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07:11 < nmz787_i> my photodetector circuit whined to life for about 3 seconds, the buzzer squealing away, as I saw some smoke lift up and the sound die off
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07:18 < kanzure> cat dreamlog.txt | wc -w
07:18 < kanzure> 4279
07:18 < kanzure> IT WORKS
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07:26 < nmz787_i> heh
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07:47 < kanzure> "a database backend monitors the database and emits an event whenever anythign g changes. but this doesn't seem to be enough hifhg fidelity pig parties. pig parties, really?"
07:47 < kanzure> "wel ther was this real-time donyx. by chosen by 5080 580 people. 580 people. that's all. ysursj o epmfrt jpe yjru str hpomh yp vp,[rmdsyr gpt yjsy om yjr hs,r"
07:47 < kanzure> "coke, disney brand" "it's just one of those code words" "initially i was confusedand afraid by your claims, then i found yourclaims wereabsolutely awesome."
07:48 < Aurelius_Work> kanzure : I am confused and afraid
07:48 < kanzure> sleep typing
07:48 < Aurelius_Work> wut
07:48 < kanzure> "there'sa lot of ways to feed in and given the unexpected unavoidable kastent technolgoy here. do you see anything? well its got to be somewhere."
07:48 < kanzure> Aurelius_Work: sleep typing :-)
07:48 < Aurelius_Work> you're sleeping with hands on a keyboard?
07:49 < kanzure> yeah i figured i would try that
07:49 < kanzure> wireless keyboard, mind you
07:49 < Aurelius_Work> interesting
07:49 < kanzure> "email from ned tharper about widespread mis propaganda... but maybe if they wanted correct news they should have encoded good skips into their level design."
07:49 < Aurelius_Work> I've been contemplating getting one of those 'use your computer from bed' keyboards
07:49 < nmz787_i> "(3)Short-circuits can cause excessive heating and destructive dissipation. Rth are typical values"
07:50 < kanzure> "nope nothing about a family here. triceracop and i hope to get out of this alive." "detective loden, what an unexpected surprise."
07:50 < nmz787_i> welp, maybe the TSSOP8 package op-amp is not as hardy as the DIP
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07:51 < kanzure> "zerocsh anonymous copy-paste. ugh." "see how that tube goes straight into the object" "yeah i see it" "that's what you're looking for" "nuclear popcorn testing site 1" "gentlemen please put on your really cool goggles"
07:51 < kanzure> "uhand no there is still timelock to take care of that in the city. yes exactly. Timelock isn't going anywhere, plus it's needed for lightning."
07:51 < kanzure> "lrigtnow we need her to keep doing what she's been doing. who else did you talk with? remember we don't want to communicate or contaminate the timeline. hm, well, i was training a basic group in medical procedures. excepty tou cant really prepare curriculum for random thug groups....."
07:51 < kanzure> "evikytuib  TGUBJ IY JBIQ GIQ RGUA RGEWS ua nicubf> rgubj FUb''AAAAAAAAA" "VWXYaw owiokw EW UNOEWAAWS VT RGW VUF RGUBFA, JSXX MUDI FC FSTIVAL ISN'Y YHS BSF" "ig syre gere us a dutubct kacj if aby if tgat ub tgus wgriyo"
07:52 < kanzure> "so you built a time machine out of a time machine?"
07:52 < kanzure> "no... what are you even talking about? time travel isn't possible."
07:52 < kanzure> "but sometimes you need random inspiration to get another problem figured out." "even though evena moron can do that, they still have some trouble figuring out which worl od or which ji joe action figures you are given, the chld is still going to be autistic."
07:52 < kanzure> "more thanonce no way, let me through. oh wow that's a great advantage to us..."
07:52 < kanzure> "catillac... no. meh. gjust givem eo ne of those giant 700 pound gorillas in your fields. they are used to have trees and other stuff that make your cows look like fucking reatrards."
07:53 < kanzure> "it just drops a bomb on japan, that's all. that button right there."
07:53 < kanzure> "dontknwo a shortcut for that llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllli can't just.. i can just go through the other rooms here." "the other way works. the one with the flider."
07:53 < kanzure> "didn't come here to watch a bunch of contigency plans failing re: no car, no food, no money."
07:54 < kanzure> "probably not a mechanical question. much software to sort through." "... lemonade ice water. fresh. ice cucumber service. ledger per 1 service.." "ligar is something else"
07:54 < kanzure> so i would consider that pretty successful
07:55 < Aurelius_Work> no magical hacking or biochemistry though :P
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07:57 < kanzure> give it time
07:57 < kanzure> there was a lot of "apt-get update"
07:57 < kanzure> followed by "sudo apt-get update" -_-
07:58 < Aurelius_Work> ahah
07:58 < Aurelius_Work> I'm just trying to get myself into a pattern of working on my studying/projects every night after all else is said and done
07:58 < kanzure> why not use morning instead?
07:58 < Aurelius_Work> 9-5
07:58 < kanzure> yeah, so 5 to 9 is your time
07:59 < kanzure> and 5 to midnight is for bullshit like bills
07:59 < Aurelius_Work> oh, I'm miserable in mornings and happy at night
07:59 < Aurelius_Work> I also can't get by on <6.5 hours of sleep
08:01 < nmz787_i> kanzure: I went to sleep just after 1, woke up once at 5:40, then for realz at 6:45... and felt better (I figured I'd be tired for going to bed so late, and needing to wake up early)... I wondered if it was due to being interrupted at 5:$0
08:01 < kanzure> i could wire up an android app to hplusroadmap and then do audio voice synthesis for replies
08:01 < kanzure> and randomly send some of the text
08:07 < kanzure> or just read google search results
08:08 < kanzure> nmz787_i: yeah you should try more of that. try waking up more towards half-way through instead, though.
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08:11 < poppingtonic> aah creating a dual-boot setup on an empty hard drive, starting with ubuntu is not easy.
08:12 < kanzure> use vm first, then transition to dual boot
08:12 < nmz787_i> I actually wasn't trying to wake up... I think I was just subcconsciously worried I wouldn't wake up and then miss this meeting
08:13 < nmz787_i> but yeah I will try to do it again
08:13 < nmz787_i> poppingtonic: install windows first
08:13 < nmz787_i> that way ubuntu will find the windows bootloader automatically
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08:16 < fenn> holyshit actual dream typing
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08:17 < kanzure> not sure if any of them were dreams though
08:17 < kanzure> i certainly don't remember dreams, except the one about some dude naming a parking garage after hplusroadmap while i was gone
08:17 < nmz787_i> heh
08:26 < fenn> dreams are made to be forgotten
08:26 < fenn> but that doesn't mean they didn't happen
08:26 < fenn> i fully support this line of research
08:27 < fenn> http://www.thrillingdetective.com/eyes/loden.html
08:27 < fenn> i wonder if it was the same
08:27 < kanzure> never seen that
08:28 < fenn> ah but did time-traveling you see it?
08:28 < kanzure> triceracop was because of kung fury
08:29 < fenn> is there some script that can descramble misaligned typing?
08:29 < kanzure> i asked in swhack and they didn't know of one (wtf?)
08:30 < kanzure> this is the sort of tool that i would expect to be installed on linux by default, but dunno the name
08:33 < fenn> takes forever to do it by eye but it's possible
08:34 < kanzure> "VT RGW" -> "BY THE"
08:34 < poppingtonic> what do you mean descramble?
08:34 < poppingtonic> *by
08:34 < kanzure> "BY THE BIG THINGS"
08:35 < fenn> "evolution THINK IT KNOW THIS THRED is moving?"
08:35 < kanzure> like "VWXYaw owiokw EW UNOEWAAWS VT RGW VUF RGUBFA, JSXX MUDI FC FSTIVAL ISN'Y YHS BSF"
08:35 < fenn> actually easier to just misalign your hands and re-type the scrambled text
08:35 < kanzure> wait what?
08:35 < kanzure> oh you mean apply opposite misalignment
08:35 < Aurelius_Work> Google used to have one
08:37 < kanzure> "becusw oeioke rw unorssed by toe bug trhbufs, kdcc mufi fc gdyibs; odm'y uhs ndg" are you sure fenn? i don't think so....
08:37 < fenn> becysw people re impressed by the big things...
08:40 < fenn> yeah i can't figure out the second half
08:44 < kanzure> would be easier to just put textured surfaces on keys for finger realignment
08:44 < kanzure> i think sleepbryan would figure that one out
08:45 < kuudes> becuse people re impressed by the big things, ... isn't yga bad
08:45 < kanzure> "isn't yga bad" "isn't that bad" probably...
08:45 < kuudes> yeah, it has drifted 1 to the right on right hand
08:50 < kanzure> surprised that vast majority is legible and not misalignment
08:50 < kanzure> well no i'm not. not much time spent using keyboard when misaligned, so no reason to expect me to do that.
08:51 < kanzure> "oh well son all i needi s just a couple of slaves is all. thanks for calling, caller. always glad to heara 12 year old wants some slaves of his own. weird shit, man."
08:51 < kanzure> (apparently i was a radio host)
08:52 < kanzure> "you probably can't tell because my mouth moves even less than the mouth of c3po." "no top of your game is fine, just be prepared to show it sometime" "it's great that he can do that instead of lying to himself like the lylax." "well if that's really what you want to be doing"
08:52 < tallakahath> kanzure: arent f and j on most keyboards graced with a tiny nub for this purpose?
08:52 < kanzure> not on my wireless keyboard, apparently
08:52 < kanzure> "ueyeaj th ey kind of baited you too, huh? well everyone was disappointed by that.-"
08:53 < kanzure> "o a, dpme dea;omg wotj a;; pf tjee axes" "ain't nobody got time for all of these axen"
08:53 < tallakahath> kanzure: you can fix this with a dab of superglue
08:53 < kanzure> true!
08:53 < kanzure> hm
08:54 < kanzure> "wekk tgb tiy aww gun qurg kujw `99 twEAI B GUN Bs tiy rgubj,,,"
08:54 < kanzure> "TGU SV EGS ARGW    YWARUIB, WGT WCWB VIRGWE QURG AINW ID RGUA"
08:54 < kanzure> "KIDY HRY OY S;;; PIY PG YJR DUDYR,"
08:54 < fenn> should disable caps lock next time
08:55 < kanzure> "oy trs;;u vsm" "y nr yjsy nsf" "ib tgegrabd sgene if tgubgs tgua us bit tge ruggt eikigucak tunekube"
08:56 < kanzure> "he likes bein g 500+design offcare and this was the lightning used in the car. whlp rou our rhwew" "DWQ Sa od 10 minurw poqwe PA.... ON RH DOUERH Ns dinl Sy,qaN'R XONNWXRINFUAWS EWIWQ E BLOXKCAOMWO D RHWM AHW Ha aowwiqqppppppppppppplno need i know eactly what there iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiienutjobs in nay case." (continues to the "most uninteresting options" one, pasted above)
09:00 < fenn> or really can t be that bad on thehrand shebe if thinks this is not the riggt eological timeline
09:00 < kanzure> "thehrand" -> "the other hand", most likely
09:10 < kanzure> i am not sure how to write a misalignment fixer. hm.
09:10 < kanzure> left/right hand can both be separately misaligned in different ways
09:10 < kanzure> script needs to generate different possibilities based on different misalignments
09:11 < kanzure> sometimes misalignments fix themselves half-way through, though
09:12 < fenn> afew ads of 20 minute power aps.... on eh fourth nad finl ady,wsan't connectingused reirw r blockvaomeo f them ahs sowwiqppppppppppplno
09:15 < fenn> reiew blockvsomeo f them
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09:19 < fenn> i would be worried about alt-tabbing or whatever and typing in the wrong window
09:19 < fenn> who knows what sort of commands might be emitted
09:19 < fenn> i guess you just don't use your main computer for this
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09:25 < fenn> "Is sleep typing dangerous? Yes . . . That's how I wound up married!"
09:25 < kanzure> right, i was actually trying to find an android keylogger that would work with the screen turned off, but found nothing
09:26 < kanzure> instead i had to use connectbot + ssh + vim, which was mostly resistant to most of my stray keypresses
09:26 < fenn> you could use emacs and then it wouldn't respond to vim commands
09:26 < kanzure> plus the keyboard can't transmit "escape" into vim, because "escape" is really "return to home screen".. but didn't seem to press that ever.
09:26 < fenn> oh
09:27 < kanzure> i'll just write a keylogger, no big deal. bleh.
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09:29 < kanzure> interesting to note that originally android had huge security hole where anything typed was actually sent directly into a shell
09:29 < kanzure> so this would have been an interesting way to stumble on that vulnerability
09:41 < nmz787_i> aww, I had a dream that this was wireless: https://www.crowdsupply.com/ugl/ultimate-hacking-keyboard
09:42 < nmz787_i> but I am not convinced now that I want it
09:42 < nmz787_i> I had imagined how comfortable it might have been to type from a lazy-boy armchair
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09:57 < fenn> "because people are impressed by big things, jazz music festival isn't this bad"
09:58 < kanzure> what no way
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10:12 < kanzure> welp, so it begins https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3qgpsc/censorship_at_bitcoindev/cwg22y6?context=1
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10:28 < kanzure> these sorts of accusations are impossible to reply to
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10:52 < maaku> another pre-historic, extinct mind that will unfortunately probably be thawed : http://siberiantimes.com/science/others/news/n0464-meet-this-extinct-cave-lion-at-least-10000-years-old/
10:59 < archels> well shoot, we need to keep it frozen until we can upload its brain
10:59 < archels> what's the point of thawing it, anyway? get your DNA from a sliver of skin cells if you must
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11:20 < kanzure> "In the Kingdom of Great Britain, witchcraft ceased to be an act punishable by law with the Witchcraft Act of 1735. In Germany, sorcery remained punishable by law into the late 18th century."
11:20 < kanzure> well that's one way to stop witch-hunts....
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11:42 < Aurelius_Work> http://www.amazon.com/Rii-I8-Wireless-Touchpad-Keyboard/dp/B00B9996LA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1446057375&sr=8-2&keywords=android+keyboard+mouse kanzure, ever used something like this on the go?
11:48 < kanzure> Aurelius_Work: i use this http://www.amazon.com/ZAGG-FOLZKFLEXSLV-Zagg-ZAGGkeys-FLEX/dp/B00695OFE2
11:48 < Aurelius_Work> sweet, adding to my  list
11:50 < kanzure> battery lasts me like 2-3 months on a single charge
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12:24 < Aurelius_Work> kanzure : ever poked at reversible computing?
12:24 < kanzure> nope
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13:31 < kanzure> beep
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13:35 < fenn> womp wompity womp http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/us/cancer-immortality-cryogenics.html?_r=0 http://www.technologyreview.com/view/541311/the-false-science-of-cryonics/
13:38 < kanzure> natasha vita-more was trying to organize a voting/commenting brigade for that second link -_-
13:40 < fenn> i guess i shouldn't be surprised that there are ignorant people but it's weird to see them writing articles in technology review saying things like "they deserve our anger and contempt"
13:41 < kanzure> politicization is everywhere. really strange cancer.
13:41 < kanzure> btcdrak: see? even happens here
13:41  * btcdrak is shocked
13:42 < kanzure> to be fair, technology review was never really good at technology reviews
13:42 < fenn> i like technology review :(
13:45 < maaku> Aurelius_Work: you working on reversible computing?
13:46 < fenn> "the amount of evil we can do is bounded" that sounds like a challenge!
13:46 < maaku> someone needs to be heading that up
13:46 < kanzure> fenn: "information wants to be free" even works against attempts at encryption and privacy
13:46 < kanzure> and security stuff
13:47 < fenn> er, uh, i thought that was a statement of thermodynamics, not a political stance
13:47 < kanzure> used in both ways
13:47 < kanzure> conflation is a serious disease of human discourse
13:47 < kanzure> it's terminal
13:47 < kanzure> here's a robot https://i.imgur.com/HsD19vt.jpg
13:48 < fenn> according to the new york times "scientists have successfully preserved the connectomes of mouse, rabbit, and pig brains"
13:48 < kanzure> more on "information wants to be free" grep http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-bitcoin-selection-cryptography/
13:48 < kanzure> "preserved"
13:48 < kanzure> plastination probably
13:48 < kanzure> ken hayworth stuff, i'm sure
13:48 < fenn> dunno what the hell they are talking about because human brains have been plastinated as well
13:49 < kanzure> i thought ken hayworth's whole point was that the plastination fidelity was insufficient or something
13:49 < kanzure> i have no idea what his point was
13:49 < kanzure> i should know his point
13:49 < fenn> his point is "electron microscopes!!!"
13:49 < kanzure> http://www.brainpreservation.org/overview/
13:50 < kanzure> http://www.brainpreservation.org/content-2/overcoming-objections/
13:50 < kanzure> geeze can't believe he bothered to write this page, wtf
13:51 < kanzure> this effort could have been better spent doing productive things like calibrating his electron microscopes
13:52 < kanzure> wait he probably doesn't have any of his own. because, you know, everything costs twenty arms and twenty legs.
13:53 < fenn> if we estimate the cost of a human arm and leg as a mass fraction of the EPA value per human life of $2.2 million ...
13:54 < maaku> someday I aspire to own 1 human life
13:54 < kanzure> yeah but you have to factor in for inflation
13:54 < kanzure> so things aren't just an arm and a leg, they now cost many legs
13:54 < fenn> arm is 6% and leg is 18% so i arrive at $11 million per electron microscope which doesn't sound too far off
13:56 < kanzure> with inflation i think the electron microscope will soon cost that much anyway
13:56 < kanzure> delinquentme claims to be assembling a few
13:56 < kanzure> and nmz787 got a broken busted one recently? or was that something else.
13:56 < fenn> well there is a huge range of quality and modern features n stuff
13:57 < kanzure> yeah you really have to splurge for that 512 MB RAM in that windows ME computer attached to the junk
13:57 < fenn> the one halcyon molecular was using was in the $20m range
13:57 < kanzure> oh i was really estimating $1M/machine
13:58 < kanzure> that sucks
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14:03 < fenn> "I want to make a little widget for the top of the page that says IS KIM ALIVE? And it’ll say ‘yes,’ unless I’m dead. Then it will say ‘nope, sorry. I hope this isn’t how you found out.’"
14:03 < fenn> do we have a microformat standard for this yet
14:04 < kanzure> much of death depends on state of mind
14:04 < kanzure> i might have to mark that when i'm sleeping
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14:09 < fenn> sleep is just a state of mind, man
14:13 < kanzure> you're just jealous
14:16 < archels> kanzure: sleeping in a keyboard-prone position seems very uncomfortable to me
14:18 < kanzure> lazy chair
14:20 < fenn> huh that's natasha and max in the pic with kim's body in an ice bath being loaded into the cryo van
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14:21 < fenn> i didn't realize they were still so hands-on
14:21 < fenn> like, literally, wearing gloves and schleppin bodies
14:24 < archels> fenn: url?
14:25 < fenn> archels: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/us/cancer-immortality-cryogenics.html?_r=0
14:26 < Aurelius_Work> x-post from Lesswrong-- Any of our Seattle folks have a link to Madrona capital or EnvelopVR?
14:26 < fenn> http://www.alcor.org/Library/pdfs/AlcorCaseReportA2643KimSuozzi.pdf
14:28 < fenn> "09:43 Cephalic isolation" "09:51 Cephalon fell out of holding ring" -_-
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15:51 < maaku> fenn: even well-funded Alcor is a shoestring operation
15:51 < maaku> with only ~1k members it's easy to see why
15:54 < kanzure> complex systems that don't work can rarely be made to work without starting from a simpler system that does work
15:54 < kanzure> </nsh>
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16:17 < nsh> recently someone said "designing from start with i18n adds about 20% to costs. retrofitting i18n adds about 100%"
16:17 < nsh> slightly flippant but illustrative of the general observation
16:18 < nsh> but there's a whole heap of caveats and nuance here
16:18 < nsh> to do with pleiotropy and harnessed serendipity and the tao of unplanned planning
16:19 < nsh> i have read good writings or at least one on this matter recently, but i can't remember enough to search for
16:20 < nsh> i think the very rough upshot was that biological systems appear to have evolved to be favourable towards finding out that you accidentally planned to retrofit it that way all along
16:20 < nsh> without intending to
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19:16 < kanzure> huh?
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20:02 < kanzure> there was also this part where three lobsters showed up and told me about this disney/nike sponsorship of an engineered ribosome and engineered polymerase
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20:34 < nmz787> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LM-series_integrated_circuits
20:34 < nmz787> I should have read that years ago
20:35 < nmz787> .wik list of lm series integrated circuits
20:35 < yoleaux> "The following is a list of LM-series integrated circuits. Many were among the first analog integrated circuits commercially produced; some were groundbreaking innovations, and many are still being used. The LM series originated with integrated circuits made by National Semiconductor." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LM-series_integrated_circuits
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21:25 < kanzure> rfc 279483 says all computer MUST be replaced by potato
21:25 < kanzure> no way to work around this
21:25 < kanzure> would solve lots of problems
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