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00:14 < nmz787> CaptHindsight: I found a vacuum bearing around here for about $10 if you think you could beat that, re making one of these... would aide automation of kanzure's gripes about PDMS https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/10
00:16 < nmz787> then otherwise you just need a BLDC motor I think, and the spin plate and motor controller with back-EMF sensing presumably, and mcu/etc to set ramp rates and times, etc
00:17 < nmz787> then you then a slider on it, move the spin-coated PDMS over to an expsorure rig, then into the ez-bake until done
00:18 < diginet> does anyone here have access to emerald insight journals?
00:18 < nmz787> you probably need to paste a direct link, or DOI
00:19 < diginet> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/13552540410512499
00:19 < diginet> I already tried libgen, but to no avail
00:20 < nmz787> could try requesting on researchgate
00:21 < diginet> true
00:22 < nmz787> here's a totally different article that some attempted searches lead me to, that I seem to be able to open: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389214003034
00:22 < nmz787> .title
00:22 < yoleaux> Powder Layer Preparation Using Vibration-controlled Capillary Steel Nozzles for Additive Manufacturing
00:23 < diginet> nmz787: ooh, interesting. thanks. I'll ask a friend tomorrow to help
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07:04 < kanzure> lightning network onion routing proposal https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/blob/onion/test/test_onion.c
07:04 < CaptHindsight> huh, that spincoater https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/10 is a Direct Logic PLC, and Dynetic Systems motor driver power supply
07:08 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: $10 already sounds cheap enough to not care about looking further unless you're going into mass production
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07:24 < kanzure> "optical rectenna" (light to DC current)
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07:34 < Stskeeps> merged
07:34 < Stskeeps> err.. ignore me
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07:58 < kanzure> Stskeeps: greetings
07:58 < Stskeeps> greetings
08:00 < kanzure> what brings you here
08:01 < Stskeeps> curiosity and interest in human augmentation
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08:02 < kanzure> seen bodyhacking mailing list and/or convention? the one in austin.
08:02 < Stskeeps> hmm, no
08:03 < kanzure> this one http://bodyhackingcon.com/
08:03 < Stskeeps> i'm more over in the inteligence amplification camp, big fan of doug engelbart's thoughts
08:03 < kanzure> it's a little too tatooey for me, but w/e
08:03 < kanzure> oh i see
08:04 < kanzure> "xanadu forever" then?
08:04 < kanzure> well that wasn't engelbart, probably unfair
08:04 < Stskeeps> naah, that was ted nelson
08:05 < Stskeeps> http://www.dougengelbart.org/pubs/augment-3906.html
08:07 < kanzure> surprising amount of gains just from low friction shortcuts
08:08 < kanzure> and compilation too (nobody is going to get anywhere if they have to always read a million (software or otherwise) docs to get anything done)
08:08 < Stskeeps> think there's still a lot we can do with our extended minds with mobile devices involved
08:10 < cpopell> lower friction note taking--I'm excited to play with onenote when the surface4 comes out
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08:10 < kanzure> open vim, type words
08:12 < Stskeeps> been recently reading http://www.amazon.com/Glass-Cage-Where-Automation-Taking-ebook/dp/B00NOPQUKM/ref=mt_kindle?_encoding=UTF8&me= , kind of interesting examples on how to not always do automation and get better results from it
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08:12 < kanzure> better results from non-automation, or from automation
08:12 < Stskeeps> from non-automation
08:13 < Stskeeps> an example in there was to give two groups two different user interfaces, one aiding them to do things easily and one that was more rudimentary, at more complex tasks the latter group performed better
08:13 < kanzure> maybe the definition of easy was just bad?
08:14 < Stskeeps> sure, but if your mind doesn't bother to make a mental model since it's too easy to work with..
08:14 < Stskeeps> then applying more complex problems to be solved will be hard
08:14 < kanzure> i was thinking of using my phone to display vertical list of browser tabs open on desktop/laptop browser
08:14 < kanzure> sorta tab scroll wheel of sorts
08:15 < kanzure> but then i remembered i hate scrolling and would rather type
08:16 < Stskeeps> sometimes it's not a bad idea to take the human mind into the loop in a program
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08:19 < kanzure> http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/data/inventory/
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08:20 < kanzure> and the most important output of a project, colorful images i guess http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/gallery/
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08:29 < btcdrak> that makes me want to buy an fMRI
08:33 < kanzure> you should want to buy an fmri
08:33 < kanzure> btcdrak: also you should consider CT machines.
08:33 < kanzure> everyone should have a CT machine
08:33 < btcdrak> give yourself cancer at home.
08:34 < kanzure> also you can do ultrasound, which has less risk of cancer
08:34 < btcdrak> You cant do prolonged a repeated scans with CTs, ultrasound and fMRI would be pretty amusing. Though the electric bills might not be.
08:35 < kanzure> electric bill for ultrasound should be fine
08:35 < btcdrak> How much does an fMRI cost, hrm..
08:36 < kanzure> too much, to be honest
08:38 < kanzure> portable homebrew ultrasound scanner stuff was mentioned here, http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-04-27.log
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08:52 < fenn> this "glass cage" book sounds like a million scare stories about "oh noes the internetz are rotting our brains"
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08:53 < fenn> i think jef raskin made some good points in "the humane interface" about designing interactions such that they can be habituated
08:54 < fenn> lol - Carr's previous book, "The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains,"
08:55 < fenn> "Is Google Making Us Stupid?,"
08:55 < fenn> it seems inconsistent to come in here praising engelbart and then link to a book by this guy
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08:56 < fenn> engelbart would have shat his pants on seeing what google can do in 2015
08:57 < kanzure> speaking of which, a lot of hplusroadmap stuff is too burried for google to find
08:57 < kanzure> diyhpl.us wiki page titles are the sort of unappealing page titles that google likes to ignore
08:58 < fenn> google cares about title content?
08:58 < kanzure> google loves
content that matches url content, like physics of dyson sphere collapse and /physics-of-dyson-sphere-collapse
08:59 < fenn> can't we automate this
08:59 < fenn> $slug
08:59 < kanzure> whereas projects is completely ignored http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/
09:00 < fenn> i don't see the difference
09:00 < kanzure> the difference with what?
09:00 < fenn> they both match the url ending
09:01 < kanzure> "projects" is too generic for google to figure out
09:01 < fenn> diyhplus wiki: projects
09:01 < kanzure> quite literally searching for "dna projects igem celegans" on google brings up a bunch of igem links, and then some quote from gnusha.org/logs long before diyhpl.us shows up as a result
09:02 < kanzure> (in particular http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-01-26.log )
09:02 < kanzure> "12:18 < maaku> i want him to submit his project to futureoflife.org for ..... http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/#igem-2014 16:41 < Genestealer> i ..."
09:02 < pasky> imho it might trigger some linkfarm sensors
09:03 < kanzure> hplusroadmap has lots of unique content
09:04 < pasky> well you have a bunch of links and some unique content; that looks the same as a lot of spammy websites, which use the unique content to create an appearance of some... content
09:04 < pasky> plus, navigating the page is painful too; imho would be nicer to both users and google to split years to separate pages
09:05 < kanzure> yeah i would like content to not be trapped in the irc logs somehow
09:06 < fenn> let's just hire that kanzure guy to read every hplusroadmap irc log ever
09:06 < fenn> he's really good at typing i hear
09:06 < pasky> and reading irc logs quickly!
09:06 < fenn> no but seriously, topic modeling is an ok solution
09:07 < fenn> .wik topic modeling
09:07 < yoleaux> "In machine learning and natural language processing, a topic model is a type of statistical model for discovering the abstract "topics" that occur in a collection of documents." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_modeling
09:07 < fenn> it can be implemented really simply like just word counts
09:08 < kanzure> i have seen attempts at figuring out the most weightworthy tags from a collection of documents (i have no idea where i have seen this) (maybe it was my own meetlog work?), and they are always just a list of 1000 of the most vague topic headings like "search" and "computing" and "hardware"... how is that helpful?
09:08 < pasky> anyway, i'm not even sure what the value of http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/ is supposed to be; it has 504 hyperlinks noone will ever go through en masse and which just mostly go to igem anyway, doesn't igem have their own index of projects?
09:08 < kanzure> igem has an index of teams
09:08 < fenn> once you've sorted things into piles of similar documents you can dig through and manually "uniq" them much faster because there's no context switching
09:08 < kanzure> i wrote those summaries
09:09 < fenn> the summaries are valuable inasmuch as one believe igem projects are valuable
09:10 < kanzure> right, yeah, lots of igem projects don't actually work of course, but some of the ideas are okay
09:10 < fenn> the ideas are usually good, but the implementation is always woefully incomplete
09:10 < kanzure> part of the reason i made that page was because everyone keeps asking me why i want dna synthesis
09:10 < fenn> oh
09:10 < kanzure> and it's absurd that anyone needs to fucking justify cheap dna synthesis but that's the state of the world yo
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09:10 < fenn> well i often found myself having to justify why one would want a 3d printer
09:11 < fenn> there's a huge disconnect between people who make things and people who don't
09:11 < fenn> of course there's no reason to want a 3d printer if you can just buy things at walmar
09:11 < kanzure> or if you have super laser metal sintering machine thing
09:11 < fenn> and likewise there's no reason to want a dna printer if you can just buy dna
09:11 < fenn> or if you don't need dna at all
09:12 < kanzure> well anyway; this is a pretty good overview of interesting things to do with lots of cheap dna.
09:12 < fenn> but there's a qualitative difference in quick turnaround time between designing something and testing it
09:13 < fenn> in the 1970s they did a scientific comparison of batch computing vs interactive computing, and interactive computing blew batch computing out of the water
09:13 < fenn> the same thing happens with physical production
09:13 < fenn> of new things
09:15 < fenn> weird, my search: scientific batch computing vs interactive "mythical man-month"
09:15 < fenn> yields this: http://www.softpanorama.org/HPC/Molecular_modeling_software/Vasp/index.shtml
09:16 < fenn> i guess it's not that weird, nevermind
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09:17 < fenn> if Carr (author of "is google making us stupid?") has a valid point, it would be that we are now exposed to way more information and our filters suck
09:18 < fenn> so we remember a lot of low signal information
09:19 < kanzure> during my scalingbitcoin talk i attempted to remind the audience that lots of good ideas in bitcoin community come from anonymous sources
09:19 < kanzure> this is difficult to deal with because natural inclination is to look for regular reliable sources of high signal
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09:20 < pasky> kanzure: btw I've taken the labels, split to words, did sort /tmp/z | tr '-' '\n' | tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9\n' | uniq -c | sort -n | fgrep -v -w -f ~/WWW/pro/argus/argus/sources/stopwords_long.txt
09:20 < kanzure> labels?
09:20 < pasky> kanzure: http://pasky.or.cz/cp/junk/dnaprojects.txt might be useful to create a tagcloud or whatever, take concepts with >=3 occurences
09:20 < pasky> labels of the links
09:22 < fenn> this is basically what i suggested for sorting/navigating the bitcoin bookmarks; i think it's the same problem
09:22 < kanzure> not sure what i am supposed to do with this list of words
09:23 < fenn> click on 'ecoli' and it shows all projects using ecoli
09:23 < kanzure> what is a tag cloud supposed to tell me?
09:23 < kanzure> okay but that's a total complete lie
09:23 < kanzure> just because it wasn't labeled with ecoli doesn't mean it didn't use ecoli
09:23 < fenn> it's good enough
09:23 < kanzure> for what?
09:24 < fenn> your butt also uses ecoli but it doesn't need to be in the list
09:24 < kanzure> why not? butt fragrance or something maybe
09:24 < fenn> if the labeling is inaccurate/incomplete then that's a different problem
09:24 < pasky> kanzure: if you didn't mention ecoli in the label, ecoli probably isn't the important part, that's my working assumption here :)
09:24 < kanzure> "shock level" sorting might be a useful way to organize that info, except the shock levels from sl4 always sucked
09:25 < kanzure> "anything above shock level 7 is a threat that is impossible to account for in any conceivable threat model" er, thanks
09:25 < pasky> it'd be also probably pretty trivial to re-crawl the links and look for occurence counts of these keywords
09:25 < fenn> tegmark 4 objects blah blah
09:25 < kanzure> are they really called tegmark4 objects
09:26 * kanzure looks at http://sl4.org/shocklevels.html
09:26 < fenn> i don't know man i just live here
09:27 < kanzure> so again, what is the point of the tag cloud from a usability perspective?
09:27 < kanzure> what problems is it theoretically solving
09:27 < kanzure> also i am interested in practical examples of extremely useful tag clouds
09:27 < fenn> connecting users to information they might find more interesting than the rest of the documents in the pile
09:28 < fenn> providing a summary of what types of things are in the pile
09:28 < kanzure> i don't think that sort of summary is apparent from the list of words that pasky posted
09:28 < fenn> you've already gone over the pile so the tag cloud is useless for you; you already know what's in the pile
09:28 < kanzure> that list has nothing about symbiotes, wound healing, protein design, biodefense, timing, 3d printing, etc.
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09:29 < kanzure> well i guess it does, but they are the unweighted tags
09:30 < fenn> it does have "symbiosis" "wounds" "protein" "printing"
09:30 < kanzure> maybe this deserves a more academic approach; what does shannon say about signal-to-noise
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09:30 < pasky> it's entirely possible it's as useless as what's currently on the site :)
09:30 < pasky> where i wouldn't learn about symbiotes, wound healing, protein design, biodefense, timing, 3d printing, etc. either
09:30 < pasky> because it's just 10 links out of the 500
09:30 < kanzure> those don't stick out to you as surprising or interesting?
09:30 < fenn> yeah i don't see why these tags are special
09:31 < kanzure> because most people don't think "oh it's obvious that this has applications to wound healing"
09:31 < maaku> kanzure: I find it unlikely that FOL would fund a dna extraction project, although I'd happy to be wrong.
09:31 < kanzure> FOL?
09:31 < maaku> future of life
09:31 < fenn> elon musk money
09:31 < kanzure> for gravedigging?
09:31 < pasky> kanzure: when you mention it, it sticks out as very interesting, but i would never find it in the list of links
09:32 < maaku> I did successfully get someone to submit a practical, near-term AGI project to FOL and get it funded, so they are paying for useful stuff
09:32 < maaku> unlike, *ahem*, certain other AI-risk organizations
09:32 < kanzure> not sure why bringing up graverobbing for dna extraction here?
09:32 < kanzure> i mean yes fun project
09:32 < pasky> I'm not sure if it's easy to automate finding the *interesting* stuff; at least it's easy to group the projects along other criteria, like if they are about bacterias or humans
09:33 < fenn> if you think a particular bookmark is interesting you should tag it as such
09:34 < pasky> e.g. make 4 in each year bold
09:35 < kanzure> one lame way to do it is to focus on igem biobrick part classification and categories :-(
09:35 < maaku> kanzure: here's the one I helped apply -- http://futureoflife.org/AI/2015awardees#Sotala
09:35 < kanzure> ah you know sotala
09:35 < kanzure> kaj i mean
09:35 < maaku> only $20k grant, but that'll be a good start
09:35 < maaku> yeah
09:36 < kanzure> i think elon could be convinced to fund some mars colonization synthetic biology / genetic engineering stuff (which, coincidentally, shows up on that igem project summaries page)
09:39 < kanzure> fenn: another way to frame the page is "Hello adventurer, you have received a magical dna synthesis machine. Here are some things that you should consider a priority: " and then list out some surprising non-obvious stuff i guess.
09:41 < kanzure> i have seen not many tag clouds from #swhack as i would have expected; it's a little weird. i used to think of nsh/sbp as kings of tag clouds. i was expecting to get indoctrinated.
09:42 < fenn> i haven't osmosed super-rationality either
09:43 < kanzure> from where?
09:43 < kanzure> oh right
09:43 < kanzure> well are they trying?
09:43 < fenn> no
09:44 < fenn> i am a non-player character according to the intern
09:44 < fenn> just a markov chain that spews random technobabble
09:45 < kanzure> "your diagnosis is completely unhelpful"
09:46 < fenn> it's very easy to make cognitive dissonance go away if you pretend the other side doesn't exist
09:46 < fenn> i'm not sure if this is a joke or not
09:47 < kanzure> lately i have liked using words about thread models when people bring up magic super ai silver bullets destroying all of the known galaxy
09:47 < kanzure> ... threat models.
09:47 < kanzure> ("yes well that's outside the scope of the threat model")
09:47 < fenn> dump some words into my markov matrix
09:47 < kanzure> ("or of useful threat models" i guess)
09:47 < kanzure> no that's all i have at the moment
09:47 < fenn> pff
09:48 < fenn> some anti-anti-ai ai programmer you are
09:48 < kanzure> most of my time is spent filing fart compliance reports for the cftc, you see
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09:49 < kanzure> from an engineering perspective, eliminating single points of failure gets us some pretty big wins against lots of both internal and external threat or failure modes
09:49 < kanzure> but worrying about "unstoppable" silver bullets that theoretically trump any threat model, does not really help anyone
09:50 < fenn> you haven't even heard all of the "sin swallower" arguments
09:51 < kanzure> part of the problem may be that they just simply aren't engineers
09:52 < kanzure> (although this is a bit of a cop-out)
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09:59 < kanzure> "Improving tag-clouds as visual information retrieval interfaces" http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.85.9998&rep=rep1&type=pdf
10:02 < kanzure> "Keyword clouds: having very little effect on sensemaking in web search engines" (2012)
10:03 < kanzure> see page 33 http://www.cs.swan.ac.uk/~csmathew/content/dissertation.pdf
10:04 < maaku> kanzure: ok you put it that way -- "future of the biosphere" / "engineering martian life" -- I could see it getting funded
10:04 < maaku> keeping in mind though that musk isn't personally reviewing these..
10:05 < maaku> " i am a non-player character according to the intern" <-- coming from the intern? wow that's harsh!
10:05 < kanzure> have you two met yet? you should meet
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10:06 < maaku> we met once at the elements alpha release
10:06 < kanzure> getting $20k from elon is totally worthless to me (i could just pay one of you guys that myself)
10:06 < maaku> i don't get up to oakland often enough
10:06 < maaku> speaking of which did that chemistry guy ever show up?
10:06 < kanzure> no :-(
10:11 < maaku> is it too presumptious if I send him the reddit link and point out 'hey, there might be money here...'?
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10:13 < kanzure> s/might/is
10:13 < kanzure> that's fine
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10:14 < maaku> I'm also trying to figure out a low-maintenance automated quassel setup
10:15 < maaku> I have a vps running quasselcore that anyone is allowed to use, just need to setup an automated, low friciton way of making accounts
10:15 < maaku> for the irc newbs that show up without bouncers
10:16 < btcdrak> and hope those n00bs dont get the IP banned on the IRC network...
10:17 < kanzure> maaku: well i can give you an account on diyhpl.us with ssh and stuff, just run tmux and irssi
10:17 < maaku> btcdrak: yeah the proper way to do this is using my vps' /64 ipv6 block, but that will probably require hacking up quassel...
10:18 < kanzure> for diyhpl.us you can create new accounts by ssh newuser@diyhpl.us i think
10:18 < kanzure> oh you have something already
10:18 < kanzure> oh, for irc newbs. hm.
10:18 < maaku> i do but that's a cooler setup ;)
10:18 < kanzure> well, irccloud maybe
10:19 < kanzure> "ssh newuser@" is probably not low friction for the types of people that don't have bouncers, heh
10:19 < kanzure> although to be fair i don't have a bouncer either
10:20 < maaku> kanzure: ? you're here 24/7. you don't do the same thing?
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10:20 < kanzure> just tmux + irssi for me
10:20 < kanzure> no bouncer
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10:33 < justanotheruser> what is your uptime
10:35 < fenn> 17 days ha
10:35 < kanzure> had to abandon previous server because of qualcomm attack
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12:08 < crescendo> http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/
12:08 < crescendo> tmux + irssi for me too, btw :)
12:08 < crescendo> (+password protected screen)
12:10 < kanzure> i want fiber tractography of underdeveloped human brains
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12:24 < kanzure> there is a talk at utexas.edu on monday called "Artificial Selection on Microbiomes to Improve Animal and Plant Health" (ulrich mueller)
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14:05 < kanzure> "As Chief Venture Strategist in the Office of Security Operations at TSA from 2002 to 2013, Gobel proposed, designed, and operated the Department of Homeland Security's first venture capital arm. He was responsible for multiple investments in cutting-edge security capabilities, including the VOXER iPhone app [10] [4] and the world’s first hand-held mass spectrometer (aka 'Tricorder')[11]."
14:05 < kanzure> this is the dude that runs the methuselah foundation? (david gobel)
14:06 < Betawolf> the thing I learnt there is that the DHS has a venture capital arm
14:07 < kanzure> and that it's operated by aubrey de grey
14:09 < Betawolf> the app mentioned seems hard to google, unless it's the voice-chat app that advertises itself with no reference to security
14:09 < fenn> usually it's SBIR
14:10 < Betawolf> oh, it is that
14:11 < Betawolf> 'Military-grade security and encryption' <- so, uh, backdoored?
14:12 < kanzure> who wants military-grade encryption anyway? i want nsa-grade encryption.
14:14 < kanzure> wait, no i don't
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16:50 < kanzure> alcor conference october 9-11 http://www.alcor.org/AboutAlcor/conference.html
16:50 < kanzure> in scottsdale? ugh
16:52 < kanzure> "In 2009, he and his colleagues at 21CM published the first paper showing that a rabbit kidney can survive long-term after vitrification and transplantation and provide life support function, but with some ice damage. In 2013, he described how ice damage seen in the 2009 method can be eliminated without paying a toxicity penalty, and in 2015, he and colleague Brian Wowk discovered how to further reduce injury to mild levels."
16:53 < kanzure> so there seems to be lots of existing survivability even without my techniques
16:54 < kanzure> "At Critical Care Research he is presently engaged in the development of resuscitation technology by delivery of lipid-soluble drugs to the resuscitated brain, and also in experimental hypothermia induction for cerebral protection using post-resuscitation hypothermic perfluorocarbon lung lavage (dog model)"
16:56 < kanzure> let's see what aschwin de wolf is up to... http://www.advancedneuralbio.com/pubs/Advanced%20Neural%20Biosciences.pdf
16:58 < kanzure> ah they have been working with 3scan. i guess that's not surprising.
16:58 < kanzure> didn't know they are in portland
16:58 < kanzure> one of you portland nutjobs should go say hi to them
17:01 < kanzure> http://www.advancedneuralbio.com/pubs/Human%20Cryopreservation%20Research%20at%20Advanced%20Neural%20Biosciences.pdf
17:04 < maaku> kanzure: Reid Hoffmann wanted me or someone I know to give a talk on bitcoin at the alcor conference
17:04 < maaku> I failed to find anyone able to go, but if you know anyone... (or if you want to go yourself)
17:05 < kanzure> maaku: yeah i'll go if they have me give that talk
17:05 < kanzure> sorta hurt you didn't think of me :-)
17:06 < kanzure> i'll survive
17:06 < maaku> kanzure: for sure? because if there is room this could totally happen
17:06 < maaku> this was, uh, before I was in ##hplusroadmap. sorry i didn't remember until now
17:06 < kanzure> yep let's do it
17:10 < kanzure> oh didn't he give blockstream some money
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17:47 < kanzure> maaku: lmk? i'd need to buy airfare soon.
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17:52 < delinquentme> kanzure: where u going?
17:55 < kanzure> alcor (maybe)
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18:00 < delinquentme> bruh you’ve still got plenty of years
18:00 < delinquentme> live for a bit longer we
18:00 < delinquentme> you dont need to go into cryo next week
18:02 < kanzure> actually it's next week
18:02 < kanzure> http://www.alcor.org/AboutAlcor/conference.html
18:05 < kanzure> delinquentme: metal band with insect frontman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64KMqZ8LI0E
18:05 < kanzure> er, cricket
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18:08 < delinquentme> ohhh alcor conf
18:08 < delinquentme> got it
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18:25 < kanzure> memory safety in c++14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEx5DNLWGgA
18:39 < kanzure> "hardware-accelerated graphics on microkernels" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpbUMMguGEA
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18:50 < maaku> kanzure: I'm messaging him now
18:50 < maaku> btw Rudi Hoffman, not Reid Hoffman. whoops
18:51 < maaku> the insurance agent that most alcor people use, not the multi-billionaire founder of linkedin :P
19:19 < maaku> kanzure: I sent him an email with details and a text message to his cell. I imagine there might be a 24 hr turnaround on making a decision, as he probably doesn't make that call himself without consulting the rest of the comittee
19:19 < maaku> i'll get back to you as soon as he does
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20:00 < kanzure> okay well i have brownie points with max more that i can cash in i guess
20:00 < kanzure> figured a reid hoffman endorsement wouldn't be bad though :-)
20:04 < maaku> kanzure: sounds like a negative
20:04 < maaku> unless you end-run hoffman (worth trying)
20:05 < maaku> PM me your email
20:05 < maaku> wait n/m I must have it from your posts to bitcoin-dev
20:06 < kanzure> whoops just sent to max more
20:06 < maaku> no that's probably fine
20:07 < maaku> sent you hoffman's email
20:07 < maaku> sounds like he just doesn't think he has sway with the conference organizer
20:07 < maaku> max moore might
20:09 < kanzure> oh brother the transhumanist president campaign person? why bother
20:18 < kanzure> presidential campaign is just a boring shock thing
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21:46 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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22:36 < JayDugger> Best, Ben - The Future of Money - (201408) http://alcor.org/cryonics/Cryonics2014-8.pdf
22:38 < JayDugger> What Alcor has recently written about bitcoin.
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23:07 * maaku gets ready to cringe
23:10 < justanotheruser> maaku: seemed to be fine until "Bitcoins are identified by a string of about 30 letters and numbers (a bitcoin address)"
23:10 < justanotheruser> and "Other notable bitcoin exchanges
23:10 < justanotheruser> include Blockchain.info"
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