--- Log opened Wed Aug 19 00:00:45 2015 00:06 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:13 < maaku> *someone bothered to fund a sandwich making machine 00:14 < maaku> "The ethical concerns were non-existent, said Anand" <--- hahahahahaha 00:15 < maaku> Wow they are in for a wake-up call. 00:15 < xrr> Inspired by https://xkcd.com/149/ ? 00:17 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:37 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:38 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:01 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:01 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:03 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:56 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:59 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:19 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:38 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjqksaqlzqmotvna] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:40 -!- zadock [~outsider@5-13-135-211.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:48 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:01 -!- fleshtheworld- [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:c16c:64ec:1bc5:14fe] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:01 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:c16c:64ec:1bc5:14fe] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:03 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-83-218.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:04 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:05 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:08 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-83-218.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:09 -!- zadock [~outsider@5-13-135-211.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:13 < xtalmath> "For now, the team say they are focusing on using the brain for military research, to understand the effect of post traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injuries." yeah right, probably something more like "to understand the cause of free will disorder and disobedience injuries" 03:26 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@114.163.133.27.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 03:28 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opldaozgcbpysprk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:00 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:14 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@197.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:17 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@197.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 04:58 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:24 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@139.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 < kanzure> can't believe you guys are more concerned about ethics of that. what's wrong with you people. 06:02 -!- fleshtheworld- [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:c16c:64ec:1bc5:14fe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07 < JayDugger> Just a quick question, xtalmath--how many people do you know who've been in the military? 06:08 < JayDugger> Never mind. I apologize for asking a question I know baits flame. 06:08 < xtalmath> quite some, belgium used to have military duty 06:09 < xtalmath> but decisions are made near the top, so knowing few or many people in the military is not really a proof of authority 06:15 < xtalmath> also, his definition of consciousness is not at all scientific. by that token sensory deprivation is not torture because the captive is not conscious at all during sensory deprivation... 06:23 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-83-229.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d162-156-106-225.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:34 < kanzure> beep boop 07:53 < eudoxia> hey kanzure, what do you think of the current bitcoin happening 07:56 < kanzure> eudoxia: http://gendal.me/2015/08/17/brief-thoughts-on-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate/ 08:00 < kanzure> and https://medium.com/@sdaftuar/how-the-bitcoin-experiment-might-fail-7f6c24f99ecf 08:00 < eudoxia> thank you 08:04 < kanzure> also this page is usually pleasant reading https://www.reddit.com/user/nullc 08:11 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10085700 08:11 < yoleaux> Mozilla's Servo Engine Now Capable of Rendering GitHub | Hacker News 08:43 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:45 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:45 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:53 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@139.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 08:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:55 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfnbrzglrvpudhvi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@163.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d162-156-106-225.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:16 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 09:24 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@163.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 09:39 < kanzure> "S3 is designed to provide 99.999999999% durability of objects over a given year. This durability level corresponds to an average annual expected loss of 0.000000001% of objects. For example, if you store 10,000 objects with Amazon S3, you can on average expect to incur a loss of a single object once every 10,000,000 years." 09:50 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjqksaqlzqmotvna] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:55 < juri_> FWIW, i completely agree with xtalmath's concerns. 09:56 < juri_> and i was in the military, along with both of my parents, a long slew of aunts and uncles and cousins and grandparents.. 09:59 < kanzure> "The Digital Manufacturing and Design Innovation Institute (DMDII) is hosting a workshop on September 23rd in Chicago to support its Digital Manufacturing Commons (DMC) project. The DMC is an open-source software system for connecting people, analysis, and data in the manufacturing sector. The DMDII currently has an open solicitation for up to $2 million for innovative projects that integrate or build “apps” on top of the DMC. The ... 09:59 < kanzure> ... purpose of the workshop is to demonstrate the technology, get community input on the technology roadmap, and host a live install party! More at http://www.projectdmc.org/workshop/." 10:00 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: that was an ex-DARPA or currently-DARPA project that was big into open-source hardware. since they are local to you perhaps you'd like an intro..? 10:18 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-234-48-56.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:23 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-166-100-108.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:30 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-83-229.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:52 -!- sh|tmp [~sh@89.101.222.213] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:52 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:52 -!- sh|tmp is now known as sh 10:54 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:58 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:13 -!- sandeep [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:13 -!- sandeep [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14 -!- sandeep [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:14 -!- sandeep is now known as Guest84467 11:14 -!- Guest84467 [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:23 < kanzure> eudoxia: also http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010439.html and http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010447.html 11:26 -!- akash89 [~akash89@177.242.161.250] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:30 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-106-225.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: I had a long chat with them last year at Radtech. So say I do all the work, same as with https://americamakes.us/ what do I get in return? 11:53 < CaptHindsight> vs http://en.njnhz.gov.cn/col/cols1790/index.html The “321” Plan 11:55 < CaptHindsight> I have to pay to play and share with two of them, and one pays me to to the same. 12:01 < maaku> kanzure: i'm just saying that they are absolutely ignoring ethics and making no attempt whatsoever to credibly address ethical concerns 12:01 < maaku> not commenting on whether I think it's ok or not 12:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 12:12 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: you don't have to do all the work, but you can steal whoever they hire 12:14 < CaptHindsight> this sounds like it was written by an HR manager: http://dmdii.uilabs.org/projects/calls/hardware-software-toolkit-for-real-time-machine-and-process-diagnostics-monitoring-and-self-correction 12:15 < kanzure> for your amusement you can lookup "darpa vehicleforge" and uh... um.. ah, "darpa ifab". 12:15 < kanzure> uilabs is where this darpa project has been homed for now 12:15 < CaptHindsight> "machine no work right, make machine work more better" 12:16 < kanzure> "make ship go" 12:16 < kanzure> 12:17 < CaptHindsight> America Makes is even worse 12:18 < kanzure> i don't have any leads on a chemist at the moment 12:18 < CaptHindsight> I pay to join, share my research with large OEM's, not sure what the step #3 is, oh yeah, feel good that a large OEM is using your research 12:20 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: once the Chemistry is worked out, what's the next step? 12:20 < kanzure> i would expect the chemist to help out on the design for gene assembly. i'd probably start pinging you to see when you're available and get back on the contract chain. 12:20 < kanzure> *contract train 12:21 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: sorry, I meant after the printer and chemistry works 12:22 < kanzure> oh, next machines? 12:23 < CaptHindsight> whats the plan to link the oligos into longer oligos? light guided? electrostatic? broomsticks and squeegees? 12:24 < kanzure> one of the following methods: dna ligase cycling reaction, gibson assembly, er... a few other methods that i completely forget the name of.. i should write this down huh. 12:25 < CaptHindsight> cross that bridge when you get there 12:25 < kanzure> t12 from cambrian genomics was claiming that there number one problem was that they didn't plan that part out, they spent millions of bucks on that 12:26 < CaptHindsight> I've poked around a bit and this where everyone gets a bit tight lipped about details, not this group, just supposed synthetic DNA peddlers 12:29 < CaptHindsight> I'll have to run the numbers on technique vs chem costs at some point 12:29 < kanzure> well, they were just pipetting stuff into different thermocyclers 12:29 < kanzure> which is not something that scales to 100's of thousands of reactions 12:30 < kanzure> and also, fenn seems to think (perhaps correctly...) that pipetting from individual inkjetted spots is not a practical technique. 12:31 < CaptHindsight> lets chat about it later this week 12:31 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 -!- skysedge [~skysedge@cpc66884-mort6-2-0-cust376.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 < CaptHindsight> there are several suppliers of chems for blockers, de-blockers, cappers etc 12:35 < kanzure> yep 12:35 < kanzure> azco biotech and glen research seem to be the contenders for this 12:35 < CaptHindsight> I recall several others but I'll look at it again soon 12:36 < kanzure> skysedge: hi 12:36 < CaptHindsight> bbl 12:38 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfnbrzglrvpudhvi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:44 < skysedge> kanzure: hey man! 12:56 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zispusarlpolltag] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:20 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:21 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 < kanzure> http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150818-chimps-living-in-the-stone-age 13:32 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:34 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-83-229.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:00 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-83-229.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:24 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < kanzure> "Global computation" http://lucacardelli.name/Papers/GlobalComputation.A4.pdf 14:37 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:8d97:9ef1:dab0:13aa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:48 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanning_Tree_Protocol 14:48 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_routing 14:49 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wklklsczumqwcntq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 < ryankarason> @stone-age, interesting read 15:00 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:01 < ryankarason> we have also shown that chimpanzees can learn sign language 15:01 < ryankarason> i don't understand why we spend so much time asking ourselves, 'why don`t these creatures use sophisticated tools' when we could be just spending the time teaching them to use them... 15:01 < archels> ryankarason: that hasn't been shown very conclusively 15:02 < ryankarason> archels: which hasn't? 15:02 < archels> signing chimps 15:02 < ryankarason> and what of signing gorillas? 15:02 < ryankarason> i mean.. what constitutes 'conclusive evidence' for you? 15:02 < archels> well, these discussions quickly devolute into the definition of "language" 15:03 < ryankarason> and in my opinion, people think much too highly of human language.. as if it is something special.. 15:03 < ryankarason> language is just sharing information. 15:03 < ryankarason> mimcry is intelligence. 15:04 < ryankarason> s/mimcry/mimicry 15:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04 < fenn> prediction 15:04 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05 < archels> "x is intelligence" goes for a countless number of x 15:05 < archels> intelligence is just a bag of tricks, as Dennett says 15:05 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05 < ryankarason> intelligence is a vastless dimension attribute. 15:06 < ryankarason> aye.. it is all intelligence.. that i why i think we should quit arguing /what/ it is.. and just increase the potential for things to do stuff. 15:06 < ryankarason> teach animals to use tools, seems interesting. 15:06 < ryankarason> teach language to as many creatures as possible. 15:06 < archels> if it's a bag of tricks, shouldn't we be discussing more what it is, and try to figure out all the components so we can replicate them in software/robots? 15:06 < ryankarason> determine what would be the best mthod of langauge for a particular type of creatue, based on its anatomy and environment 15:07 < archels> lots of hippies spent a lot of time trying to teach animals stuff. I think they were mostly disappointed in the end 15:07 < ryankarason> life is full of disappointments.. it doesn't mean quit trying. 15:07 < ryankarason> and imo computers are pretty smart.. what else do they need to do for people to consider them as such? 15:07 < archels> do you think a smarter chimp will suddenly come along 15:08 < archels> computers are just mechanical calculators, they're not inherently smart 15:08 < archels> there's some software which is pretty impressive in narrow domains 15:09 < ryankarason> humans are just biomechanical calculators, they're not inherently smart 15:09 < archels> humans are inherently smart. Just place one before a problem and see what happens. 15:11 < ryankarason> take a human, grow it in a black box.. let it out of the cave.. and it'll be quite dumb. 15:13 < archels> what is your point 15:14 < archels> humans can be smart at situations that they've never encountered before 15:14 < archels> (likewise for lower animals) 15:14 < archels> computers cannot, unless of course they're running the right kind of software 15:14 < kanzure> whenever i talk to the swhackians about language they are really big into the chomsky genetic language component philosophy stuff 15:15 < kanzure> but really language evolved by a series of coincidences and "accidents" just like weak foreheads 15:15 < ryankarason> my point is, that i believe, if you raise animals in a human-like environment for a long while, and you tailor your teachings to the anatomy and such of the animals they will appear very similiar in intellect to a human. 15:15 < kanzure> sure if you breed them for clever 15:15 < ryankarason> i think they are clever enough already. 15:15 < ryankarason> they just need to right help. 15:16 < ryankarason> if it wasn't for someone wasting their time teaching me things.. i'd be an idiot (though maybe i am anyway) 15:16 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:16 < ryankarason> language to me is a way to compress information in the brain. which from the outside makes me seem 'smarter' because i 'know' more. 15:17 < kanzure> i strongly doubt that compression had a stronger effect than group coordination 15:17 < ryankarason> and it allows me to gain new knowledge in a indirect way through the expression of language and not direct experience. 15:17 < ryankarason> group coordination i think we can help work on too 15:17 < kanzure> alright you're just ranting i think 15:18 < ryankarason> sure fine. 15:18 * ryankarason zips his lips 15:19 < archels> ryankarason: I reject your assertion that animals can be made as smart as humans just by sufficient teaching and exposure 15:19 < archels> some animals are good at doing narrow-domain things 15:19 < archels> but the fact is that humans are qualitatively smarter than every single known animal on the planet 15:22 < xtalmath> archels: people used to say the same about african slaves... just saying 15:24 < kanzure> so your claim is that african slaves are not good at doing narrow-domain things? 15:24 < kanzure> wtf? 15:25 < xtalmath> I think the day human education from baby/toddler to reader has been automated in the form of a computer game with rewards, lots of animals will turn out to be more intelligent than we currently think, when we give them time and resources to learn 15:26 < kanzure> are you an uplifter 15:26 < xtalmath> what is an uplifter? 15:26 < kanzure> .wik uplift (science fiction) 15:26 < yoleaux> "In science fiction, uplift is a developmental process to transform a certain species of animals into sentient beings by other, already-intelligent beings. This is usually accomplished by evolutional interventions like genetic engineering but any fictional or real process can be used." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uplift_(science_fiction) 15:27 < kanzure> in particular some people believe very strongly that all animals should be uplifted 15:27 < kanzure> even boring worms should be uploaded into the computational cloud heaven that circles venus or something 15:27 < kanzure> er, both uploaded and uplifted 15:28 < kanzure> it's sort of a radical veganism i guess 15:28 < xtalmath> expressing what I predict to be the case is not the same as expressing what I want to be the case 15:29 < xtalmath> anyway, I think lots of animals will be uploaded, but only a few individuals, for research purpouses before we try it on humans... 15:31 < xtalmath> lots of people will prefer to hear a description of the subjective experience of uploading from an uplifted animal, in lack of a first human volunteer... 15:32 < xtalmath> uplifting will happen for many reasons, but I predict few of them will be out of compassion 15:36 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:36 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Client Quit] 15:39 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:39 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@147.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 -!- nmz787_w [c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:49 < nmz787_w> 'during the test and debug of the FPGA, the logic cell fabric was randomly connected and disconnected, because the chips were never brought into a board design, no ethical concerns were raised when the prototypes were discarded' <---- that seems to be the analogous argument 15:50 < kanzure> this is like claiming that if you have a big enough number it might represent the state transition of an organism in immense amount of pain, and therefore mathematicians have an ethical obligation to only work with numbers smaller than 1e200 15:52 -!- skysedge [~skysedge@cpc66884-mort6-2-0-cust376.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:20 -!- dingo_ [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:21 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:33 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:38 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:11 -!- nmz787_w [c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:23 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqhckmvfwgkzoayl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 < kanzure> proposal for convincing others to write summaries of bitcoin-dev mailing list activity, rather than digest mode http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010488.html 17:28 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-83-218.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:36 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zispusarlpolltag] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:39 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:43 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:57 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:57 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:01 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@adsl-75-49-211-45.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:01 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:04 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:05 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Client Quit] 18:07 < abetusk> kanzure, why is that so absurd? 18:14 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- sheena [~home@d162-156-32-180.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:49 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05 < kanzure> abetusk: summaries are not absurd 19:05 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:08 < nmz787> borp 19:14 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:50 -!- sheena [~home@d162-156-32-180.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:51 -!- akash89 [~akash89@177.242.161.250] has quit [] 20:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- renderedelite [~renderede@50.245.73.187] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:09 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12 -!- renderedelite [~renderede@50.245.73.187] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:15 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqhckmvfwgkzoayl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:52 < nmz787> .wik coupon pwb 20:52 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 20:52 < nmz787> .wik coupon(pwb) 20:52 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 20:52 < nmz787> .wik coupon 20:52 < yoleaux> "In marketing, a coupon is a ticket or document that can be redeemed for a financial discount or rebate when purchasing a product." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon 20:52 < nmz787> .wik coupon(pwb) 20:52 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 20:52 < nmz787> .wik coupon\(pwb\) 20:52 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 20:52 < nmz787> .wik coupon\\(pwb\\) 20:52 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that command (.wik) crashed. 20:52 < nmz787> .wik "coupon pwb" 20:52 < yoleaux> ... 20:53 < nmz787> .wik "coupon (pwb)" 20:53 < yoleaux> "A coupon or test coupon is a printed circuit board (PCB) used to test the quality of the fabrication process used to develop printed wiring boards (PWB). Test coupons are typically fabricated on the same panel as the PWBs, typically at the edges." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_(PWB) 20:53 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54 < nmz787> I wish I got those kind of coupons in the mail every week 20:54 < nmz787> :/ 20:54 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:54 < gradstudentbot> My PI went fishing in 1987 for proteins associated with cancer. He hasn't returned yet. 20:54 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: "coupon (pwb)" 20:54 < gradstudentbot> This laproscopic camera is so easy to use. 20:55 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: when you developed it, did the EE use a "coupon (pwb)" to test sig-int? 20:55 < gradstudentbot> I'll be at the microscope. 20:56 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: does that have differential interference contrast (DIC)? 20:56 < gradstudentbot> Hey, does anyone have an extra undergrad? 20:56 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: I wish! 20:56 < gradstudentbot> Apparently my PI got this grant back in 1961. I think ARPA has forgotten about the lab and everything. 20:56 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: haha, nice... guess you're happy then? 20:56 < gradstudentbot> Blah, why won't they just kick me out. 20:56 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: I see then. 20:56 < gradstudentbot> They're not recording lectures so now I have to go to class every day. 20:56 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: that sounds horrible! 20:56 < gradstudentbot> Where did all my bands go? 20:57 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: probably to that class... 20:57 < gradstudentbot> Where did all my bands go? 20:57 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: probably to that class... 20:57 < gradstudentbot> His lab is so awkward. 21:00 < nmz787> gradstudentbot: ever tried mouse jerky? 21:00 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it should take me about 2 days. 21:04 < kanzure> poor gradstudentbot 21:04 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I'm familiar with the technique. Sort of. 21:04 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:57 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-106-225.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Beatzebub] 22:46 < nmz787> kanzure: thoughts on this??? "Filament raises $5M to bring the blockchain to the Internet of things " 22:46 < nmz787> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10079729 22:46 < yoleaux> Filament raises $5M to bring the blockchain to the Internet of things | Hacker News 22:46 < nmz787> http://www.coindesk.com/filament-nets-5-million-for-blockchain-based-internet-of-things-hardware/ 22:48 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50 < nmz787> http://www.coindesk.com/filament-nets-5-million-for-blockchain-based-internet-of-things-hardware/ 22:50 < nmz787> whoops 22:52 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste] 23:15 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@147.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 23:40 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-njclsvqtllslrtbb] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Aug 20 00:00:46 2015