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05:48 < kanzure> "the demolished man"'s summary looks too much like a heist movie
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05:50 < drethelin> it's kind of hesity
05:50 < drethelin> heisty
05:51 < drethelin> Telepathy is a hard power to take seriously in fiction
05:52 < kanzure> " and they claim that multichannel cochlear implants based on flexible μLED arrays are technically feasible. Thompson et al. (2014). Optical stimulation of neurons. Current Molecular Imaging, 2014, 3, 162-177 describe a variety of ways photons can replace electrons to stimulate nerves, including the possibilities to develop “optrode” arrays with microlithic fabrication technologies."
05:52 < kanzure> (a random claim of optogenetics/cochlear implants)
05:53 < kanzure> drethelin: hm, i don't think so- person-to-person communication already happens with other devices, why would it be so hard to think those devices would be in someone's head?
05:53 < drethelin> telepathy as in mindreading
05:53 < drethelin> telepathy as in just mind communication happens all the time
05:53 < kanzure> and "mind reading" is a very simple trick, you just have to know every stimuli the other person has ever been exposed to, problem solved
05:55 < kanzure> "but it's not like people are pervasively recording and surveilling all their data!!"
05:56 < kanzure> what were we complaining about, again?
05:57  * archels hides his pupil size
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06:46 < kanzure> fenn: i need some ideas for how to organize my 2000 bitcoin tech bookmarks into a legible form on a wiki page
06:46 < kanzure> i was thinking something like this, http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/#igem-2014
06:46 < kanzure> with a one-sentence summary per link
06:46 < kanzure> but need ideas
06:46 < kanzure> also, hi tallakahath
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07:09 < c0rw1n> idea : mind-mapping ?
07:09 < c0rw1n> "this is related to that through this"
07:09 < kanzure> here is the raw data http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/bitcoin-selected-bookmarks.2015-09-09.txt
07:09 < c0rw1n> great big graph
07:10 < kanzure> i am not a big fan of mind mapping, my graphs always become over-saturated
07:11 < c0rw1n> mh :(
07:28 < cpopell3> tagging w faceted search doesn't work on wiki I guess
07:28 < kanzure> well i was thinking something like "even if i keep the tags, i still should write summaries [or something]" and i don't know what the "or something" looks like
07:31 < c0rw1n> maybe just a title for each ? taking a random one,  "kuylsknk" is tagged "bitcointalk bitcoin mywallet web-wallets security gmaxwell luke-jr ripper234 ron-gross centralization analysis" and that rings all of zero bells for me without going to read the thread
07:33 < kanzure> web-wallets/security are the operable tags there
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08:09 < kanzure> "The position wobble idea might be based on a misapprehension of what gravity waves do in the space they pass through. The analogy with a 2-d elastic sheet being distorted does not in general carry to 3+1 dimensions in a way that matches our geometric intuitions neatly. It is possible that wavelengths of incident light shift up then down very briefly (like compression and rarefaction of pressure waves for sound) without (the detection ...
08:09 < kanzure> ... of) object position changing."
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08:32 < tallakahath> hi kanzure !
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09:02 < JayDugger> Do modern browsers have a standard format for bookmarks?
09:02 < c0rw1n> no
09:05 < JayDugger> <!DOCTYPE NETSCAPE-Bookmark-file-1>
09:08 < JayDugger> That looks like an interchangeable format, though I don't know what the browsers might use internally.
09:09 < JayDugger> Anyway, back to the problem. What's wrong with a chronological list, a one sentence summary for each item, and as few "operable tags" as possible?
09:10 < JayDugger> Yeah, that's a lot of work, but I volunteer kanzure for curator of that list.
09:12 < JayDugger> If you import those bookmarks into a mind map, you can organize them with attribute of tag:<tag name>, arrange them in a preferred hierarchy (time?), and then use the mind map program to filter the map by whatever query you like.
09:13 < JayDugger> All nodes (bookmarks) tagged with *wallet* and their parents back to the root node, say, which should give you some idea about the development of the idea of wallets over time.
09:14 < JayDugger> That's even more work than the earlier suggestion, and I again volunteer kanzure.
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09:22 < kanzure> not convinced about the utility of mindmaps
09:26 < JayDugger> Agreed. I think the list would work better.
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09:43 < c0rw1n> depends how one thinks i spose
09:43 < c0rw1n> i'd have a much easier time parsing a graph than a list but that might be just me
09:45 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/bitcoin-selected-bookmarks.2015-09-09.yaml
09:45 < kanzure> generated by http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/jotmuch_yaml_export_by_url.py
09:45 < c0rw1n> but then i clearly can't contribute to bitcoin tech discussion except by cheerleading so it could be net wasteful to optimize communications for my brain specifically
09:46 < cluckj> lol
09:46 < cluckj> all those data-crunching methods produce different kinds of results from the same material
09:51 < cluckj> kanzure, how do those various links make sense to you? like...what is important about how you tagged them?
09:53 < kanzure> cluckj: i tagged them with relevant names... what do you mean?
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09:56 < kanzure> paperbot needs a new home
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10:01 < cluckj> by the people in them, or by who would be interested in them?
10:01 < kanzure> oh, when there are names of people, it's the people that appear on the page that say relevant things
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10:04 < cluckj> oh
10:04 < cluckj> hmm
10:07 < cluckj> I dunno if a concept map would be good to put them all into a wiki
10:09 < cluckj> assuming that's what y'all mean by mind map?
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10:11 < cluckj> http://cmap.ihmc.us/docs/cmaptools-concept-map
10:11 < cluckj> something like that...
10:12 < cluckj> for me at least, the act of making a concept map is itself a way to figure out how the data should be structured
10:22 < kanzure> "Signatures of correct computation" http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.303.8178&rep=rep1&type=pdf
11:04 < jrayhawk> diyhpl.us wikis have <map>-enabled graphviz generation, if that helps
11:04 < kanzure> i think that people are just trying to get around the whole "put in lots of time and energy into writing summaries thing", which is not going to work
11:05 < kanzure> someone in -wizards proposed cron + email to randomly pester a random person from a list to make *them* do the writing work -_-
11:05 < cluckj> lol
11:06 < kanzure> to be fair, i did propose that we should hire greg egan to do summaries of hplusroadmap logs
11:10 < cluckj> classy
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11:39 < noaptebuna> Hola
11:43 < kanzure> noaptebuna: hi
11:44 < fenn> for bitcoin bookmarks you'd want both the actual title of the page/thread, (assuming there is one) and a summary of what you think it's about. there should be an auto-generated list of bookmarks for each tag, and a list of tags sorted by frequency. clicking on a tag below the bookmark should go to that bookmark in the list of bookmarks with that tag, which is sorted by date or something
11:44 < fenn> so you can surf related tags fairly easily
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11:48 < fenn> also date refers to the date of the referent of the bookmark, not the date the bookmark itself was created
11:48 < kanzure> i think the summaries are the mainly interesting item there
11:48 < kanzure> just.. someone has to write them.
11:50 < fenn> well you already tagged a bunch of things so that's some useful data right there
11:51 < cluckj> ^
11:51 < kanzure> same should be done for hplusroadmap tech mentions
11:51 < fenn> tag all the things!!!
11:52 < kanzure> no, summaries
11:52 < cluckj> TAGS ARE SUMMARIES!!!!!!!!!
11:54 < kanzure> my slides were pretty okay summaries http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/scalingbitcoin-review.pdf
11:55 < cluckj> suspects?
11:55 < kanzure> people
11:57 < cluckj> :P
11:59 < fenn> the international criminal conspiracy that is bitcoin
12:00 < cluckj> :)
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13:56 < chris_99> out of interest, what do you guys think about this surgeon who is apparently going to conduct a head transplant of a human in 2017
13:56 < yoleaux> 14 Sep 2015 22:17Z <nmz787_w> chris_99: I haven't turned it on yet, but I unpacked my blue spectrometer and have it placed on my desk now ;)
13:56 < yoleaux> 04:59Z <nmz787> chris_99: trying one of these now, since that other one never came (this one says it ships from the U.S. and that I should have it within a week) http://www.ebay.com/itm/191680772737
13:57 < chris_99> ooh cool nmz787
13:57 < chris_99> i saw that neje one recently
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15:15 < nmz787_w> chris_99: cool, see any reviews? or just saw that it existed on some site (ebay/aliexpress/etc)? (in regards to the neje etcher)
15:16 < chris_99> nah, no reviews  i just saw it on fleabay
15:16 < chris_99> saw http://www.aliexpress.com/item/500M-32-channel-logic-analyzer-compatible-LOGIC-16-accurate-indicator-actual-parameters/32286574687.html?ws_ab_test=201526_1,201527_3_3_2_1_5_4,201409_5 recently
15:17 < chris_99> too expensive for an impulse purchase though heh
15:18 < chris_99> got a chance to play with the spectrometer yet?
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15:29 < nmz787_w> chris_99: that is a clone of a good-sounding American device
15:29 < nmz787_w> which i was thinking of buying if I ever have the need
15:29 < chris_99> indeed it is
15:29 < nmz787_w> http://www.pctestinstruments.com/
15:30 < chris_99> it's a https://www.saleae.com/ clone i thought
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15:35 < nmz787_w> oh, maybe, I guess I may have been confusing it with this: http://www.eeelec.com/xla/
15:37 < chris_99> hmm that 500Msps one doesn't seem to exist
15:37 < chris_99> on the shop
15:37 < chris_99> or thier ebay page
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15:45 < nmz787_w> huh, maybe intronix got pissed and filed some legal stuff
15:46 < chris_99> heh
15:47 < nmz787_w> and to answer your question, no I haven't tried the spectrometer out yet... maybe tonight though
15:48 < nmz787_w> the software they provide is for windows... and I haven't validated my RS232 sniffer yet... but was actually thinking I might be able to work on that using the spectrometer
15:51 < chris_99> cool
15:51 < chris_99> maybe it's an ASCII protocol
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