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05:41 < fenn> machine workout video, with customer service! featuring oversize machines and spindle swapping. (brought to you by the color chrome yellow) http://youtu.be/J0CfHFzW2Qk
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07:40 < kanzure> let's do that stuff
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07:49 < kanzure> "automatic tool change... BUT AROUND CURVED WALLS."
07:53 < kanzure> seems to be for whole-floor tool change routing for all spindles
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07:59 < Betawolf> http://www.nature.com/articles/srep12488
08:00 < kanzure> .title
08:00 < yoleaux> A Magnetic Wormhole : Scientific Reports
08:00 < kanzure> http://www.techinsider.io/billionaires-who-want-to-live-forever-2015-9
08:00 < pasky> h, it's a czech company!
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08:11 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDwzmJpI4io
08:11 < yoleaux> A Conversation with Elon Musk - YouTube
08:12 < pasky> thank god for google auto-transcripts
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10:09 < kanzure> sorta preachy but ignore the preachy parts http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-new-monastic-individuals-as-the-change-agents-for-this-transition-period/2012/07/04
10:13 < kanzure> "A comprehensive comparison of the Sun to other stars: searching for self-selection effects" http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.2962
10:13 < kanzure> "A Larger Estimate of the Entropy of the Universe" http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.3983v1
10:14 < kanzure> "Life, gravity and the second law of thermodynamics" http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/papers/LineweaverEgan2008v2.pdf
10:16 < kanzure> other fun things http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/publications.html
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11:09 < nsh> what are self-selection effects?
11:09 < nsh> is this some attempt to rehabilitate the anthropic principle to be scientific?
11:09  * nsh expresses preemptive dubiety
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11:10 < nsh> oh, this is pretty sensible from the abstract
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11:18 < delinquentme> why does it seem like a billion things can go wrong in the process of getting things secreted from cells?
11:23 < kanzure> because humans have a hard time distinguishing between 2 million things and 1 billion things
11:33 < delinquentme> so what you're trying to say is theres only about 500 million things that can go wrong
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11:34 < kanzure> you could always run a selection project to get something reliably secreted from a cell
11:34 < kanzure> but setup for selection projects is often ugh
11:35 < kanzure> a good selection project saves a million hours in the library
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12:10 < delinquentme> kanzure, you're thinking this is transient or genomic integrated vector ( in the selection project )
12:10 < delinquentme> you're saying that the selection is just lots of permutations on all the different genetic components to get high expression
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12:13 < kanzure> eh more like "be creative about ways to use bruteforcing and mutation to your advantage to get transmembrane protein channels for pumping out your desired molecules"
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12:19 < delinquentme> large scale screening in something like this would be handy ... like take an input sequence .. get it secreting. change shit in the different parts of that sequence then see what changes in the expression
12:19 < delinquentme> slash secretion
12:20 < delinquentme> that would give us a really solid mapping of what influences or prevents secretion
12:20 < kanzure> there's many different existing secretion systems
12:20 < kanzure> a few of them work by just attaching some random linker protein to your target, and it poops out no problem
12:20 < kanzure> unfortunately i forget the names of these secretion systems and you'll have to pester yashgaroth
12:21 < kanzure> (although there's probably no secretion system that works for all possible targets)
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12:41 < kanzure> generic distributed systems book from stripe http://book.mixu.net/distsys/intro.html
12:42 < kanzure> "live interactive grep of linux kernel source code" http://livegrep.com/search/linux
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12:44 < kanzure> "That's... a bizarre argument. You might as well argue that since heavier-than-air-flight is a search problem over an effectively infinite, high-dimensional landscape of possible machines - and that since it took evolution billions of years to produce birds, we have little chance of stumbling upon a working design for a wing."
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16:27 < Etman> hi
16:27 < kanzure> greetings
16:30 < Etman> how are they?
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16:38 < kanzure> alright
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17:07 < kanzure> multi-chain payment channel network stuff http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-September/010909.html
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17:17 < kanzure> yashgaroth: delinquentme is interested in clever secretion systems
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17:18 < rancyd> hi all
17:19 < kanzure> greets
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17:21 < yashgaroth> well he appears to be out so I'll just chillax here
17:22 < rancyd> is the wiki a component of cgit?
17:24 < kanzure> wiki is a git repository
17:24 < kanzure> cgit displays git repositories
17:25 < kanzure> github also displays repositories: https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki
17:31 < rancyd> gotcha, what software are you using for the wiki? im just curious because i am setting up a site myself that really just needs a multiuser wiki and git server/browser, and yours seems very minimalist which is nice
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17:32 < kanzure> ikiwiki
17:32 < kanzure> whole thing is piny
17:32 < kanzure> http://piny.be/ahl/architecture/
17:32 < rancyd> oh cool, thank you
17:33 < kanzure> wait, that's not the right wiki
17:35 < jrayhawk> http://piny.be/
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17:37 < rancyd> do you deploy piny on your own server?
17:41 < kanzure> yes piny is running on that server
17:44 < rancyd> cool, thanks for the info
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17:50 < jrayhawk> http://piny.be/piny-code/docs/install_notes.txt my documentation on it is sort of bad because i am the only person who has thusfar deployed it, AFAIK
17:50 < jrayhawk> that said, it is used all over the place, including for freedesktop.org
17:52 < rancyd> oh nice, that looks really helpful
17:54 < rancyd> did you happen to test with jessie at all?
17:56 < jrayhawk> That's a good question. I think there were some brief problems with mod-auth-pam and mod-auth-sys-group packaging; let me go see if any of those installs are up to date...
17:57 < rancyd> k, thnx
18:01 < jrayhawk> So I don't currently have any fully functioning jessie deployments, but it looks like okay, looks like the functionality for libapache2-mod-auth-sys-group has been replaced by libapache2-mod-authz-unixgroup, so I don't forsee major problems other than that.
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18:02 < jrayhawk> s/looks like okay, //
18:02 < jrayhawk> I think I last tested jessie back when the apache 2.2->2.4 transition was going on.
18:03 < jrayhawk> jessie-or-equivalent-sid
18:06 < jrayhawk> oh, i don't have instructions for suexecing cgit, there
18:06 < jrayhawk> ugh
18:06 < jrayhawk> documentation is hard
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18:08 < rancyd> hm, okay i should be able to figure that out. i like documentation, i will probably document my efforts if succuessful
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18:11 < jrayhawk> Apache actually makes privilege separation bafflingly difficult; I had to shim suexec with https://secure.piny.be/cgit/insecuresuexec/ to get cgit working with e.g. core.sharedrepository=0660 or 0640
18:11 < jrayhawk> but if you aren't running any such repositories, you don't need to care
18:13 < jrayhawk> privilege separation is sortof a good idea if you're in a shared execution environment anyway, what with apache handling pam credentials.
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18:16 < kanzure> "The success of fixed wing aircraft is not an ideal metaphor for the failures of AI research. Nor do the successes of neural nets herald the biomorphic approach, since they don't really resemble the brain very much."
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18:25 < rancyd> gotcha, thanks again jrayhawk
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18:31 < abetusk> kanzure, where is that quote from?
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18:34 < kanzure> abetusk: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10165586
18:34 < kanzure> but poor thread comments, is very ugh
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19:22 < kanzure> hi zamanfou
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21:01 < kanzure> bloop
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21:06 < justanotheruser> bleep
21:08 < heath> boom
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21:19 < kanzure> "bonded deployment" and rollout of bips to avoid soft-fork bit exhaustion or soft-fork bit meaning confusion http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/09/04#l1441334584.0
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