--- Log opened Tue Jul 28 00:00:24 2015 00:17 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste ] 00:18 -!- Porb [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:20 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:44 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:45 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:15 < maaku> 'i would blow up the planet for a good milkshake' lol 01:26 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:32 -!- saurik [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:35 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:38 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:06 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ekginhnmhpxuywhr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:00 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwsbkfxoydecmews] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:18 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:35 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:36 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-auotdbhxpqwgczcb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:52 < pasky> kanzure: what are your thouhts about http://www.augur.net/ ? will it make sense? some people want me involved and I'm a bit torn... 04:54 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hufbnkbiolrdwbvs] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:56 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-7-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:22 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:42 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:31 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-7-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:38 < kanzure> pasky: ask maaku 06:38 < kanzure> maaku: :-) 06:38 < kanzure> justanotheruser: i think BlueLobster is mgin, they both refuse to read anything 06:39 < justanotheruser> pasky: that website is terrible 06:39 < justanotheruser> white on pink 06:39 < justanotheruser> the incredibly low text density 06:40 < cluckj> lol @ scrollback 06:40 < justanotheruser> oh wait, I had to turn flash on so they could show me their neat effect where things come together as I scroll down 06:40 < justanotheruser> s/flash/js/ 06:41 < justanotheruser> kanzure: nah, he was just trolling I think 06:42 < justanotheruser> Refused to acknowledge that the definition of transhumanism allowed the benefit of living humanss 06:42 < kanzure> the wikipedia article is sort of shit 06:43 < kanzure> a long time ago i tried to refactor the article but my refactor was rejected 06:43 < kanzure> because of the local wikipedia article owner (Loremaster) 06:44 < kanzure> the problem with the wikipedia article is that it doesn't make it out to be a "personal philosophy", instead it's about large groups of _other_ humans 06:44 < kanzure> in the james hughes "social democratic transhumanism" sense, which is a clusterfuck disaster 06:45 < kanzure> to be fair, they were right to reject my refactored version of the article, although they are still wrong to have such a clearly biased definition 06:48 < justanotheruser> if only definitions were preceded by namespaces 06:49 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste] 06:49 < JayDugger> How would you handle all the namespaces in a reference work? 06:49 < justanotheruser> very carefully 06:49 < JayDugger> Fair enough. :) 06:50 < justanotheruser> not a serious suggestion, too many different definitions to keep track of 06:51 < JayDugger> Thought so, but asking you made a welcome distraction from housework. 07:16 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:17 < delinquentme> BlueLobster, I like your talking head appeal 07:25 < juri_> much scroll. many wow. 07:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-7-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:29 < delinquentme> yeahh right! 07:29 < delinquentme> we've got fucking che in our presence 07:29 < delinquentme> juri_, I too, cant believe were blessed w such austerity 07:31 < JayDugger> Shush! Back to your navel gazing. 07:33 < delinquentme> JayDugger, right now its more than just gazing ! theres lint in there ! 07:34 < juri_> I've... got such a pretty navel... 07:48 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02 < kanzure> sci-hub mirror(?) http://sci-hub.club/ 08:02 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar/comments/3bs1rm/meta_the_libgenscihub_thread_howtos_updates_and/ 08:07 < kanzure> ah they finally know about expaper.cn 08:08 < kanzure> and for some reason libgen recommends http://cyberleninka.ru/ 08:18 -!- kish is now known as kunh 08:24 -!- kunh is now known as kish 08:26 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:48 -!- Porb [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:01 < cluckj> the sci-hub lawsuit makes me real nervous 09:02 < cluckj> "bullshit that might get my field notes subpoenaed" 09:11 < ParahSailin_> jrayhawk: came up with an interesting "keto" soylent 09:13 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-106-225.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Beatzebub] 09:13 < JayDugger> Oh? 09:13 < ParahSailin_> jrayhawk: 150 grams olive oil, 20 grams ultra-tex 8, 100 grams whey protein, 3 grams salt, shaken to 1 liter with water 09:13 < JayDugger> Ultra-tex 8? What's that? 09:13 < ParahSailin_> fancy food starch 09:14 < ParahSailin_> its what i had around as a free sample 09:15 < JayDugger> http://www.modernistpantry.com/ultra-tex-8.html, and http://www.molecularrecipes.com/hydrocolloid-guide/ultra-tex/? 09:16 < ParahSailin_> yeah 09:16 < ParahSailin_> used to be able to get it from national starch as a free sample 09:16 < ParahSailin_> but that was in like 2008 09:17 < JayDugger> How many servings does that make? 09:17 < ParahSailin_> http://www.ingredion.us/applicationsingredients/Document-Library/Pages/DocumentLibrary.aspx 09:17 < juri_> a member of my hackerspace (mike chellen) is on his way to SF. he's visiting biocurious, and counterculture. 09:18 < juri_> please give him a warm welcome. and NOT a laser to the face. 09:18 < ParahSailin_> thats like 1800 kcal 09:18 < ParahSailin_> thats the free sample link btw 09:19 < ParahSailin_> the emulsion is quite stable 09:19 < ParahSailin_> can have it in the fridge overnight 09:20 < ParahSailin_> and it doesnt give you the oil shits 09:21 < JayDugger> Thank you. Ha! I have, or rather had, the opposite problem when I started with a spirulina and chlorella heavy recipe. 09:21 < JayDugger> Not constipation, but clogged plumbing. 09:22 < ParahSailin_> i havent eaten that exclusively, just using it to supplement meat 09:22 < ParahSailin_> spirulina too heavy in fiber? 09:23 < JayDugger> No, I don't think so. Feces was just really solid, and (relatively) poorly water-soluble. 09:24 < ParahSailin_> maybe good idea to mix that green stuff with this mix then, and give it some semblance of completeness 09:24 < ParahSailin_> i just used what happened to be at trader joes on a whim 09:25 < JayDugger> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2+T+spirulina 09:25 < JayDugger> 500 mg of fiber or so, per Wolframalpha--shit, there's a yoleaux command for that isn't there. 09:26 < ParahSailin_> i have a friend with cancer who needs some way of getting food in, so i was trying to experiment for him 09:26 < ParahSailin_> wouldnt do to give such a carb heavy mix as soylent 09:26 < JayDugger> I have several other ingredients in that recipe. If you can wait 20 hours or so, I can get the whole thing from my work email account. (I entered into the summer cook-off contest. I lost.) 09:27 < ParahSailin_> cookoff? 09:27 < ParahSailin_> apparently olive oil is supposed to have some compounds that are useful against cancer? 09:27 < ParahSailin_> dude's in stage 4, doing chemo 09:27 < JayDugger> Yes, a cooking contest at work. Submit a dish, taste panel, etc. 09:27 < ParahSailin_> yeah i bet a soylent mix would not win a cooking contest 09:28 < JayDugger> Oh, my sympathies and best wishes for a complete remission. 09:28 < JayDugger> No, especially not when it has a deep dark green color. 09:28 < JayDugger> My wife can't stand the smell, either. 09:28 < ParahSailin_> so the algae has an aroma? 09:29 < cluckj> I can't imagine soylent + spirulina tasting very awesome 09:29 < JayDugger> It's pretty mild, but spirulina and chlorella both have distinct aromas. 09:30 < JayDugger> You also have to take care in mixing them. They have such small sizes (microalgae) that it's worse than confectioner's sugar. 09:30 < cluckj> turn all the things green? 09:31 < JayDugger> Yeah, my stock answer to the flavor question is to dodge it by listing just how nutritious it is, and then circle back to the adage "Things that taste good usually aren't good for you." 09:32 < JayDugger> If that doesn't give the hint, I fall back to "I eat it because it is good for me, not for the taste. You buy gasoline for its octane, not its fragrance." 09:32 < JayDugger> And yes, initially. 09:33 < cluckj> lol 09:33 < JayDugger> Stool changes back after about two weeks, in my case, if I don't change the amount in the meal. 09:33 < JayDugger> Urine doesn't change color based on this. You can turn it bright yellow with large vitamin B doses, but I've only done that with supplements. 09:34 < JayDugger> .wa "50 grams olive oil, 20 grams ultra-tex 8, 100 grams whey protein, 3 grams salt, shaken to 1 liter with water" 09:34 < yoleaux> JayDugger: Sorry, no result! 09:35 < JayDugger> .insult 09:35 < yoleaux> you creepy douche-pilot 09:35 < JayDugger> right back at you, bot. 09:35 < ParahSailin_> yeah, thats 150 grams olive oil 09:36 < cluckj> bbl 09:36 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:37 < JayDugger> .wa 150 grams olive oil + 100 grams whey + 3 grams salt 09:37 < yoleaux> olive oil: amount: 150 grams+whey: amount: 100 grams+salt: amount: 3 grams: Protein and amino acids: |: mean value: % daily value: range; protein: olive oil: 0 g: 0%: | whey: 805 mg: 2%: (760 to 850) mg: salt: 0 g: 0%: | total: 805 mg: 2% |; Sterols: |: mean value: % daily value: range; cholesterol: olive oil: 0 g: 0%: | whey: 1.5 mg: 1%: (1 to 2) mg: salt: 0 g: 0%: | total: 1.5 mg: 1% | 09:39 < JayDugger> Well, anyway, good night, everyone. Bed time where I am. 09:45 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:55 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hufbnkbiolrdwbvs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:09 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-7-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 < BlueLobster> delinquentme: thank you 11:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-7-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:05 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egmzofmkptixfsrf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-71-241-254-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:25 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ekginhnmhpxuywhr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:30 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:34 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 < fenn> i like the taste of chlorella, it reminds me of matcha green tea and dark chocolate 13:19 < cluckj> tasting/pairing notes (like wine) for nutritional algae would be a great boon to science 13:21 -!- Daeken [~daeken@173.255.238.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:21 < fenn> culture 13:22 < cluckj> I suppose that too 13:28 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-106-225.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- Daeken [~daeken@demoseen.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 < jrayhawk> "09:29 < ParahSailin_> apparently olive oil is supposed to have some compounds that are useful against cancer?" phenolics are a hormetic stressor used to upregulate a bunch of antioxidant pathways like Nrf2, but ketosis would already be doing the same thing with methylglyoxal. 13:50 < EnLilaSko> .g olive oil examine.com 13:50 < yoleaux> http://examine.com/supplements/Olive+Oil/ 13:51 < BlueLobster> hmmm 13:51 < BlueLobster> green tea... and dark chocolate 13:51 < BlueLobster> fenn: what do you do for your chocolate? 13:51 < fenn> trader joe's 500g bar 72% cacao 13:52 < BlueLobster> ever done something a bit more exciting? 13:52 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.137.73] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 < fenn> ghirardelli chips are good too but sometimes they have gotten chalky from improper storage 13:52 < BlueLobster> I like your style, fuck milk chocolate 13:52 < nmz787_i> how's the protein synthesizer going? any advances? 13:52 < fenn> i like milk chocolate too 13:52 < nmz787_i> :P 13:52 < BlueLobster> I detest milk chocolate. 13:53 < nmz787_i> (I am joking) 13:53 < BlueLobster> let's focus on dark chocolate 13:53 < fenn> no nmz787_i we are busy navel gazing 13:53 < kanzure> BlueLobster: have you read the links yet? 13:53 < kanzure> nmz787_i: still don't know how to do gene assembly with an inkjet 13:53 < kanzure> or oligo synthesis 13:53 < BlueLobster> kanzure: you and your fucking links 13:53 < BlueLobster> kanzure: what's your favourite chocolatE? 13:53 < nmz787_i> fenn: oranges or bellybuttons? 13:53 < kanzure> BlueLobster: i'd tell you, but you'd have to visit a link 13:54 < BlueLobster> fine fine I'll click something 13:54 < kanzure> BlueLobster: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration 13:54 < nmz787_i> xrr: yep, that was me... I think 3 years ago 13:54 < nmz787_i> xrr: still don't have anyone who wants to help other than with a passing comment 13:55 < nmz787_i> (on the non-macro-scale ideas, at least) 13:55 * fenn doesn't see anything from xrr in the scrollback... 13:56 < kanzure> it was a few days ago 13:56 < kanzure> we've lost captain hindsight 13:56 < fenn> why/how 13:56 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-7-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:56 < kanzure> not enough focus for his taste 13:56 < nmz787_i> huh 13:56 < fenn> i thought he was just doing a jobber job 13:56 < nmz787_i> I wondered if that would happen 13:57 < BlueLobster> kanzure: I'm going to have to replicate that remotely because I don't click on links 13:57 < BlueLobster> but I'll get back to you 13:57 < kanzure> BlueLobster: it's a git repository 13:57 < kanzure> BlueLobster: https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki or git clone git://diyphl.us/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git 13:57 < BlueLobster> kanzure: who is the domain registrar 13:57 < BlueLobster> ok 13:57 < BlueLobster> very good 13:57 < BlueLobster> that will suffice 13:57 < nmz787_i> BlueLobster: but that 'github' link could be a victim of bitsquatting, so best not to click that either 13:58 < nmz787_i> unicdoe and whatnot 13:58 < nmz787_i> unicode 13:58 < kanzure> fenn: he's ready to roll but i don't have enough details for him. 13:58 < nmz787_i> kanzure: no longer interested in direct POSAM replication? 13:58 < BlueLobster> nmz787_i: my environment is sterile 13:58 < BlueLobster> it won't do anything naughty 13:58 < kanzure> he'd be willing to throw together the inkjet printer, but i don't think he's willing to debug the chemistry 13:59 < BlueLobster> default routes will be deleted :) 13:59 < nmz787_i> what was the word from the biohacker groups? 13:59 < kanzure> plus, all of the machine requirements aren't known at the moment 13:59 < jrayhawk> corrected domain and shorter path: git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git 13:59 < kanzure> biohacker groups would be happy to house it, but none of them expressed an understanding of how much hard work this is going to take 13:59 < nmz787_i> mmm 13:59 < nmz787_i> yeah 13:59 < fenn> the only missing machine requirement is linker chemistry 13:59 < ParahSailin_> jrayhawk: hm i havent really been in ketosis though 13:59 < nmz787_i> biohackers being bio-logists 13:59 < kanzure> fenn: lcds are not dense enough to do this 13:59 < nmz787_i> fenn: wasn't the linker chem also in POSAM? 14:00 < fenn> i agree about biohackers being lame though 14:00 < ParahSailin_> so this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleocanthal mechanism is probably as hormetic stressor? 14:00 < kanzure> lcds aren't going to move 10 picoliter droplets or whatever 14:00 < fenn> what's wrong with lcd's and SCOEW 14:00 < fenn> i don't care about moving 10 picoliter droplets 14:00 < kanzure> what's the inkjet for then? 14:01 < fenn> i mean i don't care about moving 10 picoliter droplets around with an lcd 14:01 < fenn> if you are just going to combine them together anyway, just use bigger droplets 14:01 < fenn> also we can do DLP projector if it comes to that 14:01 < jrayhawk> huh, the LPS mitigation stuff in that article is interesting 14:02 < kanzure> dlp has the same limitations 14:02 < kanzure> fenn: how many drops do you want on an lcd? 14:02 < fenn> lcds have more pixels and are cheaper and more compact so i'm inclined to do that instead 14:02 < fenn> .g retina tablet resolution 14:02 < yoleaux> http://ipv6.google.com/sorry/IndexRedirect?continue=http://www.google.com/search%3F%26q%3Dretina%2520tablet%2520resolution%26btnI%3D&q=CGMSECoBBPgCAXIwAAAAAAAIaucY-9zfrQUiGQDxp4NLHfuRj_QW2_kW7cFGJZ6RRY8FGjc 14:02 < jrayhawk> But, yeah, potentially. 14:02 < fenn> hm i guess .g is borked dpk 14:05 < fenn> an ipad has 3 megapixels so assuming it takes 9 pixels per droplet that's 333k droplets 14:05 < fenn> maximum 14:06 < fenn> this is just for reference, not suggesting we actually use an ipad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display 14:06 < kanzure> where is the 9 pixel assumption from? 14:06 < fenn> me 14:06 < kanzure> plus you need space for movement and isolation 14:06 < nmz787_i> up down left right NW NE SW SE center? 14:06 < kanzure> and also wasn't this the one where you don't need an inkjet? 14:07 < nmz787_i> up down left right A B start 14:07 < fenn> o-- 14:07 < fenn> oo- 14:07 < fenn> o-- 14:07 < nmz787_i> .ud 14:07 < yoleaux> Verb: The act of last minute screaming planning action that does not divert panic Blazin' it in the daytime. Let life go by or pass on by Talking shit over social media (twitter,Instagram) or talki 14:07 < fenn> the droplet would be at the tip of the two o's 14:07 < nmz787_i> .ud up down left right a b start 14:07 < yoleaux> ENOTFOUND 14:08 < nmz787_i> well that's def the first google hit for me 14:08 < fenn> o is light and - is dark 14:09 < fenn> or maybe the other way around 14:09 < fenn> hrm 14:11 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: still lurking, just waiting for things to get organized here 14:11 < kanzure> oh 14:11 < kanzure> whoops 14:11 < kanzure> yea i guess i should actually check before i make up shit, huh? 14:12 < fenn> "CaptHindsight> ssi: I quoted an open source design for an inkjet that included mesa hardware. The majority of complaints and hub-bub was the cost of the Mesa hardware and complexity of Linuxcnc" CaptHindsight i think you are imagining this, i don't remember anyone ever complaining about the cost of mesa boards in particular 14:12 < nmz787_i> so fenn, you didn't answer when I asked about the supposed 'missing linker chemistry details'.... are these not outlined in the POSAM papers (it seemed to be to me) 14:13 < CaptHindsight> fenn: it's in the logs 14:13 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13 < fenn> juri_ was being a free software zealot about fpga programming mostly 14:13 < nmz787_i> fenn: to be honest, I asked how under-resourced an ice40 FPGA would be vs the Mesa (I don't believe that was answered)... the answer I got was 'why reimplement motor drivers, and you'd lose out on the open-source CPUs/MCUs that Mesa offers' 14:14 < CaptHindsight> possibly, I just ask whenever it comes up 14:15 < CaptHindsight> reinvention of Linuxcnc, FPGA boards etc 14:16 < nmz787_i> but that was about cost, not feasibility 14:16 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are there plans for things to get organized in here 14:17 < kanzure> elaborate 14:17 < nmz787_i> kanzure: ever post that chemist-wanted to anywhere? 14:17 < ParahSailin_> those lesswrong people were big on quantified health hypothesis stuff, do they have a best answer for someone who has cancer? 14:18 < ParahSailin_> didnt one of them even have a startup about that? 14:18 < fenn> ParahSailin_: that was metamed, not lesswrong specifically(?) 14:18 < justanotheruser> Is there some plan to organize individuals to work along the roadmap 14:18 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:18 < jrayhawk> almost everyone at metamed was LW-associated anyway 14:18 < CaptHindsight> how long were the inkjet oligos? ~100mer 14:19 < justanotheruser> I don't know of better elaboration because I'm asking a very general question 14:19 < justanotheruser> What is the timeline for the next 5 years 14:19 < jrayhawk> only interesting health thing i have seen come out of the QS movement was HRV 14:19 < fenn> jrayhawk: that's because all the consumer accelerometers are bullshit and don't give you raw data 14:20 < kanzure> nmz787_i: no, it needs to be rewritten 14:20 < BlueLobster> good evening justanotheruser 14:20 < kanzure> justanotheruser: you mean by paying them? 14:20 < justanotheruser> or collaboratively volunteering 14:20 < justanotheruser> BlueLobster: hey 14:20 < kanzure> justanotheruser: well that would require actual volunteers 14:20 < jrayhawk> http://www.apdm.com/ i do some work for a biosensor company, as it happens 14:20 < justanotheruser> true 14:20 < kanzure> justanotheruser: i can only shame you people so much into doing work 14:21 < jrayhawk> well, mechanical sensor, i suppose 14:21 < justanotheruser> yes, I hope I can help when I'm done with my very important and fancy degree 14:21 < kanzure> hehe 14:21 < fenn> jrayhawk: also from my perspective the "movement" went from like 50 dudes having pizza and talking about nerd stuff to millions of dollars in VC hype in a matter of months, and the influx of people was like an elephant jumping into a kiddy pool (i personally felt splashed out/excluded) 14:22 < kanzure> justanotheruser: realistically, dna synthesis is pretty important for other stuff 14:23 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: I think the confusion is over how to cleave the oligos from the tray and link that to the ones still bonded to the tray 14:23 < justanotheruser> dna synthesis is the first goal then? 14:23 < nmz787_i> CaptHindsight: I thought that was to be saved for a later revision... and simply cleave all-at-once to start 14:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:24 < nmz787_i> a million spots is pretty ridiculous anyway, unless the error rate and post-cleanup is horrible 14:24 < nmz787_i> with a reasonable process, I bet a given user for something like this would be using 100 spots max 14:25 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 < CaptHindsight> inkjet onto an electrostatic array, bond the first base to the array using a photocleaveable link 14:26 < fenn> jrayhawk: how much does apdm's opal cost? (roughly) 14:27 < CaptHindsight> after you reach your 50-100mer you leave the first row bonded to the array and photcleave the next row and bond it to the first row 14:27 < CaptHindsight> then photcleave the 3rd row. move it to the first row and bond, repeat 14:28 < jrayhawk> i don't do sales, but i get the impression it's more than a hundred and less than a thousand, depending 14:28 < fenn> APDM Opal 16 IMU $2,399.00 14:28 < fenn> from some academic paper 14:28 < fenn> that's an expensive watch 14:30 < jrayhawk> the real-time data streaming and sd card support are the two biggies 14:30 < fenn> "the entire system, including Mobility Lab costs $20,032.00" 14:30 < BlueLobster> who the fuck needs a watch 14:30 < BlueLobster> phone 14:30 < BlueLobster> the only watches I deal with are pocket watchs 14:30 < fenn> i don't particularly care about data streaming but sd card is important 14:30 < BlueLobster> beacuse that's a proper fashion piece 14:31 < fenn> also the battery life is too short, 12h is not even a full day 14:31 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 < BlueLobster> justanotheruser: you know what's amusing 14:31 < fenn> BlueLobster: it's an accelerometer worn on wrist or foot 14:31 < BlueLobster> can't I put one in my pocket 14:31 < CaptHindsight> http://ibin.co/w800/29eLd1TYvEx9 the danger with photo-cleaving and photo-deprotection is damage from the UV 14:32 < fenn> yes but it would be a different measurement because it's measuring the movement of your pocket, not your wrist 14:32 < BlueLobster> fenn: why can't we just build this into my phone 14:32 < BlueLobster> why does it have to go on a lumb 14:32 < BlueLobster> limb 14:32 < fenn> because measuring the movement of the limb is the whole point 14:32 < BlueLobster> that makes assmptinos about my gait 14:32 < BlueLobster> why don'tt we just use gps data to figure out how far I've travelled 14:32 < fenn> i don't care about gait 14:33 < BlueLobster> yes but "steps" are rather different for different peopl 14:33 < BlueLobster> are we sure "steps" are the right increment 14:33 < BlueLobster> what if I walk with my hands in my pockets 14:33 < fenn> i want to do correlation between movement and other data sources in order to draw inferences about hidden variables 14:33 < BlueLobster> there are many assumptions made in this aggregaton that likely do not result in reliable data 14:33 < BlueLobster> I hate unreliable data 14:34 < fenn> yes i agree "steps" is a terrible downsampling of the data and i hate all the consumer accelerometer companies because of this 14:34 < BlueLobster> fenn: that's nice. Why is something on your wrist the best way to quantify movement? 14:34 < fenn> because we do things with our hands? it may not be the best way 14:34 < BlueLobster> fenn: I suppose the only reason we don't use constant gps polling is that it's battery expensive on most phone apps? 14:34 < BlueLobster> that can be fixed 14:35 < fenn> what does gps have to do with body movement? 14:35 < BlueLobster> if I'm doing vertical pushups 14:35 < jrayhawk> why accumulate data if most data is useless 14:35 < BlueLobster> is my ankle tracking thing 14:35 < jrayhawk> welp, i am convinced 14:35 < BlueLobster> going to tell? 14:35 < jrayhawk> time to throw out all my backups 14:35 < fenn> yes an ankle accelerometer can determine if you are doing pushups or not 14:36 < fenn> i don't know what a "vertical pushup" is 14:36 < jrayhawk> handstand pushup, maybe 14:36 < BlueLobster> fenn: do a handstand 14:36 < BlueLobster> you'll figure it out 14:36 < fenn> i don't think i can do a handstand pushup 14:37 < BlueLobster> new goal in life 14:37 < jrayhawk> i usually have to kip them 14:37 < jrayhawk> some days i can manage 14:37 < BlueLobster> fenn: the key is really more your core strength than your upper body 14:38 < jrayhawk> uhhhh 14:38 < BlueLobster> jrayhawk: keeping the legs upright is a lot more challenging than moving the weight 14:40 < jrayhawk> there's a tradeoff between prioprioception and strength, there, yeah, but that's optional if you use e.g. a wall to stabilize yourself 14:40 < fenn> .title http://youtu.be/mv04IgDWAF4 14:40 < yoleaux> Starship Troopers - disable hand - YouTube 14:40 < jrayhawk> even tiny ladies can do handstands, though 14:42 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.137.73] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:42 < jrayhawk> which is to say if you have good proprioception you need almost no strength 14:51 < CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU Three-Dimensional Mid-Air Acoustic Manipulation contactless synthesis 14:52 < kanzure> interference causes mixing 14:53 < CaptHindsight> looks whizz-bang to get more funding 14:54 < CaptHindsight> someone wanted to do this last year, now I see why 14:57 < CaptHindsight> http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/9/1/57/figure/F1 I didn't see any specs on the energy required to deprotect 14:58 < CaptHindsight> if the UV required is too close to what causes damage this wasn't a good plan 14:58 < kanzure> fenn: so would SCOEW stuff get done though? 14:59 < CaptHindsight> "conventional solid-phase synthesis of oligonucleotides, which has reached stepwise coupling efficiencies of ~99% over several decades of optimization" 15:00 < fenn> i don't know, SCOEW is a research project in itself 15:00 < kanzure> research needs to be minimized lots 15:00 < kanzure> electrowetting on electrodes seems less researchy 15:00 < fenn> unfortunately i don't see a way around it except to reduce the number of oligos by orders of magnitude 15:00 < kanzure> well, do we have any uses for 1 oligo? 15:00 < fenn> well both of those have low TRL 15:01 < fenn> can use the abi 391 to do 1 oligo 15:01 < fenn> it would be nice for pcr primers etc 15:02 < kanzure> we haven't consumed any pcr primers ever 15:02 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.137.73] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:02 < fenn> hence why i'm not enthusiastic about dna synthesis 15:03 < CaptHindsight> "the microarray are deprotected with light (12 J/cm2, to reach almost complete photodeprotection)" 15:03 < fenn> light deprotection is much lower completion than other chemistries 15:03 < CaptHindsight> so not exactly the most sensitive UV activated deprotector 15:04 < CaptHindsight> fenn: http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/9/1/57/ 15:05 < CaptHindsight> Efficiency, error and yield in light-directed maskless synthesis of DNA microarrays 15:06 < fenn> huh this is not what i had heard previously, "Coupling Insertions due to stray light are the limiting factor in sequence quality for oligonucleotide synthesis for gene assembly." 15:18 < CaptHindsight> I really see why t12 mentioned how they spent most of their research on optimizing QC 15:20 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:20 < kanzure> and assembly 15:40 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: gone] 15:46 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48 < dpk> fenn: yeah, it's been doing that a lot recently 15:48 < dpk> it's flipping annoying but there's not much i can do 15:48 < kanzure> perhaps the bot needs a new home? 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18:34 < kanzure> *were 18:34 < mgin> that's not a strategy 18:34 < mgin> i don't think you ever claimed that it was 18:37 < kanzure> how is it not a strategy? 18:37 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qyfwsgysdanhkyvk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 < mgin> it's just a list. do you think it's a strategy? like i said i never heard you claim that it was 18:38 < kanzure> and messages are just lists of words, so what? 18:42 < mgin> anyone else? :P 18:46 < mgin> :( 18:46 < mgin> life is the most beautiful thing there is 18:47 < mgin> idk why more people aren't obsessed with living forever 19:05 < superkuh> Probably because it's not feasible. 19:06 < mgin> it is feasible 19:09 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@108-240-244-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:13 < kanzure> mgin: there's no way to guarantee living forever, but guarantees aren't necessary to do so 19:13 < kanzure> wait yes they are, nevermind 19:13 < kanzure> (re: shorthand) "In yielding to this necessity. I did so with the thought that, when the system had demonstrated its superiority for commercial work and reporting, its value would be more readily recognized as a time- and labor-saving accomplishment. Through all the subsequent years, absorbed and enmeshed as I have been with the details of a constantly expanding movement and organization, I have looked forward to the time when it would ... 19:13 < kanzure> ... be possible to return to my original purpose by inaugurating a campaign for the use of shorthand by everybody who had much writing to do. It has been a source of profound regret to me that time after time the pressure of other things has resulted in the postponement of such a campaign. It will come some day! The ever-increasing pressure of the times will render it inevitable.” 19:14 < kanzure> and instead we just have text expanding to fill vacuums 19:16 < mgin> what's that from? 19:17 < kanzure> plover mailing list 19:17 < mgin> anyway i obviously never said anything about guarantees 19:18 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:54 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:10 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:30 -!- rigel [~yourmom@c-24-21-52-83.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30 -!- rigel [~yourmom@c-24-21-52-83.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- Porb__ [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:37 -!- Porb [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:04 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:33 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35 -!- lsparrish [~luke@184-100-165-22.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 < kanzure> lsparrish: greetings 21:57 -!- Porb__ [~Porbus@c110-22-139-137.mckinn4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:57 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:c9d:6f5:2345:56de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:58 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:26 < justanotheruser> BlueLobster: what 22:44 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:57 < xrr> nmz787: I was also playing with the photoisomerization idea some time ago. But didn't get far. What molecule would you use for the light sensitive part? Ideally it should be something easily switched between two isomers via light. At first I was thinking about retinol. In the eyes, a photon flips 11-cis retinol to all-trans. But then eyes use LRAT and RPE65 to get it to 11-cis again, which is complicated. 23:03 -!- sandeep [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:03 -!- sandeep is now known as Guest73330 23:10 -!- Guest73330 [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30 < lsparrish> hi kanzure 23:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:51 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Wed Jul 29 00:00:25 2015