--- Log opened Sat Aug 08 00:00:34 2015 01:00 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:b1f6:f20:4505:81a] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-201.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:18 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-39.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@baidcd02f1e.bai.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:47 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37 -!- sheena [~home@d162-156-41-12.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:57 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste ] 03:15 < xtalmath> "Lick tiny object to discern if fossil/rock. Fossil. Sticks to tongue. Coughing fit from dust. Sharp inhale. Swallow fossil." how does licking determine this? 03:45 -!- c0rw|zZz is now known as c0rw1n 04:16 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsemipdgehqnxckh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:27 < kanzure> hm 05:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:15 < kanzure> "Ageria: Developing foods beneficial to health and longevity; Aranex Biotech: Creating a Peanut without allergens; BioCellection: Creating an ocean-friendly fish-farming feed that provide the nutritional requirements of commercially farmed fish without relying on by-catch or trawler-caught fish produce; Efflorus: Producing high-value fragrance compounds from micro-organisms; GlowDX: Creating a diagnostic DNA computer for neglected ... 05:15 < kanzure> ... tropical disease; PiLi: Developing colours for manufactures from natural sources that won’t hurt the planet or customers’ pockets; Prospective Research Inc: Working on a revolutionary way to discover new medicines from Streptomyces; Saphium: Designing bioplastic-producing algae that eat CO2 and release cheaply-purifiable plastic granules, ready for big or small manufacturing including 3D printing; Sothic Bioscience: Aiming to ... 05:15 < kanzure> ... save the Horseshoe Crab by creating artificial Limulus Blood;" 05:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.178.11.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:38 -!- drewbug [~drewbug@2601:983:4502:a440:f48b:f50f:51dd:f455] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- drewbug [~drewbug@2601:983:4502:a440:f48b:f50f:51dd:f455] has quit [Changing host] 05:38 -!- drewbug [~drewbug@fsf/member/drewbug] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fsxxfduecusdcczh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:47 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1019:1d00:5150:fd35:4856:8594] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1019:1d00:5150:fd35:4856:8594] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:53 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1019:1d00:5150:fd35:4856:8594] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:12 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pivbjzykptcdjvdl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:43 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:55 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:16 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pivbjzykptcdjvdl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:17 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:34 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:40 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:cba:cfd3:1de0:e4c6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 -!- Dumpster_D1ver [~Vishnu@pool-72-83-63-112.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:03 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has quit [Excess Flood] 09:05 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- drewbug [~drewbug@fsf/member/drewbug] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:11 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|away 09:22 < kanzure> .wik cantor dust 09:22 < yoleaux> "In mathematics, the Cantor set is a set of points lying on a single line segment that has a number of remarkable and deep properties. It was discovered in 1874 by Henry John Stephen Smith and introduced by German mathematician Georg Cantor in 1883." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_dust 09:23 < kanzure> https://sites.google.com/site/xxcantorxdustxx/visual-re 09:24 -!- kish [~oracle@unaffiliated/oracle] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:25 < JayDugger> Really... 09:25 < JayDugger> That's pretty looking, at least. 09:26 -!- kish [~oracle@unaffiliated/oracle] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:28 < JayDugger> Battelle's real enough, and they've done visualization work in the past. 09:28 < JayDugger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bM3Gut1hIk 09:33 < JayDugger> .wik starlight visualization system 09:33 < yoleaux> JayDugger: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 09:33 < JayDugger> .wik starlight information visualization system 09:33 < yoleaux> "Starlight is a software product originally developed at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and now by Future Point Systems. It is an advanced visual analysis environment." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlight_Information_Visualization_System 09:33 < JayDugger> Bad bot. zero snacks. 09:34 < JayDugger> I thought that was Battelle, too. Either my memory's gone to mush, or more likely, the article was wrong. 09:37 < gradstudentbot> Protip: don't trust random pipette tips laying around. 09:44 < kanzure> didn't know about the x86emu plugin for ida 09:45 < JayDugger> Tracked down this: https://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-12/Arsenal/Domas/_cantor.dust_.7z.zip 09:58 < kanzure> good video 10:00 < kanzure> let's dump some dna or amino acid sequences into that 10:00 < JayDugger> Battelle might be doing that. 10:00 < JayDugger> At least their PR flacks hint so. 10:00 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1019:1d00:5150:fd35:4856:8594] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01 < JayDugger> http://www.battelle.org/our-work/health-analytics/data-analytics 10:01 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1019:1d00:491:283b:f527:6ef1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 < JayDugger> https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/speakers/Christopher-Domas.html 10:03 < JayDugger> What the author did this last week. 10:03 < kanzure> might be https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole 10:06 < JayDugger> https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/speakers/Christopher-Domas.html 10:06 < JayDugger> Shit. 10:06 < JayDugger> https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/..cantor.dust.. 10:07 < JayDugger> Bad human. zero snacks. 10:07 < JayDugger> Empty, though. 10:22 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-39.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:38 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-39.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- sheena [~home@d162-156-41-12.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:55 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:03 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:03 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:11 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hthamelscdvejkic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:15 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eaunouuxcgxweybd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:56 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 < chris_99> Can anyone recommend any big chemical companies out of interest other than http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/ 13:07 < yashgaroth> thermo fisher sells everything, including chemicals 13:08 < chris_99> cheers i'll have a look (i'm in the UK) 13:09 < chris_99> seems they have UK brances 13:09 < chris_99> *branches 13:10 < yashgaroth> yeah they're everywhere, also a lot less assholish than sigma when it comes to ordering chems 13:10 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-92-218.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:10 < chris_99> ah neat! 13:11 < chris_99> i noticed alibaba/express have what i want too (iron nanoparticles) 13:14 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-92-218.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 13:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:27 < delinquentme> faaaaak 13:28 < delinquentme> when you find a link to a serum free media that will grow your cells... then fucking lose it 13:32 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33 -!- Dumpster_D1ver [~Vishnu@pool-72-83-63-112.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:37 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Client Quit] 13:43 -!- ekroon [sid27330@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-adysecridsvingmg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 -!- ekroon [sid27330@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-adysecridsvingmg] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 13:49 -!- c0rw|away is now known as c0rw1n 13:57 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsemipdgehqnxckh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:02 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-57-145-87.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-57-145-87.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:02 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:16 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eaunouuxcgxweybd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:17 < archels> .wa is (1/phi) in the Cantor set? 14:17 < yoleaux> archels: Sorry, no result! 14:17 < archels> .wa (1/phi) 14:17 < yoleaux> 1/phi: Plots: http://is.gd/c0ISjI; http://is.gd/M3MjD5; Roots: (no roots exist); Property as a function: odd; Derivative: d/dphi(1/phi) = -1/phi²; Indefinite integral: integral 1/phi dphi = log(phi)+constant; Limit: lim_(phi->±infinity) 1/phi = 0; Series representation: 1/phi = sum_(n=0)^infinity (-1)^n (-1+phi)^n for abs(1-phi)<1 14:18 < archels> grm 14:18 < archels> .wa (1/golden ratio) 14:18 < yoleaux> 1/phi: Decimal approximation: 0.618033988749894848204586834365638117720309179805762862135448...; Alternate forms: 1/2 (sqrt(5)-1); 2/(1+sqrt(5)); sqrt(5)/2-1/2; Number line: http://is.gd/BS0Y6S; Continued fraction: [0; 1^_]; Constant name: golden ratio conjugate; Alternative representations: 1/phi = 1/(2 sin(54°)); 1/phi = -1/(2 cos(216°)); 1/phi = -1/(2 sin(666°)) 14:18 < archels> .wa is (1/golden ratio) in the Cantor set? 14:18 < yoleaux> archels: Sorry, no result! 14:23 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-39.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:34 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:40 < archels> .wa (1/golden ratio) in ternary 14:40 < yoleaux> convert 1/phi to base3: 0.12120011220212...₃; Other base conversions: 0.10011110001101...₂; 0.21320313132123...₄; 0.47433571562775...₈; 0.9e3779b97f4a7c...₁₆ 14:41 < archels> so, probably not then, if I understand correctly? 14:41 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-39.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 15:13 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@91-138-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcisyphrnvgmveje] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: gone] 16:09 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 < xtalmath> delinquentme: you realize you can do ctrl + shift+ t or whatever in most browsers if you lose a tab? 16:12 < delinquentme> xtalmath, yeah i know about it :D thanks ! 16:12 < xtalmath> JayDugger: that memory sinkhole thing is disturbing 16:13 < xtalmath> JayDugger: I don't really see a good way to patch silicon 16:16 < delinquentme> https://www.lifetechnologies.com/order/catalog/product/17504044 16:16 < delinquentme> anyone know if that (50X) means its at 50x concentration ?? 16:19 < FourFire> xtalmath, memory sinkhole? 16:41 < xtalmath> FourFire: (07:06:28 PM) kanzure: might be https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole 16:42 < FourFire> xtalmath, it's x86 specific rowhammer type exploit in cache? 16:43 < FourFire> no, wait, bus ring 16:43 < xtalmath> yes 16:43 < FourFire> literally everything is broken 16:43 < xtalmath> yes 16:43 < xtalmath> all because some legacy circuit for transition period 16:43 < xtalmath> is still present 16:44 < FourFire> even my new i5 5675C is not safe :( 16:45 < xtalmath> when the wrong float op was discovered, pentium gave everyone new CPU right? 16:45 < xtalmath> shouldn't they give us all new ones again? 16:45 < FourFire> xtalmath, they couldn't afford it 16:45 < xtalmath> FourFire: right, so they go out of business 16:46 < xtalmath> sudden flood of highly skilled engineers => new company hires them, and an example is set for not using formal verification to prove security of the silicon 16:47 < FourFire> this particular exploit is impossible on non x86 arch right? 16:48 < FourFire> and it's not possible to, say, patch antivirus software to recognize the particular pattern of bits which contains a rowhammer-type exploit? 16:48 < xtalmath> FourFire: obviously, but there have been similar exploits (but not as universal ones AFAIK) on ARM, mostly through the GPU or other AMBA devices 16:48 < FourFire> yeah of course someone just needs to invent them, but "yet to be invented" doesn't worsen the real threat 16:49 < FourFire> the real threat being this kind of exploit being given to scriptkiddies 16:49 < xtalmath> FourFire: this wasn't rowhammer, rowhammer is specific to RAM 16:49 < FourFire> yes, but it's using the same physical mechanism or a variant thereof to do the thing, right? 16:50 < xtalmath> FourFire: the real threat, that companies don't formally verify their silicon to check if it meets claimed requirements... 16:50 < FourFire> the threat is attackers breaking stuff which society depends on in order to continue existing 16:50 < FourFire> of course this is permitted by what you said 16:50 < xtalmath> FourFire: no, different mechanism, rowhammer relies on the fact of physical proximity of bits, and how closely packed capacitors couple capacitively 16:51 < xtalmath> FourFire: what is permitted by what I say? 16:51 < xtalmath> yes 16:52 < xtalmath> about AV, yeah in theory, but in practice its a cat and mouse game, AV is just a remedy for fundamentally broken systems 16:52 < xtalmath> its a bandage and not prevention 16:52 < FourFire> if there are no working exploits, then it doesn't matter how many skript kiddies are mad-bro, but if they are working and avoidable then bad things happening is dependent on those script kiddies acting 16:52 < FourFire> xtalmath, of course 16:53 < FourFire> I mean all systems are, in some abstract way just bandaids on the problem of fundamentally broken humans 16:53 < xtalmath> FourFire: and depending on companies using formal verification on the complete system, instead of just slapping Trusted Execution stickers wherever a customer might look 16:54 < FourFire> (and I mean that in the transhumanist sense that it should be possible to reengineer people to work properly together) 16:54 < xtalmath> and among the multiple enablers (company, script kiddie), the company is paid to design a secure system... 16:55 < FourFire> sorry, when I last said avoidable, I meant available 16:55 < FourFire> xtalmath, isn't formal verification economically infeasible for most systems? 16:56 < FourFire> (but yeah, x86 should surely have been passed through at some point) 16:56 < xtalmath> FourFire: that is a popular illusion 16:56 < FourFire> xtalmath, I'm not sure I understand, but then I'm very much not a programmer type 16:58 < FourFire> you need to try every possible input into a system 16:58 < xtalmath> FourFire: it boils down to this, not so long ago, nobody was wearing seat belts, not just because they didn't feel like it, but because cars did not have them yet. it may seem a bit expensive and inconvenient, but statistically speaking, it is cheaper and more convenient 16:58 < FourFire> and see whether all things which should logically fail, actually do fail, and gracefully 16:58 < FourFire> not popping out something unexpected 16:59 < xtalmath> FourFire: you do not need to try every possible input, you can design the architecture in a way such that you know it will be efficient to formally verify... 16:59 < FourFire> uhh 16:59 < FourFire> the whole point of still using x86 subverts that reasoning neatly 17:00 < juri_> i'm still learning haskel, then HHDL. do i have to learn idris as well? 17:00 < xtalmath> not sure if I understand your last point? 17:00 < FourFire> Yes I agree, we should make a system which is easy to verify if safe, but the reason we are still using x86 is for legacy reasons, even when serious performance penalties result 17:01 < FourFire> gtg now 17:01 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@91-138-11.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 17:01 < kanzure> formal verification is pretty neat black magic. 17:02 < xtalmath> yup 17:03 < juri_> a language with built in verification is neat. 17:04 < kanzure> on the other hand, just raising (hardware) exceptions and handling them is probably way faster than whatever the architecture would be required to keep all your bits and bytes correct 17:06 < xtalmath> kanzure: formal verification does not preclude exception handling, it just gives a way to check if the resulting circuits satisfy the requirements we choose, so sure, have exception handling, but check if it still meets the requirements 17:06 < kanzure> python-written disassembler with idapython-compatibility https://github.com/pfalcon/ScratchABit 17:06 < xtalmath> an exception should never become a carte blanche to exploit the device 17:07 < yashgaroth> delinquentme: that supplement is at 50x the working concentration, yes, but if you're planning to use it for the rpe-1 cell line, be aware that literature references to using b-27 is just for RPE cells in general, not that cell line 17:07 < delinquentme> right 17:07 < delinquentme> thanks yashgaroth 17:08 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:14 < kanzure> arm serial wire debug protocol implemented in python https://github.com/pfalcon/PySWD 17:28 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=cf752d13 Bryan Bishop: include link to slides for lightning network presentation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2015-05-26-lightning-network/ 17:28 -!- nsh is now known as nshpie91 17:31 -!- nshpie91 is now known as nsh 17:32 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@baidcd02f1e.bai.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:39 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcisyphrnvgmveje] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:40 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@hccd37dda12.bai.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:48 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-204-219-148.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-159-69-81.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 18:14 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22 -!- c0rw1n_ [~c0rw1n@122.119-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@122.119-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-39.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:33 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:41 -!- c0rw1n_ is now known as c0rw1n 18:47 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:52 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:06 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIOEikWUVA 19:06 < kanzure> .title 19:06 < yoleaux> Galactic Empire Propaganda - Broadcast #1 - YouTube 19:09 < kanzure> come on you wookies, do you want to live forever? 19:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:34 < kanzure> .wik deconcentration of attention 19:34 < yoleaux> "Deconcentration of attention" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconcentration_of_attention 19:35 < kanzure> http://deconcentration-of-attention.com/ 19:40 < kanzure> "It is typically considered that “automatic” or “reflectory” skills, such as driving are acquired via long repetitive training [18]. The research on deconcentration states [3] that this training time could be significantly reduced and that in some cases, a skill could even be acquired without any repetition." 19:40 < kanzure> nah i'm sure the jet is just like the manual described, don't worry about it 19:42 < kanzure> "One way to approach such a skill is to start with code that is only two screens long. Keep scrolling between the first and second screen while looking through the code and notice the sensation that you know what is on the other screen, which is not currently displayed. Then try this task with three screens and so on. Eventually this skill can be evolved to the point when you can browse very large amount of code and still somehow know ... 19:42 < kanzure> ... what to expect from it." 19:42 < kanzure> er somehow i don't think you need that exercise to demonstrate that point 19:47 < kanzure> "Will appears to be related to the pure semantics mental level. Will can be perceived as an active manifestation of pure semantics. Pure semantics is experienced as a mental sensation of some “meaning” or “sense” of something. The pure semantics mental level has a unique “meaning” for everything. This “meaning” sensation turning into active force – this is will." 19:47 < kanzure> er, well ok i guess 20:11 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 21:19 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hthamelscdvejkic] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:35 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvevfrvtxqjmpynh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:04 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vcjzlcdmjveoycmk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:06 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06 -!- poohbear is now known as StuffedBear 22:16 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@hccd37dda12.bai.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 22:39 -!- StuffedBear is now known as poohdetective 22:41 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@hccd37dda12.bai.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:30 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@hccd37dda12.bai.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] --- Log closed Sun Aug 09 00:00:35 2015