18:45 < ebowden_> Cognitive decline is often not funny. Sorry.
18:46 < kanzure> you can't seriously be this stupid
18:46 < kanzure> how would anyone reading the above messages think that a leading question has anything to do with cognitive decline?
18:46 < ebowden_> I know what a leading question is, and that you were not talking about cognitive decline.
18:46 < kanzure> alright
18:47 < ebowden_> I was being facetious.
18:48 < ebowden_> It occurs to me that almost no one who has called me that used the word properly.
18:49 < ebowden_> Kanzure, real life Pokemon: Paint animals and make them fight.
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19:06 < redlegion> It's funny how people call pokemon cute, but two pitbulls tearing at each other's throats isn't as cute as a squirtle spitting on a charmander.
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19:10 < Drethelin> it's funny how a children's cartoon designed to be cute, but two real animals violently attacking each other isn't as cute as a cartoon squirting water at another cartoon
19:11 < kanzure> what's wrong with pitbull fights, again?
19:16 < fenn> quick, somebody call an ethicist
19:16  * fenn has a moral panic
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19:22 < fenn> "How would an ai safely store bitcoin? virtualization is unsafe because the operators of the cloud infrastructure can simply steal the private keys" this creates a drive toward owning your substrate, which essentially means preventing others' access to the hardware that runs you
19:22 < fenn> also something about defense in depth
19:25 < fenn> i'm not sure i believe that homomorphic encryption can actually work
19:26 < fenn> a node that detects it is being compromised can self-destruct or randomize its secret key
19:36 < fenn> there are hard drives with compromised firmware that can detect irregular access patterns, i.e. a forensic investigator using dd to try to copy the entire disk, or the power suddenly being turned off (there would still be enough juice left in the capacitors to do a few erasures)
19:36 < fenn> special firmware
19:37 < ebowden_> Moral panics are the best panics.
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20:35 < kanzure> well you can shard private key data across multiple instances on different hardware
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23:40 < maaku> kanzure: i didn't, but oh well
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