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quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:06 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 05:30 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-boquzqsxguvqposm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:33 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zrqefkjpevhxscpu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:55 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-33-114.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:04 -!- Porb [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:10 < chris_99> https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3eret9/science_ama_series_i_am_stephen_hawking/ 06:42 < justanotheruser> a bunch of questions, no answers 06:42 < chris_99> yeah you can post questions, he hasn't answered them yet 06:43 < xrr> The first post explains this 06:43 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:48 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: brunch] 06:50 < kanzure> bloop 06:53 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:54 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:54 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:02 -!- zadock [~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:08 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:15 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:16 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:19 < fleshtheworld> does this channel include any DIY or just 'bio 07:21 < FourFire> fleshtheworld, well some people here are working on protein synthesis for cheap 07:22 < kanzure> FourFire: dna synthesis.... not protein synthesis. 07:22 < FourFire> I'm trying to brute force genes in theoretical genespace with a genetic algorithm 07:22 < kanzure> sigh 07:22 < FourFire> also I have lots of ... ideas ... for BCI and such 07:23 < FourFire> lots of others here are doing useful things like jailbreaking research which deserves to be free and hosting it 07:26 < FourFire> kanzure, sigh all you want, I'll either prove it works, or give up and work on something else by the end of the decade. 07:27 < justanotheruser> what does brute force genes mean? 07:27 < justanotheruser> do you have a large number of samples that you use modified dna in? 07:28 < FourFire> justanotheruser, no it's supposed to be simulated all the way 07:28 < fleshtheworld> I was thinking of getting/building a cheap cooler for moo computer. Trying to find a 'viable method. Like putting a open fridge right bie my computer's intake fan area. Anyone come across any methods yet 07:29 < justanotheruser> so you have some mechanism for simulating them in a useful way? 07:29 < justanotheruser> fleshtheworld: put it in water, but make sure it is salt water so you don't have a short circuit 07:29 < FourFire> A genetic algorithm grades the gene based on how well the protein synthesied from it performs at the given task, the fitness function is how much it does the thing I want it to do, and how little reacts with other stuff in the environment 07:30 < FourFire> fleshtheworld, is it the CPU or GPU which is overheating? 07:30 < kanzure> i am primarily sighing about your mixup of protein synthesis and dna synthesis 07:31 < FourFire> kanzure, oh right, sorry, I've only seen your conversations in passing a lot 07:31 < justanotheruser> FourFire: do you have a link to information about how you determine how well the protein performs at a given task? 07:31 < fleshtheworld> im needing an unconventional cooling method for mie computer that works %100 amazing. to where my cpu will never go above 50 celsius 07:31 < kanzure> what's a moo computer, and what's a mie computer 07:32 < fleshtheworld> typing can be boring so sometimes i troll in between 07:33 < justanotheruser> fleshtheworld: buy 1000 cans of air duster and load them into a machine that can spray them upside down onto your computer and swaps them when they run out 07:35 < justanotheruser> or maybe you could just have really efficient water cooling, or a really efficient heat sync 07:35 < fleshtheworld> FourFire, didnt see yoo messeage, but neither are overheating. i just want to cool them down as much as i can 07:35 < FourFire> fleshtheworld, lol, why? 07:35 < fleshtheworld> im using stock heatsink for cpu, bought a better heatsink, but its bent, etc. so sent it back. havent reorder it yet 07:36 < FourFire> so just wait for it 07:36 < fleshtheworld> because it would just be cooler 07:36 < FourFire> an open fridge is likely to cause problems like condensation, you really don't want dripping water near your computer 07:36 < fleshtheworld> im reordering it eventually 07:37 < fleshtheworld> yeah, thast why im looking for methods that wont cause moisture, etc. 07:37 < FourFire> or if you have a ton of cooking oil and a tub handy, you could do this: https://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php 07:37 < fleshtheworld> i know there is a really simple cheap way, where mie cpu will never go above 50 ceilius 07:37 < fleshtheworld> people just havent tried developing a method yet 07:39 < fleshtheworld> looks interesting 07:39 < kanzure> fleshtheworld: perhaps if you typed faster you would be less bored? http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure 07:40 < justanotheruser> you love showing that off don't you :P 07:40 < kanzure> justanotheruser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow 07:40 < justanotheruser> do watercooled computers suck to maintain? I imagine my hands would be greasy and grose every time I wanted to do something with it. 07:41 < fleshtheworld> i assume there are oil that are not 'oily' 07:41 < FourFire> heh kanzure lord it about when you can, I have something <50 07:42 < justanotheruser> kanzure: I have no idea what I'm watching 07:42 < FourFire> watercooled, greasy? 07:42 < justanotheruser> well watercooled isn't actually water cooled unless you want a watercooled relic of your once functional computer 07:43 < fleshtheworld> i can try putting my old motherboard in a fish tank and see it it still works 07:43 < fleshtheworld> but people have done some sort of water cooling on their computer, gels, etc. 07:44 < fleshtheworld> i assume it is a aesthetic thing. 07:44 < fleshtheworld> an' 07:44 < justanotheruser> If I were you, I would just get a heatsync overnight shipped 07:45 < FourFire> ^ 07:45 < fleshtheworld> im already doing that when i can get to doing it. i just want to find a way to over cool my computer 07:45 < fleshtheworld> without freezing it 07:45 < FourFire> no, actually custom loop water cooling permits lower ambient temps 07:46 < kanzure> "8-bit gifs of japanese life" http://1041uuu.tumblr.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9954684 07:46 < FourFire> if it's done right, simply because the heat transferring material behind the metal plate which touches the CPU rushes by so quickly that there's a constant high gradient for the heat to transfer across 07:46 < fleshtheworld> that reminds me, i have to acully reorder that heatsink or ill forget 07:46 < justanotheruser> weaboo 07:47 < justanotheruser> I must be missing something, why is this the top post on hn 07:49 < kanzure> "art on hacker news? impossible!" 07:51 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kutvqqjonfvjuwyw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:06 < archels> what's a good free site for plagiarism checking? 08:09 < kanzure> just fail everyone, it's your duty as a TA 08:10 < chris_99> haha 08:12 < kanzure> huh, the soviets found a way to wiretap typewriters using magnetism? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9954159 08:13 < justanotheruser> archels: wget -r google.com 08:14 < justanotheruser> then fgrep each file and find ones that are similar 08:19 -!- zadock [~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:22 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 08:35 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zrqefkjpevhxscpu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:47 -!- the8thbit [~8bit@66.186.100.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:53 < kanzure> warning: contains boring ethical nonsense, http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/we-should-harvest-organs-from-patients-before-death/ 09:13 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-106-225.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:27 -!- sheena2 [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:28 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:28 < kanzure> "The cost of [non-monopoly-favoriting] drug development is negative, when you consider how much money would be saved by not having to pay out monopoly rents for decades to drug companies." 09:41 -!- sheena2 [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:46 -!- infinitylord [~1nfinity@150.129.205.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:08 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:15 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste] 11:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:19 < kanzure> http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2012/10/emulating-usb-dfu-to-capture-firmware.html 11:20 < kanzure> http://www.internationaltestinstruments.com/products/97-1480a-usb-20-protocol-analyzer.aspx 11:20 < kanzure> "fpga-based usb sniffer" http://openvizsla.org/ 11:26 < juri_> kanzure: travis goodspeed had a good CCC talk on that subject. 11:29 < chris_99> also https://github.com/mossmann/daisho re. usb analysers 11:44 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956415 11:44 < yoleaux> Show HN: A Hand-Drawn QR Code Alternative | Hacker News 11:44 < kanzure> "I suppose you could rework this to actually encode the message in the shape much like a qr code. You could do it by having the first 9 characters be done by just moving around the 3 sides of the triangle, then the next set would have a dot in the middle, and then the next set would have a line through the middle, etc. You could then write that line-by-line or in a spiral or something." 11:47 < kanzure> "Have you heard of elian script? This reminds me a bit of it. Also, elian script is fairly easy to write once you get the hang of it, if you were very good at it it could be faster than the latin alphabet, as it takes less movements per character." 12:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42 < kanzure> i wonder if they will start running libgen or sci-hub as a honey pot 12:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/libgen_project/status/614310409970057218 12:45 < yoleaux> We are suffering DDOS at the moment. Filthy guys work quite a dirty way (@libgen_project) 12:46 < kanzure> http://scienceengineering.library.scilibgen.org/ 12:47 < drethelin> http://www.dx.com/p/ip67-waterproof-usb-2-0-cmos-6-led-snake-camera-endoscope-7m-169169#.VbaLY_lVhBd 12:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 < kanzure> it's interesting that the forum was not targeted by the lawsuit 12:54 < kanzure> crossref.org api client thingy for DOI lookup https://github.com/dotcs/doimgr 12:58 < kanzure> this seems to be where they do upload requests for books (but not scimag?) https://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6570&start=850 12:59 < kanzure> i2p http://u76v7ha6j4jmtz3k2lseaso5qy36lxs77klhovmptufwcodovatq.b32.i2p/ 13:00 < kanzure> why is scimag separate >:( 13:02 < kanzure> might be using onionshare and tribbler 13:02 < kanzure> tribler. 13:03 < kanzure> "Scimag torrents will be distributed by someone independently, it's too much of exposure for us." https://genofond.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6395&p=66546&hilit=scimag#p66546 13:26 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:08 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:3bda:d630:adc5:8bf8:d942:8b66] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:09 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-33-114.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:25 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kutvqqjonfvjuwyw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:10 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:3bda:d630:adc5:8bf8:d942:8b66] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:15 < juri_> spoke with my contacts at lulzbot. they're not planning anything for the biohacker community any time soon. 15:22 < kanzure> duh? 15:22 < kanzure> why would they be ..? 15:29 -!- Porb [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:34 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlwjzubmjvxwixxf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wozbkgszlhwdsarm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- Taek [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:10 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:15 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:643d:422f:56d3:583b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:18 -!- BlueLobster [medea@unaffiliated/fellini] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- infinitylord [~1nfinity@150.129.205.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:31 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-204-65-105.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-87-112-73.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:36 < BlueLobster> welcome erasmus 16:36 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:36 < BlueLobster> we areher eto further the transhumanist agenda 16:36 < BlueLobster> also to learn how to type 16:36 < erasmus> omg BlueLobster in ##hplusroadmap 16:37 < erasmus> I'm with you mang 16:37 < erasmus> I'm all about trying to improve. 16:43 < BlueLobster> I'm here to help. 16:48 -!- Porb [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:51 < kanzure> greetings BlueLobster 16:51 * BlueLobster tips his hat 16:56 < erasmus> .insult BlueLobster 16:56 < yoleaux> you lazy cock-monster 16:56 < erasmus> wow that was rather spot ahn no? 17:02 < kanzure> erasmus: what's with all the random insults lately? 17:12 < erasmus> oh I'm friends with BlueLobster 17:12 < erasmus> it's not persona;. 17:12 < kanzure> but yesterday too? 17:12 < erasmus> *personal 17:12 < erasmus> do you want me out of here? 17:12 < erasmus> I'll be honest I get very little pleasure from being here. 17:13 < erasmus> if you want me out just say so and I'm gone. 17:14 < erasmus> I've been in here idle for years waiting for it to get interesting. 17:14 < justanotheruser> looking into piezo tubes on alibaba almost all of them require 100+ orders and don't have specs :( why can't they just steal sensortechs IP. Perhaps I'm searching wrong? http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=piezo+tube 17:15 < erasmus> I'm gonna go shower 17:15 < erasmus> you let me know. 17:15 < kanzure> justanotheruser: also try aliexpress 17:17 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:24 < justanotheruser> I do not understand how Piezoelectric voltage coefficient 17:24 < justanotheruser> can be measured like this http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Piezo-Disc-30-2mm-PZT8/652591979.html 17:25 < justanotheruser> Oh, it's D33, not D31 17:26 < justanotheruser> I really need to find a table for these constants 17:31 < justanotheruser> "The piezoelectric coefficient d_i,j is the ratio of the strain in the j-akis to the electric field applied along the i-axis when all external stresses are held constant." 17:31 < justanotheruser> http://155.185.232.202/dismi/radi/MSS/Piezo/piezo.pdf 17:36 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 17:41 -!- Guest58000 is now known as maaku 17:45 < maaku> kanzure: I've still got your notes at the top of my reading list. I have full intention of syncing with you on that 17:45 < maaku> just been ... busy 17:45 < maaku> if bitcoin could stop breaking please, that'd be nice 17:49 < kanzure> :-) 17:49 < Adlai> bitcoin breaks!? 17:49 < kanzure> bitcoin is maximum break 17:49 < kanzure> bitcoin is like 100 km deep of ocean trying to collapse in on itself into some weirdo form of centralization 17:50 < Adlai> then it discovers that electron clouds repel eachother, and the equilibrium attracts itself 17:51 -!- drethelin [~drethelin@71-87-115-157.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51 < Adlai> bitcoin is the strangest-yet-stablest attractor 17:51 -!- drethelin [drethelin@71-87-115-157.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:54 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:54 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:01 < BlueLobster> hmm 18:49 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:10 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wozbkgszlhwdsarm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:25 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlwjzubmjvxwixxf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:31 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.233.154] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:00 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:05 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:12 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:53 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:53 < BlueLobster> ok so 21:53 < BlueLobster> are you all a bunch of useless cunts OR.... 21:56 < justanotheruser> BlueLobster: its 1AM man 21:56 < BlueLobster> and? 21:56 < BlueLobster> you've all been a bunch of useles cunts for the past since my scrollback started 21:57 < justanotheruser> science hours are 8AM-10PM, the channel leader doesn't start distributing reading materials until those hours 21:57 < BlueLobster> the channel leader 21:57 < BlueLobster> oh boy 21:57 < justanotheruser> I am joking 21:57 < BlueLobster> this is going to go poorly 21:57 < BlueLobster> ok 21:59 < justanotheruser> Are you interested in doing something useful? 21:59 < justanotheruser> get started on something on this list http://diyhpl.us/wiki/projects/proposals/ 21:59 < BlueLobster> justanotheruser: I bought one raspberry pi 2 for every kid who was interested at a local school 22:00 < BlueLobster> I've been teaching them to use the fuckers to quantify uncertainty 22:00 < BlueLobster> also play games :p 22:00 < justanotheruser> thats good 22:01 < BlueLobster> it's kind of fun 22:01 < BlueLobster> you'd be amazed how kids don't suck at programming 22:02 < justanotheruser> It teach them functional programming 22:02 < justanotheruser> s/It// 22:03 < BlueLobster> I think you meant s/It // 22:03 < justanotheruser> If you want to be that specific, I meant s/It t/T/ 22:03 < BlueLobster> arguable 22:04 < BlueLobster> you didn't punctuate 22:04 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:643d:422f:56d3:583b] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04 < BlueLobster> so maybe you meant to not capitalize 22:04 < BlueLobster> I was trying not to be a cunt 22:04 < justanotheruser> I do start with a capital almost half the time 22:04 < justanotheruser> lol 22:04 < BlueLobster> it's kind of fun to have a kid run and jump into your lap and tell you he hacked your build 22:04 < justanotheruser> I am looking at all my messages in my log and I am ridiculously inconsistent in my capitalization 22:05 < BlueLobster> yeah you suck donkey dick 22:28 < kanzure> BlueLobster: read everything here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/optics/photolithography/ 22:29 < BlueLobster> kanzure: what have you done for humanity lately 22:29 < BlueLobster> also hi 22:30 < BlueLobster> buying raspberry pi 2s for every boy at a local school was my last project 22:31 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:35 < kanzure> well at the moment i am defending myself from some bullshit accusations about elitism https://github.com/CryptoConsortium/CCSS/issues/15#issuecomment-125448659 22:35 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-auotdbhxpqwgczcb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:37 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:38 < justanotheruser> "Your trusted third-party should ideally be running one bitcoin node per customer, so that in the event of a fork they do not have to enforce one certain fork on all customers" 22:38 < justanotheruser> I don't understand the benefit of this 22:39 < kanzure> because you don't want to be limited by the ruleset that the lowest common denominator customer is demanding 22:39 < kanzure> or lowest-common-denominator and biggest checkbook 22:42 < justanotheruser> Makes sense I suppose 22:42 < kanzure> 22:35 < CodeShark> "so that in the event of a fork they do not have to enforce one certain fork on all customers" 22:42 < kanzure> 22:36 < CodeShark> that's not snarky sarcasm? 22:42 < kanzure> bah 22:43 < justanotheruser> oh calm down, he already apologized on github :P 22:44 < kanzure> that was after i complained 22:44 < justanotheruser> Though, looking at -dev this guy is confusing me 22:45 < justanotheruser> Do you still read the bitcoin mailing list? I've quit for about a week because of all the noise. 22:47 < kanzure> yes i read it 22:47 < BlueLobster> ok ok ok 22:47 < BlueLobster> what are you fuckers on about 22:47 < kanzure> BlueLobster: i don't hear you reading yet >:( 22:48 < BlueLobster> kanzure: Your children are not your children. 22:48 < BlueLobster> they are the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself 22:48 < kanzure> no philosophy 22:48 * kanzure points to the rules 22:48 < BlueLobster> philoisophy is an ipmortant way fowrard 22:48 < BlueLobster> fuck the rules 22:48 < kanzure> not when you do it wrong 22:48 < BlueLobster> isn't that inherent? 22:48 < BlueLobster> ahhhh 22:48 < BlueLobster> but now we can discuss where I have made a mistake 22:48 < kanzure> who the shit cares what life longs for? 22:49 < BlueLobster> all of us 22:49 < kanzure> just proceed as negentropy pump 22:49 < BlueLobster> Life. 22:49 < BlueLobster> what is the goal 22:49 < BlueLobster> I'm not entirely sure we are aligned 22:49 < kanzure> BlueLobster: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration 22:49 < BlueLobster> I wish to promote the utility of all future humans 22:49 < BlueLobster> I'd also prefer that we not be cunts about it 22:50 < kanzure> screw future humans, how about current humans 22:50 < BlueLobster> nononono 22:50 < BlueLobster> current humans are irrelevant 22:50 < kanzure> but yea, that page explains 22:50 < BlueLobster> no I'm confused no 22:50 < BlueLobster> "but yea" doe snot compute 22:50 < BlueLobster> if you could set all extant humans on fire 22:50 < BlueLobster> and have all future humans live in eudaimonia 22:51 < BlueLobster> would you not take that? 22:51 < kanzure> i would blow up the planet for a good milkshake, so i don't know if i'm the right person to ask 22:51 < BlueLobster> the question then becomnes what we are trying to optimize 22:51 < kanzure> did you read the page? 22:52 < BlueLobster> no 22:52 < kanzure> good night 22:52 * kanzure sleeps 22:52 < BlueLobster> I have my own ideas, and they don't come with a faq 22:52 < BlueLobster> I thought we'd have an open dialogue 22:52 < BlueLobster> justanotheruser: this fucker sounds like a humanist, not a transhumainst 22:52 < BlueLobster> what have you done 22:52 < justanotheruser> you didn't read the link 22:53 < BlueLobster> yes but he's a humanist 22:53 < BlueLobster> useless 22:53 < justanotheruser> you came here to discuss philosophy :( 22:53 < BlueLobster> excuse me, I came here to discuss the way forward 22:53 < BlueLobster> but humanists are worthless 22:53 < justanotheruser> I don't know if you're trolling or what. Read the link. 22:53 * BlueLobster shruigs 22:53 < BlueLobster> trolling or what? 22:54 < BlueLobster> are you a bunch of humanists dressed up as transhumanist pretenders? 22:54 < BlueLobster> not impressed 22:54 < justanotheruser> I don't see what implies that we aren't transhumanist 22:54 < BlueLobster> I fudamentally disagree that effort to improve the lot of extant humans is the best way forward 22:55 < BlueLobster> it is a misdirection of limited resources 22:55 < BlueLobster> that kanzure fuker's chat was fundamentally humanist 22:55 < BlueLobster> humanism and transhumanism are nearly diametrically opposed 22:56 < BlueLobster> so, given that 22:56 < BlueLobster> you fuckers suck at it 22:56 < justanotheruser> do you think the prefix "trans" implies something about whether a human you're helping exists? 22:56 < BlueLobster> yes 22:56 < justanotheruser> then you're trong 22:56 < BlueLobster> the trans bit implies that you are helping all future humanity 22:56 < BlueLobster> not just extant people 22:56 < justanotheruser> no it doesn't 22:56 < BlueLobster> yes, it does 22:57 < BlueLobster> necause you're not going to ascend in your lifetime 22:57 < BlueLobster> if you want to do somethjig useful rather tha navel gaze 22:57 < justanotheruser> transhumanism - a philosophy favouring the use of science and technology, especially neurotechnology, biotechnology, and nanotechnology, to overcome human limitations and improve the human condition 22:57 < BlueLobster> you'd be interested in the prosperity of the species 22:57 < BlueLobster> our role as present transhumanists 22:57 < BlueLobster> IS TO DIE 22:57 < justanotheruser> nothing implies existent or nonexistent humans 22:57 < BlueLobster> but to leave the world in sucha place that others may some day not 22:58 < BlueLobster> humanists are insipid poltroons. 22:58 < justanotheruser> living forever would be cool, but if I can't live forever at least another generation may be able to 22:58 < BlueLobster> transhumanists are laying the work for humanity to prosper 22:58 < BlueLobster> you lot are a bunch of cunts, not transhumanists. 22:59 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwsbkfxoydecmews] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:59 < BlueLobster> cheers PatrickRobotham 22:59 < justanotheruser> So should any work done in this channel only apply to future humans? If it may benefit present and future humans it should be ignored? 22:59 < BlueLobster> the benefit t present humans is irrelevant 22:59 < BlueLobster> if it benefits future humans it should be valued 22:59 < BlueLobster> benefit to extant humans is worth nothing 23:00 < BlueLobster> that's humanism 23:00 < BlueLobster> I thought we moved beyond that 23:00 < justanotheruser> got past you redefining the word? 23:00 < BlueLobster> You do not matter. 23:00 < justanotheruser> Humanism and transhumanism aren't disjoint 23:00 < BlueLobster> they are absolutely incompatible 23:01 < BlueLobster> if we could we should enslave all of humanity 23:01 < BlueLobster> to create a better future 23:01 < BlueLobster> no one alive matters 23:01 < BlueLobster> the time discounted utility of all future humans dominates 23:01 < BlueLobster> so fuck you. Fuck anyone. Fuck old people who cost so much to keep alive. 23:02 < justanotheruser> I've given you the definition, it seems you have some absurd redefinition along the lines of "humanism for the future" rather than "removing human limitations" 23:02 < BlueLobster> Life looks not backward nor tarries with yesterday. 23:02 < BlueLobster> Your definitions bore me, as do your silly links. 23:03 < justanotheruser> There may be a channel for ##futurehumanism or something for your philosophy 23:03 < BlueLobster> I would not call you transhumanists 23:03 < justanotheruser> or ##futurology :) 23:03 < BlueLobster> I would call you navel gazing cunts.l 23:05 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:15 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:17 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 --- Log closed Tue Jul 28 00:00:24 2015