--- Log opened Fri Oct 02 00:00:45 2015 00:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:03 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste ] 00:14 < nmz787> CaptHindsight: I found a vacuum bearing around here for about $10 if you think you could beat that, re making one of these... would aide automation of kanzure's gripes about PDMS https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/10 00:16 < nmz787> then otherwise you just need a BLDC motor I think, and the spin plate and motor controller with back-EMF sensing presumably, and mcu/etc to set ramp rates and times, etc 00:17 < nmz787> then you then a slider on it, move the spin-coated PDMS over to an expsorure rig, then into the ez-bake until done 00:18 < diginet> does anyone here have access to emerald insight journals? 00:18 < nmz787> you probably need to paste a direct link, or DOI 00:19 < diginet> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/13552540410512499 00:19 < diginet> I already tried libgen, but to no avail 00:20 < nmz787> could try requesting on researchgate 00:21 < diginet> true 00:22 < nmz787> here's a totally different article that some attempted searches lead me to, that I seem to be able to open: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389214003034 00:22 < nmz787> .title 00:22 < yoleaux> Powder Layer Preparation Using Vibration-controlled Capillary Steel Nozzles for Additive Manufacturing 00:23 < diginet> nmz787: ooh, interesting. thanks. I'll ask a friend tomorrow to help 00:31 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:52 -!- QuadIngi is now known as FourFire 01:10 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- zadock [~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:26 -!- rancyd [stryfe@2604:a880:800:10::539:100f] has quit [Changing host] 01:26 -!- rancyd [stryfe@unaffiliated/rancyd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:17 -!- xrr [~quassel@c21-76.uvn.zone.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:20 -!- xrr [~quassel@c21-76.uvn.zone.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:05 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:09 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-57-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:58 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-57-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Quit: quit] 04:14 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:16 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- c0rw|zZz [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18 -!- c0rw|zZz [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:22 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-57-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25 -!- midnightmagic_ [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:41 -!- midnightmagic_ is now known as midnightmagic 05:41 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:7143:8385:5bc4:4743] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:48 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:58 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:59 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:17 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@99-200-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:21 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:32 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@185.55.104.234] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:33 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-191-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@99-200-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:54 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@2-187-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:57 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@185.55.104.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:58 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@2-187-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:58 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:04 < kanzure> lightning network onion routing proposal https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/blob/onion/test/test_onion.c 07:04 < CaptHindsight> huh, that spincoater https://www.takeitapart.com/guide/10 is a Direct Logic PLC, and Dynetic Systems motor driver power supply 07:08 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: $10 already sounds cheap enough to not care about looking further unless you're going into mass production 07:16 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gkttqjviueoudtvq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:24 < kanzure> "optical rectenna" (light to DC current) 07:26 -!- cpopell5 [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:33 -!- cpopell5 [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:34 < Stskeeps> merged 07:34 < Stskeeps> err.. ignore me 07:46 -!- cpopell5 [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:51 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@111-226-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- cpopell5 [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:58 < kanzure> Stskeeps: greetings 07:58 < Stskeeps> greetings 08:00 < kanzure> what brings you here 08:01 < Stskeeps> curiosity and interest in human augmentation 08:01 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oonewotdpcjqtorv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:02 < kanzure> seen bodyhacking mailing list and/or convention? the one in austin. 08:02 < Stskeeps> hmm, no 08:03 < kanzure> this one http://bodyhackingcon.com/ 08:03 < Stskeeps> i'm more over in the inteligence amplification camp, big fan of doug engelbart's thoughts 08:03 < kanzure> it's a little too tatooey for me, but w/e 08:03 < kanzure> oh i see 08:04 < kanzure> "xanadu forever" then? 08:04 < kanzure> well that wasn't engelbart, probably unfair 08:04 < Stskeeps> naah, that was ted nelson 08:05 < Stskeeps> http://www.dougengelbart.org/pubs/augment-3906.html 08:07 < kanzure> surprising amount of gains just from low friction shortcuts 08:08 < kanzure> and compilation too (nobody is going to get anywhere if they have to always read a million (software or otherwise) docs to get anything done) 08:08 < Stskeeps> think there's still a lot we can do with our extended minds with mobile devices involved 08:10 < cpopell> lower friction note taking--I'm excited to play with onenote when the surface4 comes out 08:10 -!- cpopell5 [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 < kanzure> open vim, type words 08:12 < Stskeeps> been recently reading http://www.amazon.com/Glass-Cage-Where-Automation-Taking-ebook/dp/B00NOPQUKM/ref=mt_kindle?_encoding=UTF8&me= , kind of interesting examples on how to not always do automation and get better results from it 08:12 -!- btcdrak [uid115429@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyioezokfvhpxtpg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:12 < kanzure> better results from non-automation, or from automation 08:12 < Stskeeps> from non-automation 08:13 < Stskeeps> an example in there was to give two groups two different user interfaces, one aiding them to do things easily and one that was more rudimentary, at more complex tasks the latter group performed better 08:13 < kanzure> maybe the definition of easy was just bad? 08:14 < Stskeeps> sure, but if your mind doesn't bother to make a mental model since it's too easy to work with.. 08:14 < Stskeeps> then applying more complex problems to be solved will be hard 08:14 < kanzure> i was thinking of using my phone to display vertical list of browser tabs open on desktop/laptop browser 08:14 < kanzure> sorta tab scroll wheel of sorts 08:15 < kanzure> but then i remembered i hate scrolling and would rather type 08:16 < Stskeeps> sometimes it's not a bad idea to take the human mind into the loop in a program 08:16 -!- cpopell5 [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:17 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 < kanzure> http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/data/inventory/ 08:19 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 < kanzure> and the most important output of a project, colorful images i guess http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/gallery/ 08:22 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:22 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 08:29 < btcdrak> that makes me want to buy an fMRI 08:33 < kanzure> you should want to buy an fmri 08:33 < kanzure> btcdrak: also you should consider CT machines. 08:33 < kanzure> everyone should have a CT machine 08:33 < btcdrak> give yourself cancer at home. 08:34 < kanzure> also you can do ultrasound, which has less risk of cancer 08:34 < btcdrak> You cant do prolonged a repeated scans with CTs, ultrasound and fMRI would be pretty amusing. Though the electric bills might not be. 08:35 < kanzure> electric bill for ultrasound should be fine 08:35 < btcdrak> How much does an fMRI cost, hrm.. 08:36 < kanzure> too much, to be honest 08:38 < kanzure> portable homebrew ultrasound scanner stuff was mentioned here, http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-04-27.log 08:45 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:46 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 08:52 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-176-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:52 < fenn> this "glass cage" book sounds like a million scare stories about "oh noes the internetz are rotting our brains" 08:53 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-176-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 08:53 < fenn> i think jef raskin made some good points in "the humane interface" about designing interactions such that they can be habituated 08:54 < fenn> lol - Carr's previous book, "The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains," 08:55 < fenn> "Is Google Making Us Stupid?," 08:55 < fenn> it seems inconsistent to come in here praising engelbart and then link to a book by this guy 08:56 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-191-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:56 < fenn> engelbart would have shat his pants on seeing what google can do in 2015 08:57 < kanzure> speaking of which, a lot of hplusroadmap stuff is too burried for google to find 08:57 < kanzure> diyhpl.us wiki page titles are the sort of unappealing page titles that google likes to ignore 08:58 < fenn> google cares about title content? 08:58 < kanzure> google loves content that matches url content, like <title>physics of dyson sphere collapse and /physics-of-dyson-sphere-collapse 08:59 < fenn> can't we automate this 08:59 < fenn> $slug 08:59 < kanzure> whereas projects is completely ignored http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/ 09:00 < fenn> i don't see the difference 09:00 < kanzure> the difference with what? 09:00 < fenn> they both match the url ending 09:01 < kanzure> "projects" is too generic for google to figure out 09:01 < fenn> diyhplus wiki: projects 09:01 < kanzure> quite literally searching for "dna projects igem celegans" on google brings up a bunch of igem links, and then some quote from gnusha.org/logs long before diyhpl.us shows up as a result 09:02 < kanzure> (in particular http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-01-26.log ) 09:02 < kanzure> "12:18 < maaku> i want him to submit his project to futureoflife.org for ..... http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/#igem-2014 16:41 < Genestealer> i ..." 09:02 < pasky> imho it might trigger some linkfarm sensors 09:03 < kanzure> hplusroadmap has lots of unique content 09:04 < pasky> well you have a bunch of links and some unique content; that looks the same as a lot of spammy websites, which use the unique content to create an appearance of some... content 09:04 < pasky> plus, navigating the page is painful too; imho would be nicer to both users and google to split years to separate pages 09:05 < kanzure> yeah i would like content to not be trapped in the irc logs somehow 09:06 < fenn> let's just hire that kanzure guy to read every hplusroadmap irc log ever 09:06 < fenn> he's really good at typing i hear 09:06 < pasky> and reading irc logs quickly! 09:06 < fenn> no but seriously, topic modeling is an ok solution 09:07 < fenn> .wik topic modeling 09:07 < yoleaux> "In machine learning and natural language processing, a topic model is a type of statistical model for discovering the abstract "topics" that occur in a collection of documents." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_modeling 09:07 < fenn> it can be implemented really simply like just word counts 09:08 < kanzure> i have seen attempts at figuring out the most weightworthy tags from a collection of documents (i have no idea where i have seen this) (maybe it was my own meetlog work?), and they are always just a list of 1000 of the most vague topic headings like "search" and "computing" and "hardware"... how is that helpful? 09:08 < pasky> anyway, i'm not even sure what the value of http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/ is supposed to be; it has 504 hyperlinks noone will ever go through en masse and which just mostly go to igem anyway, doesn't igem have their own index of projects? 09:08 < kanzure> igem has an index of teams 09:08 < fenn> once you've sorted things into piles of similar documents you can dig through and manually "uniq" them much faster because there's no context switching 09:08 < kanzure> i wrote those summaries 09:09 < fenn> the summaries are valuable inasmuch as one believe igem projects are valuable 09:10 < kanzure> right, yeah, lots of igem projects don't actually work of course, but some of the ideas are okay 09:10 < fenn> the ideas are usually good, but the implementation is always woefully incomplete 09:10 < kanzure> part of the reason i made that page was because everyone keeps asking me why i want dna synthesis 09:10 < fenn> oh 09:10 < kanzure> and it's absurd that anyone needs to fucking justify cheap dna synthesis but that's the state of the world yo 09:10 -!- zadock [~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:10 < fenn> well i often found myself having to justify why one would want a 3d printer 09:11 < fenn> there's a huge disconnect between people who make things and people who don't 09:11 < fenn> of course there's no reason to want a 3d printer if you can just buy things at walmar 09:11 < kanzure> or if you have super laser metal sintering machine thing 09:11 < fenn> and likewise there's no reason to want a dna printer if you can just buy dna 09:11 < fenn> or if you don't need dna at all 09:12 < kanzure> well anyway; this is a pretty good overview of interesting things to do with lots of cheap dna. 09:12 < fenn> but there's a qualitative difference in quick turnaround time between designing something and testing it 09:13 < fenn> in the 1970s they did a scientific comparison of batch computing vs interactive computing, and interactive computing blew batch computing out of the water 09:13 < fenn> the same thing happens with physical production 09:13 < fenn> of new things 09:15 < fenn> weird, my search: scientific batch computing vs interactive "mythical man-month" 09:15 < fenn> yields this: http://www.softpanorama.org/HPC/Molecular_modeling_software/Vasp/index.shtml 09:16 < fenn> i guess it's not that weird, nevermind 09:16 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:17 < fenn> if Carr (author of "is google making us stupid?") has a valid point, it would be that we are now exposed to way more information and our filters suck 09:18 < fenn> so we remember a lot of low signal information 09:19 < kanzure> during my scalingbitcoin talk i attempted to remind the audience that lots of good ideas in bitcoin community come from anonymous sources 09:19 < kanzure> this is difficult to deal with because natural inclination is to look for regular reliable sources of high signal 09:20 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 < pasky> kanzure: btw I've taken the labels, split to words, did sort /tmp/z | tr '-' '\n' | tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9\n' | uniq -c | sort -n | fgrep -v -w -f ~/WWW/pro/argus/argus/sources/stopwords_long.txt 09:20 < kanzure> labels? 09:20 < pasky> kanzure: http://pasky.or.cz/cp/junk/dnaprojects.txt might be useful to create a tagcloud or whatever, take concepts with >=3 occurences 09:20 < pasky> labels of the links 09:22 < fenn> this is basically what i suggested for sorting/navigating the bitcoin bookmarks; i think it's the same problem 09:22 < kanzure> not sure what i am supposed to do with this list of words 09:23 < fenn> click on 'ecoli' and it shows all projects using ecoli 09:23 < kanzure> what is a tag cloud supposed to tell me? 09:23 < kanzure> okay but that's a total complete lie 09:23 < kanzure> just because it wasn't labeled with ecoli doesn't mean it didn't use ecoli 09:23 < fenn> it's good enough 09:23 < kanzure> for what? 09:24 < fenn> your butt also uses ecoli but it doesn't need to be in the list 09:24 < kanzure> why not? butt fragrance or something maybe 09:24 < fenn> if the labeling is inaccurate/incomplete then that's a different problem 09:24 < pasky> kanzure: if you didn't mention ecoli in the label, ecoli probably isn't the important part, that's my working assumption here :) 09:24 < kanzure> "shock level" sorting might be a useful way to organize that info, except the shock levels from sl4 always sucked 09:25 < kanzure> "anything above shock level 7 is a threat that is impossible to account for in any conceivable threat model" er, thanks 09:25 < pasky> it'd be also probably pretty trivial to re-crawl the links and look for occurence counts of these keywords 09:25 < fenn> tegmark 4 objects blah blah 09:25 < kanzure> are they really called tegmark4 objects 09:26 * kanzure looks at http://sl4.org/shocklevels.html 09:26 < fenn> i don't know man i just live here 09:27 < kanzure> so again, what is the point of the tag cloud from a usability perspective? 09:27 < kanzure> what problems is it theoretically solving 09:27 < kanzure> also i am interested in practical examples of extremely useful tag clouds 09:27 < fenn> connecting users to information they might find more interesting than the rest of the documents in the pile 09:28 < fenn> providing a summary of what types of things are in the pile 09:28 < kanzure> i don't think that sort of summary is apparent from the list of words that pasky posted 09:28 < fenn> you've already gone over the pile so the tag cloud is useless for you; you already know what's in the pile 09:28 < kanzure> that list has nothing about symbiotes, wound healing, protein design, biodefense, timing, 3d printing, etc. 09:29 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29 < kanzure> well i guess it does, but they are the unweighted tags 09:30 < fenn> it does have "symbiosis" "wounds" "protein" "printing" 09:30 < kanzure> maybe this deserves a more academic approach; what does shannon say about signal-to-noise 09:30 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:30 < pasky> it's entirely possible it's as useless as what's currently on the site :) 09:30 < pasky> where i wouldn't learn about symbiotes, wound healing, protein design, biodefense, timing, 3d printing, etc. either 09:30 < pasky> because it's just 10 links out of the 500 09:30 < kanzure> those don't stick out to you as surprising or interesting? 09:30 < fenn> yeah i don't see why these tags are special 09:31 < kanzure> because most people don't think "oh it's obvious that this has applications to wound healing" 09:31 < maaku> kanzure: I find it unlikely that FOL would fund a dna extraction project, although I'd happy to be wrong. 09:31 < kanzure> FOL? 09:31 < maaku> future of life 09:31 < fenn> elon musk money 09:31 < kanzure> for gravedigging? 09:31 < pasky> kanzure: when you mention it, it sticks out as very interesting, but i would never find it in the list of links 09:32 < maaku> I did successfully get someone to submit a practical, near-term AGI project to FOL and get it funded, so they are paying for useful stuff 09:32 < maaku> unlike, *ahem*, certain other AI-risk organizations 09:32 < kanzure> not sure why bringing up graverobbing for dna extraction here? 09:32 < kanzure> i mean yes fun project 09:32 < pasky> I'm not sure if it's easy to automate finding the *interesting* stuff; at least it's easy to group the projects along other criteria, like if they are about bacterias or humans 09:33 < fenn> if you think a particular bookmark is interesting you should tag it as such 09:34 < pasky> e.g. make 4 in each year bold 09:35 < kanzure> one lame way to do it is to focus on igem biobrick part classification and categories :-( 09:35 < maaku> kanzure: here's the one I helped apply -- http://futureoflife.org/AI/2015awardees#Sotala 09:35 < kanzure> ah you know sotala 09:35 < kanzure> kaj i mean 09:35 < maaku> only $20k grant, but that'll be a good start 09:35 < maaku> yeah 09:36 < kanzure> i think elon could be convinced to fund some mars colonization synthetic biology / genetic engineering stuff (which, coincidentally, shows up on that igem project summaries page) 09:39 < kanzure> fenn: another way to frame the page is "Hello adventurer, you have received a magical dna synthesis machine. Here are some things that you should consider a priority: " and then list out some surprising non-obvious stuff i guess. 09:41 < kanzure> i have seen not many tag clouds from #swhack as i would have expected; it's a little weird. i used to think of nsh/sbp as kings of tag clouds. i was expecting to get indoctrinated. 09:42 < fenn> i haven't osmosed super-rationality either 09:43 < kanzure> from where? 09:43 < kanzure> oh right 09:43 < kanzure> well are they trying? 09:43 < fenn> no 09:44 < fenn> i am a non-player character according to the intern 09:44 < fenn> just a markov chain that spews random technobabble 09:45 < kanzure> "your diagnosis is completely unhelpful" 09:46 < fenn> it's very easy to make cognitive dissonance go away if you pretend the other side doesn't exist 09:46 < fenn> i'm not sure if this is a joke or not 09:47 < kanzure> lately i have liked using words about thread models when people bring up magic super ai silver bullets destroying all of the known galaxy 09:47 < kanzure> ... threat models. 09:47 < kanzure> ("yes well that's outside the scope of the threat model") 09:47 < fenn> dump some words into my markov matrix 09:47 < kanzure> ("or of useful threat models" i guess) 09:47 < kanzure> no that's all i have at the moment 09:47 < fenn> pff 09:48 < fenn> some anti-anti-ai ai programmer you are 09:48 < kanzure> most of my time is spent filing fart compliance reports for the cftc, you see 09:49 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49 < kanzure> from an engineering perspective, eliminating single points of failure gets us some pretty big wins against lots of both internal and external threat or failure modes 09:49 < kanzure> but worrying about "unstoppable" silver bullets that theoretically trump any threat model, does not really help anyone 09:50 < fenn> you haven't even heard all of the "sin swallower" arguments 09:51 < kanzure> part of the problem may be that they just simply aren't engineers 09:52 < kanzure> (although this is a bit of a cop-out) 09:52 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:52 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:52 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 09:57 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 < kanzure> "Improving tag-clouds as visual information retrieval interfaces" http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.85.9998&rep=rep1&type=pdf 10:02 < kanzure> "Keyword clouds: having very little effect on sensemaking in web search engines" (2012) 10:03 < kanzure> see page 33 http://www.cs.swan.ac.uk/~csmathew/content/dissertation.pdf 10:04 < maaku> kanzure: ok you put it that way -- "future of the biosphere" / "engineering martian life" -- I could see it getting funded 10:04 < maaku> keeping in mind though that musk isn't personally reviewing these.. 10:05 < maaku> " i am a non-player character according to the intern" <-- coming from the intern? wow that's harsh! 10:05 < kanzure> have you two met yet? you should meet 10:05 -!- cpopell5 [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 < maaku> we met once at the elements alpha release 10:06 < kanzure> getting $20k from elon is totally worthless to me (i could just pay one of you guys that myself) 10:06 < maaku> i don't get up to oakland often enough 10:06 < maaku> speaking of which did that chemistry guy ever show up? 10:06 < kanzure> no :-( 10:11 < maaku> is it too presumptious if I send him the reddit link and point out 'hey, there might be money here...'? 10:12 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13 < kanzure> s/might/is 10:13 < kanzure> that's fine 10:13 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:14 < maaku> I'm also trying to figure out a low-maintenance automated quassel setup 10:15 < maaku> I have a vps running quasselcore that anyone is allowed to use, just need to setup an automated, low friciton way of making accounts 10:15 < maaku> for the irc newbs that show up without bouncers 10:16 < btcdrak> and hope those n00bs dont get the IP banned on the IRC network... 10:17 < kanzure> maaku: well i can give you an account on diyhpl.us with ssh and stuff, just run tmux and irssi 10:17 < maaku> btcdrak: yeah the proper way to do this is using my vps' /64 ipv6 block, but that will probably require hacking up quassel... 10:18 < kanzure> for diyhpl.us you can create new accounts by ssh newuser@diyhpl.us i think 10:18 < kanzure> oh you have something already 10:18 < kanzure> oh, for irc newbs. hm. 10:18 < maaku> i do but that's a cooler setup ;) 10:18 < kanzure> well, irccloud maybe 10:19 < kanzure> "ssh newuser@" is probably not low friction for the types of people that don't have bouncers, heh 10:19 < kanzure> although to be fair i don't have a bouncer either 10:20 < maaku> kanzure: ? you're here 24/7. you don't do the same thing? 10:20 -!- lastfuture [~Peter@HSI-KBW-46-223-1-87.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:20 < kanzure> just tmux + irssi for me 10:20 < kanzure> no bouncer 10:29 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 < justanotheruser> what is your uptime 10:35 < fenn> 17 days ha 10:35 < kanzure> had to abandon previous server because of qualcomm attack 10:43 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:46 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:49 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@111-226-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:51 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:55 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:00 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 -!- Daeken [~daeken@demoseen.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 < crescendo> http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/ 12:08 < crescendo> tmux + irssi for me too, btw :) 12:08 < crescendo> (+password protected screen) 12:10 < kanzure> i want fiber tractography of underdeveloped human brains 12:12 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-matgndesgbrbhdea] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:15 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:17 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 < kanzure> there is a talk at utexas.edu on monday called "Artificial Selection on Microbiomes to Improve Animal and Plant Health" (ulrich mueller) 12:57 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:05 < kanzure> "As Chief Venture Strategist in the Office of Security Operations at TSA from 2002 to 2013, Gobel proposed, designed, and operated the Department of Homeland Security's first venture capital arm. He was responsible for multiple investments in cutting-edge security capabilities, including the VOXER iPhone app [10] [4] and the world’s first hand-held mass spectrometer (aka 'Tricorder')[11]." 14:05 < kanzure> this is the dude that runs the methuselah foundation? (david gobel) 14:06 < Betawolf> the thing I learnt there is that the DHS has a venture capital arm 14:07 < kanzure> and that it's operated by aubrey de grey 14:09 < Betawolf> the app mentioned seems hard to google, unless it's the voice-chat app that advertises itself with no reference to security 14:09 < fenn> usually it's SBIR 14:10 < Betawolf> oh, it is that 14:11 < Betawolf> 'Military-grade security and encryption' <- so, uh, backdoored? 14:12 < kanzure> who wants military-grade encryption anyway? i want nsa-grade encryption. 14:14 < kanzure> wait, no i don't 14:38 -!- cpopell5 is now known as cpopell`gym 14:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-176-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:44 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-176-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 14:55 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:59 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:e530:8d5a:d28a:370c] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@93-199-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpmqenjypcapvkys] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:15 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@151-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@93-199-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:20 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@151-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:23 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@13-26-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:26 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: reboot] 16:15 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@13-26-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hcpyiahkojwfonym] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:46 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gkttqjviueoudtvq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:47 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hcpyiahkojwfonym] has quit [] 16:50 < kanzure> alcor conference october 9-11 http://www.alcor.org/AboutAlcor/conference.html 16:50 < kanzure> in scottsdale? ugh 16:52 < kanzure> "In 2009, he and his colleagues at 21CM published the first paper showing that a rabbit kidney can survive long-term after vitrification and transplantation and provide life support function, but with some ice damage. In 2013, he described how ice damage seen in the 2009 method can be eliminated without paying a toxicity penalty, and in 2015, he and colleague Brian Wowk discovered how to further reduce injury to mild levels." 16:53 < kanzure> so there seems to be lots of existing survivability even without my techniques 16:54 < kanzure> "At Critical Care Research he is presently engaged in the development of resuscitation technology by delivery of lipid-soluble drugs to the resuscitated brain, and also in experimental hypothermia induction for cerebral protection using post-resuscitation hypothermic perfluorocarbon lung lavage (dog model)" 16:56 < kanzure> let's see what aschwin de wolf is up to... http://www.advancedneuralbio.com/pubs/Advanced%20Neural%20Biosciences.pdf 16:58 < kanzure> ah they have been working with 3scan. i guess that's not surprising. 16:58 < kanzure> didn't know they are in portland 16:58 < kanzure> one of you portland nutjobs should go say hi to them 17:01 < kanzure> http://www.advancedneuralbio.com/pubs/Human%20Cryopreservation%20Research%20at%20Advanced%20Neural%20Biosciences.pdf 17:04 < maaku> kanzure: Reid Hoffmann wanted me or someone I know to give a talk on bitcoin at the alcor conference 17:04 < maaku> I failed to find anyone able to go, but if you know anyone... (or if you want to go yourself) 17:05 < kanzure> maaku: yeah i'll go if they have me give that talk 17:05 < kanzure> sorta hurt you didn't think of me :-) 17:06 < kanzure> i'll survive 17:06 < maaku> kanzure: for sure? because if there is room this could totally happen 17:06 < maaku> this was, uh, before I was in ##hplusroadmap. sorry i didn't remember until now 17:06 < kanzure> yep let's do it 17:10 < kanzure> oh didn't he give blockstream some money 17:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- lastfuture [~Peter@HSI-KBW-46-223-1-87.hsi.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Bye bye baby] 17:36 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:42 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: delinquentme] 17:44 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:47 < kanzure> maaku: lmk? i'd need to buy airfare soon. 17:48 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Client Quit] 17:50 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 < delinquentme> kanzure: where u going? 17:55 < kanzure> alcor (maybe) 17:55 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Client Quit] 17:57 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xauymqrgaajyunib] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 < delinquentme> bruh you’ve still got plenty of years 18:00 < delinquentme> live for a bit longer we 18:00 < delinquentme> you dont need to go into cryo next week 18:02 < kanzure> actually it's next week 18:02 < kanzure> http://www.alcor.org/AboutAlcor/conference.html 18:05 < kanzure> delinquentme: metal band with insect frontman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64KMqZ8LI0E 18:05 < kanzure> er, cricket 18:06 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: delinquentme] 18:07 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:08 < delinquentme> ohhh alcor conf 18:08 < delinquentme> got it 18:12 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:17 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25 < kanzure> memory safety in c++14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEx5DNLWGgA 18:39 < kanzure> "hardware-accelerated graphics on microkernels" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpbUMMguGEA 18:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:49 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-166-23-90.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-80-123-248.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 < maaku> kanzure: I'm messaging him now 18:50 < maaku> btw Rudi Hoffman, not Reid Hoffman. whoops 18:51 < maaku> the insurance agent that most alcor people use, not the multi-billionaire founder of linkedin :P 19:19 < maaku> kanzure: I sent him an email with details and a text message to his cell. I imagine there might be a 24 hr turnaround on making a decision, as he probably doesn't make that call himself without consulting the rest of the comittee 19:19 < maaku> i'll get back to you as soon as he does 19:21 -!- poohbear is now known as wombear 19:39 -!- ghtdak [~ghtdak@unaffiliated/ghtdak] has left ##hplusroadmap ["WeeChat 1.4-dev"] 19:41 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xauymqrgaajyunib] has quit [] 19:57 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 < kanzure> okay well i have brownie points with max more that i can cash in i guess 20:00 < kanzure> figured a reid hoffman endorsement wouldn't be bad though :-) 20:04 < maaku> kanzure: sounds like a negative 20:04 < maaku> unless you end-run hoffman (worth trying) 20:05 < maaku> PM me your email 20:05 < maaku> wait n/m I must have it from your posts to bitcoin-dev 20:06 < kanzure> whoops just sent to max more 20:06 < maaku> no that's probably fine 20:07 < maaku> sent you hoffman's email 20:07 < maaku> sounds like he just doesn't think he has sway with the conference organizer 20:07 < maaku> max moore might 20:09 < kanzure> oh brother the transhumanist president campaign person? why bother 20:18 < kanzure> presidential campaign is just a boring shock thing 20:20 -!- maaku [~quassel@botbot.xen.prgmr.com] has left ##hplusroadmap ["http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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