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06:52 < kanzure> https://torrentfreak.com/libgen-goes-down-as-legal-pressure-mounts-150622/
06:58 < kanzure> 06:57 < lmatteis> you can move stars!?
06:58 < kanzure> 06:58 < kanzure> ... duh?
07:06 < cluckj> :< poor libgen
07:26 < cluckj> :< poor everyone
07:32 < kanzure> indeed
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08:06 < archels> NY court? I thought libgen was being hosted in eastern Europe/Russia
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08:42 < ahab> libgen...sounds amazing...I wonder why I always hear about these sites after they go down...
08:42 < ahab> hello kanzure, what's new?
08:43 < kanzure> trying to abduct a chemist
08:43 < ahab> surely, you can find a willing participant?
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08:48 < kanzure> "brush electroplating" http://3dprint.com/47065/argentinian-3d-metal-printer/
08:49 < kanzure> ahab: haven't found one yet, still looking, would appreciate help
08:50 < kanzure> https://www.replicatingrobots.org/we-should-do-this-instead-of-building-a-space-elevator/
08:50 < kanzure> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hypervelocity_Landing_Track
08:51 < kanzure> "rheobrake" https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Space_Transport_and_Engineering_Methods/External_Interaction_Methods#76_Rheobrake
08:51 < ahab> kanzure, I can build that 3D printer...just need the 3D printer...I was planning on getting one later this year.
08:51 < kanzure> luke parrish might be danielravennest/datapackrat. not sure.
08:53 < JayDugger> I don't remember that from Kingsbury's book.
08:55 < JayDugger> I remember this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain
08:57 < JayDugger> I think Parrish has the reference wrong, but I read that a long time ago.
09:01 < kanzure> .wik space fountain
09:01 < yoleaux> "A space fountain is a proposed form of structure extending into space that, like a space elevator, can extend to geostationary orbit, but does not rely on tensile strength for support. In contrast to the space elevator design, a space fountain is a tremendously tall tower extending up from the ground." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain
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09:11 < FourFire> kanzure, there's some chemists who work down the hall from me
09:12 < FourFire> I've established some dialogue with them (and caused them to look at me funny)
09:12 < FourFire> if you'd care to state an example problem, I might convey it to them and ask them about it...
09:12 < FourFire> I mean, I'd be willing to help.
09:13 < FourFire> Unfortunately I, personally haven't done anything more than scrape a C in Highschool chemistry :(
09:16 < kanzure> FourFire: general material compatibility for all reactions here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/ and also linker chemistry for solid supports, and also cleaving and relinking.
09:16 < kanzure> thanks
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09:18 < FourFire> Cool, I'll talk to them next time I see them
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10:50 < kanzure> "most people use only 10% of their brain [sic], but i on the other hand use 10% of everyone else's brain"
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10:59 < ryankarason> :o.. theif!
11:00 < ryankarason> ... i just discovered PubChem..
11:00 < ryankarason> =D
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11:26 < kanzure> ryankarason: perhaps you would also be entertained to learn about pubmed and pubmedcentral?
11:27 < kanzure> wait, chemistry, right. uh. chemspider?
11:27 < ryankarason> chemspider, eh ? awesome
11:27 < ryankarason> and here i thought the world was a sad place!
11:27 < ryankarason> thank you:)!
11:28 < ryankarason> i recently heard about pubmed too in a TedTalk, but i haven't checked it out.. thank you
11:28 < ryankarason> me and a friend were talking the other day about trying to start a distributed database of free knowledge of acedemic papers.. hopefully through something like IPFS
11:29 < ryankarason> but the problem is getting certified people to peer review.. as my friend made clear.. the current institutions have such a vested interested in the status quo.. not really sure how to find people that have qualifications.. but want to see knowledge be freed..
11:31 < ryankarason> what is the difference between pubmed and pubmedcentral?
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11:34 < kanzure> lolz page 39 http://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf
11:35 < kanzure> ryankarason: pubmedcentral had the requirement that all papers were available for download, i think. iirc pubmedcentral was deprecated a while ago though, and folded into pubmed? i forget.
11:36 < kanzure> ryankarason: distributing papers through ipfs (or any other mechanism) is very different from requiring peer review. why would whether you use ipfs or any other file sharing mechanism influence whether a paper has been peer reviewed....?
11:37 < ryankarason> sorry.. it was kinda two seperate issues
11:37 < ryankarason> i want to help produce a peer reviewing system for papers that are "free/open" and use IPFS as a means for distribution.
11:38 < ryankarason> have a central database likely of verified hashes
11:49 < kanzure> i am disappointed that the only main options we have are "human-readable papers" and "some sort of machine-readable format but nobody knows how to make it and nobody knows how to convince everyone to write it" as a way to organize scientific progress. both options are pretty sucky.
11:50 < kanzure> and hypercard-on-steroids (xanadu) is not a reasonable solution either
11:51 < kanzure> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/07/copyright-office-belongs-library
11:52 < kanzure> (unrelated)
11:53 < kanzure> unfortunately i think the only ideas we have had in the history of science for ways to reorganize science was lame stuff like leibniz's "TURN EVERYTHING INTO MONADS" and recursive mirrors within mirrors or something. which is utterly useless unless you're jorge luis borges.
11:53 < kanzure> cc nsh
11:58 < kanzure> ah, characteristica universalis and calculus ratiocinator and his mechanical implementation of a world wide web.
11:58 < kanzure> but i'm not convinced that there's a productive way to convince everyone to convert all of their scientific work into a conlang
12:01 < kanzure> i guess there's the "constructor theory" approach, where you encode most things as a graph transformation mechanism http://constructortheory.org/
12:14 < ryankarason> well.. let's continue to discuss an intermediate solution.. :) ..i wish to use my efforts to upset the current balance because when i do the math.. the current end result is doom.
12:14 < kanzure> i'm not convinced that ipfs is the missing ingredient that will suddenly convince everyone to upload all papers ever
12:14 < kanzure> or the ingredient that will convince everyone to stop using elsevier etc.
12:15 < ryankarason> i concur.. but i think that the internet and the current power we hold for the mass distribution of knowledge is the key coming out of this dark age.
12:16 < ryankarason> my problem is.. i can easily see how if we conspire to work together, the end result as a whole is better than if we all continue to find an evolutionary stable strategy to be selfish
12:16 < ryankarason> though.. it is often hard for me to share this englightenment with others..
12:17 < ryankarason> i have great trouble understanding how people can think they own knowledge, how they think they created soemthing purely of their own will and intellect
12:18 < kanzure> perhaps names should not be attached to scientific documents
12:18 < ryankarason> so there is 1 main reason why i disagree with that notion
12:19 < ryankarason> the problem is that people lie (whether maliciously or from misinformation)
12:19 < ryankarason> so a name to me.. helps me "judge a book by its cover"
12:19 < ryankarason> it give me a truth value to a given content of a piece of information
12:19 < ryankarason> there are certain sources (authors) for various fields that i trust their results more than others.
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12:20 < ryankarason> and i often do not have the time or equiptment or money or experience to prove a given paper.. so i need to develop some trust based on the "cover"
12:22 < ryankarason> @constructor theory.. very interesting.. thanks for giving me something to read during lunch!
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12:25 < kanzure> that trust is worthless, all that matters is results and verification
12:32 < drethelin> alas
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14:07 < delinquentme> do we have anyone fluent in german in here?
14:07 < delinquentme> I'm looking for the german term for " curriculum vitae"
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15:17 < ryankarason> kanzure: trust == verification from my perspective.
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16:44 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/MachinePorn
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16:54 < kanzure> screw-drive vehicle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFKzgF5t94&feature=youtu.be&t=6m47s
16:55 < kanzure> ah, a modern equivalent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNw2Fon1Ko
17:07 < kanzure> oil rig remover http://i.imgur.com/BY63bos.jpg
17:14 < jrayhawk> i quite enjoyed Richard Hammond's Engineering Connections for this sort of thing
17:14 < jrayhawk> and for being a genuine science show
17:16 < kanzure> someone who does industrial photography http://www.stahlseite.de/
17:21 < kanzure> rover size comparison http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/press/opportunity/20120117a/PIA15279_3rovers-stand_D2011_1215_D521.jpg
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17:28 < kanzure> SR-71 assembly floor https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/SR71_factoryfloor_SkunkWorks.jpg
17:29 < cluckj> kanzure, pm in a sec?
17:33 < kanzure> sure
17:33 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow
17:33 < yoleaux> Bagger 288! - YouTube
17:33 < kanzure> ( https://www.reddit.com/r/MachinePorn/comments/qb8jk/largescale_excavator_at_a_lignite_open_pit_mine/ )
17:34 < kanzure> dis image http://i.imgur.com/YH9xX.jpg
17:44 < kanzure> i appreciate that this is named "prelude" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_FLNG
17:54 < Madplatypus> How goes the march towards transhumanism?
18:17 < mgin> who's marching?
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18:58 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone,
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19:17 < JayDugger> Madplatypus, the view from Mount Nebo is still the same.
19:35 < kanzure> what does that even mean
19:35 < JayDugger> .wik Mount Nebo
19:35 < yoleaux> "Mount Nebo (Arabic: جبل نيبو‎ Jabal Nībū; Hebrew: הַר נְבוֹ‎ Har Nevo) is an elevated ridge in Jordan, approximately 817 metres (2,680 ft) above sea level, mentioned in the Bible as the place where Moses was granted a view of the Promised Land." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Nebo
19:36 < JayDugger> Biblical reference. Moses clearly saw the promised land, but never arrived.
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19:43 < kanzure> no i mean the marching shit
19:44 < JayDugger> Oh. No idea.
19:44 < JayDugger> Orderly disciplined motion doesn't seem to fit.
19:46 < mgin> why not?
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19:47 < kanzure> every time i hear about a "movement of music" i think of people taking shits in unison. it's awful.
19:47 < kanzure> same thing with other "movements" (social movements). terrible terminology.
19:48 < mgin> maybe you're just a terrible person
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19:48 < kanzure> give me a good reason to not ban you
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19:55 < kanzure> judge me not by how awful i am but by the quality of my results :-)
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20:20 < Madplatypus> Instead of marching, maybe you would prefer "Dancing to the music of the spheres" :P
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20:33 < ryankarason> when i think of movement of music, i think of the structural part of a musical peice defined as a 'movement'
20:36 < ryankarason> kanzure: i watched the video of Constructor Theory and started peeping at one of the papers.. the video had me thinking.. .. are you going to explain what your theory is and give me an example of its application or maybe how it can be used to further deduce an unknown phenomena.. but it just seem to circle around "constructor theory is great.. it proves things .. lots of thigns.. its great.. i promise"
20:42 < kanzure> huh?
20:43 < kanzure> graph theory stuff can be used to transform one state to another. what's there to understand?
20:44 < ryankarason> aye.. i realized there is a better paper that is being more explicit..
20:44 < ryankarason> i was hoping there to be some rigor explaining a particular process in terms of this transformation and how it can be applied to deduce something new
20:45 < ryankarason> my brain is upset today
20:45 < ryankarason> so i apologize for my actions
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20:47 < ryankarason> i need to go home.. ha.. i will be back tomorrow hopefully with an operable brain
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22:56 < ebowden> paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649658
23:14 < ebowden> paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25187433
23:17 < kanzure> .title
23:17 < yoleaux> The procognitive and synaptogenic effects of angiotensin IV-derived peptides are dependent on activation of the hepatocyte growth factor/c-met system. - PubMed - NCBI
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