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01:16 < erasmus> This is why events unnerve me,
01:16 < erasmus> They find it all, a different story,
01:16 < erasmus> Notice whom for wheels are turning,
01:16 < erasmus> Turn again and turn towards this time,
01:16 < erasmus> All she ask's the strength to hold me,
01:16 < erasmus> Then again the same old story,
01:16 < erasmus> World will travel, oh so quickly,
01:16 < erasmus> Travel first and lean towards this time.
01:16 < erasmus> Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown,
01:16 < erasmus> Heaven knows, it's got to be this time,
01:16 < erasmus> Watching her, these things she said,
01:16 < erasmus> The times she cried,
01:16 < erasmus> Too frail to wake this time.
01:17 < erasmus> Oh I'll break them down, no mercy shown
01:17 < erasmus> Heaven knows, it's got to be this time,
01:17 < erasmus> Avenues all lined with trees,
01:17 < erasmus> Picture me and then you start watching,
01:17 < erasmus> Watching forever, forever,
01:17 < erasmus> Watching love grow, forever,
01:17 < erasmus> Letting me know, forever.
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05:39 < abetusk> nmz787, thanks, I'll look into that bom tool more.  And sadly no, I hand craft my s-expressions.  I should use a library...
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07:52 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ae30250e Bryan Bishop: big pile of bitcoin tech notes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/bitcoin/big-pile/
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07:56 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=90fc5430 Bryan Bishop: add more links from sergio lerner >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/bitcoin/big-pile/
08:00 < kanzure> ^that's only because jgarzik pestered me to "release early, release often" but now i feel terrible
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08:10 < CaptHindsight> Do people complain then about how the code is rough and broken?
08:11 < kanzure> you kidding? people complain about software all the time.
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08:11 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: they asked me to read all bitcointalk.org posts and all bitcoin-dev mailing list emails, so i did, and those are my notes (and bookmarks). but organizing this mess into something legible is.. difficult.
08:12 < CaptHindsight> how do you deal with people copying your code and not giving you credit?
08:14 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: it's lots of work to organize all that
08:14 < kanzure> well all of my public software is permissively licensed, so for most people it's easier for them to just abide by the liensing terms (which means stuff like "keep the attribution in tact"), plus they stay on my good side if they do that, etc. etc.
08:15 < kanzure> there's also legal follow-up for violations
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08:17 < CaptHindsight> how about removing you name from the header and using your code in another project
08:17 < CaptHindsight> while keeping the license
08:17 < kanzure> as for whether i was "first" to write certain public source code, i suppose i could pgp sign my source code, then hash the signed source code, and timestamp the hash on twitter or in the bitcoin blockchain as a proof-of-publication thing, but i don't really care that much
08:18 < kanzure> sometimes i don't care about violatoins like that, iirc that hasn't happened to me yet, but if i did happen to care then i might pursue that with legal action or dmca takedown (hah probably not dmca takedown)
08:21 < kanzure> with hardware, things are more difficult since copyright/patent law are ugh and blend into each other
08:21 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: haven't you written open-source software before?
08:23 < CaptHindsight> I was just asking about your experience
08:24 < CaptHindsight> I try to avoid anything above 1's and 0's  :)
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08:29 < kanzure> that's probably the most healthy thing to do, yeah
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09:03 < dpk> is paperbot working again yet?
09:04 < dpk> joepie<tab><tab><tab>
09:04 < dpk> i thought he was here
09:04 < dpk> apparently not
09:08 < kanzure> paperbot has a few minor bugs, but also he needs a new place to live
09:16 < dpk> what are the requirements of a new place to live?
09:16 < dpk> 'being on an IP address that's blocked by bastard journal publishers', presumably
09:25 < dpk> *unblocked
09:28 < kanzure> right... or "implement and deploy giant proxy network of mobile phones attached to students"
09:28 < FourFire> kanzure, that copy of permutation city you linked me was... incomplete
09:28 < FourFire> why?
09:28 < kanzure> i linked you to a copy?
09:29 < FourFire> I think so
09:29 < FourFire> perhaps it wasn't you, but it was definitely someone in this channel
09:29 < kanzure> i don't think i would have asked you to read permutation city
09:29 < FourFire> ok.
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11:08 < kanzure> https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds
11:13 < maaku> kanzure: btw we're doing an internal project at blockstream to do a reproducible distribution
11:13 < maaku> hopefully to be obsoleted by debian and linux foundation work, but they're not moving fast enough for us
11:13 < maaku> it'll be an open source project once it's up
11:14 < kanzure> "bitcoin-bonded reproducible builds"? :-)
11:15 < maaku> heh that would be one heck of a validation contract
11:15 < kanzure> one lightning is further along we could do micropayments to software developers based on package utilization, but probably requires different licensing terms (since open-source + donations is ugh)
11:15 < kanzure> yeah i guess so
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11:37  * nsh muses
11:37 < kanzure> 11:36 < wumpus> Luke-Jr: there is, for some smaller Lattice FPGAs: cliffordwolf's yosys+arachne-pnr+icestorm. The largest variant can run a small 32 bit core: https://github.com/cliffordwolf/picorv32
11:37 < kanzure> 11:36 < wumpus> Luke-Jr: there is, for some smaller Lattice FPGAs: cliffordwolf's yosys+arachne-pnr+icestorm. The largest variant can run a small 32 bit core: https://github.com/cliffordwolf/picorv32
11:37 < kanzure> whoops
11:37 < maaku> wrong channel?
11:38 < kanzure> well, open-source hardware is on-topic, and an open-source bitstream compiler would be nice
11:39 < kanzure> maaku: also, it would be interesting to come up with a method for molecular deterministic builds. you can't really "hash" a chunk of matter.
11:40 < maaku> kanzure: I've thought about this, but haven't hit on a solution
11:40 < maaku> for more constrained structures it is possible to enumerate possible bonds and have a deterministic serialization
11:41 < maaku> but for strained structures.. not so easy
11:41 < maaku> it's a problem that has somewhat immediate use cases in indexing and categorizing molecular parts
11:42 < kanzure> deterministic builds is only about the design/software/plan, not about the physical execution or physical existence of the processor that the reproducible build runs on
11:42 < maaku> Merkle and Freitas wanted me to build a standard parts registry for molecular tools, so I thought about it. Bitcoin was more interesting though :)
11:42 < kanzure> nanoengineer.git has a registry for those things
11:42 < kanzure> i'm surprised that they don't know about it
11:42 < kanzure> well no i'm not. they are too cool for this channel.
11:47 < kanzure> nsh: where is your musing
11:49 < nsh> where your face was before your parents met
11:49 < nsh> (uninstantiated)
11:49 < maaku> kanzure: unforunately much of molecular nanotechnology is I think held back by merkle/freitas being too cool to engage with diyhplus
11:55 < kanzure> but when he saw ethereum he said, "hmm, yeah, that"
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12:23 < maaku> yeah :\
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12:54 < kanzure> metamed died https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9557067
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13:03 < kanzure> https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/in-a-world-of-venture-capital/
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14:03 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2c4c61fd Bryan Bishop: big-pile: include deprecation window proposal >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/bitcoin/big-pile/
14:04 < juri_> fenn: haven't heard of them.
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14:24 < justanotheruser> kanzure: how do you index your links so you can come up with them so quickly
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14:52 < erasmus> must be magic
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16:02 < kanzure> pen with periodic table roll-out http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005H7LJME
16:03 < kanzure> justanotheruser: https://github.com/davidlazar/jotmuch
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16:11 < justanotheruser> for your on the go periodic needs
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16:28 < kanzure> justanotheruser: sad thing about jotmuch is that i used to have 50k bookmarks back in 2008-2010 but data loss happened. such sadness.
16:28 < justanotheruser> you seem like the kind of guy that would have redundant backups, I'm disappointed
16:30 < maaku> I assume someone else is also logging this channel / mirroring the logs?
16:33 < kanzure> afaik nobody has public mirrors of hplusroadmap logs
16:33 < kanzure> also, we should timestamp the following hash: 9009809f50464b77d7118af4be59790f6015e6e5269c0bac287c31246823f4af
16:34 < kanzure> and e7b0148051ab28fc924d858a2af183b72af49d73d82b3889b1c87a96303b9341
16:34 < kanzure> but mostly the first one
16:37 < kanzure> ( http://web.archive.org/web/20150910153038/http://gnusha.org/logs/loghashes.002.txt )
16:37 < kanzure> having someone else logging this channel and keeping logs would be very helpful
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17:55 < kanzure> yes, using fenn doesn't work
17:55 < kanzure> since his server vanished in 2004 or something
17:55 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/pir_at/status/646019231243485184
17:56 < yoleaux> @michaelossmann @mithro I am offering 1000 Euro for those who document the Spartan6 Fpga Family. Someone else join in? (@pir_at, in reply to tw:645989848998768640)
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19:29 < kanzure> http://www.biobots.io/ "tissue printer" so it claims
19:29 < kanzure> er.. it extrudes from a syringe. why put a $10k price tag on that?
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20:31 < kanzure> (regulator-approved?) adeno-associated virus gene therapy for treatment of lipoprotein lipase deficiency http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/medicines/human/medicines/002145/human_med_001480.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac058001d124
20:57 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c8d073c8 Bryan Bishop: some igem 2015 projects >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/
20:58 < kanzure> (incomplete) http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/#igem-2015
20:59 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=3ca2be85 Bryan Bishop: fix typo about extracellular matrix damage >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/
21:01 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5e190b08 Bryan Bishop: fix another typo about autophagy >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/
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21:41 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: it's $10k to make a few $$  http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=268871328
21:43 < CaptHindsight> BioGel  – Gelatin Methacrylate-based gel composed of denatured collagen that is engineered to cross-link when combined with GelKey. This first-in-class product allows cells to be mixed with a matrix that covalently cross-links when exposed to light during printing.
21:44 < CaptHindsight> crosslinks with cells?
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