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He says it needs to be done but isn't happening now and won't without "a lot of pushing" 01:27 < FourFire> supposedly a Randall Koene, of carboncopies.org is "roping together people" to push for this being done. 01:27 < FourFire> kanzure, ^ 01:28 < FourFire> I also invited him to this channel, and he recognised your name. 01:29 < FourFire> no time for silly questions about RPGs, unfortunately, lots of people wanted to talk to him after his talk 01:35 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:36 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:37 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:45 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-174-129-166-170.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-91-217-123.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 < poppingtonic> FourFire: awesome, was the talk recorded? 01:54 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54 < FourFire> it was 01:55 < FourFire> let me see if I can find you a link 01:55 < poppingtonic> thanks 01:57 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 < FourFire> hmm doesn't look like it's uploaded yet, perhaps it will become available here later: https://www.conferize.com/conferences/cutting-edge-2015/schedule/into-the-different-future 01:59 < FourFire> I'm at work now, but perhaps I can talk to the video people a bit later today. 02:04 < poppingtonic> cool, thank you! 02:04 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:07 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:15 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:17 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:25 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:35 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:47 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbkvcisbrhiehjsq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:48 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:48 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Changing host] 02:48 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:57 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:08 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:18 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:19 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:28 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:29 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:38 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:39 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:41 < fenn> http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-most-interesting-star-in-our-galaxy/410023/ 03:42 < fenn> .title http://arxiv.org/abs/1509.03622v1 03:42 < yoleaux> [1509.03622v1] Planet Hunters X. KIC 8462852 - Where's the Flux? 03:46 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:48 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:48 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-caqghtmogpawoyku] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:49 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:59 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- flouric [~yaaic@221-72-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 < flouric> I talked with the video guy and the talks wont be uploaded before next week 04:17 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:17 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 04:23 -!- synthmeat 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kanzure> oops fenn found that star first 07:05 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qatzagpqymwtjkfa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-nyngmdanheetwxxg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- Aurelius2 [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:40 -!- Aurelius [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:47 < JayDugger> FourFire, thank you. 07:52 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:a0e7:2428:62cf:ab27] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- pamd [~Paul@rrcs-71-41-136-211.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-nyngmdanheetwxxg] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:04 < kanzure> user interface thing for yanking text from stdin into clipboard https://github.com/mptre/yank 08:08 -!- Aurelius2 [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 < chris_99> neat, it's cool how it lets you select the text 08:09 < poppingtonic> "CLI" radio: cmd.to/fm 08:10 < poppingtonic> yank is slightly less cumbersome than "xclip -sel clip" 08:10 -!- Aurelius [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:a0e7:2428:62cf:ab27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29 < JayDugger> and slightly more flexible than a shell alias to the same? 08:40 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:48 -!- fluoric [~yaaic@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 < eudoxia> kanzure: 3AU-16AU range and low IR, not really what a dyson swarm would look like 08:50 -!- flouric [~yaaic@188-212-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:53 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57 -!- fluoric [~yaaic@185.7.192.138] 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https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/3ocsbi/ama_my_name_is_liz_parrish_ceo_of_bioviva_the/ 10:53 < superkuh> She had "gene therapy" for "Human Telomerase reverse transcriptase and Follistatin". 10:54 -!- fluoric [~yaaic@176.75.217.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.75.217.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- flouric [~yaaic@58-179-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:58 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:58 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 11:01 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.75.217.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:07 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:08 < kanzure> more bitcoin-NG http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.02037v1.pdf 11:08 < kanzure> whoops, ignore 11:08 < kanzure> (it's junk) 11:08 < kanzure> (and wrong channel) 11:14 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.75.217.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:14 -!- fluoric [~yaaic@176.75.217.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:16 -!- flouric [~yaaic@86-203-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=45bd5fb6 Bryan Bishop: include links to bitcoin-ng criticism >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/blockchain-testbed/ 11:33 < Houshalter> http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-12-deep-reveals-unexpected-genetic-roots.html 11:35 < FourFire> kanzure, get my message earlier today? 11:36 < FourFire> I also got to speak a bit with Hiroshi Ishiguro in private. 11:36 < FourFire> the lifelike robots guy 11:37 < FourFire> He's a transhumanist in the very real sense of the word: really genuinely wants to replace humanity with something else 11:37 < kanzure> yes got the message earlier, thanks (and jaydugger says thanks as well) 11:38 < kanzure> humanity should be replaced with robohumanity, with lots of beeps and boops 11:38 < FourFire> argh, I should lifelog, and get myself a steady source of income so that I can just attend seminars and conferences like this one, get direct questions with the interesting people and then disseminate it to everyone else who is interested 11:39 < kanzure> conferences often aren't as useful as you would think 11:39 < FourFire> but then I want to brute force synthetic biology so I have to do that instead. 11:39 < kanzure> once you meet some people at a conference, you find that they are the same people at all of the other conferences too, just in different cities 11:39 < kanzure> one of the rules i eventually made for myself was that i would only go to conferences where i was speaking. this helped a lot. 11:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-88-6.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 < kanzure> (and also, makes more sense than not attending conferences where i'm speaking. that's usually bad for reputation.) 11:41 < kanzure> go to a few carefully-picked conferences, ideally ones where you know at least one or two other people going, but once you've done this at most ~3 times, i think you'll agree with me that the utility is not too high 11:41 < kanzure> on the other hand, you can use this evidence to claim i have been to too many conferences and that i'm being hypocritical http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/ 11:43 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@176.75.217.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.75.217.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44 < maaku> there's a huge failure mode of smart (and wealthy) people spending their time and money going from conference to conference talking about the future and not actually DOING anything about it 11:44 < kanzure> i got disillusioned of the transhumanism conferences pretty fast 11:45 < kanzure> same exact set of people every time, plus or mnus 11:45 < kanzure> *minus 11:45 < maaku> the Feel Good Futurist Forum. Different city, different name, same damn thing. 11:46 < kanzure> didn't make me feel good either. usually has to be a good reason for me to hang out with a bunch of people anyway. 11:46 < kanzure> at one point i was subjected to a ray kurzweil talk, people were nodding their heads and agreeing with totally bogus stuff. it was very very weird. 11:46 < maaku> it's a failure mode for the space community too (see e.g. NewSpace, ISDC) 11:46 -!- QuadIngi is now known as FourFire 11:47 < kanzure> eric hunting has been ranting about space community failure modes for a very long time 11:47 < kanzure> i will show you his emails sometime 11:47 < kanzure> he has meticulously documented all of the fucked up reasons for that 11:48 < maaku> there's lessons to be learned there for nano, synthbio, and agi 11:49 < kanzure> eric hunting wanted the space community enthusiasts to transition to working on open-source robotics stuff for space automation 11:50 < kanzure> e.g. instead of people just getting excited about space colonization, why not work on possible software that could one day run on rovers? build little robots at home, or have community derbies for simulation of regolith extractors or whatever. 11:50 < kanzure> but this is of course something approximating "work" and it is hard to convince people to do work when their inertial momentum has been zero since forever. (and since it's not a, you know, paying job) 11:51 < FourFire> maaku, I dropped out, last line is :39:52 11:51 < FourFire> care to repaste 11:51 < kanzure> FourFire: http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-10-14.log 11:51 < FourFire> tx 11:53 < maaku> kanzure: like this? https://web.archive.org/web/20110924232655/http://regolith.csewi.org/ 11:53 < kanzure> probably 11:53 < kanzure> maybe less formal 11:55 < maaku> the newspace industry is also full of parasitic serial-failure "entrepreneurs", e.g. Bob Richards 11:55 < maaku> that's another worrysome failure mode 11:55 < maaku> too many burned bridges from investments gone sour 11:55 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:56 < kanzure> jgarzik wanted to try a financial contract approach, dunno 11:57 < FourFire> "11:46 < kanzure> at one point i was subjected to a ray kurzweil talk, people were nodding their heads and agreeing with totally bogus stuff. it was very very weird." that's exactly how the MarsOne talk felt like 11:58 < maaku> kanzure: I've got a scheme for self-funding a space program though the clever application of commodity trading, futures markets, and selling old lunar rovers for scrap 11:59 < maaku> it's how I got into bitcoin actually, although I'm now 99% convinced I'll not execute on it, so I should probably write it up 11:59 < kanzure> perhaps copenhagen suborbitals would be interested 11:59 < kanzure> or me 11:59 < maaku> (needed a non-jurisdictional ledger to get around outer space treaty constraints) 12:00 < nmz787_i> some sort of phased array maybe??? http://www.freescale.com/products/rf/rf-cooking/rf-sage:RF-SAGE-PG?tid=elq_cam1296_NL4015&elq_mid=4132&elq_cid=888590 12:00 < nmz787_i> .title 12:00 < yoleaux> RF Sage|RF Cooking|Freescale 12:03 < maaku> kanzure: actually this is something that could be executed on with either LedgerX or Blockstream's tech stack. I'll write up something short and 0bin it 12:03 < maaku> or see if I can find the old business plan I wrote years back 12:30 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 < nmz787_i> why did MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com just email me saying that some email from DIYbio googlegroup couldn't get through??? I emailed diybio@googlegroups.com.... not anyone at yahoo... 12:31 < kanzure> email routing reasons? 12:33 < maaku> do you have a yahoo email? 12:33 < nmz787_i> shouldn't that have gone to some google-groups devops? 12:33 < nmz787_i> no 12:33 < nmz787_i> I replied to the googlegroups email from within gmail 12:34 < nmz787_i> to:diybio 12:52 < kanzure> email routing is not direct, iirc 12:53 < kanzure> wait, nevermind. i can't find any evidence of this. 12:59 < superkuh> nmz787, phase locking of multiple 250w sources and some sort of algorithm to more evenly distribute heating. It takes into account the cavity shape and location of each source to pick multiple smaller bandwidths within the available frequency range to put power into, http://erewhon.superkuh.com/library/Electromagnetics/NXP%20RF%20Solid%20State%20Cooking%20White%20Paper_%20Robin%20Wesson_%20NXP%202015.pdf 13:02 < superkuh> http://cache.freescale.com/files/rf_if/doc/support_info/MHT1002N_MHT1003N_MICROWAVE_TRN_SI.pdf is the source of the 250w figure. 13:08 < nmz787_i> so is this like back-EMF sensing, in a way? 13:09 < superkuh> Seems so. It says it's tech directly inherited from cell MIMO stuff. 13:09 < nmz787_i> the microwave checks if the signal/field is coupling, and if not it increases power? 13:09 < superkuh> ANd channel sensing. 13:09 < nmz787_i> or switches freqs? 13:09 < nmz787_i> hmm 13:09 < nmz787_i> pretty snazzy 13:41 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tpohmzfrutkdbycb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:44 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10388509 13:44 < yoleaux> 23andMe Wins a Second Life, Raises $115M | Hacker News 13:51 < FourFire> yay 13:55 < kanzure> kosuri would like to meet us 13:55 < kanzure> we should arrange for this to happen 13:55 < kanzure> his response to the inkjet dna synthesizer on hacker news- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10385212 13:58 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:00 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.75.217.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:06 < kanzure> fenn: since you have actually read that paper, would you like to join the inevitable phone call when that happens? 14:06 < kanzure> not sure if i can convince him to show up on irc 14:10 < nmz787_i> very cool 14:11 < kanzure> nmz787_i: have you read that paper? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/Large-scale%20de%20novo%20DNA%20synthesis:%20technologies%20and%20applications%20-%20Church%20-%202014.pdf 14:13 < nmz787_i> maybe/maybe-not... 5 pages will be easy to read tongith 14:14 < nmz787_i> or whatever the spelling of the thing after today is 14:14 < nmz787_i> tonight 14:14 < nmz787_i> tunafish 14:15 < nmz787_i> its a review though, so I may be familiar with the internals, we'll see 14:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:20 < kanzure> wasn't tuna already a fish? 14:21 < nmz787_i> watch out for infinite recursion with that one 14:24 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-88-6.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22 < kanzure> here's one argument against selective breeding towards a cryonics-adapted animal that i would maybe accept: namely, that the mutational load required to get a cryonics-adapted animal would be so extremely high that no amount of breeding back to more stable population members would be enough to offset the mutational damage necessary to support large amounts of cryonics-adaptation. but the argument against this is who cares, it's ... 15:22 < kanzure> ... cryonics-adapted, even if it has terrible bone diseases and only lives 20% of a normal lifespan. 15:23 < kanzure> an example of these diseases is pretty much all the genetic crap diseases that dogs die from 15:23 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:24 < kanzure> Jawmare: that review paper (linked above) is a good overview of recent trends in dna synthesis 15:24 < nmz787_i> but at that point, with a mutated dog/rabbit/whatever you'd know some ideas of what to do with synbio, from the diff 15:25 < nmz787_i> so it wouldn't be some situation you'd rely on for the complete way forward 15:26 < kanzure> you might not know as easily-- what happens if you have a genome with 100,000 mutations? :-) 15:26 < kanzure> could very easily be a very large big data problem (which is an okay problem to have, in the scheme of things) 15:26 < nmz787_i> hmm 15:26 < nmz787_i> well did the person only have an argument against, with no alternative? 15:27 < kanzure> nobody was arguing that to me, i was just proposing it for fenn or someone else who is still skeptical about reasonable expectations of selective breeding 15:28 < kanzure> i am still p. interested in that "angry rat" selective breeding project that i mentioned in here the other day; i'm glad that someone has been doing that for >20 years. (64 generations of rats) 15:28 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:29 < drethelin> how angry are these rats 15:29 < kanzure> 64 generations of selection for hatred of humans 15:30 < kanzure> http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/04/17/004234 15:30 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-10-11.log 15:31 < drethelin> how do they feel about rats? 15:32 < drethelin> also where can i buy some of these super tame rats 15:32 < kanzure> buy the super angry rats, they sound far more interesting 15:34 < drethelin> hmm 15:34 < drethelin> has anyone been doing this for intelligence? 15:34 < drethelin> what if you crossbred super-angry rats with super-smart ones 15:35 < kanzure> don't know anyone doing selective breeding for intelligence, except a weird texas family that i met in high school once 15:35 < kanzure> part of the problem with selecting for intelligence is there aren't that many good psychometric tests for intelligence in rats 15:36 < kanzure> i would actually suggest selecting for rat communication and language (starting with random chirping, then repeated chirping and less-rnadom noises, and then rat-rat maze coordination through chirping) as a proxy for intelligence 15:36 -!- Burn_ [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36 -!- Burn_ [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 < drethelin> that would be interesting 15:39 < drethelin> a good other step would be to look for human-audible chirping 15:39 < drethelin> would open up possibilities for human-rat interactions 15:39 < drethelin> I'm really curious as to what kind of IQ (on a human scale) you can get with really small brains 15:40 < drethelin> It's not entirely about size obviously but size seems to play a big role 15:40 < kanzure> well, i think you are already aware of hydrocephaly 15:40 < kanzure> if there was a really simple cheap quick method of detecting hydrocephaly, we could check everyone's head on the planet and then look at the people with the smallest brains (often a surprisingly low mass and volume) 15:42 < kanzure> also people with large brain tumors and other brain abnormalities 15:43 < kanzure> often a lot of the claims of hydrocephaly are accompanied with absolutely zero brain scans in the literature, or just one or two instead of a full mri/fmri model. 15:43 < kanzure> a really thin single-sheet of brain matter in someone's head should be cause for extreme investigation, gah 15:45 < kanzure> as for "what is the minimum amount of brain matter necessary to support cognitive ability x" one approach that i have suggested is selecting for ability to survive, at previous cognitive levels, after removal of large random chunks of brain matter. or perhaps not random, dunno which way i would prefer. anyway, the idea would be that you would be selecting for the origin of those cognitive abilities to be more physically isolated to a ... 15:45 < kanzure> ... certain region of the brain, which may make them easier to study. 15:49 < kanzure> this is one of the hydrocephaly cases that should have had lots and lots of mri data http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61127-1/abstract 15:51 < kanzure> more popularized- http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070716/full/news070716-15.html 15:52 < kanzure> here's someone with 10% brain volume http://mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/ep/sharon-parker-the-woman-with-the-mysterious-brain/ 15:55 < kanzure> i think that last one is the one that i saw gwern learning about once, http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=6116 16:00 < kanzure> "In the first link, the chap has an IQ of 75; in the second link ‘Sharon Parker’ actually has a normal brain volume, it’s just oddly distributed. It would’t be surprising if many of the older cases were similar to Sharon’s – brain mostly all there, but not where a 1980s scan would find it." 16:00 < kanzure> oh well 16:22 < kanzure> "The best-documented creations of new species in the laboratory were performed in the late 1980s. William R. Rice and George W. Salt bred Drosophila melanogaster fruit flies using a maze with three different choices of habitat such as light/dark and wet/dry. Each generation was placed into the maze, and the groups of flies that came out of two of the eight exits were set apart to breed with each other in their respective groups. After ... 16:23 < kanzure> ... thirty-five generations, the two groups and their offspring were isolated reproductively because of their strong habitat preferences: they mated only within the areas they preferred, and so did not mate with flies that preferred the other areas.[27] The history of such attempts is described by Rice and Elen E. Hostert (1993).[28][29]" 16:23 < kanzure> from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation 16:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27 < kanzure> "A common example of a population bottleneck is the Northern elephant seal. Due to excessive hunting throughout the 19th century, the population of the northern elephant seal was reduced to 30 individuals or less. They have made a full recovery, with the total number of individuals at around 100,000 and growing. The effects of the bottleneck are visible, however. The seals are more likely to have serious problems with disease or genetic ... 16:28 < kanzure> ... disorders, because there is almost no diversity in the population.[49]" 16:38 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:38 < drethelin> more likely than? 16:43 < ryankarason> we should go to breeding more racoons! they seem smart.. and they have hands!! 16:53 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qatzagpqymwtjkfa] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:59 -!- dreth [drethelin@24-241-226-112.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:59 < dreth> ryankarason actually there is some evidence that humans have been accidentally uplifting raccoons and foxes and whatnot 17:00 < dreth> city breeds of those animals are smarter than ones who still live in the forest 17:00 -!- drethelin [drethelin@24-241-226-112.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05 < ryankarason> it is sensible.. but we should be putting effort in to it 17:05 < ryankarason> there was a project in Russia for domesticating foxes.. but i think they are taking the wrong path about it all... 17:19 -!- Guest45397 is now known as abetusk 17:32 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:46 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:52 < nmz787_i> dreth: well that may be a simple side-effect of killing off the stupid ones? 17:58 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tpohmzfrutkdbycb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:21 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10387095 18:21 < yoleaux> The Rocket Man Who Wants To Beat the Billionaires | Hacker News 18:33 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:42 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:a0d4:3e73:aca7:be88] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:32 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:35 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhowbfmwefzahmer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:46 < fenn> some of masten's rocket plumbers used to hang out in ##engineering 19:47 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54 < fenn> a program to domesticate raccoons would be interesting 19:59 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:00 < fenn> or maybe it was masten himself.. htmm 20:00 < fenn> can't find my old irc logs 20:28 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:31 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:31 < dreth> nmz, it's probably both 20:32 < dreth> cities both reward understanding complexity (figuring out how to open doors and trash cans and stuff to find food) and exterminate dumber pests 21:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:08 < kanzure> hrm haven't writen that emal to kosuri yet 21:15 < kanzure> he might be a good person to ship the equipment to 21:17 < kanzure> maybe his lab will do the chemistry tweaking 22:05 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:a0d4:3e73:aca7:be88] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:05 -!- fleshtheworld- [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:a0d4:3e73:aca7:be88] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:08 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:28 -!- Filosofem [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:31 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:31 -!- Filosofem is now known as Jawmare 22:54 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46 -!- flouric [~yaaic@86-203-11.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 23:46 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:52 <@nmz787> kanzure: that review is honest 23:52 <@nmz787> not terribly in-depth, and seemed to focus mostly on assembly strategies 23:54 < fenn> i wonder if this is where marc fawzi got his "energy accounting" ideas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement --- Log closed Thu Oct 15 00:00:57 2015